View Full Version : In the ship fight scene in LC....
oki9Sedo
06-21-2007, 05:58 AM
...why does Indy jump off the ship?
...because there's a LOT of TNT about to go 'boom'?
oki9Sedo
06-21-2007, 09:45 AM
...because there's a LOT of TNT about to go 'boom'?
I thought thats the answer I'd get.....the barrells only come loose AFTER he's jumped off.
Aaron H
06-21-2007, 12:16 PM
He needed to escape from the henchmen, and the only way to do that was to jump into the water. It seems to me that Indy was already trying to escape when he got caught, which is why the life raft is already in the water.
He needed to escape from the henchmen, and the only way to do that was to jump into the water. It seems to me that Indy was already trying to escape when he got caught, which is why the life raft is already in the water. Yeah, it wasn't exactly a passenger liner, but a private cargo ship full of goons. I don't think that just flashing the cross and telling them "Hi, I'm the stowaway who just stole this thingy from your boss... err... wouldn't you mind dropping me off at the next port?" would have worked.
IndySeven
06-26-2007, 07:28 PM
Because he got the Cross of Coronado and the ship was about to blow up, so he decided that it was time to go.:)
oki9Sedo
06-27-2007, 06:02 AM
Nobody seems to have read my second post. He jumps off into the water, THEN the explosives come loose and blew up the ship, and THEN, low and behold, a life raft happens to float from the wreckage towards him.
René Belloq
06-27-2007, 06:10 AM
yeah how convenient...i always thought that bit was crap :down:
Aaron H
06-27-2007, 02:40 PM
Nobody seems to have read my second post. He jumps off into the water, THEN the explosives come loose and blew up the ship, and THEN, low and behold, a life raft happens to float from the wreckage towards him.
And I think you failed to read my post. The reason the raft was in the water is because Indy put it there. Here is the scene:
Indy has just stolen the Cross, again, from Panama Hat. As he is trying to sneak away over the side of the ship into the life raft he just launched, the goons show up and get their Boss. But before he comes the goons decide to "soften" Indy up a bit...enter the rest of the scene.
Make sense?
oki9Sedo
06-27-2007, 03:06 PM
And I think you failed to read my post. The reason the raft was in the water is because Indy put it there. Here is the scene:
Indy has just stolen the Cross, again, from Panama Hat. As he is trying to sneak away over the side of the ship into the life raft he just launched, the goons show up and get their Boss. But before he comes the goons decide to "soften" Indy up a bit...enter the rest of the scene.
Make sense?
Wouldn't the life raft have floated far away by the time Indy actually manages to jump off the side of the boat?
Aaron H
06-27-2007, 03:30 PM
Wouldn't the life raft have floated far away by the time Indy actually manages to jump off the side of the boat?
It was fairly far away by the time Indy manages to swim to it. It had to been, otherwise Indy would be burned to a crisp by the explosion.
Those are good reasons. All of those, and um...it's Indiana Jones!
otto rahn
11-03-2007, 05:04 AM
Those are good reasons. All of those, and um...it's Indiana Jones! Or perhaps more specifically it's PULP ! That sort of "happy coincidence" happens all the time in the serials and films that the series is pastiching !
Professor Jones
11-03-2007, 08:34 AM
It's really incredible you're discussing about such insignificant thing. nonsense, really nonsense.
oki9Sedo
11-03-2007, 02:13 PM
It's really incredible you're discussing about such insignificant thing. nonsense, really nonsense.
[image cut] Not appropo for the Raven.
herr gruber
11-03-2007, 02:16 PM
Which part of Crusade is the above picture from?
indyfan85
11-03-2007, 02:27 PM
What I never got was this bit of dialogue
"It belongs in a museum"
"so do yoooou!"
Why does he say that, if it has something to do with age, the guy is clearly older than Jones! :confused:
oki9Sedo
11-03-2007, 03:46 PM
What I never got was this bit of dialogue
"It belongs in a museum"
"so do yoooou!"
Why does he say that, if it has something to do with age, the guy is clearly older than Jones! :confused:
Its not because of his age, its because he's following an old code that has no place in the world, as Panama Hat sees it.
Either that or he's making a grim joke about Indy being about to be killed.
Aaron H
11-03-2007, 03:48 PM
Its not because of his age, its because he's following an old code that has no place in the world, as Panama Hat sees it.
Either that or he's making a grim joke about Indy being about to be killed.
That is very insightful...I suppose I never really put much thought to it. Belloq makes reference to he and Indy being relics of times past too.
Professor Jones
11-03-2007, 04:13 PM
Guys this is TOOOO MUCH insightful... the joke is quite obvious: Indy is an archaeologist, so he should stay in a museum researching on books and in libraries rather than chase a man from country to country all his life long... It's a joke... you're vivisectioning some work of art!!!!
indyfan85
11-03-2007, 04:15 PM
Haha ok those are both good analysis' of the dialogue. Thanks guys :hat:
Professor Jones
11-03-2007, 07:44 PM
:D You're welcome! :up:
oki9Sedo
11-04-2007, 06:32 AM
Guys this is TOOOO MUCH insightful... the joke is quite obvious: Indy is an archaeologist, so he should stay in a museum researching on books and in libraries rather than chase a man from country to country all his life long... It's a joke... you're vivisectioning some work of art!!!!
He says it in a grim tone though, so I think thats less likely.
herr gruber
11-04-2007, 06:50 AM
It seems that Indy wanted to jump overboard anyway due to the raft being in the water. Panama Hat orders his men to throw Indy over the side. Indy gets his way either scenario! Which reminds me. If his nemesis, Panama Hat wants to finish off Indy, why doesn't he just shoot him? It's the old Bond villain failing again.
oki9Sedo
11-04-2007, 07:27 AM
It seems that Indy wanted to jump overboard anyway due to the raft being in the water. Panama Hat orders his men to throw Indy over the side. Indy gets his way either scenario! Which reminds me. If his nemesis, Panama Hat wants to finish off Indy, why doesn't he just shoot him? It's the old Bond villain failing again.
Well its not quite as bad as slowly lowering Bond on a podium into a pit of sharks, giving him aple time to formulate an elaborate plan to escape. He presumed that Indy wouldn't be able to fight off three henchmen (and presumed wrong).
NoCamels
11-04-2007, 09:13 PM
I always thought it looked like Indy was swinging on the chain to get past the goons, swung out too far, and got knocked loose by the giant wave.
Then the ship explodes, and he has no hope of sneaking back aboard, so he's stuck with the life preserver. He is, after all, swimming fully clothed with boots, gear and leather jacket, presumably in the middle of the ocean. I doubt he planned his escape to end that way.
No Ticket
11-05-2007, 02:27 AM
Well duh.
He jumps off the ship so we can get to the next Act in the movie.
Professor Jones
11-05-2007, 04:47 PM
Well duh.
He jumps off the ship so we can get to the next Act in the movie.
No Ticket you're as smart as usual. Finally someone that doesn't feel the need of decomposing a movie to appreciate it.:up:
Little Indy
11-21-2007, 12:56 AM
presumably in the middle of the ocean.
I believe the scene is set off the coast of Portugal. This is just an aside to the whole above conersation. But one of the goons or henchmen actually makes an appearance in an Indy comic from Darkhorse. I'll have to look up which issue, but he lost his leg in the explosion apparantly. I thought that was cool they made a connection with the comic and the opening scene.
Professor Jones
11-21-2007, 06:11 AM
It is in "Indiana Jones and the Sargasso Pirates". The character is Bill Lawton a Long-John-Silver-like character, even if much more evil and much more "double". He actually represents a link between Last Crusade and the Sargasso Pirates comic (very good art, poor plot with an intolerable amount of pain and suffering for a poor Indy).
But we didn't need that to know that the scene is set in the Portuguese Coast, since it's the movie itself that tells us that (it appears a subtitle at the beginning of the scene, indicating date and place).
Little Indy
11-21-2007, 11:27 PM
But we didn't need that to know that the scene is set in the Portuguese Coast, since it's the movie itself that tells us that (it appears a subtitle at the beginning of the scene, indicating date and place).
Ya must've missed the fact that I was responding to another post. It's in the quote that I posted with my original message. Then I lead into the Comic and Last Crusade tie-in by starting off with a disclaimer. ;)
Indy's Fist
12-04-2007, 11:50 AM
Wasn't this the only artifact that we saw Indy bring back to the museum?
Miss_Jones
12-12-2007, 07:20 AM
Wasn't this the only artifact that we saw Indy bring back to the museum?
If I remember correctly, in Raiders Indy loses the idol to Belloq but brings some other stuff, we don't really see it that much but I remember him telling Marcus "these are goods pieces" and then Marcus telling him that the museum will be happy to buy anything he brings.
I would like the ship fight scene just for being set off the Portuguese coast :D I always imagined that if that ship didn't appear in the horizon to rescue him, poor Indy would have to swim all the way to Lisbon!
Osceola
12-12-2007, 07:35 AM
Wasn't this the only artifact that we saw Indy bring back to the museum?
That we know of yeah. He finds, the Hovito idol, the Ark, the ashes of Nurhachi, that big diamond (Eye of the Peacock if you ask me), the Cross of Coronado, and the Holy Grail. These up in Belloq's pocket, a giant warehouse, Lao Che's pocket, undetermined, the museum, and a giant crack in the floor.
He just really has no luck does he? Ben Gates (from National Treasure) is currently one for one on a multibillion dollar treasure, and actually gets to keep the girl between movies.
CaliforniaJones
12-12-2007, 09:03 AM
I guess that's what's bugged me about the "fortune and glory" line in Temple. Indy was never motivated by that. He was doing to keep it from falling into evil hands. So the stuff he found never made it into the museums, or made him lots of money. He just saved the world a few times, that's all.
metalinvader
12-12-2007, 09:22 AM
The 'Fortune and Glory" line was directed at the Thuggee.
After all,The Thuggee where nothing but a fanatical cult.99% of cults only want one thing..Power,'Fortune and Glory".
Professor Jones
12-12-2007, 09:24 AM
Ya must've missed the fact that I was responding to another post. It's in the quote that I posted with my original message. Then I lead into the Comic and Last Crusade tie-in by starting off with a disclaimer. ;)
Woops.. my mistake! Thought you deduced the setting from the comic rather than the movie itself... anyway I was trying to bring some attention to the comic too, but maybe we should open a new thread! ;)
CaliforniaJones
12-12-2007, 09:42 AM
The 'Fortune and Glory" line was directed at the Thuggee.
After all,The Thuggee where nothing but a fanatical cult.99% of cults only want one thing..Power,'Fortune and Glory".
Yeah but he didn't even really know about the Thuggee yet. When he said it all he knew was that the kids were gone, the stones were gone, and the village had gone to Hell. As far as everyone knew, the British had gotten rid of them years before. I think as a prequel they were trying to show that Indy started out as being motivated by fortune and glory. Why else would he be trying to trade the ashes of the first emperor of China, for a diamond? I think that archaeologically, the ashes are much more valuable.
Professor Jones
12-12-2007, 09:43 AM
If I remember correctly, in Raiders Indy loses the idol to Belloq but brings some other stuff, we don't really see it that much but I remember him telling Marcus "these are goods pieces" and then Marcus telling him that the museum will be happy to buy anything he brings.
I would like the ship fight scene just for being set off the Portuguese coast :D I always imagined that if that ship didn't appear in the horizon to rescue him, poor Indy would have to swim all the way to Lisbon!
Who says that Indy never went to Lisbon?
http://photos1.hi5.com/0015/848/394/PZ4.DL848394-02.jpg
That seems just La Igreça do Carmo to me...
Miss_Jones
12-12-2007, 10:37 AM
Who says that Indy never went to Lisbon?
http://photos1.hi5.com/0015/848/394/PZ4.DL848394-02.jpg
That seems just La Igreça do Carmo to me...
Well there! I wonder if there's some buried treasure under those ruins? :) Come to think of it, this whole city could be fertile ground for treasure hunders! The downtown is built over Roman ruins, there's a medieval castle and then the Carmo church which collapsed in the 1755 earthquake...
I think as a prequel they were trying to show that Indy started out as being motivated by fortune and glory.
That's a likely point, even though later they change things again in Crusade and the Chronicles to make Indy more of a «goodie». In my personal opinion, Indy is sort of trying to convince himself that he's in it for fortune and glory, but doesn't quite succeed. He always ends up doing the right thing, even though maybe he didn't mean it at first...:rolleyes:
metalinvader
12-12-2007, 10:55 AM
Yeah but he didn't even really know about the Thuggee yet. When he said it all he knew was that the kids were gone, the stones were gone, and the village had gone to Hell. As far as everyone knew, the British had gotten rid of them years before. I think as a prequel they were trying to show that Indy started out as being motivated by fortune and glory. Why else would he be trying to trade the ashes of the first emperor of China, for a diamond? I think that archaeologically, the ashes are much more valuable.
I stand corrected!
No idea why that slipped my mind.:D
Sankara
12-12-2007, 11:33 AM
@metalinvader
Wrong! The 'Fortune and Glory" line was NOT directed at the Villians. Watch the movie again and you will see it...
metalinvader
12-12-2007, 12:01 PM
@metalinvader
Wrong! The 'Fortune and Glory" line was NOT directed at the Villians. Watch the movie again and you will see it...
READ.THE.ABOVE.POST:rolleyes:
Indy's Fist
12-12-2007, 04:09 PM
In Raiders Indy was hired by the US government to find the Ark. He was hired by the museum to find the fertility statue. In LC he was more interested in saving his father. Indy, however is no fool either. He knows that finding one of these items would be fortune and glory. Perhaps he was interested to accumulate more weath so he could finance his own expeditions to recover rare artifacts to bring back to the museum. Lastly when Indy collects the stone from the Temple of Doom, he hears the whips and the screams and cry of those kids. He knows that he would never be able to live with himself if he did nothing to help them.
Sankara
12-12-2007, 11:15 PM
@metalinvader
Okay! In "Temple" Indiana Jones would die for furtune and glory. Maybe... but not today... :-)
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