Patrick Schoenmaker Indy art

[No Ticket]

I didn't know where to post this. Feedback maybe? Announcements is for official announcements only so I can't post it in there. But I just wanted to take a moment and say how awesome the artwork is on the new TheRaider.net header image by Patrick Schoenmaker. I e-mailed him a few weeks ago or so and mentioned how much I liked his original image and he said it inspired him to make this new one!!

I think his artwork is incredible and if they ever made an Indiana Jones cartoon series, I think he should be involved somewhat as an animator or art director or something... his style would be amazing in motion.

Anybody else like it?

[ClintonHammond]

It looks like the kids from "Undergrads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undergrads)"

[VP]

Too cartooney, I hate it. Especially Short Round. Dennis Budd is way better.

[ResidentAlien]

Too cartooney, I hate it. Especially Short Round. Dennis Budd is way better.

I agree. I much prefer Budd's work.

[Deadlock]

"Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder." ;)

(Oh and keep up the good work, Patrick.)

[Niteshade007]

I didn't think it was that bad. It's certainly very cartoony, but it's something different we haven't seen.

[No Ticket]

Nothing wrong with cartoony IMO. I think it looks very professional. The backgrounds are very detailed as well. Even if you don't like the style, I would think you could appreciate the artistry. I like Dennis Budd too, I don't "hate" either of their work.

I just can't believe so many people here don't like it. Is it because you relate "cartoony" to being "kid-like." Because that's ignorant. I have always liked the cartoon style of artwork... I thought Samurai Jack was a beautifully animated series as was Star Wars Clone Wars. This artwork reminds me slightly of those, although I think it's more in the style of something like the movie "Iron Giant."

[ResidentAlien]

Nothing wrong with "cartoony" ...just that particular type of cartoony. It screams of that Cartoon Network faux-anime style that's so popular. It's just an ugly, unfortunate style of animation.

[Kingsley]

I like it.
Hope the answers in this thread don't discourage him from make more ;) .

[No Ticket]

Nothing wrong with "cartoony" ...just that particular type of cartoony. It screams of that Cartoon Network faux-anime style that's so popular. It's just an ugly, unfortunate style of animation.

It's not at all that "faux-anime" style that you speak of. Maybe in the hands, but the facial features to me, seem more like that of a recent Disney film. I'm talking The Emperor's New Groove or something of that sort. I've seen plenty of anime (I even collected anime animation cels as well as american animation) and I'd have to say it's more traditional than it is that "faux-anime" style.

[ResidentAlien]

It's not at all that "faux-anime" style that you speak of. Maybe in the hands, but the facial features to me, seem more like that of a recent Disney film. I'm talking The Emperor's New Groove or something of that sort. I've seen plenty of anime (I even collected anime animation cels as well as american animation) and I'd have to say it's more traditional than it is that "faux-anime" style.


Disney's animation hasn't been worth a damn in a loooong time.

It's a shame too, cause works like Alice in Wonderland are phenomenal in every way.

...that recent style you speak of is pretty awful though...

[No Ticket]

Disney's animation hasn't been worth a damn in a loooong time.

It's a shame too, cause works like Alice in Wonderland are phenomenal in every way.

...that recent style you speak of is pretty awful though...

To each his own, I don't think so. Alice in Wonderland does have good animation, but so did more recent efforts like Aladdin or The Lion King. You can't tell me the animation wasn't good in those movies.

[ResidentAlien]

To each his own, I don't think so. Alice in Wonderland does have good animation, but so did more recent efforts like Aladdin or The Lion King. You can't tell me the animation wasn't good in those movies.

I wasn't referring to those... granted, I don't think much of those films themselves, but it's not because of the animation...

I was more referring to Hercules, Mulan, Pocahontas and other more recent endeavors. So early-to-mid 90s on up has given us some rather awful stuff from Disney.

[No Ticket]

I wasn't referring to those... granted, I don't think much of those films themselves, but it's not because of the animation...

I was more referring to Hercules, Mulan, Pocahontas and other more recent endeavors. So early-to-mid 90s on up has given us some rather awful stuff from Disney.

I agree that Mulan, Hercules and Pocahontas all were bad Disney films, but not because of the animation. Sadly, it's more due to the fact that Disney had already made films of much of the most classic fairy tales and they were running low... that's my opinion. They gave up the "classic" Disney movie feel with musical numbers and such and went on to make stuff like Atlantis and Emperor's New Groove... only to give up 2D animation all-together after horrible films like, whatever that recent one about a farm was.

They rely heavily on 3D animated films now. But, I believe Pixar no longer is under contract by them so they can't rely on the great efforts of Pixar... who, IMO, have all the right stuff to make great family films. Like Toy Story or The Incredibles... great animation, great storytelling, good humor and heart.

[Attila the Professor]

Well, Pixar isn't quite under contract to Disney; Pixar is now part of Disney. So, yeah.

[ResidentAlien]

Oh man, don't even get me started on how much I hate Pixar...

[Niteshade007]

I liked all those movies you mentioned (Hercules, Pocohantas, Mulan). And I thought the Pixar movies were great. I mean, the Toy Story films alone validate that! Add films like Finding Nemo and the Incredible's, and you have a great collection of films. The weakest in the series are Bug's Life and Cars, but both are enjoyable to watch.

[Attila the Professor]

Oh man, don't even get me started on how much I hate Pixar...

Why is that, actually? I don't recall if it came out why you felt that way in the thread about Pixar or not.

[ResidentAlien]

Why is that, actually? I don't recall if it came out why you felt that way in the thread about Pixar or not.

I just think they're impressive animation for the sake of impressive animation. Be they children's films or not, they're still incredibly formulaic. They've taken the blockbuster formula... expensive production values, lotsa visual w***ery and positively no substance. If I'm to watch children's films (as I still do... with some frequency in fact) I want something that doesn't patronize the audience. Two personal favorites for instance are Labyrinth and Mirror Mask. Both have great production values, but on top of that they have wonderfully developed characters and thematic material. They transcend merely two dimensional good-vs-bad story arcs. Mirror Mask in particular; there's the wonderfully layered character of the mother (aka the queen) who despite the admiration her daughter feels for her is still depicted as a darker more menacing person. There's duality there--the characters are flawed despite their good intentions which really impresses me in a children's story.

But yeah, Pixar films... none of that. It's just bland and predictable.

Toy Story I don't mind mainly because it was so cutting edge at the time... it's an interesting milestone for digital filmmaking. But the rest of those films do nothing for me.

[Attila the Professor]

I feel the need to disagree. Consider the most recent, Ratatouille. Creativity and the creative process are remarkably difficult things to deal with in film, and this one works phenomenally well. As such, I don't feel they do patronize the audience. The emotional high point of the film is a defense of cultural criticism...how likely is that, in any film, animated or otherwise? The Incredibles and Ratatouille together constitute a rather exciting defense of excellence that you will rarely find in film, perhaps the most self-consciously democratic of mediums. There's some real nuance in these films, and they're also genuinely funny through their use of character humor, which isn't the easiest thing to come by. The good vs. bad elements that appear in these films are usually merely background to the characters in them. Yes, there has been a tendency for most of them to be buddy films in one way or another (although I'd argue that in itself is refreshing in opposition to a love narrative or a good vs. bad narrative), but even there, they've been consistently exploring the ways in which the buddy film can work, from the delusion-based antagonism of Toy Story to the Seven Samurai-charged Bug's Life to the third wheel child element of Monsters Inc., and the partnership requisite for our leads in Ratatouille.

And it's not as thought the technique isn't well-used, nor that immersion into a different world isn't something that counts. Leaving aside entirely the advances that were made between Toy Story and the later films, the realms they inhabit are far different. Toy Story and its sequel were basically in a real world, as was A Bug's Life. Finding Nemo was appropriately whimsical and colorful for what was partially a buddy film-twist on the overcoming of anxiety, while The Incredibles fully inhabited the world of James Bond, superheroes, and the mod era.

You're entitled to your opinion, obviously, especially since you are one of the most consistently well-arguing Raveners I've known, but I do feel you've got this one wrong. The Pixar canon thus far has been infused with a genuine sense of the loss and disappoints inherent in human life, even though their characters may be toys, bugs, or a rat with a penchant for fine cuisine, and I'm eager to see what else they produce - especially Brad Bird.

[No Ticket]

You're entitled to your opinion, obviously, especially since you are one of the most consistently well-arguing Raveners I've known, but I do feel you've got this one wrong. The Pixar canon thus far has been infused with a genuine sense of the loss and disappoints inherent in human life, even though their characters may be toys, bugs, or a rat with a penchant for fine cuisine, and I'm eager to see what else they produce - especially Brad Bird.

I think you got that exactly right. I think the animation is beautiful sure, but that's part of their passion in story telling. Before they begin to draw up something they put much time and effort in finding a story worth telling... then they use their exceptional artistry to call up very beautiful and cutting edge animation. Some might scoff that's all it is, but they're missing the mark.

Monsters Inc. is a very original story all-together. Formulaic? Perhaps... but aren't most movies to a point formulaic in some way or another? The loss and disappointments you mention are a huge part of those stories as well. In Toy Story, you learn that nothing in life lasts forever (the new toys coming, Andy growing up or growing out of Woody)... that someone "better" than you may come along and you might get jealous but that doesn't mean that someone else won't still find all the charm in you they always did... (Buzz Lightyear and Andy still loving Woody... heh...)

Anyway, I think you got it right. Well said.

[indytim]

I love Patrick Schoenmaker's animated take on the Indy universe and so have I've created a few computer wallpapers (1024x768) using his work. Click on any of the thumbnails to see the full size version. Enjoy :D

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[Mrs_Fedora]

I think he's brilliant, very good artist. (and he's Dutch... like me!) :D

[Moedred]

If they ever do an animated series, I hope he gets the job. (Many more here (http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.com/).)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d3DZtfzEqcA/SSSd8qMsoDI/AAAAAAAAAOs/GAIL-WJjZ6E/s1600/081019_IndyMasterpiece06_small.jpg

[indytim]

Patrick Schoenmaker (the artist who created the excellent 'Escaping the Tomb' print that went on sale around the time of Crystal Skull's release) has produced two wonderful 'work-in-progress' maquettes of Indy and the ever-faithful Short Round.

If you're familiar with Patrick's take on Indy you'll know his work more than any other I've seen justifies that an animated Indy could work, whether that be on the big or small screen. I'm fortunate enough to own one of the large 'Escaping The Tomb' giclee prints and I assure you that it's a thing of beauty.

Visit the following links for more details. Enjoy :hat:

http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.com/2011/04/indy-animated-maquette.html

http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.com/2011/05/no-time-for-love-dr-jones.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6BFA7wj9nfw/TbVI3E5YGMI/AAAAAAAAAbU/3qi8lWhiwoY/s1600/MaquettePose_Color_01.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TkOv55WfAUA/TbVI3HgRJ3I/AAAAAAAAAbM/nA9OAXLVBes/s1600/20110120_Full_01.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sa0FnQcXCqY/Tdou6xJpY4I/AAAAAAAAAbc/g0ur-Kl5RbU/s1600/20110523_ShortyWIP_01.jpg

[michael]

I've seen his Indy before and that Short Round is awesome.

He produces amazing work, thanks for posting.

[kongisking]

This just makes me bitter at Lucas for not producing a show with this guy as animation advisor. :(

[Rocket Surgeon]

Patrick Schoenmaker has produced two wonderful 'work-in-progress' maquettes of Indy and the ever-faithful Short Round. Sweet. The sculpts are nice, hope the paint comes out nice. Thanks for posting.:hat:

[Moedred]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Hy9jAqeVBBw/T3hG3_1qOKI/AAAAAAAAAiY/b3iVYXl-y88/s800/IndianaJonesLineUp_01.jpg

I've seen this in the twitter feed, just not here yet.

This (http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.com/2011/12/snowy-girl.html) would make a nice snippet from an animated take on McCoy's "Hollow Earth."

[Lance Quazar]

Man, I would give several non-vital body parts to make this a reality. That's gorgeous.


I am lucky enough to have been given as an Xmas gift the wonderful "Escaping the Tomb" print.

[Stoo]

EXCELLENT and inspirational. (Including the animated clip).:up:

I would like to Schoenmaker's take on Willie Scott!

[Lao_Che]

EXCELLENT and inspirational. (Including the animated clip).:up:

I would like to Schoenmaker's take on Willie Scott!

http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/indy-masterpieces-sketchcards.html

http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/topps-indiana-jones-heritage-sketch.html

http://patrickschoenmaker.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/indiana-jones-products.html

If the foreign Indy novels aren't translated simply because no-one asked, maybe we need to pitch to some studios. ;) :(

[Moedred]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vjpzce1uLmY/T7-fc2oWk-I/AAAAAAAAAjg/PmhJjR6GH9g/s1600/081210_IndyBanner07.jpg

[No Ticket]

And I still love his work.

[HenryJunior]

That's some incredible stuff, I really like that look!
:whip:

[No Ticket]

Since i saw this thread popping up again I decided to ask Patrick specifically if he'd ever make a short animated Indiana Jones like he did with that girl in the snow that was linked to earlier in this thread. I told him after all this time, it would be awesome to finally see the images in motion and not just having to imagine them that way. This is the reply I got!

Not to commit myself to something I will never finish (so take this with a little "I hope"), but I've been working on a 1 minute piece of Indy animation that I am planning to start working on again very soon. 1 Minute is a lot of work, but I think it's feasible. It might take a long time to do, especially if I have to do it inbetween regular jobs, but it should be manageable. So, let's hope I'll find some time this summer. It would be great if it could be done when the Indy Blu-ray's are released.

So cross your fingers. Maybe we'll get a little professionally animated Indiana Jones clip. That'd be cool. :up: :hat:

[Mickiana]

Just one criticism. I don't like the way he has made Indy look like a scheming nasty with that squinty, shifty look about the eyes. It's like Indy gone bad.

[Stoo]

So cross your fingers. Maybe we'll get a little professionally animated Indiana Jones clip. That'd be cool. :up: :hat:Good idea to contact him, No Ticket.:) That would be very cool so, yes, fingers crossed.

His style reminds me of the Don Bluth animation for the early '80s "Dragon's Lair" and "Space Ace" arcade games. Am I mistaken or did Patrick Schoenmaker work for Disney at one point?:confused:
Just one criticism. I don't like the way he has made Indy look like a scheming nasty with that squinty, shifty look about the eyes. It's like Indy gone bad.The only minor quibble I have about his Indy design is the rendering of the boots. Other than that, it's a marvelous interpretation.

@Lao Che: Thanks for the links, Leland!;)

[Montana Smith]

Just one criticism. I don't like the way he has made Indy look like a scheming nasty with that squinty, shifty look about the eyes. It's like Indy gone bad.

It depicts a time when Indy was a bad boy. ;)

I love the period style

[Mickiana]

Yeah, 'rogue bad' is ok, but not looking like a used car salesman or a politician who've just conned another customer or constituent. Like I've said, it's the only complaint I've got, otherwise it's all good.

[Montana Smith]

Yeah, 'rogue bad' is ok, but not looking like a used car salesman or a politician who've just conned another customer or constituent. Like I've said, it's the only complaint I've got, otherwise it's all good.

Maybe he just his revenge on Belloq. :D

[Violet]

Every time I see Patrick's stuff, I get depressed-


There's such great potential here- would love to see it happen as an animated series. I actually want that more than Indy 5.

I really love that poster image- kind of reminds me of those vintage posters at Disneyland for the Jungle Cruise and all the old school Disney rides.

[Montana Smith]

There's such great potential here- would love to see it happen as an animated series. I actually want that more than Indy 5.

I'm with you there, but not so much with the overly stylized artwork for a series of films.

For Indy at the present time there's so much more freedom and potential in animation than in live action.

[EddyW]

Hi guys, for some reason I've been hesitant to post my own artwork on this forum, I don't know, it feels a little strange somehow. But I've noticed that others have been posting it and I really enjoy the reactions I get on them, positive or negative. I've been wanting to do a piece of Indy animation for a looong time, but just never got it of the ground properly until a few moths ago. The storyboard is done and at the moment I am slowly taking every single shot through the production fases. My aim is to animated it 2D, as fully as possible, with digitally painted backgrounds. It's going to take some time for me to properly finish it, but I'll try and post an update here every once in a while, to see how you Indy lovers feel about it.

Here's the layout to a shot that will get a camera pan, hence the strange composition and missing legs.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P_bK_rSWj5c/UBuy7zl0AaI/AAAAAAAAAkU/hxOMv8THJJQ/s1600/33_Layout_01.jpg

And here's a background from one of the earlier shots:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7sW6plo54MQ/UAfVeeRP0gI/AAAAAAAAAkA/IwyGNCrYbFA/s1600/02_Tempel_BG_01_small.png

And last but not least a nearly finished shot:
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/46019937" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/46019937">07 StaircaseCollapse</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3894968">Patrick Schoenmaker</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

I hope you don't mind I post it in this thread, I thought it would keep things nice and tidy this way.

[Stoo]

Hi guys, for some reason I've been hesitant to post my own artwork on this forum, I don't know, it feels a little strange somehow. But I've noticed that others have been posting it and I really enjoy the reactions I get on them, positive or negative.Wow, so this whole time EddyW was Patrick Schoenmaker in disguise! Nice to know.:)

Looks excellent so far and can't wait to see more of your animation. We LOVE what you do!:hat:

[JuniorJones]

Ooooh! Exciting!!!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7606548988_1b44eed474_z.jpg