Bad Mood in LC [Archive]

Raiders112390

01-29-2007, 10:39 PM

Unlike in the other movies, Indy seems to have quite a sour mood throughout most of Last Crusade. In RotLA and ToD, he seemed up for anything and took most of what happend in stride (excpet in the bar scene in Raiders) but he seems to have grown to be a much more bitter, cynical and gruff person in the space of the two years from '36 to '38, almost like he didn't want to be on the adventure.

Joe Brody

01-29-2007, 11:34 PM

[sigh] Are you talking about Harrison Ford or Indiana Jones?

René Belloq

01-30-2007, 12:41 AM

Indy’s tired of teaching and grading assignments. Also his father has just disappeared and had his house ransacked. So I suppose Indy would be in a bad mood.

ClintonHammond

01-30-2007, 11:13 AM

Who'd WANT to go through all that??? Chased by Nazis... dragging a dithering old fart all over the world... shot at, incinerated, drowned, nearly chopped into fish-bait....

He has every right to be cranky!

His life SUCKS!

Doc Savage

01-30-2007, 02:57 PM

His life SUCKS!And my family not being in the picture, I'd give my eye teeth for his experiences.

ClintonHammond

01-30-2007, 03:07 PM

Without the benefit of stunt men, blanks in the stage-guns, CGI flames and airplanes, boulders made out of Styrofoam and bad guys who are really just actors, no you wouldn't.

A real person who gets punched in the face HALF as often as Indy doesn't come out looking like Harrison Ford

He comes out looking more like

http://www.geocities.com/eoghainmacrua/shane_mcgowan.jpg

Movies are fine and dandy for entertainment, but let's not for a second confuse them with reality...

Doc Savage

01-30-2007, 03:11 PM

Without the benefit of stunt men, blanks in the stage-guns, CGI flames and airplanes, boulders made out of Styrofoam and bad guys who are really just actors, no you wouldn't.

A real person who gets punched in the face HALF as often as Indy doesn't come out looking like Harrison Ford

You forget, my cantankerous Canuck...I pro-wrestled for three years. I mean if THAT'S not reality at its finest...;)

I was referring primarily to the locales, the discoveries, the education...

ClintonHammond

01-30-2007, 03:29 PM

"I pro-wrestled for three years."

That wasn't too homo-erotic for you? Hmmm... Whattaya know... Didn't expect you would 'schwing' that way....

It is the 21st Century... It's your choice.

Speaking of discoveries.... of education...

Doc Savage

01-30-2007, 03:35 PM

"I pro-wrestled for three years."

That wasn't too homo-erotic for you? Hmmm... Whattaya know... Didn't expect you would 'schwing' that way....I even wore leather pants...

It is the 21st Century... It's your choice.
Speaking of discoveries.... of education...Not even on your birthday, CH...

ClintonHammond

01-30-2007, 03:48 PM

Sorry to disappoint ya DS... Oiled men, in leather pants or not, are not my 'cup of tea'

Actually, that won't disappoint you, will it... That leaves all the more for you!

Doc Savage

01-30-2007, 03:55 PM

Sorry to disappoint ya DS... Oiled men, in leather pants or not, are not my 'cup of tea'Glad to hear it...I thought you were hitting on me for a second. You musicians...

Nah, Mom watched USWA when I was a wee lad. She had a crush on Dutch Mantel. I got hooked and the rest was (really sad, local-yokel, townie-type) history. That being said, I felt Indy's pain in the "mileage" department. Grouchy would cover it...

ClintonHammond

01-30-2007, 04:01 PM

USWA?
United Steelworkers of America?

What does that have to do with anything here?

Doc Savage

01-30-2007, 04:04 PM

USWA?
United Steelworkers of America?
No, no...the Unshaven, Smarmy Whiteboys' Association.

indyt

01-30-2007, 04:53 PM

And my family not being in the picture, I'd give my eye teeth for his experiences.

Me either Doc! I'm right with you.

Raiders112390

01-30-2007, 07:59 PM

Ok, well Harrison then.
I just thought from his performance that it seemed like he was doing it simply for the sake of doing it. I don't know. It doesn't seem to be as inspired a performance as Raiders and TOD were.

René Belloq

01-30-2007, 11:48 PM

It doesn't seem to be as inspired a performance as Raiders and TOD were.

On the contrary, I think it’s Harrison’s finest performance as Indy. It’s also his personal favourite of the trilogy, so I don’t think he was doing it simply for the sake of doing it.

Moedred

01-31-2007, 03:36 AM

USWA? United Steelworkers of America?
What does that have to do with anything here?
Plenty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHa4Pn6quLQ).............

ClintonHammond

01-31-2007, 07:50 AM

I was hopeful that SOMEONE would get the reference!

Doc Savage

01-31-2007, 07:55 AM

I was hopeful that SOMEONE would get the reference!...if only I were capable of hate...;)

oki9Sedo

01-31-2007, 04:14 PM

I thought he was the same in Raiders and Last Crusade. He was more light-hearted in Temple of Doom than the other two. His banter with Willy and Shortie brings out a funny side to him that isn't present in them.

CMNeir

02-02-2007, 07:01 PM

He also didn't have a very good relashionship with his father growing up, so that presented itself in the movie as well, since it had been years since Indy had spoken to his father.

ClintonHammond

02-02-2007, 09:26 PM

"He was more light-hearted in Temple of Doom than the other two."

Only when the movie is shown in Bizarro world.

HovitosKing

02-02-2007, 09:29 PM

Indy missed his psychotherapy appointment for the week. What exactly is the point of this thread?

René Belloq

02-03-2007, 05:23 AM

He was more light-hearted in Temple of Doom than the other two.

That’s because Spielberg thought the story was too dark and overcompensated with absurdity.

oki9Sedo

02-03-2007, 02:30 PM

"He was more light-hearted in Temple of Doom than the other two."

Only when the movie is shown in Bizarro world.

In Temple of Doom, he's got this whole loveable, dodgy rogue thing going. His banter with Willie and Shorty, saying things like "anything can happen, its a long way to Delhi" or "thats why they call it a jungle, sweetheart", or (when Willie says he's going to get himself killed) "maybe, but not today!". Can you imagine the brooding, virtually humourless Indy of Raiders saying anything like that?

oki9Sedo

02-03-2007, 02:30 PM

ffffffffffff

ClintonHammond

02-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Raiders Indy is the guy who said "Donno... I'm making this up as I go."

and "Snakes... why did it have to be snakes..."

and "It's not the years hunny, it's the mileage."

So I don't think of Raiders Indy as very "brooding" or "virtually humourless" in the least.

"Spielberg thought the story was too dark and overcompensated with absurdity"
Example?

oki9Sedo

02-04-2007, 08:32 AM

Raiders Indy is the guy who said "Donno... I'm making this up as I go."

and "Snakes... why did it have to be snakes..."

and "It's not the years hunny, it's the mileage."

So I don't think of Raiders Indy as very "brooding" or "virtually humourless" in the least.

Yes, but he was in a bad mood when he said all of those things. Thats all very dry humour.

He's much more of a care-free soldier of fortune in Temple.

René Belloq

02-04-2007, 05:50 PM

He's much more of a care-free soldier of fortune in Temple.

I'm starting to agree with you. Especially when you consider his attitude here:

Willie Scott "You're gonna get killed chasing after your damn fortune and glory!

Indiana Jones "Maybe. But not today!"

oki9Sedo

02-05-2007, 01:43 PM

I'm starting to agree with you. Especially when you consider his attitude here:

Willie Scott "You're gonna get killed chasing after your damn fortune and glory!

Indiana Jones "Maybe. But not today!"

I'm really surprised I'm the only one who seems to think he's less mature in Temple, and more of a dodgy, loveable rogue (such a cliched phrase, but you know what I mean), especially since I'm among fans far more knowledgeable about Indy than myself.

You only have to watch the films to see the character difference staring you in the face. He doesn't saying anything like "Maybe, but not today!" or "Sweetheart, after all the fun we've had?" in either Raiders or Last Crusade. Any funny lines he says in those two films are said very dryly (eg. "I dunno, I'm making this up as I go", "Its not the years honey, its the mileage", "Snakes, why'd it have to be snakes?" in Raiders; "I said DON'T GO BETWEEN THEM!", "No ticket!" etc in Last Crusade).

Indy in Temple of Doom is the kind of guy his father would tell to grow up. He's very much a wiser, more serious, more mature man in the other two films. I think its a nice character arc.

Vlad Dracula

02-06-2007, 02:20 AM

I thought he seemed to have been enjoying himself in the role as well as working with Connery.

ClintonHammond

02-06-2007, 10:54 AM

"he seemed to have been enjoying himself"

He's an actor... It's his JOB to deceive.

oki9Sedo

02-06-2007, 06:50 PM

"he seemed to have been enjoying himself"

He's an actor... It's his JOB to deceive.

Are you saying he didn't enjoy making Indy 3? He must have, if he wants to do Indy 4 at an age when he needs Calista Flockhart to wipe his arse.

fedoraboy

02-07-2007, 11:38 AM

I'm really surprised I'm the only one who seems to think he's less mature in Temple, and more of a dodgy, loveable rogue

I think this was actually the reason why Temple is a prequel. I've heard Lucas say several times that Doom is supposed to show Indy as a more ruthless/shady character than in Raiders, and certainly than in Crusade,although he's bound to be on his best behaviour with his dad in tow.

I hadn't really noticed Indy's bad mood in Crusade, but I suppose again it could be the having his dad tagging olong thing - surely anyone would have their style cramped dragging pops around with them?

Matinee Idyll

02-08-2007, 12:02 AM

...if he wants to do Indy 4 at an age when he needs Calista Flockhart to wipe his arse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9tl63u8mk0 :D

Violet Indy

02-08-2007, 12:48 AM

fedoraboy

02-08-2007, 05:46 AM

Actually, I thought he was cranky coz Elsa slept with his Dad!!!!!

Yes that would put anyone in a bad mood, Nazi or no Nazi...

Viper

02-10-2007, 10:31 PM

Also, keep in mind that in Raiders Indy chose to go after the Ark, and in TOD, he sorta chose to as well.

But in LC his father was kidnapped and this whole Nazi conspiracy thing forces him to find the grail.

Also, he wasnted to make peace with his father.

Plus, in Raiders, he had Marion for company. In TOD he had Shorty and Willy (lol). In LC he had a blabbering father.

oki9Sedo

02-11-2007, 02:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9tl63u8mk0 :D

LOL! Thanks Matinee Idyll! I love the look On Harrison's face when he's thinking about dropping the F-bomb, and the guy's like "Go on Harrison drop it!", and he says "No!", but you can tell he really wants to.

JK_Antwon

02-12-2007, 04:50 AM

I have to agree with oki9Sedo, he is more lighthearted then. The Young Indiana Jones show can be used to agree with this. In Indy's youth he is very carefree, and thinks nothing can stop him, but later on in life he matures, and thats never a good thing. lol:hat:

Sankara

04-20-2007, 03:58 AM

@ClintonHammond

His life sucks??? Sorry, but your imagination of Indiana Jones is totally wrong!
Indy loves his life - otherwise he would change it! We are talking about INDIANA JONES, man!

Ancary

04-21-2007, 04:32 PM

Its true Indiana is different in the three movies, but i wouldnt say he´s in bad mood here. He faces here not just the adventures he´s used too, its the Grial which happens to be his father´s love and obsession. It reminds him all the problems he had with his father when he was a teenager and are still unresolved, the absence of his mother and how it affected the family..i think he´s dealing with a lot of things in this movie.

The Whip

04-26-2007, 07:04 PM

scifiwolf

04-28-2007, 12:49 PM

Raiders Indy is the guy who said "Donno... I'm making this up as I go."

and "Snakes... why did it have to be snakes..."

and "It's not the years hunny, it's the mileage."
Weren't at least two of those lines adlibs by Harrison that made it into the film? ;)

berelain19

05-04-2007, 02:09 PM

I have never really noticed the bad mood. I don't even think it is a bad mood he's in...Maybe you mean the fact he'll always be in his father's shadow.But if he's cranky about that he shouldn't have chosen the same profession as his father...

I think he's really funny;like when he sneezes on that servant in castle brunwald.
Or when he snogs Elsa in Donovan's apartment in Venice.
He's having great fun when he's on that motorcycle with Henry,blasting all those nazi's in the air!