The Lost Journal

[walker]

Hi everyone
I'm new to the board. Used to post on Indyfan.com quite a bit when it was still active. Wrote a few short stories over there as well (IJ and the Golden Death; IJ and the Serpent of Evil).

Wanted to let you know that I was at the London Book Fair in April and met with a publisher who mentioned that they'd just signed a contract with Lucasfilm to do a new book in conjunction with Indy 4. It's entitled The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones. Essentially, it's going to be a replica of the journal that you see Indy use throughout the various films. If I understand it correctly, it'll include all of the written stuff you see in the films, plus a lot more, in addition to loose pieces like a zepplin ticket, maps, and other parphrenalia. It's going to be leather and look weathered, etc, with an elastic band around the front to keep it closed. I believe they'll be including stuff from the fourth movie in it as well, but that's speculation on my part based on what my contact said. She'd just received the notice and the description re: the deal that morning, so she was learning about it the same time as me.

Could be cool
walker:whip:

[Moedred]

Welcome to the Raven! Are you the walker who reviewed (http://www.indyfan.com/articles/saucer.html) Saucer Men? How did you come across it? Sure could use some official sources to absolutely confirm its authenticity. I ordered the script (http://www.theraider.net/films/indy4/rumored_scripts.php) myself and scanned it for TheRaider. We discussed it here (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=7949).

It's about time we got a chronological guide to the Indyverse, like Star Wars fans have!

[walker]

that was year's ago!

I seem to remember having ordered it through an online place called ScriptShack.com. I think they must have gotten sued, though, because they only sell legit scripts nowadays.

[Moedred]

I got my copy from Scripthouse. The next holy grail is the Raiders story conference transcripts (http://www.spielbergfilms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5439), so keep an eye out!

[walker]

cool. thanks for the head's up.

[Zorg]

That Indy's journal -kind of book sounds really cool. :cool: Do you have any info how limited edition it will be?

[indyt]

Hi everyone
I'm new to the board. Used to post on Indyfan.com quite a bit when it was still active. Wrote a few short stories over there as well (IJ and the Golden Death; IJ and the Serpent of Evil).

Wanted to let you know that I was at the London Book Fair in April and met with a publisher who mentioned that they'd just signed a contract with Lucasfilm to do a new book in conjunction with Indy 4. It's entitled The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones. Essentially, it's going to be a replica of the journal that you see Indy use throughout the various films. If I understand it correctly, it'll include all of the written stuff you see in the films, plus a lot more, in addition to loose pieces like a zepplin ticket, maps, and other parphrenalia. It's going to be leather and look weathered, etc, with an elastic band around the front to keep it closed. I believe they'll be including stuff from the fourth movie in it as well, but that's speculation on my part based on what my contact said. She'd just received the notice and the description re: the deal that morning, so she was learning about it the same time as me.

Could be cool
walker:whip:

cant wait to get it!!

[walker]

Hey Zorg
I don't think it's going to be limited edition. I am a little concerned about its availability in the U.S. though. The info was circulating at the London Book Fair, so I don't know if it'll be available in the U.S. It should be, but I came across another new Indy book a couple months back that was only available from Spain. I believe the title translates into something like "The Biography of Indiana Jones." I don't speak Spanish though, so I may be wrong.

It arrived a couple weeks ago and looks interesting, but I'm going to have to learn Spanish to read it. Looks like it's Indy's biography as written by Marcus Brody. It does not appear to cover anything taking place during Indy 4, however.

I wish Lucasfilm would release a list of all of their licensed Indy product. It's hard to find this overseas stuff.
walker

[Stoo]

Hey walker,

Looking forward to this new book. Thanks for the passing on the news!
The Spanish one sounds interesting too. If I may ask, what is the ISBN #?

[walker]

Sure. The ISBN is 8495642743.

Here's a link to the page where I first found it:
http://www.agapea.com/Indiana-Jones-biografia-n481334i.htm

I ordered it from these folks and received it in good condition, but you should know that they totally screwed up my mailing address and sent it to the wrong place. I eventually tracked it down, but to be safe, you may want to have a friend who speaks Spanish (if you do not) order it for you. It's possible I botched the instructions for filling in my address....

walker

[Stoo]

Thanks a bunch, walker!:up:

[IndySeven]

The book sounds cool to me!:)

[walker]

Hi all
Several weeks back I mentioned that I'd seen some advance info on a new IJ book at the London Book Fair. Well, I just checked the Amazon.ca (Canadian) site and they have it listed. Looks like it will be available May 6, 2008. I've copied the details as posted on the site below. No actual description of content as of yet, but the description I got at the fair is that it will be a replica of Indy's journal and include all sorts of map fragments, train tickets, etc, including stuff from the new movie. Could be cool.
walker
:hat:

The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones (Hardcover)
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[walker]

I just doublechecked the US Amazon site and it's listed there as well. Looks like it's going to retail for $25 US.
walker

[Gobi-1]

This sounds like if could be fantastic.

[Violet Indy]

I hope it'll be avaliable in Australia. I'll be soooo disappointed if it isn't.

[Andy Jones]

Hope this reaches the UK aswell.

[Bullwhip]

Damn, more cash spent in 2008 in the name of Indy.

[Mitchellhallock]

Saw this and other items listed on Amazon to coincide with the release of Indy IV -- but a lost journal? Is this like a prologue tie-in to the film or --- egads --something happens to our favorite adventurer and this is his last entry...

The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones (Hardcover)
by Henry Jones (Author)
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[The Professor]

The May 6 date as well as recent talk from Hasbro may suggest that that day will see the official release of Indy 4 merchandise. This book sounds intriguing.

[Violet Indy]

There's already a thread on this in the Literature table. But, I must say I'm looking forward to that one and hoping that it will be sold in Australia.

[Finn]

A duplicate thread I can understand, but why the spoiler forum? Get it already, it is for the plot points of upcoming movie only, and I don't see any in the opening post.

Moved.

[Grizzlor]

I hope it's some kind of Indy encyclopedia or companion, and not just the novelization of the new movie.

[Violet Indy]

From the description I read on the other thread in Literature, it's refers to all of Indy's adventures including Indy IV. Basically the once and for all, chronicles.

[Moedred]

I've always imagined such a book, hopefully with an index and bibliography, that would compliment the various Star Wars encyclopediae.
http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Journal-Indiana-Jones/dp/1416563156
(This other one seems to be for children.)
http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Ultimate-DK-Publishing/dp/0756635004
More info (from elsewhere):
From the scorching sands of Cairo to the Canyon of the Crescent Moon, this personal journal of Dr Henry 'Indiana' Jones, Jr chronicles every thrilling adventure, from the original Raiders of the Lost Ark to the eagerly anticipated fourth feature film. Filled with sketches, notes and jottings in the great man's own hand, and accompanied by rare archive photos and much material never published before, the journal records the artefacts and discoveries, the folklore and the characters -- not to mention the narrow escapes and heroic escapades -- encountered on each of his globetrotting travels. For Indiana Jones fans old and new who wish to recapture the excitement of these legendary films in book form, The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones provides a uniquely vivid inside view of the swashbuckling world of cinema's most popular adventurer.

[Indy_Chic]

This new book sounds fantastic!:up: I sure hope it will be available in Australia too.

[Violet Indy]

Same here, Indy_Chic. That one I'm very much looking forward to, right with the Marvel and Dark Horse Omnibuses.

[Michael24]

(This other one seems to be for children.)
http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Ultimate-DK-Publishing/dp/0756635004


Oh, cool. DK Publishing is make an Indiana Jones Ultimate Guide!! I have the ones they did for James Bond, Batman, and Spider-Man. Should be a good one. :)

[G-Man]

UK Amazon has an image of the cover of the Lost Journal.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hPCJjfx6L._SS500_.jpg

Looks awesome...

[salussolia]

cool!!!!!!!!

[Violet Indy]

It seems the Russians steal his journal, judging from the cover. I wonder if it will have all his film adventures in it, written from his perspective or if it is just KOTCS from his perspective?

[salussolia]

it says its too 1957
no further adventures

wich means room for later ones!!

[Moedred]

Indy signs the cover, just like his dad (http://www.indygear.com/props/images/Diary.jpg)!
They're really paying attention to details. Awesome.

[Moedred]

The cover says...
Department: The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation
Artifact: The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones
Date Processed: November 10, 19XX
Location found: Peru, South America
Item Number: T1-5313-FJJ
Details: The journal of Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. (aka "Indiana" Jones), from the years 1908-1957. Obtained by the KGB in 1957 and subsequently inherited by our collection. XXXX Further details and notes enclosed within. Contents are highly sensitive. Confidential

Will this be part of the plot? Would Indy carry something this important on a risky adventure and lose it, like he did with the grail diary?

[Avilos]

It starts in 1908! That means it includes info from Young Indiana Jones!

[G-Man]

http://www.simonsays.com/assets/isbn/1416563156/BC_1416563156.jpg

The spiel reads:

'URGENT JUST RELEASED: THE LOST JOURNAL OF INDIANA JONES(TM)
The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation is pleased to release one of its most prized holdings, the heretofore "lost" journal of Dr. Henry "Indiana" Jones, Jr., which was obscured within the KGB's collection for years before passing into the Russian Federation's possession. From Jones's notes on his youthful encounters with the likes of Lawrence of Arabia and Teddy Roosevelt, through his adulthood adventures with the Thuggee Cult, the Nazis, and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, this journal covers nearly fifty years in his life, spanning from 1908 to 1957. Dr. Jones's snapshots, sketches, press clippings, and entries recording his personal thoughts are all revealed in this volume, giving new insight into one of the most enigmatic adventurers of the twentieth century.'

So Indy's complete adventures then.:)

[Moedred]

http://www.simonsays.com/assets/isbn/1416563156/F_1416563156.gif
Here's their site (http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?tab=1&pid=616335&er=9781416563150).
Edit: this used to be a small image of the back cover with the text G-Man listed.

[Violet Indy]

That URGENT image looks like it's the back cover of the book. Either way, I am really looking forward to getting that. :up:

[Andy Jones]

Can't wait for this book. Of all the books coming out this is the one I want the most. Great to see they are including the young Indy series as well. Wonder if there will be much from the novels in there.

[QBComics]

UK Amazon has an image of the cover of the Lost Journal.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hPCJjfx6L._SS500_.jpg

Looks awesome...

Cool picture!

[The Stranger]

Uhm... I sense this "secret diary" will be mine soon... LOL!!! :D

[Gary2880]

As its only advertised on amazon for £10 i doubt the cover will be real leather im afraid as cool as that would be. hopefully it will be a nice little item.

I also liked the look of these 2 books as well

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Indiana-Jones-Ultimate-Guide-Film/dp/1405328568/ref=pd_bbs_13?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203524987&sr=8-13

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Making-Indiana-Jones-Definitive/dp/0345501292/ref=pd_sbs_b?ie=UTF8&qid=1203524987&sr=8-13

[martinland]

As its only advertised on amazon for £10 i doubt the cover will be real leather im afraid as cool as that would be. hopefully it will be a nice little item.

I also liked the look of these 2 books as well

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Indiana-Jones-Ultimate-Guide-Film/dp/1405328568/ref=pd_bbs_13?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203524987&sr=8-13

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Making-Indiana-Jones-Definitive/dp/0345501292/ref=pd_sbs_b?ie=UTF8&qid=1203524987&sr=8-13
That's why I ordered all three of them! ;)
In fact I ordered 'The Complete Making of' a long time ago and the other two about a week ago.

I looked around a bit more, but the likes of adventure source books (already got one) and all the other publications really don't look that interesting/detailed to me...

[Andy Jones]

I've ordered these books as well. Went with play.com instead of Amazon though. They're cheaper and I find Play.com are usually quicker delivering than Amazon.

http://www.play.com/Books/Books/6-/Search.html?searchstring=indiana+jones&searchtype=bookall&searchsource=1

[Gary2880]

I remember seeing a while back there was going to be a special edition of this book, i think it either had a propper leather cover or was a hard back, i can remember the web page vividly but just cant find/remember the link! Anyone have it bookmarked for me, thanks :up:

[Andy Jones]

For those from the UK who are interested, play.com have reduced the price on this book to £7.49 free delivery.

http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/3575058/-/Product.html?searchstring=indiana+jones+journal&searchsource=0

[Gary2880]

awesome, ta muchly.

I just found out that it was the ultimate guide that has the special edition not this. Yes im a retard.

[Dr.Sartorius]

Release date is May 6 or April 14?

[Arab Swordsman]

It looks like Amazon and BN.com are showing the book as in stock!!!

[iLUVINDY]

It looks like Amazon and BN.com are showing the book as in stock!!!

I just bought mine and should receive it Monday or Tuesday, ill tell you what's up with the book, when i get it....

[TalonCard]

Mine just shipped! :D

TC

[DocWhiskey]

Just ordered mine along with the handbook. Great deal. I know on amazon it says paperback, but wouldn't it be cooler if it was a hardcover? I mean especially with the distressed look and all.

[TennesseeKorben]

*wonders why his hasn't shipped yet though he pre-ordered it a long time ago*

[walker]

Got my copy of the Lost Journal today. Looks great. An earlier post lamented that the journal was a paperback, but I'm happy to say that it is not. (There are a limited number of descriptors a publisher can use to indicate format on Amazon, so calling it "paperback" really doesn't do the book justice.) It's actually somewhere in between a hardcover and a paperback. The industry term is flexi-bind, and it gives the book a really nice look actually. Faux leather, so that it looks legit. I think you'll be impressed.

Now if only I can keep from flipping to the last few pages for another month....
walker

[iLUVINDY]

Got my copy of the Lost Journal today. Looks great. An earlier post lamented that the journal was a paperback, but I'm happy to say that it is not. (There are a limited number of descriptors a publisher can use to indicate format on Amazon, so calling it "paperback" really doesn't do the book justice.) It's actually somewhere in between a hardcover and a paperback. The industry term is flexi-bind, and it gives the book a really nice look actually. Faux leather, so that it looks legit. I think you'll be impressed.

Now if only I can keep from flipping to the last few pages for another month....
walker

where did u order it from?

[Adamwankenobi]

Got my copy of the Lost Journal today. Looks great. An earlier post lamented that the journal was a paperback, but I'm happy to say that it is not. (There are a limited number of descriptors a publisher can use to indicate format on Amazon, so calling it "paperback" really doesn't do the book justice.) It's actually somewhere in between a hardcover and a paperback. The industry term is flexi-bind, and it gives the book a really nice look actually. Faux leather, so that it looks legit. I think you'll be impressed.

Now if only I can keep from flipping to the last few pages for another month....
walker

How's its YIJC coverage? It would seem that YIJC would make up the majority of the book, since that's where the idea for the book came from. :up:

[Crack that whip]

How's its YIJC coverage? It would seem that YIJC would make up the majority of the book, since that's where the idea for the book came from. :up:

... not to mention the fact the TV series covers a lot more time than the movies. ;)

Does it have anything to say re: the "Indy EU" (novels, comics, games, etc.)?

[Edward The Head]

I just got mine today. Do not go to the last few pages if you don't want to be spoiled. I looked rather quickly by accident and there are easy to see spoilers.

They give dates for the movies now so we know when things happen. They also give prices for somethings, like the Pan Am flight, which was $900, which is a lot of money. I know what I'll be reading tonight!

ETA: After skimming for a bit, do not go past the couple of pages for Atlantis, after that there are spoilers.

[walker]

I've been reading through the journal and it really is well done. It's coverage of the Chronicles is limited, but interesting. The journals starts with Indy's first entry and talks about a couple of his TV adventures as a young boy, then moves to his adventure at the beginning of Last Crusade, then covers three or four of the Sean Patrick Flannery adventures. A page or two for each. Then it touches upon three of the novels (all Rob MacGregor entries, I believe). Nothing about the Young Indy books, or the German novels, or the comic book adventures EXCEPT for Fate of Atlantis. It's inclusion perhaps means that Lucas considers that particular adventure as cannon. After this, I cannot say more as there are many spoilers, including some tidbits of what Indy was doing during WWII, who Mac is, etc. So I'll stop there. Really worth the purchase though.

FYI, I got it from Amazon.

walker

[Perhilion]

I WANT THIS BOOK! But perhaps it's best I don't get it now; I would probably end up looking too far ahead.

[GlasgowChivas]

I WANT THIS BOOK! But perhaps it's best I don't get it now; I would probably end up looking too far ahead.


I have been onto Play.com so many times - only to cancel the order at the last minute...

I've waited nearly 20 yrs ....i can wait a few weeks more...

MUST....RESIST........

[agentsands77]

If any of you posters have the book and are willing to read through the end, I'd love to know the INDY IV material...

PM, perhaps?

[iLUVINDY]

What else does the book have?? Does it contain like pictures, tickets, clipping??? Any loose items inside the book????

[Perhilion]

Ok, if any of you who own the book have read the Indy IV material, just tell me this: does it sound good?

[Edward The Head]

What else does the book have?? Does it contain like pictures, tickets, clipping??? Any loose items inside the book????

No loose items in the book so it looks a bit strange when you're reading it. There are tons of photos and tickets and things like that. I haven't fully read mine yet as I was out at the KMart seeing if they had put anything out yet. They are the only store that has anything right now, and that's only the original Lego.

[TalonCard]

Got mine. :D


Notes (warning: SPOILERS for lost journal and Kingdom. Sort of.):

Pretty durn cool.

The design of the book is awesome. Not only makes a good read; the publishers have made a decent stab at making it look and feel like a journal. Not prop-quality, or anything, but better than I'd expected.

Does a fair job of bridging the gaps between films in a few pages.

More "expanded adventures" material included than I'd expected. Heavy references to Atlantis and some of the novels, at least one offhand Dark Horse comic mention.

Much less from Young Indy than I'd expected, but still has a lot from the series.

The quest for the Peacock's Eye continues.

Short Round follows in Indy's footsteps.

Remy (from Young Indy) still alive as of 1935.

Includes a term paper Indy never got back to a student for revision. Sometimes, it must really bite to have him as a professor. ;)

Intro seems to be written in the present day. States that Jones was known as "a collector of ancient artifacts". Is inconclusive as to whether or not Indy is still alive--he'd be about 109.

Surprising references to Indy's previous experiences with crystal skulls and UFOs from Expanded Adventures sources in the Kingdom section.

Not really a whole lot of spoilers in the end, actually. If you've been following the spoilers online and reading the old scripts, there's nothing new here.

TC

[Lao_Che]

Any new information on the gap from Last Crusade to Mystery of the Blues' bookends to Crystall Skull? Stuff that doesn't tie into Crystal Skull that is, or is it too soon to tell?

[TalonCard]

No Mystery of the Blues related stuff at all, sadly. Missed opportunity there. There is still some interesting info from inbetween Crusade and Kingdom:

1938

Excerpt from Princeton Review article by Henry Jones, Sr., titled "The Last Crusade". ;)

Letter from Jones Sr. Not something I'd thought about, but he's got a lot of spare time on his hands now that the object he'd been searching for for forty years has been found. ;)

1939

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis notes.

1944

Letter from Eisenhower

Letter by a Kingdom character.

1945

Indy was in Flensburg, Germany, for the final action of World War II.

1953

Indy's thinking about buying a refrigerator.

1957

Short Round is close to finding Peacock's Eye. Notes for class. Notes on nuclear dvelopment. There's more, but it's all probably Kingdom related. Still nothing you couldn't guess from the trailer.

EDIT: I could be crazy, but it looks like they photoshopped some of the older, non Chronicles pictures of Indy with a young Harrison Ford. Hmm. Pretty silly looking, and it detracts from the generally high quality of the book.

TC

[Violet Indy]

Oh, come on! Please one of you, don't hold out on me! If I was able to get this book I would have. I want to hear spoilers if anyone else is going to read it. Or at least, an entry from 1926 would be sweet!

[No Ticket]

This book sounds awesome. So it's already out? I see it on IJ.com but it says it ships May 9. I want to get it, but I don't want to read it and have any major spoilers for KOTCS revealed to me before I see it. So maybe I should wait?

[TennesseeKorben]

Ok, I pre-ordered this book a long time ago on Amazon and it hasn't even been prepared to ship for me. Does anyone know why!?

[TalonCard]

This book sounds awesome. So it's already out? I see it on IJ.com but it says it ships May 9. I want to get it, but I don't want to read it and have any major spoilers for KOTCS revealed to me before I see it. So maybe I should wait?

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The "story" behind the book is that Indy's journal was taken from him by the Russians during the events of Kingdom. So the end of the movie isn't given away. Mutt isn't even mentioned by name, although there's a picture of him. Spalko's first name isn't mentioned either. There are only a handful of things that aren't in the trailer, and I didn't see anything that wasn't already described in the earliest of spoiler reports or the Saucermen script.

TC

[TalonCard]

Oh, come on! Please one of you, don't hold out on me! If I was able to get this book I would have. I want to hear spoilers if anyone else is going to read it. Or at least, an entry from 1926 would be sweet!

The entry for 1926 is just a sketch of a Mayan mask and some notes relating to the novel Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils. The journal then skips to 1933.

TC

[Violet Indy]

What! That's it for '26? What tight-asses! Not one word regarding the affair with Marion and the fight with Abner and that's a big deal. I can't believe they skipped out on that. Oh well, I'll just have to hope Rob McGregor writes a novel on it...someday.

[otto rahn]

What! That's it for '26? What tight-asses! Not one word regarding the affair with Marion and the fight with Abner and that's a big deal. I can't believe they skipped out on that. Oh well, I'll just have to hope Rob McGregor writes a novel on it...someday. Me too "Violet Indy" ! I've been waiting to hear about THAT part of Indy's life ever since it was first mentioned in "Raiders" !

[Adamwankenobi]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The "story" behind the book is that Indy's journal was taken from him by the Russians during the events of Kingdom. So the end of the movie isn't given away. Mutt isn't even mentioned by name, although there's a picture of him. Spalko's first name isn't mentioned either. There are only a handful of things that aren't in the trailer, and I didn't see anything that wasn't already described in the earliest of spoiler reports or the Saucermen script.

TC

I certainly hope that's not how it is in the actual film, as that was part of the premise of the original YIJC: that Old Indy still has his diary, which he uses to help him recall his young adventures. :(

[Raiders112390]

Does anyone think this book can be considered canon?

[OhioJones]

I certainly hope that's not how it is in the actual film, as that was part of the premise of the original YIJC: that Old Indy still has his diary, which he uses to help him recall his young adventures. :(

Old Indy no longer exists.

Except like this:

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/indy4-photos-02.jpg

;)

[Adamwankenobi]

Old Indy no longer exists.

Except like this:

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/indy4-photos-02.jpg

;)

Here's a man who might disagree with ya: ;)

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[agentsands77]

Man, those "old Indy" set-ups for YIJC were awful.

[TalonCard]

What! That's it for '26? What tight-asses! Not one word regarding the affair with Marion and the fight with Abner and that's a big deal. I can't believe they skipped out on that. Oh well, I'll just have to hope Rob McGregor writes a novel on it...someday.

There's a lead-in to that backstory via a letter from Abner. But that's in the 1925 entry. :D

TC

[TalonCard]

I certainly hope that's not how it is in the actual film, as that was part of the premise of the original YIJC: that Old Indy still has his diary, which he uses to help him recall his young adventures. :(

I doubt we'll see the journal in the film, but I think that what's shown in the YIJC is his diary, as opposed to this "lost journal". It would explain why most of the YIJC have been skipped over. The covers also don't look alike; although the Journal reveals that it once had a similar cover to the YIJC diary, it says that Jones replaced it with the current version in the 30s. So maybe they came as a set.

TC

[Jeremiah Jones]

Actually it is supposed to be the same diary, as inside the cover is 'taped' the original cover, with the Russian Federation Archival caption that it wore out around 1930 and had to be replaced by the one it has...

I find it rather sad, if it is canon, that Indy lost his diary to the Russians, I mean the man kept the thing for 49 years, full of so many adventures, and then its stolen by Russians!!?! Madness. Twould kill me if some Russians stole my diaries.

[TalonCard]

Does anyone think this book can be considered canon?

It's probably about as canon as the rest of Indy's "Expanded Adventures". Personally, I prefer the strict film canon, (I.E. YIJC and the four films.) This is, I'll admit, a little hypocritical of me, since I'm a huge fan of the multi-media Star Wars Expanded Universe. Of course, it's a little easier to accept that Han Solo had several encounters with bounty hunters on Ord Mantell than that Indiana Jones solved the mystery of stonehenge multiple times... ;)

TC

[OhioJones]

Here's a man who might disagree with ya: ;)

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Kind of funny that, in this situation, you posted the Old Indy segment that was replaced by for in the original run! ;)

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But you knew that, of course!

Anyway, I ordered the journal today! I'm really excited to get it.

How long is it.

[TalonCard]

Actually it is supposed to be the same diary, as inside the cover is 'taped' the original cover, with the Russian Federation Archival caption that it wore out around 1930 and had to be replaced by the one it has...

The problem with that is that old Indy kept his diary well into his ninties, and had several artifacts from his younger years, like a train ticket, in it. And it stll had the original cover.

Now it's true that the "Old Indy" bookends were removed for the latest release...however, the keeper of the "IndyCron", Leeland Chee, hasn't been told to consider them out of the Indy continuity. Also, the newer versions of the Young Indy films still show old Indy's hands thumbing through an intact diary (again, with the original cover) over the end credits.

This, combined with the fact that much of the YIJC are skipped over, leads me to believe that we're looking at two different books--probably part of a set, since they originally looked alike.

TC

[Jeremiah Jones]

Heres a bit of retcon then: The dates in the introduction of the diary are 199 - with the final digit blank, maybe its say, 1990, perhaps Indiana was assumed dead or something, maybe the Russian authorities couldn't reach him or somewhat, after the release of the diary from the archives Indy got word from it and managed to secure it again, and, in a fit of old age nostalgia had the original cover restored, and, refreshed in the tales from his youth on his re reading of the diary, starts spouting tales more then he'd ever done before, cue The young indiana jones chronicles.

Presto..
Continuity fix.
These things happen over in the star wars universe all the time

[Lao_Che]

1953

Indy's thinking about buying a refrigerator.

Ooh! :eek:

Thanks TC. :hat:

It is worth noting apart from the Ark diary in Raiders, Jones may also have at least one other book: The Memoirs of Indiana Jones (http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/preview.php?theid=15-033&p=3)

[Adamwankenobi]

Kind of funny that, in this situation, you posted the Old Indy segment that was replaced by for in the original run!

Well, it was the only one that could be embedded; ever since the whole Rickroll craze started, I've been hesitant to post a url (as it would probably limit my audience). ;)

[UltimateManGod]

The entry for 1926 is just a sketch of a Mayan mask and some notes relating to the novel Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils. The journal then skips to 1933.

TC

Wow, so it skips the final three MacGregor books and the Caidin ones. That's kind of surprising, skipping 5 whole books. Though maybe it's a good thing to skip the Caidin ones. I started Sky Pirates recently, but I'm scared to go on. Their reputation and my own brief skimmings are to blame.

[TalonCard]

Heres a bit of retcon then: The dates in the introduction of the diary are 199 - with the final digit blank, maybe its say, 1990, perhaps Indiana was assumed dead or something, maybe the Russian authorities couldn't reach him or somewhat, after the release of the diary from the archives Indy got word from it and managed to secure it again, and, in a fit of old age nostalgia had the original cover restored, and, refreshed in the tales from his youth on his re reading of the diary, starts spouting tales more then he'd ever done before, cue The young indiana jones chronicles.


That's not a bad continuity fix...the only problem is that there are inexplicibly two dates in the introduction: December 10, 19--, and May 22, 20--...(a reference to Kingdom's release date.)

Here's a few of my favorite bits:

"The Thuggee, recongnized as a cult more than a religion, offer human sacrifices as a means to win her favor. It is possible that these worshippers call upon black magic, such as the voodoo practices prevalent in New Orleans. However, this theory remains debatable, as voodoo is virtually unheard of in India. Yet, similarities do arise between Louisiana's voodoo and Nkishi in Central Africa, so the possibility that the ritual spread to India exists."

Explanation for Temple's voodoo doll. Cute.

"When I return to school, need to research scientific, medical explantion for heart extraction. Unlike anything I've witnessed previously."

(Note on map leading to the golden idol) "Paramount peak of Mt. Shubet." Yuk, yuk.

(On Cross of Coronado) "Center may contain a relic of the True Cross." :cool:

(On father's Grail Diary) "I don't know how he hasn't memorized this, especially with how long he's spent looking at it over the years."

(On Elsa Scheider) "I have reason to believe that she's not offically in bed with Donovan and the Nazis, but just who is she in bed with?" :hat:

(On Crystal Skulls) "Conceivably a dozen crystal skulls exist worldwide--seems like I've searched for half already."

(Russian note on Indy's search for his father) "Intriguing that he began searching for his father in a library, of all places. This seems to be a quirk unique to academics."

TC

[TalonCard]

Wow, so it skips the final three MacGregor books and the Caidin ones. That's kind of surprising, skipping 5 whole books. Though maybe it's a good thing to skip the Caidin ones. I started Sky Pirates recently, but I'm scared to go on. Their reputation and my own brief skimmings are to blame.

Well, the Expanded Adventures references are few and far between. I was kind of surprised that they were referenced at all, as I don't remember them meshing too well with the YIJC. There is, however, a Sky Pirates reference, it's just later in the book. ;)

TC

[Iandiana]

I just bought mine today from wh smith. They had loads of them! My eldest daughter is borrowing it which makes me happy. Plus GIANT ANTS! WOOO!

Bankruptcy be damned - I'm buying all I can get IJ!

[Adamwankenobi]

(On Crystal Skulls) "Conceivably a dozen crystal skulls exist worldwide--seems like I've searched for half already."

That's awesome that they threw in such a subtle "Expanded Adventures" reference! :cool:

[TalonCard]

That's awesome that they threw in such a subtle "Expanded Adventures" reference! :cool:

Yeah, the low key ones were particularly surprising--and there are a few more of those! :cool:

TC

[metalinvader]

Is their any mention of Fate of Atlantis in the journal?That would be a real shame if that was left out.

[TalonCard]

Is their any mention of Fate of Atlantis in the journal?That would be a real shame if that was left out.

Yup; Fate of Atlantis gets two pages, with a brief mention of Infernal Machine in the Russian notes.

There's also a reference to one of the European books, surprisingly, but it's in relation to what might be considered a Kingdom spoiler.

TC

[metalinvader]

Yup; Fate of Atlantis gets two pages, with a brief mention of Infernal Machine in the Russian notes.

There's also a reference to one of the European books, surprisingly, but it's in relation to what might be considered a Kingdom spoiler.

TC


That's great to hear.Sounds like the author really did his homework on this.

What European book is referenced?

[TalonCard]

I believe it's the one with the viking longship. Unless I've those events mixed up with the Sargasso Pirates comic--I'm an expert as far as the Star Wars Expanded Universe goes; Indy's Expanded Adventures are new territory for me. ;)

TC

[metalinvader]

I believe it's the one with the viking longship. Unless I've those events mixed up with the Sargasso Pirates comic--I'm an expert as far as the Star Wars Expanded Universe goes; Indy's Expanded Adventures are new territory for me. ;)

TC


Well,There are two Indy stories that involve a Viking longship.The first is like you said,Sargasso Pirates and the second is the German book Indiana Jones and the Ship of the Gods.With the limited amount of people who have read Ship of the Gods compared to the amount of people who have read Sargasso Pirates,It seems most likely that the story used for the journal is Sargasso Pirates.Not to mention that those German stories really do not fit in with the Indy EU continuity.
Cool stuff,Thanks for the info!

[TalonCard]

Here's the relavent portion of the Journal--let me know which source it's referring to if you can. (On UFOs) "I've seen a few of these myself, though not exactly. Reminds me of Roswell, New Mexico, 1947. And the "Viking" long ship in '39. And the Sky Pirate in '30."

[metalinvader]

Here's the relavent portion of the Journal--let me know which source it's referring to if you can. (On UFOs) "I've seen a few of these myself, though not exactly. Reminds me of Roswell, New Mexico, 1947. And the "Viking" long ship in '39. And the Sky Pirate in '30."


WOW! Very interesting. Look's like it is refering to the German novel. I've never read it but there is a brief description of it over here.

http://www.theraider.net/information/timeline/adulthood.php

"Spoilerish" I guess.So be warned.

[Junior Jones]

Look's like it is refering to the German novel.

Dang! I gotta learn to read German.

[TalonCard]

Awesome! Three points then--two for relevancy, one for obscurity. ;)

TC

[|ZiR|]

So, I guess this means the German novels are canon. Or at least some of them are. Huh.

[G-Man]

For anyone who wants to see some stuff from the Lost Journal.

There are some pictures here (there may be some spoilers)...

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll64/Eyup-Lad/Indy/

[metalinvader]

For anyone who wants to see some stuff from the Lost Journal.

There are some pictures here (there may be some spoilers)...

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll64/Eyup-Lad/Indy/


Cool stuff.I only dared to look at the Sophia Hapgood new clipping (:up: ) and the awesome drawing by Short Round.Thanks!

[UltimateManGod]

So, I guess this means the German novels are canon. Or at least some of them are. Huh.

Leeland Chee confirmed that they're canon at this link. http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=261663&start=15

I find it interesting that he says they're less likely to be referenced because of the language barrier, yet here one is, brand spankin' new, too.

[Violet Indy]

Thanks for posting that pics, G-Man.:up: I really want to get this. I wonder who the chick in the photo, who's supposed to be Sophia? She looks different to what I was expecting Sophia to look like.

[OhioJones]

I just got this in the mail today from Amazon. Came faster then I though. I only just ordered Monday. Thank goodness I payed for regular shipping.

Anyway, I've only gotten a chance to page through it a little so far but it is really sweet. Even cooler in person.

It's got a really neat authentic look to it. Love how it poses as an actual journal (as you all know).

Can't wait to read it!

I think it's a must buy for Indy fans.

[G-Man]

I noticed in the back page credits that Indy Magnoli was heavily involved in the creation of the journal, that's why it's so great. I love that the lifelong fans have had such an impact on Indy IV...

[TalonCard]

I noticed in the back page credits that Indy Magnoli was heavily involved in the creation of the journal, that's why it's so great. I love that the lifelong fans have had such an impact on Indy IV...

Who is Indy Magnoli?

TC

[Lord_glavin]

Journal looks awesome

still hasn't come to NZ yet, but I'll definaltley try to track down a copy

[G-Man]

Who is Indy Magnoli?

TC
http://www.indygear.com/staff/magnoli.shtml

[ultraman7k]

does anyone know what is with the missing pages that are 'torn' out?

[metalinvader]

does anyone know what is with the missing pages that are 'torn' out?


No idea,I thought mine was damaged at first!

Heh,I guess it was used to make the book more realistic.

[tupogirl]

It's supposed to be at Borders on May 6th. I haven't seen it in a bookstore yet. I'm very excited for this particular tome!

[ATMachine]

I went out to Barnes and Noble tonight, and found they'd put out the Lost Journal of Indiana Jones book a few days early. So I snapped it up. Intriguingly, there are almost zero references to non-filmed Indy stories: YIJ and the four films take up most of the book. Understandable, as many such sources are extremely dubious story-wise.

However, there are a few pages of the journal devoted to Fate of Atlantis and Indy's relationship with Sophia, plus brief references to the Seven Veils novel and Deirdre Campbell.

So apparently Fate of Atlantis (and Rob Macgregor's novels) are good enough for the Lost Journal writers to include mention of them with the filmed Indy, but nothing else? Well, if we have FOA at least...

[ResidentAlien]

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=10995&page=8&highlight=lost+journal

[ATMachine]

Ah, silly me. Should've realized there would already be a thread. Sorry, moderators! :o

[Crack that whip]

Many people regard Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis one of the best Indy tales told yet, in any medium, so it seems a wise move to include it unless it's absolutely contradicted by an actual Lucasfilm production (which FoA, being a LucasArts game, arguably almost is anyway). Presumably nothing in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull obviates it, so...

I haven't read the Rob MacGregor novels in a while, but I loved them all, and I've been looking forward to rereading them soon. Max McCoy's inclusion of a crystal skull element in his books is probably seen as too close to the story of the new movie without expressly supporting it, so I guess his books probably have to go, alas...

[TalonCard]

I haven't read the Rob MacGregor novels in a while, but I loved them all, and I've been looking forward to rereading them soon. Max McCoy's inclusion of a crystal skull element in his books is probably seen as too close to the story of the new movie without expressly supporting it, so I guess his books probably have to go, alas...

Actually, LFL seems to be taking an inclusionistic stance when it comes to Indy's Expanded Adventures. Indy notes the existance of other Crystal Skulls in the lost journal, and mentions that he's searched for many of them already.

TC

[Crack that whip]

Oh! Well, that's interesting, and a little unexpected, but cool. :)

[Raiders112390]

I went out to Barnes and Noble tonight, and found they'd put out the Lost Journal of Indiana Jones book a few days early. So I snapped it up. Intriguingly, there are almost zero references to non-filmed Indy stories: YIJ and the four films take up most of the book. Understandable, as many such sources are extremely dubious story-wise.

However, there are a few pages of the journal devoted to Fate of Atlantis and Indy's relationship with Sophia, plus brief references to the Seven Veils novel and Deirdre Campbell.

So apparently Fate of Atlantis (and Rob Macgregor's novels) are good enough for the Lost Journal writers to include mention of them with the filmed Indy, but nothing else? Well, if we have FOA at least...

Well, there's also a referrence to the Sky Pirates book, and I believe a referrence or two to some of McCoy's books.

[DocWhiskey]

So judging from both of your responses, I'm thinking it references a decent amount of Indy history.

[The Tingler]

I saw it in my local Waterstones bookshop today. Much to my shock, I didn't buy it. You know why? It's tiny. The Emperor's Tomb manual's got more information in it. You could read the whole book in under three minutes. It's short and mostly filled with pictures and sketches we've already seen.

I consider myself an absolutely major Indy fan. If something's got 'Indiana Jones' written on it, I'll probably buy it. I'm not going to buy The Lost Journal. I hope that gives you a clue.

[|ZiR|]

I saw it in my local Waterstones bookshop today. Much to my shock, I didn't buy it. You know why? It's tiny. The Emperor's Tomb manual's got more information in it. You could read the whole book in under three minutes. It's short and mostly filled with pictures and sketches we've already seen.

I consider myself an absolutely major Indy fan. If something's got 'Indiana Jones' written on it, I'll probably buy it. I'm not going to buy The Lost Journal. I hope that gives you a clue.

Thank you! I've been trying to decide whether I should buy it or not, and when I saw that it's only 160 pages at Amazon I suspected it wasn't worth it.

Thanks for the confirmation.

[The Tingler]

It really is just giant pictures. You know how sometimes magazines put "Big Feature Inside!" on the cover along with a picture of, as an obvious example, Indiana Jones, and then after you buy the magazine you find that feature is just loads of pictures with less text than you'd find on the back cover of the DVD? That's what this journal is like.

Any fan with a few weeks to spare could do a better job. The cover and paper is nice, very authentic looking. That's the best thing I can say about it. It's overpriced too.

If you're still not sure (and I've got several pages in this thread of excitement to fight through), I advise you NOT to buy it on the Internet and to wait until it's in a store so you can check it out yourself first. Once you see how pathetic it is you'll leave it on the shelf too.

[Jeremiah Jones]

I have to agree with Tingler, I'm really quite dissapointed with the journal, it looks pretty, but Indy really does seen to have never written in the thing, just sorta drawn random pictures/ let people draw random pictures. Its too slim, and doesn't.. well, it doesn't invent enough, what I wanted were the missing pieces in Indys life, not random ads for 50s fridges, and a poorly drawn map of the village from Temple of doom...

Bah...

[TalonCard]

I have to agree with Tingler, I'm really quite dissapointed with the journal, it looks pretty, but Indy really does seen to have never written in the thing, just sorta drawn random pictures/ let people draw random pictures. Its too slim, and doesn't.. well, it doesn't invent enough, what I wanted were the missing pieces in Indys life, not random ads for 50s fridges, and a poorly drawn map of the village from Temple of doom...

Bah...

That map isn't supposed to be all that detailed--it's a technique used in the field by real life anthropoligists, although for the life of me I can't remember what it's called. (Yeah, I retained my college electives real well... :p )

I can see why some wouldn't want to shell out the $16 for it, though...

TC

[The Tingler]

$16? It's almost twice that in England. Still not worth it.

[mr.wolf]

so here's the e-mail i just got from indyshop.


Due to unanticipated demand, the following item(s) has gone into backorder or the backorder date for this item(s) has been pushed out, the new estimated ship date is listed here :
IJSASBLJIJ The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones <shipstatus>

[The Tingler]

Come to Oxford, there's loads here. Haven't sold one since the last time I looked (unless they got a lot in and are consistently re-filling them).

[deckard24]

I saw the Lost Journal at the bookstore and passed on it, it's really not worth the money! The book is reallly geared towards kids, and is full of pictures that make no sense. An example being a picture of the Shaman from the village in TOD that apparently Willie took? What?? When did she find time to so this? LOL:confused:

My advice save your money and buy the DK guide, that's worth the money!! The reprints of all the novels(movie adaptations and Macgregor, Caiden, and McCoy novels) are at Borders. If you never got them the first time, now's your chance.

[MR Round]

For anyone who wants to see some stuff from the Lost Journal.

There are some pictures here (there may be some spoilers)...

http://s285.photobucket.com/albums/ll64/Eyup-Lad/Indy/

That crate is really cool.Did you get it with something or can one just buy one?

[G-Man]

That crate is really cool.Did you get it with something or can one just buy one?
Thanks I actually made it myself...

[martinland]

Just to offer a different perspective: I love the journal. :up:

It's nice to show other people what it's like if somebody loves the movies and puts something together with a lot of nice little details. I'm a stickler for those... :p

I even sent photographs to one dear friend with whom I always wanted to roam around Venice to search for locations... ...now we have a nice map to go with, hehe - never been on the other side of the canale grande near piazza san marco... ;-)

Martin of the Martinland

[Tempest19]

Didn't really search through the thread, but can any one tell me if there are supposed to be a couple of ripped pages in it? I don't know if this was done by someone who picked up the book before I did or if it's just to have the book look authentic.

[Tempest19]

Don't know how to edit a post. But nevermind about the comment above, posted that when I was just skimming through the book. Just read the annotation that the pages are purposefully missing.

[The Tingler]

No, it's meant to be like that. It's to add an air of mystery to those few years.

[WeAreGoingToDie]

Just picked up the journal, VERY excellent! If you're still considering a purchase, don't listen to those saying it's too short or looks like it's for kids. 160 full color pages are quite a lot, and the little touches such as elastic band, cover stitching and tattered and torn pages are very nice. I really enjoyed the fabricated objects of the era, such as matchbooks, fliers and clippings. While there are no loose objects (objects are printed on the page), I'm sure if they WERE loose the price of the journal would be MUCH higher. I give it a 5/5 :whip:

As for the discrepancy with Old Indy having a copy of journal in YIJ Chronicles while the Lost Journal lost its tattered cover ages ago and was just recovered, my theory is this:

Shortly after the events of TLC (1938), Indy's journal was becoming to tattered and worn to continue to be used. So he removed a majority of his early years (leaving select pages in the Lost Journal for reasons of his own) and rebound them in a replacement journal that resembled his old journal and kept it safe for later studies and recounting memories. This replacement journal is what was seen in the YIJC. The lost journal was rebound in a journal reminiscent of his fathers diary, complete with a signature on the cover and elastic band. This journal continued to be written in and used up until 1957 when obtained by the soviets. Sometime in the 1990's the diary was returned to Dr. Jones and he returned the early years pages (1908-1918) to the replacement YIJ journal. ;)

[Stoo]

Once you see how pathetic it is you'll leave it on the shelf too.You're nuts!:p Just bought it today and LOVE it!:up: Recommended reading.
It's crammed with stuff and I'll be poring over this one for awhile.

[tupogirl]

Border's had a (rare) 40% off coupon and since I had extra gas money from a failed girl's road trip...I bought it.


I love it, I love it, I love it! So glad I listened to WeAreGoingToDie!!!

[WeAreGoingToDie]

Border's had a (rare) 40% off coupon and since I had extra gas money from a failed girl's road trip...I bought it.

I did the same with the 40% off coupon! Glad you took the advice tupogirl. :whip:

I find myself flipping through the journal while watching the theatrical/YIJ movies, its a fun companion to the films.

[tupogirl]

I did the same with the 40% off coupon! Glad you took the advice tupogirl. :whip:

I find myself flipping through the journal while watching the theatrical/YIJ movies, its a fun companion to the films.

Woohoo!! I keep going through and showing things to my husband, who is being nice and polite about the whole thing, lol. I had to show stuff to the kids too. They are not quite on the bandwagon yet.

[LawgSkrak]

Bought this today at WalMart for 20 dollars Canadian.

Haven't had a chance to read the whole thing, but it looks VERY interesting.

Worth the money to me. :)

[Ignatius Stone]

This is also a good book, very nicely put together. :up:

[tupogirl]

Then I went to see the movie, came home and went through it again and laughed my head off at the ad...

[Lord_glavin]

just finished reading the whole thing

the note from short round on the end made my day lol

[Nurhachi1991]

I just got this today its freaking great! I have always wanted a grail diary and this is the closet thing I will get!




The full picture of Willie with her autograph is just fantastic

[Nurhachi1991]

Why did Indy not write about his father and Marcus dying? You think that would be a major thing to happen in his life



Also not one picture of Marcus?

[martinland]

I have always wanted a grail diary and this is the closet thing I will get!You do know they made one (about 60 pages) as part of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - The Graphic Adventure?
You may find floppy disk versions of the game including the diary relatively cheap on that *bay place... :up:

[Montana_Jones]

This was a fun read for $25.
I should look for a complete floppy version of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Should be great playing it again on ScummVM.

[Michael24]

My copy of The Lost Journal arrived today. I've only thumbed through it at the moment, but it looks great. I like Indy's comment about Willie: "I could go to New Delhi and back in the time it probably took her to do her hair..." I also cracked up at Indy's list of Willie's pros and cons, with "Speaks her mind" listed under both. LMAO!!

I also love how Short Round got ahold of the journal and made his own entries, like his sketches of Willie screaming and his note saying "This is Willie. She is really loud. I like it better when just me and Dr. Jones." :D

[Nurhachi1991]

One question though why does it talk about FOA but not IM?

[Agent Crab]

I picked up me a copy of this book today at my Barnes and Nobel. Heh.. I like the Short Round parts.

[Michael24]

One question though why does it talk about FOA but not IM?
That is curious. I think it also leaves out Temple of the Forbidden Eye, which I was hoping it would include.

[Indy_Chic]

Just got my copy yesterday and I love it! Especially Shortie's sketches about Willie, and burning Indy with fire LOL! :D

[Nurhachi1991]

Yeah Temple of the Forbidden eye would have been cool!





Im using my Journal as a year book because I do not have 100.00 to spend on one :rolleyes: just the back brown pages with nothing on them

[Man With A Hat]

Hi all,

Apologies if this is in another thread, but I couldn't find it. I was wondering, the diary Indy leafs through in KoTCS is his, not his dad's, correct? If so, what did it contain, and has anyone seen enough to make a replica yet?

Again, sorry..this is my 2nd post.

[Shark_Blade]

I saw this book in the store today. Should I get it? Is it worth it?

[Stoo]

I saw this book in the store today. Should I get it? Is it worth it?It depends on what you're into. If you're interested in the Indy timeline, then YES, absolutely! If you're a "film only guy", then no.
Anyway, have you read the entire thread? (Start at page 4) It might give you a better idea on whether it's worth it or not.:)

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah I have. Some people like it, some don't. I got the bookstore people to unwrapped it so I can see it's content (they won't let people read for free).

It's really colorful but the things inside it are merely a nod to the movies, recyling things again and again (such as Marion/Indy comparison with the monkey, Shorty's "ha ha I beat you Dr. Jones", repetitive words we've heard before and such.

But I feel like it's a side read/comic relief and to be taken light heartedly.
It's like JK Rowlings' Quidditch Through The Ages and Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them.:up:

So I think I'll grab a copy just because I like the fun referencing, although I do wish it could be more in-depth and more Indy's personal thoughts were put into the Journal.;)

[Indy Pendant]

Yeah I have. Some people like it, some don't. I got the bookstore people to unwrapped it so I can see it's content (they won't let people read for free).


Your local bookstore had to unwrap it because they don't let people read for free? That's one weird bookstore. Saturday, I read an entire novel just sitting in a bookstore cafe, and the "barista" at the cafe knew it.

Anyway, I think I'll buy Indy's lost journal if I get another gigantic coupon at Borders.

[Shark_Blade]

I'd say that non-novel books are all sealed in plastic wrappings. DK Ultimate Guide, The Complete Making of, and The Lost Journal are wrapped, but the James Rollins, and other Indy novels are not.

Same goes with all other books = novels mostly are not wrapped like Harry Potter, Golden Compass, books about religion,etc.. but boooks like programming, game guides, Gordon Ramsay recipe book, Batman comics and learning language books are all sealed.

The unwrapped ones you can read at your leisure in the bookstore, whether on the bench provided, the little wooden stairs or on the floor.

[Indy Pendant]

I'd say that non-novel books are all sealed in plastic wrappings. DK Ultimate Guide, The Complete Making of, and The Lost Journal are wrapped, but the James Rollins, and other Indy novels are not.


Ahh. I was just able to flip open The Complete Making of Indiana Jones to make the very easy decision of whether to buy it. Right now it's a coffee table book. The Ultimate Guide is also just sitting, open, on the bookstore shelves.

[Golddragon71]

Hi all,

Apologies if this is in another thread, but I couldn't find it. I was wondering, the diary Indy leafs through in KoTCS is his, not his dad's, correct? If so, what did it contain, and has anyone seen enough to make a replica yet?

Again, sorry..this is my 2nd post.

It's his own personal Journal. and there's a licensed copy available now called the lost Journal of Indiana Jones. It includes some entries from the young Indy series as well as TOD RotLA LC and finally a few bits for KotCS

[Man With A Hat]

Just got it today, was a little disappointed the store didn't have The IJ Handbook, this looks good too at least in ads.

Those of you that have read it, is it 'real', within the IJ universe, or just another piece of merchandising?

[Junior Jones]

Those of you that have read it, is it 'real', within the IJ universe, or just another piece of merchandising?

A lot of the dates don't match up with other things, like DK's Ultimate Guide. But who's to say which is right and which is wrong?

[Man With A Hat]

I've just bought the Lost Journal and the DK Guide, and of the two I like them both equally. I recently found the Indy novels, can you believe that? I didn't know they existed. I was a little disappointed with the Journal as some of the items that I believe should have been 'interactive', the tickets and such were just drawings and the like. Also, I thought that there should have been more things 'written' by Indy himself.

All in all, I did find it to be a fun read. Shame that Indy's dad's Grail Diary wasn't made available like Indy's was.

[Lonsome_Drifter]

One thing that bothered me about the Lost Journal.
In the section when Young Indy meets Fedora for the first time. He draws a very good portrait of Fedora and on the very next page he draws a crappy looking cobra that looks traced.

Either he can draw good or he can't.

[HovitosKing]

One thing that bothered me about the Lost Journal.
In the section when Young Indy meets Fedora for the first time. He draws a very good portrait of Fedora and on the very next page he draws a crappy looking cobra that looks traced.

Either he can draw good or he can't.

He hates snakes, and didn't want to spend a lot of time drawing that cobra. Just quickly traced it and moved on, because it was an unnerving piece of artwork, would be my guess. Plus, when he leafs back through the journal in the future, he won't have a realistic-looking cobra to pop off the page and scare the crap out of him.

[Stoo]

One thing that bothered me about the Lost Journal.
In the section when Young Indy meets Fedora for the first time. He draws a very good portrait of Fedora and on the very next page he draws a crappy looking cobra that looks traced.That's one of things I laughed at the most when I first bought it! "Oh, Indy can draw, too?":confused:
(He sketches an oryx in a Young Indy episode but it's crude in comparison. Whatever...)
The book has heart in it and (although aimed at kids) I consider the illustrations a plus.:D

[Kooshmeister]

I picked this thing up at Barnes and Noble and I have a question for those of you who already own it. There are two pages torn out of it about midway through. Is this intentional, to add to the "authentic" feel of it being an old journal, or did I unknowingly purchase a damaged book?

I can't tell which it is.

[HellofaSandwich]

It's intentional -- there's a special note that says that those pages were removed.

[Kooshmeister]

Ah, okay, good. Thanks. Phew. For a second I thought I'd gotten a damaged copy! :eek: :D

[Jeremiah Jones]

To me the oddest thing about the journal will always be the page where Indy and his dad compare weapons. Just picture it, Indy humming the Indy theme to himself as he carefully finishes off sketching his whip...

I was also annoyed by the lack of Young Indy, the whole war and Indy writes one thing, sure, its not so much a Diary as a scrapbook he keeps forgetting about.

Its still fun though.

Oh and according to the Nazi Wanted posters from LC, Henry Sr. was only 9 years old Indy was born. Interesting.

[Kooshmeister]

I like Short Round's description of Mola Ram. "Crazy guy who makes Dr. Jones crazy."

[indyclone25]

i finally got a copy of the lost journal and i was a bit pissed when i found torn pages but after reading the following page it mention s that its missing four pages so i was relieved , nice book , just glad i was able to find a copy a year later ---

[graveraider87]

I just got my copy of the lost journal through amazon and it is totally a must have for indy fans! It amazing. :gun:

[Short Rounded]

I just got my copy of the lost journal through amazon and it is totally a must have for indy fans! It amazing. :gun:
The only thing I was dissapointed about though was that there were no loose props in it.:(

[Jeremiah Jones]

Its hardly 'amazing' I was pretty dissapointed in it to be honest. Indy never seems to 'write' in his diary; just doodle. Nothing on Young Indy, nothing on the anything between the movies, nothing we didn't know, just some strange sketches of his whip and stuff. This coulda been soooo much better

[Goonie]

i finally got a copy of the lost journal and i was a bit pissed when i found torn pages but after reading the following page it mention s that its missing four pages so i was relieved , nice book , just glad i was able to find a copy a year later ---

LOL, if you are on the COW board, Indy Magnoli mentioned what were on these missing pages, as well as some easter eggs he put on a few pages.

[Stoo]

Really? Goonie, do tell (or point the way)!:whip:

[dr.jones1986]

Its hardly 'amazing' I was pretty dissapointed in it to be honest. Indy never seems to 'write' in his diary; just doodle. Nothing on Young Indy, nothing on the anything between the movies, nothing we didn't know, just some strange sketches of his whip and stuff. This coulda been soooo much better

I agree that it was disappointing. For me the worst part was the fact that almost all of the dates were contradictory to the Ultimate Guide. Its not that hard to get an organized time line. Lucas Licensing should have put more effort into this. There are some nice pictures in it though however so it wasn't a bad purchase.

[Lao_Che]

Its hardly 'amazing' I was pretty dissapointed in it to be honest. Indy never seems to 'write' in his diary; just doodle. Nothing on Young Indy, nothing on the anything between the movies, nothing we didn't know, just some strange sketches of his whip and stuff. This coulda been soooo much better

Belloq's journal has lift up flaps!

[Short Rounded]

Belloq's journal has lift up flaps!
There is a Belloq journal?!!! :-0 Where can I find that?

[Stoo]

It's Belloq's and Belloq's son's diary...U.K. only (and Australia, re: Violet).

The Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=16732)

[Violet Indy]

Just clarifying (as it doesn't say in the link Stoo provided) that yes the Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones aka Belloq's and Belloq's son's diary is still avaliable in good bookstores in Australia as is pretty much all KOTCS releases (particularly in Border's). The books lacking in avaliability here are Complete Making of, the original trilogy novels (adult versions), the adult novel reprints, the latest Omnibus and copies of TotG's. And yeah, the Topps cards have totally disappeared (still haven't finished the collection, grrr) and there is no Indy Masterpiece Topps cards here.

[Short Rounded]

Just clarifying (as it doesn't say in the link Stoo provided) that yes the Greatest Adventures of Indiana Jones aka Belloq's and Belloq's son's diary is still avaliable in good bookstores in Australia as is pretty much all KOTCS releases (particularly in Border's). The books lacking in avaliability here are Complete Making of, the original trilogy novels (adult versions), the adult novel reprints, the latest Omnibus and copies of TotG's. And yeah, the Topps cards have totally disappeared (still haven't finished the collection, grrr) and there is no Indy Masterpiece Topps cards here.
Its a shame Greatest Adventures was only published in the UK.:(

[Stoo]

LOL, if you are on the COW board, Indy Magnoli mentioned what were on these missing pages, as well as some easter eggs he put on a few pages.Been wanting to know about these things for awhile now! Please, point the way, Goonie!:whip:

Its a shame Greatest Adventures was only published in the UK.Yes, it's a shame but as Violet reported above, it was also released in Australia...plus, throwmetheidol has a French version.

[AnnieJones]

They call it The Lost Journal because it was found in Peru,South America,2008,but if you're going by old Indy he had the journal all his life.It even shows old Indy holding it in the London,May 1916 deleted bookend episode and it shows him holding it in the end credits.Unless,for arguments sake(as a way of explaining the story as to how he lost it and still has it),we say he lost the journal and replaced it with another journal,a brand new cover that looks the same as his first one,and then he put all of(if not most of)the same information in it.
Because I personally,still consider old Indy part of the canon and always will.I like old Indy even if George Lucas won't use his bookends or consider him part of the canon anymore.

[lao che & sons]

annie,

I'm pretty sure it was found in peru 1957 by the russians and then in 2008 it was retrieved from a russian archive;)

[goodeknight]

annie,

I'm pretty sure it was found in peru 1957 by the russians and then in 2008 it was retrieved from a russian archive;)

So, I guess Indy got it back sometime between 1957 and 2008, used it a while again in the 80s and 90s, had those new pages torn out at some point, and then lost it once again to the Russians. (I hate those guys.)

Realistically, Indy would have had a shelf full of journals. He certainly wouldn't have been carrying around the same one his dad gave him when he was a kid.

I have the Lost Journal, and found it a fun read. Nice to have sitting around, too. When we watched Raiders with my son for the first time, I showed him the Lost Journal and he really started to wonder, "Is Dad really Indy?" That was a cool moment.

[AnnieJones]

annie,

I'm pretty sure it was found in peru 1957 by the russians and then in 2008 it was retrieved from a russian archive;)Oops! Sorry,that's what I meant to say,found in 1957,then released in 2008.
Thanks for correcting me.:up: :hat:

So, I guess Indy got it back sometime between 1957 and 2008, used it a while again in the 80s and 90s, had those new pages torn out at some point, and then lost it once again to the Russians.I agree,sounds plausible.:up:
Realistically, Indy would have had a shelf full of journals. He certainly wouldn't have been carrying around the same one his dad gave him when he was a kid.Yeah,I guess that sounds believable,because he lived a full and adventurous life,that he would have more than one journal to write it all in and we could say that he liked the cover so much that he kept buying the same type of journal.
I have the Lost Journal, and found it a fun read. Nice to have sitting around, too. When we watched Raiders with my son for the first time, I showed him the Lost Journal and he really started to wonder, "Is Dad really Indy?" That was a cool moment.Aww,that's a cute story.Thanks for sharing that with us.:up:

[dr.jones1986]

I was confused by the fact that it says that it is property of the Russian Federation...the successor state to the USSR. Yet intside it says that they are sending this information to their chinese, korean and cuban commrades. I found this confusing being as Russia isn't communist anymore. I got this book at the same time as the Ultimate Guide and I couldn't believe how much conflicting information was in them. I would have thought lucasfilm would have done a better job with that. Still worth owning though.

[dr.jones1986]

They call it The Lost Journal because it was found in Peru,South America,2008,but if you're going by old Indy he had the journal all his life.It even shows old Indy holding it in the London,May 1916 deleted bookend episode and it shows him holding it in the end credits.Unless,for arguments sake(as a way of explaining the story as to how he lost it and still has it),we say he lost the journal and replaced it with another journal,a brand new cover that looks the same as his first one,and then he put all of(if not most of)the same information in it.
Because I personally,still consider old Indy part of the canon and always will.I like old Indy even if George Lucas won't use his bookends or consider him part of the canon anymore.

I have a feeling old Indy has gone the same way as Sebastian Shaw's Anakin Skywalker at the end of ROTJ...

[AnnieJones]

I have a feeling old Indy has gone the same way as Sebastian Shaw's Anakin Skywalker at the end of ROTJ...I know,it's sad to say,because I really like old Indy.Oh well.:(

[Crack that whip]

I have a feeling old Indy has gone the same way as Sebastian Shaw's Anakin Skywalker at the end of ROTJ...

That's quite possible, but at least for the time being, there's a critical difference. Sebastian Shaw's appearance as an older Anakin (the way he would presumably have looked had he lived to that time without ever having become Darth Vader) wasn't merely dropped, but outright replaced by a new, different portrayal that specifically depicts a (visually) different new version of his spirit form.

With Old Indy, the segments have merely been dropped, with no new "alternate" information presented anywhere that specifically refutes them (well, except for some of the chronology and other details of his stories, but not the basic idea of an extremely aged, one-eyed Indy still alive and well in the 1990s, having an extended family and retelling the events of his youth to anyone who'll listen). This is despite the considerable revisions and additions to the rest of the TV show, as well as the addition to the canon of a whole new movie that takes place before the bookends but after everything else. Now, it may well be that George Lucas no longer intends for the George Hall segments to officially represent the twilight years of Indy's life, but so far he hasn't actually issued any sort of edict or anything to that effect, and none of the new material produced since the show ended its original ABC run gives any indication of what goes on in Indy's life anytime after the late 1950s. I think unless and until something actually does, the Old Indy segments should be considered part of the canon (even if only provisionally, with the understanding that a new release or publication can alter their canon status at any time - but then, that's pretty much the way it is with everything else having to do with GL's creations...).

[Exulted Unicron]

I've always gone by the idea that sure, we see Old Indy with his journal, but its A journal, rather than the original. I find it extremely likely that with all Indy's been through since he got the journal from his father in 1908, he'd keep more than one copy. What with the huge amount of unexpected "baths" and all that.

[dr.jones1986]

That's quite possible, but at least for the time being, there's a critical difference. Sebastian Shaw's appearance as an older Anakin (the way he would presumably have looked had he lived to that time without ever having become Darth Vader) wasn't merely dropped, but outright replaced by a new, different portrayal that specifically depicts a (visually) different new version of his spirit form.

With Old Indy, the segments have merely been dropped, with no new "alternate" information presented anywhere that specifically refutes them (well, except for some of the chronology and other details of his stories, but not the basic idea of an extremely aged, one-eyed Indy still alive and well in the 1990s, having an extended family and retelling the events of his youth to anyone who'll listen). This is despite the considerable revisions and additions to the rest of the TV show, as well as the addition to the canon of a whole new movie that takes place before the bookends but after everything else. Now, it may well be that George Lucas no longer intends for the George Hall segments to officially represent the twilight years of Indy's life, but so far he hasn't actually issued any sort of edict or anything to that effect, and none of the new material produced since the show ended its original ABC run gives any indication of what goes on in Indy's life anytime after the late 1950s. I think unless and until something actually does, the Old Indy segments should be considered part of the canon (even if only provisionally, with the understanding that a new release or publication can alter their canon status at any time - but then, that's pretty much the way it is with everything else having to do with GL's creations...).

Well the Mutt character was never mentioned in the old Indy cutscenes but a daughter was. We know he only had one kid with Marion and being as Marion is almost 50 by the time they get married in KotKS, they aren't having anymore. The fact they are cut seems pretty safe to say that Lucas didnt like it. I doubt he will ever make an offical statment on it, being as it wouldn't make him anymore money...I kid Georgie Boy :p

[AnnieJones]

I've always gone by the idea that sure, we see Old Indy with his journal, but its A journal, rather than the original. I find it extremely likely that with all Indy's been through since he got the journal from his father in 1908, he'd keep more than one copy. What with the huge amount of unexpected "baths" and all that.Yes,we already discussed this idea on page 13 (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=10995&page=13) of this thread and I think it's a brilliant idea.:up: We know he only had one kid with Marion and being as Marion is almost 50 by the time they get married in KotKS, they aren't having anymore.I did offer a "menopausal baby" theory in my Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood's Daughter (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18865) thread.

[dr.jones1986]

Yes,we already discussed this idea on page 13 (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=10995&page=13) of this thread and I think it's a brilliant idea.:up: I did offer a "menopausal baby" theory in my Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood's Daughter (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18865) thread.

The Journal has the same cover, I guess he just gets lucky and is able to always find a brown journal with an Ibis on the cover.

You did put alot of work into that theory but Im not buying it. Old Indy was cut out of the DVD realeases of the show which conincided with the release of KotCS. It seems pretty clear Lucas cut that cause it would conflict with the new movie he was getting ready to release.

[Montana Smith]

The Journal has the same cover, I guess he just gets lucky and is able to always find a brown journal with an Ibis on the cover.

You did put alot of work into that theory but Im not buying it. Old Indy was cut out of the DVD realeases of the show which conincided with the release of KotCS. It seems pretty clear Lucas cut that cause it would conflict with the new movie he was getting ready to release.

I don't think there's necessarily any conflict as Indy was a bit of a womanizer and could well have had a daughter by another partner in 1952. As with Mutt, Indy may not have known about her until later (after KOTCS). And as for not mentioning his son Mutt in the TV series, well, Mutt is an entirely forgettable character. ;) Indy could well have fallen out with him and become estranged, and devoted more time to his daughter.

[AnnieJones]

The Journal has the same cover, I guess he just gets lucky and is able to always find a brown journal with an Ibis on the cover.

You did put alot of work into that theory but Im not buying it. Old Indy was cut out of the DVD realeases of the show which conincided with the release of KotCS. It seems pretty clear Lucas cut that cause it would conflict with the new movie he was getting ready to release.Yes I know.I just wanted to do the theory for the fun of it,to see what it would be like if George,at the last minute,decided to keep Indy's daughter as part of the canon(like I wished he would have always done).But like I said,in these situations,it's fun to theorize.:up:

[Crack that whip]

Well the Mutt character was never mentioned in the old Indy cutscenes but a daughter was. We know he only had one kid with Marion and being as Marion is almost 50 by the time they get married in KotKS, they aren't having anymore. The fact they are cut seems pretty safe to say that Lucas didnt like it. I doubt he will ever make an offical statment on it, being as it wouldn't make him anymore money...I kid Georgie Boy :p

In fairness, he put a lot of additional time, money and effort into Young Indy even long after it was clear it was never going to be a moneymaker. But about cutting Old Indy...

The Journal has the same cover, I guess he just gets lucky and is able to always find a brown journal with an Ibis on the cover.

You did put alot of work into that theory but Im not buying it. Old Indy was cut out of the DVD realeases of the show which conincided with the release of KotCS. It seems pretty clear Lucas cut that cause it would conflict with the new movie he was getting ready to release.

Old Indy was cut from the show long before the new movie, actually; in fact, it began while the show was still running. As you might be aware, Mystery of the Blues was originally broadcast in the US as Young Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Blues, and aired as a regular Young Indiana Jones Chronicles episode complete with the opening title, but outside the US it was run as two separate episodes, "Chicago, April 1920" and "Chicago, May 1920," and these two episodes had different bookends, set not in 1950 and starring Harrison Ford as middle-aged Indy, but in contemporary times and starring George Hall as old Indy.

Rick McCallum said in an interview many years ago that they decided to do the different bookends (with Harrison Ford) because after the show had been on a while, they realized the Old Indy bookends "were not working" - not that the events in them weren't canon or anything, but that viewers simply weren't responding favorably or something to the Old Indy segments, as far as I can determine. :( Eventually they began running shows without any bookends at all, and that was many years before the script for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull finally got hammered out. And when the series finally got its initial (partial) home video release in the US in 1999 - on VHS, as part of "The Complete Adventures of Indiana Jones" - it had already been reconfigured into its "The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones" format, with all the George Hall / Old Indy bookends dropped and the one-hour episodes melded together into two-hour (well, 90 minute) movies. That was eight or nine years and at least a couple major script revisions before the fourth feature film came out. Whatever one thinks about the decision to drop the old Indy bookends, it was clearly done for reasons having nothing to do with conflicts with the family history established in KotCS.

And FWIW, while the bookend sequences have been omitted from this latest version of the show, many of the shows now end with a shot of Old Indy's hands closing the journal, which suggests a 90-something Indy is still part of the canon, in at least some small way. Again, FWIW, of course...

All this isn't to say the bookends are definitively canon; the fact that they've been excised at all certainly suggests at least the possibility that they aren't (whatever the reason for their removal), but I also think it's not out of the question they hold the same canon status as, say, the scenes with Luke and Biggs and their friends on Tatooine that were famously deleted from the original Star Wars - they could well still be part of the canon, the body of Indy "fact, "just not part (any longer) of the actual shows that we, the viewers, get to see.

[AnnieJones]

It's a shame they don't have old Indy as part of the series anymore.It's a good thing we have Stoo!:up:

[Crack that whip]

It's a shame they don't have old Indy as part of the series anymore.It's a good thing we have Stoo!:up:

Indeed, it's a good thing we have Stoo for more reasons than just his "Old Indiana Jones Chronicles" on YouTube! He's one of the finest contributors to the Raven. :)

[dr.jones1986]

In fairness, he put a lot of additional time, money and effort into Young Indy even long after it was clear it was never going to be a moneymaker. But about cutting Old Indy...



Old Indy was cut from the show long before the new movie, actually; in fact, it began while the show was still running. As you might be aware, Mystery of the Blues was originally broadcast in the US as Young Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Blues, and aired as a regular Young Indiana Jones Chronicles episode complete with the opening title, but outside the US it was run as two separate episodes, "Chicago, April 1920" and "Chicago, May 1920," and these two episodes had different bookends, set not in 1950 and starring Harrison Ford as middle-aged Indy, but in contemporary times and starring George Hall as old Indy.

Rick McCallum said in an interview many years ago that they decided to do the different bookends (with Harrison Ford) because after the show had been on a while, they realized the Old Indy bookends "were not working" - not that the events in them weren't canon or anything, but that viewers simply weren't responding favorably or something to the Old Indy segments, as far as I can determine. :( Eventually they began running shows without any bookends at all, and that was many years before the script for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull finally got hammered out. And when the series finally got its initial (partial) home video release in the US in 1999 - on VHS, as part of "The Complete Adventures of Indiana Jones" - it had already been reconfigured into its "The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones" format, with all the George Hall / Old Indy bookends dropped and the one-hour episodes melded together into two-hour (well, 90 minute) movies. That was eight or nine years and at least a couple major script revisions before the fourth feature film came out. Whatever one thinks about the decision to drop the old Indy bookends, it was clearly done for reasons having nothing to do with conflicts with the family history established in KotCS.

And FWIW, while the bookend sequences have been omitted from this latest version of the show, many of the shows now end with a shot of Old Indy's hands closing the journal, which suggests a 90-something Indy is still part of the canon, in at least some small way. Again, FWIW, of course...

All this isn't to say the bookends are definitively canon; the fact that they've been excised at all certainly suggests at least the possibility that they aren't (whatever the reason for their removal), but I also think it's not out of the question they hold the same canon status as, say, the scenes with Luke and Biggs and their friends on Tatooine that were famously deleted from the original Star Wars - they could well still be part of the canon, the body of Indy "fact, "just not part (any longer) of the actual shows that we, the viewers, get to see.

Regardless, I think its pretty safe to say after KotKS that the bookends arent canon anymore. Especially being as the Ultimate guide shows the timeline of Indy's life and does not go past the events of 1957. Leland Chee who is in charge of what is canon for both SW and IJ worked on the book and if it were still deemed canon by lucasfilm it would have been included in that timeline. They had a lot of pretty obscure Indy stuff mentioned in that timeline, such as a French book series, so its not like they forgot. No one is ever gonna come out and publicly say that something isn't canon anymore. For example we know the past stories of Boba Fett from books, such as the "Tales of the Bounty Hunters" are no longer canon anymore because of AOTC. There are several other examples from SW where the prequels have rendered older material to be ousted from the canon. KotKS did that to the old Indy bookends. Hell, with this new Clone Wars show we are seeing it even more with SW and many of the stuff that is no longer part of the canon is only a couple years old.

As for my comments on Lucas I was only kidding. I actually think people are often to hard on him. I can't think of a better story teller in Hollywood. I mean Peter Jackson gets all this praise but his movies don't feature orginal stories he created. He took a book series and turned it into a movie and did an updated version of a classic film from the 30's. Lucas created the stories for both SW and IJ, 2 classic series, both of which are very originial. Sure there was some silly elements in the SW prequels and KotCS, but most people still enjoyed them. I think Lucas deserves a little more respect than he is often given.