Who is the Hottest Beatle?

[AngieAki]

Who out of the four Beatles do you find the most attractive? Also, if you wish post your favorite (or one of) picture of that Beatle.

Sample Pictures:

Paul
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/abbywashere27/ScreenShot051.jpg

Ringo
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/abbywashere27/ringo.jpg

George
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/abbywashere27/Geroge20.jpg

John
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/abbywashere27/723744a4.jpg

[AngieAki]

I would have to say John and then George... *drools*

[Gear]

High five AngieAki.

Out of those pictures I would have to say George then John.

Paul was cute too although in that pic he almost looks like 007.

Yeshdurday all my troubles shemed so far away.

Love wush such an eashy game to play.

[AngieAki]

High five AngieAki.

Out of those pictures I would have to say George then John.

Paul was cute too although in that pic he almost looks like 007.

Yeshdurday all my troubles shemed so far away.

Love wush such an eashy game to play.

Now it looksh ash though they're here to shtay,

Oh, I believe in yeshdurday.

[Kingsley]

who IS?... well, that only left place for the two remaining beatles. So John and George are out of the contest :dead: :dead:

[indyfan85]

http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/images/beetle.gif

This one really gets me all hot and bothered.

[AngieAki]

who IS?... well, that only left place for the two remaining beatles. So John and George are out of the contest :dead: :dead:
I was going to go back and fix it but I couldn't. :down:

[Gear]

I watched 007 Gold Finger last night (sort of a coincidence) and while in Maimi in the hotel room with the girl he says, as he gets up for some champagn, something about listening to the Beatles. :cool:

*cue 007 chase music*

[AngieAki]

http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/images/beetle.gif

This one really gets me all hot and bothered.
Damn... me too.

[San Holo]

Elvis owns the Beatles:whip:

[NileQT87]

Elvis owns the Beatles:whip:

HELL YES.

the beatles only wished they were as attractive and could sing one tenth as well (don't believe me? look up "danny boy" or "american trilogy" to hear REAL singing). and on the totally superficial level--no contest. elvis was one of the most insanely beautiful men in history and he just oozed charisma. he was also a very giving, nice man (even too much so) who loved his fans and never let anyone forget that his fans put the shirt on his back. he was a very lonely man surrounded by people who were users--and he was too nice and giving. it was both his flaw and strength.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7728/tiki16wk9.jpg

as for the beatles... while i can't stand john lennon... on a superficial level (and even then i feel totally nothing one way or the other)... i guess paul was the cutest of the bunch. none of them were hot, imo--even forgetting the music which i don't like and the annoying counter-culture crapola. and i can't forgive the beatles for their fan-treatment, which was less than stellar, unlike elvis'.

[Adolf Hitler]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Bumblebeedh1.jpg:p

[metalinvader]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/BlueBeetle03.png

FTW

[herr gruber]

HELL YES.

the beatles only wished they were as attractive and could sing one tenth as well (don't believe me? look up "danny boy" or "american trilogy" to hear REAL singing). and on the totally superficial level--no contest. elvis was one of the most insanely beautiful men in history and he just oozed charisma. he was also a very giving, nice man (even too much so) who loved his fans and never let anyone forget that his fans put the shirt on his back. he was a very lonely man surrounded by people who were users--and he was too nice and giving. it was both his flaw and strength.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7728/tiki16wk9.jpg

as for the beatles... while i can't stand john lennon... on a superficial level (and even then i feel totally nothing one way or the other)... i guess paul was the cutest of the bunch. none of them were hot, imo--even forgetting the music which i don't like and the annoying counter-culture crapola. and i can't forgive the beatles for their fan-treatment, which was less than stellar, unlike elvis'.


Why must we always have Elvis fans bashing the Beatles and vice versa? Both are cultural phenomenons and both are just as good as the other! I could comment on how ridiculous Elvis looks in a cape but I would never mention it. Oh, I just did didn't I? Sorry. ;) I could also comment on his karate moves while on stage. Elvis:"Lucky for you I was alert or I might have killed you with a karate chop!"

Finally, The Beatles achieved their immortality through writing their own material, unlike Super Elvis.

[nezobiwan]

Why must we always have Elvis fans bashing the Beatles and vice versa? Both are cultural phenomenons and both are just as good as the other! I could comment on how ridiculous Elvis looks in a cape but I would never mention it. Oh, I just did didn't I? Sorry. ;) I could also comment on his karate moves while on stage. Elvis:"Lucky for you I was alert or I might have killed you with a karate chop!"

Finally, The Beatles achieved their immortality through writing their own material, unlike Super Elvis.

Yeah I don't understand it either. I like them both. Though I must admit the Beatles do have a one-up on the King for writing all of their own material. And all the Beatles survived their drug addictions... but we won't get into that.

[NileQT87]

the beatles DIDN'T write a lot of their early material. do you really think they wrote:

Twist And Shout - The Isley Brothers
Roll Over Beethoven - Chuck Berry
Honey Don't - Carl Perkins
Words Of Love - Buddy Holly
Money - Berry Gordy Jr. and Janie Bradford
Anna (Go To Him) - Arthur Alexander
Act Naturally - Buck Owens
etc...

and that's NOT an elvis quote (the karate chop nonsense)--it wasn't a joke and it wasn't hokey. you're confusing the detractors' crap with the real man. also, have you seen everybody else during the '70s? elvis was elegant and almost normal next to... david bowie, freddie mercury, donnie & marie, patti labelle (tin foil space wear?), the jackson five, the rolling stones (seen mick in a spandex jumpsuit? it's not pretty)... all have awards of shame for their '70s wear that was either iconically odd or a flash of oddness in their careers. elvis was one of the very few who could pull it off.

elvis was an INTERPRETER of music. he was also his own producer in the studio. many of his songs have entirely different arrangements, songs changed genre styles (he was known for his ability to blur the genres of country, blues and gospel until you couldn't tell what the genre of the song was, whereas the originals are very clearly a specific genre) or even different lyrics than their written counterparts. he was also known for humorous improvisation when it came to live performances.

The image is one thing and the human being is another. It's very hard to live up to an image.

and i can't forgive the beatles for some of their fan-treatment. they quit performing live because they couldn't hear themselves over the crowds. they also discovered that their live sound didn't live up to their studio recorded sound. another reason they stopped touring.

elvis on the other hand, lived for touring and his fans... and he toured when he should have been in a hospital. he constantly reminded people that without the fans he wouldn't have the shirt on his back. he told the security guards to let the fans come as close as they wanted (elvis had fans frequently come up on stage and give him surprise hugs--and he was always nice about it, even being amused if they could get past security). in vegas, he took several walks through the audience that security pretty much had a heart attack over.

when the beatles met elvis, they went to his california home (not graceland). one of the incidents while there involved two elvis fangirls snuck into his home and were hiding in his shower (the crowd outside was equally comprised of beatles and elvis fans). well, elvis found them with the beatles in tow. the beatles actually thought he was going to be mean to them and kick them out (they were new to and overwhelmed with dealing with fans). elvis didn't throw them out. he talked to them nicely, explaining that what they did was wrong, but nonetheless gave them kisses and signed autographs. ...and all that in front of the beatles.

at both the audubon drive house (1956) and graceland (1957-1977) he would always have fans lined up either in his yard or behind the graceland gate (and many people jumped his brick wall, including a fan who became one of his memphis mafia and bruce springsteen). he frequently went out to the gate and mingled with the fans. in fact, many of the things he gave away were at that gate--including trucks and motorcycles to fans (as well as random gifts to complete strangers of paying mortgages, hospital bills, giving cars to window shoppers, etc...). one time he lined up all the girls at the gate and kissed every single one. his mother, gladys, when she was alive also used to bake cookies for fans standing in the yard waiting for elvis to drive up on his motorcycle. elvis used to rent the roller rink and the local amusement park at night--and used to take the fans hanging around his house.

his fan appreciation is legendary, as his charity giving--which he did with no media attention at all--and did the majority of it anonymously.

when called to serve in the army, fans wrote the military saying they couldn't draft him, but he wrote the fans and said that he wanted to be treated like anybody else. and he spent 2 years in western germany during the cold war. he could have chosen to do entertainment tours, but he chose to be just one of the boys--pulling k.p., being out all night in the snow, driving jeeps, tanks, etc... and he was respected by his squadron in return--earning the rank of sergeant. he was very respectful of the military, law-enforcement, the president, etc... even when it was unpopular to be so (unlike the hippie culture spread by people like yoko ono and john lennon). he even used to drive about with the police on his motorcycle and actually stopped speeders on the road (he had his own sirens), would go up to their windows and tell them that they were speeding--of course, they'd be in shock.

elvis gave a 1961 benefit concert that helped build the pearl harbor u.s.s. arizona memorial in hawaii.

they were all flawed, sure. elvis' demons killed him. but he never wanted to influence anybody to do anything bad (in fact, he hated illegal drugs, to the point--but nobody, not even doctors at that time knew the dangers of legal prescription pharmaceutical drugs--which is what he did: painkillers for things like glaucoma, medication to fix ailments caused by medication, medication for insomnia, etc...). the beatles, on the other hand, promoted the use of hallucinogenics (lucy in the sky with diamonds???), etc... and not to mention lennon's support of communist ideas (imagine no religion, no countries, no possessions...)--describing imagine as "virtually the communist manifesto", hatred of law enforcement (calling them "pigs"), etc...

elvis presley was a huge patriot who loved his country and sang american trilogy in front of 1.4 billion people in 1973 (only 3 billion people were on earth at the time--more people watched aloha from hawaii than watched man on the moon!) decked out in an american eagle jumpsuit.

and lennon's death? while tragic, his murder was by a disillusioned fan who saw that lennon was a hypocrite for preaching one thing and doing another.

elvis was a lonely man with no real friends, a family life that had fallen apart--at the end he pretty much just had his father (who died 2 years later of a broken heart) and his 9 year old daughter, his infamous manager was taking 50% of what he earned and refused to let him tour worldwide because col. tom parker was an illegal alien from holland without a passport, and severe depression whose only light was getting out on that stage to make people happy--the only love he was getting was from his audience. elvis' story is one of a fallible human man, but a good man.

elvis didn't want to preach free love, lsd, marijuana, communism, bagism, etc... he was much more touched when fans wrote to him saying that his recording of how great thou art gave them the will to live on and not commit suicide. or the time when a little girl who had lost her hair and limbs to cancer had her one last wish to meet elvis--and he told her she was beautiful and kissed her. or his early performance in a quadriplegic center. or his famous picture kissing the march of dimes polio poster child of the year.

when dean martin whooped the beatles on the pop charts in 1965, he wrote a letter to elvis saying that he had done it for them.

while lennon said the beatles were bigger than jesus, elvis stated that he wasn't the king--that jesus was--he was just a man. now who had more humility? there couldn't have been two more different men.

or as elvis put it: "there's not going to be any messages or this and that. i just want to make people happy for that one hour that it comes across." (before his worldwide broadcast of aloha from hawaii.)

elvis presley was the anti-lennon.

[herr gruber]

the beatles DIDN'T write a lot of their early material. do you really think they wrote:

Twist And Shout - The Isley Brothers
Roll Over Beethoven - Chuck Berry
Honey Don't - Carl Perkins
Words Of Love - Buddy Holly
Money - Berry Gordy Jr. and Janie Bradford
Anna (Go To Him) - Arthur Alexander
Act Naturally - Buck Owens
etc...

and that's NOT an elvis quote (the karate chop nonsense)--it wasn't a joke and it wasn't hokey. you're confusing the detractors' crap with the real man. also, have you seen everybody else during the '70s? elvis was elegant and almost normal next to... david bowie, freddie mercury, donnie & marie, patti labelle (tin foil space wear?), the jackson five, the rolling stones (seen mick in a spandex jumpsuit? it's not pretty)... all have awards of shame for their '70s wear that was either iconically odd or a flash of oddness in their careers. elvis was one of the very few who could pull it off.

elvis was an INTERPRETER of music. he was also his own producer in the studio. many of his songs have entirely different arrangements, songs changed genre styles (he was known for his ability to blur the genres of country, blues and gospel until you couldn't tell what the genre of the song was, whereas the originals are very clearly a specific genre) or even different lyrics than their written counterparts. he was also known for humorous improvisation when it came to live performances.



and i can't forgive the beatles for some of their fan-treatment. they quit performing live because they couldn't hear themselves over the crowds. they also discovered that their live sound didn't live up to their studio recorded sound. another reason they stopped touring.

elvis on the other hand, lived for touring and his fans... and he toured when he should have been in a hospital. he constantly reminded people that without the fans he wouldn't have the shirt on his back. he told the security guards to let the fans come as close as they wanted (elvis had fans frequently come up on stage and give him surprise hugs--and he was always nice about it, even being amused if they could get past security). in vegas, he took several walks through the audience that security pretty much had a heart attack over.

when the beatles met elvis, they went to his california home (not graceland). one of the incidents while there involved two elvis fangirls snuck into his home and were hiding in his shower (the crowd outside was equally comprised of beatles and elvis fans). well, elvis found them with the beatles in tow. the beatles actually thought he was going to be mean to them and kick them out (they were new to and overwhelmed with dealing with fans). elvis didn't throw them out. he talked to them nicely, explaining that what they did was wrong, but nonetheless gave them kisses and signed autographs. ...and all that in front of the beatles.

at both the audubon drive house (before 1957) and graceland (1957-1977) he would always have fans lined up either in his yard or behind the graceland gate (and many people jumped his brick wall, including a fan who became one of his memphis mafia and bruce springsteen). he frequently went out to the gate and mingled with the fans. in fact, many of the things he gave away were at that gate--including trucks and motorcycles to fans (as well as random gifts to complete strangers of paying mortgages, hospital bills, giving cars to window shoppers, etc...). one time he lined up all the girls at the gate and kissed every single one. his mother, gladys, when she was alive also used to bake cookies for fans standing in the yard waiting for elvis to drive up on his motorcycle. elvis used to rent the roller rink and the local amusement park at night--and used to take the fans hanging around his house.

his fan appreciation is legendary, as his charity giving--which he did with no media attention at all--and did the majority of it anonymously.

when called to serve in the army, fans wrote the military saying they couldn't draft him, but he wrote the fans and said that he wanted to be treated like anybody else. and he spent 2 years in western germany during the cold war. he could have chosen to do entertainment tours, but he chose to be just one of the boys--pulling k.p., being out all night in the snow, driving jeeps, tanks, etc... and he was respected by his squadron in return--earning the rank of sergeant. he was very respectful of the military, law-enforcement, the president, etc... even when it was unpopular to be so (unlike the hippie culture spread by people like yoko ono and john lennon). he even used to drive about with the police on his motorcycle and actually stopped speeders on the road (he had his own sirens), would go up to their windows and tell them that they were speeding--of course, they'd be in shock.

elvis gave a 1961 benefit concert that helped build the pearl harbor u.s.s. arizona memorial in hawaii.

they were all flawed, sure. elvis' demons killed him. but he never wanted to influence anybody to do anything bad (in fact, he hated illegal drugs, to the point--but nobody, not even doctors at that time knew the dangers of legal prescription pharmaceutical drugs--which is what he did: painkillers for things like glaucoma, medication to fix ailments caused by medication, medication for insomnia, etc...). the beatles, on the other hand, promoted the use of hallucinogenics (lucy in the sky with diamonds???), etc... and not to mention lennon's support of communist ideas (imagine no religion, no countries, no possessions...)--describing imagine as "virtually the communist manifesto", hatred of law enforcement (calling them "pigs"), etc...

elvis presley was a huge patriot who loved his country and sang american trilogy in front of 1.4 billion people in 1973 (only 3 billion people were on earth at the time--more people watched aloha from hawaii than watched man on the moon!) decked out in an american eagle jumpsuit.

and lennon's death? while tragic, his murder was by a disillusioned fan who saw that lennon was a hypocrite for preaching one thing and doing another.

elvis was a lonely man with no real friends, a family life that had fallen apart--at the end he pretty much just had his father (who died 2 years later of a broken heart) and his 9 year old daughter, his infamous manager was taking 50% of what he earned and refused to let him tour worldwide because col. tom parker was an illegal alien from holland without a passport, and severe depression whose only light was getting out on that stage to make people happy--the only love he was getting was from his audience. elvis' story is one of a fallible human man, but a good man.

elvis didn't want to preach free love, lsd, marijuana, communism, bagism, etc... he was much more touched when fans wrote to him saying that his recording of how great thou art gave them the will to live on and not commit suicide. or the time when a little girl who had lost her hair and limbs to cancer had her one last wish to meet elvis--and he told her she was beautiful and kissed her. or his early performance in a quadriplegic center. or his famous picture kissing the march of dimes polio poster child of the year.

when dean martin whooped the beatles on the pop charts in 1965, he wrote a letter to elvis saying that he had done it for them.

while lennon said the beatles were bigger than jesus, elvis stated that he wasn't the king--that jesus was--he was just a man. now who had more humility? there couldn't have been two more different men.

or as elvis put it: "there's not going to be any messages or this and that. i just want to make people happy for that one hour that it comes across." (before his worldwide broadcast of aloha from hawaii.)

elvis presley was the anti-lennon.


You're right,Qt, they didn't write some of those WEAK early songs. They DID write the rest of their tunes, though. The tunes that changed the face of popular music forever. I agree with you about Lennon to a point. I know he was no saint. However, I was under the impression that we were talking about musical talent here and you must admit that the Beatles are greater than Elvis in this department. If we are basing this argument on good personalities, then my next door neighbour is as great as Elvis because he has a really nice manner, he's considerate and never plays his music too loud at night!
You cannot escape the undeniable truth that the Beatles changed the world with their own songwriting ability.
Elvis changed the world through being nice, being good looking and crooning other peoples songs! :hat:

[Indy_Chic]

Elvis is and will always be The King. Gosh I love his music, his dancing, and just the aura of Elvis himself. :)

[herr gruber]

I have no problem in Elvis being the King. Kings have everything done for them. Including having songs written for them to sing.:)

[Indy_Chic]

LOL! Good point herr gruber!;)

[NileQT87]

elvis had 2.5 octave range that has elements of both a baritone and tenor voice, he was entirely self-taught in music--never had a proper music lesson in his life, was a pioneer in bringing genres together (country, blues, gospel, bluegrass, jazz, opera... there was very little he didn't try). he was a master producer and interpreter of music.

frank sinatra, jerry lee lewis, the righteous brothers, jackie wilson, the supremes, etc... never wrote a song in their lives. at least elvis came up with the title for one (that's someone you'll never forget) and the idea for the lyrics of another (if i can dream). and he changed drastically enough arrangements and lyrics that you've got to give him some credit there. but his era wasn't about singer/songwriters. that wasn't the point at the time for music. a lot of people from his era sang old standards from the 1800s. in many cases, he brought new life to songs that were pretty much forgotten and dead (are you lonesome tonight? is from the '30s). and that's all right mama? never was a hit. never was looked at twice until elvis recorded it with a country/blues/gospel mix that didn't sound at all like the original blues record by big arthur crudup. in fact, elvis' recordings made many of these writers more money than their own recordings did.

songwriters like jerry lieber and mike stoller (two white jewish guys from new york were responsible for songs like hound dog, jailhouse rock, treat me nice, love me, etc... there's an often bandied about accusation that elvis stole from big mama thornton... who claimed falsely to have written the leiber and stoller song, hound dog.). in fact, love me was sent to elvis as a joke by lieber and stoller who didn't quite understand elvis when he started doing their songs. "treat me like a fool, treat me mean and cruel, but love me, break my faithful heart, tear it all apart, but love me..." it was making fun of country songs, but elvis sang it so heartfelt and seriously that it became a serious record. same with trouble--also a song that lieber and stoller didn't think was right for elvis. "are you looking for trouble, you've come to the right place, are you looking for trouble, just take a look right here in my face..." again, he took the song seriously and put a bucketload of sulty danger in it. both those songs could have been destroyed permanently if they were first recorded by a lesser voice or somebody who didn't take them seriously.

what the singer/songwriter movement did was make the songwriters like lieber and stoller irrelevant--guys who had no desire to ever put their voice to music. most of bob dylan's success was NOT in singing his own music, but in other people recording his music. writers became an endangered species and writers who were subpar singers started trashing their own writings and better singers were looked down upon for not choosing to jump on the writing bandwagon--and the ones that did wrote a lot of subpar material. do you think luciano pavarotti ever wrote a song? heck no.

elvis came from the gospel quartet singing style. those people are not frequently songwriters and have no desire to be. elvis was as comfortable singing standards like danny boy and frankie and johnny as he was singing more modern songs. crooners often sang different translations of foreign songs... so you have singers like dean martin and elvis presley both singing versions of the italian opera song, torna a sorrento (elvis' being surrender). you have elvis' most succesful record was another italian opera song--o' solo mio a.k.a. it's now or never.

do you think willie nelson was the writer or even the original singer of "always on my mind"??? nah. don't think so. it was written in 1972... FOR ELVIS. he didn't cover it until 1982. actually, brenda lee and elvis presley recorded it on the same day that it was given to them. it was written specifically with elvis' broken marriage in mind. many of his recordings in the later part of his career are very PERSONAL to him. several songs were written by one of his memphis mafia guys, red west (separate ways, that's someone you'll never forget, if you think i don't need you, you'll be gone, if you talk in your sleep, holly leaves and christmas trees, etc...). in fact, if you talk in your sleep specifically came from elvis telling stories about his sleepwalking and waking up in his underwear outside in front of lauderdale courts and seen by the girl he had a crush on when he was younger.

point is... his songs were often chosen while something specific was happening in his life. separate ways and always on my mind are his divorce songs... unchained melody became a shout that he was going home to god. it's easy for you and pieces of my life are other very autobiographical songs.

he was a very emotional singer... when i say he was an interpreter of music... i mean that he interpreted the emotions of a song. it isn't just about the sheet music of a song. it's interpreting it to portray specific emotional qualities. he had an honest emotional voice--which is why he is considered such an amazing singer and interpreter.

at least admit that ELVIS WAS A BETTER LIVE PERFORMER than the beatles! lol.

[AngieAki]

Yeah I don't understand it either. I like them both. Though I must admit the Beatles do have a one-up on the King for writing all of their own material. And all the Beatles survived their drug addictions... but we won't get into that.
I am not really one for Elvis to be honest, just isn't my taste.

Why did you guys hijack this thread? Couldn't you have just started a new one? This is supposed to be about which Beatle was/is most attractive, not The Beatles vs. Elvis.

Guys calm down, it is just music!!!

[NileQT87]

i'll give george harrison points for going to one of elvis' record-setting madison square garden performances (along with many other hippie artists) in 1972... when he saw elvis backstage he was shocked by the difference between him (who looked like a filthy bum) and elvis who looked magnificent. he actually changed his mind and started criticizing the hippie movement. he became disillusioned with it.

which brings most of my criticism of the beatles to mainly john lennon. ironically, he appears to be the darling of most beatles fans.

while i dislike their music and [lack of] singing abilities (though, they weren't nearly as bad as bob dylan and others), i, at least, don't hate or mind george, paul or ringo. john and yoko were crap, though (imo).

[herr gruber]

elvis had 2.5 octave range that has elements of both a baritone and tenor voice, he was entirely self-taught in music--never had a proper music lesson in his life, was a pioneer in bringing genres together (country, blues, gospel, bluegrass, jazz, opera... there was very little he didn't try). he was a master producer and interpreter of music.

frank sinatra, jerry lee lewis, the righteous brothers, jackie wilson, the supremes, etc... never wrote a song in their lives. at least elvis came up with the title for one (that's someone you'll never forget) and the idea for the lyrics of another (if i can dream). and he changed drastically enough arrangements and lyrics that you've got to give him some credit there. but his era wasn't about singer/songwriters. that wasn't the point at the time for music. a lot of people from his era sang old standards from the 1800s. in many cases, he brought new life to songs that were pretty much forgotten and dead (are you lonesome tonight? is from the '30s). and that's all right mama? never was a hit. never was looked at twice until elvis recorded it with a country/blues/gospel mix that didn't sound at all like the original blues record by big arthur crudup. in fact, elvis' recordings made many of these writers more money than their own recordings did.

songwriters like jerry lieber and mike stoller (two white jewish guys from new york were responsible for songs like hound dog, jailhouse rock, treat me nice, love me, etc... there's an often bandied about accusation that elvis stole from big mama thornton... who claimed falsely to have written the leiber and stoller song, hound dog.). in fact, love me was sent to elvis as a joke by lieber and stoller who didn't quite understand elvis when he started doing their songs. "treat me like a fool, treat me mean and cruel, but love me, break my faithful heart, tear it all apart, but love me..." it was making fun of country songs, but elvis sang it so heartfelt and seriously that it became a serious record. same with trouble--also a song that lieber and stoller didn't think was right for elvis. "are you looking for trouble, you've come to the right place, are you looking for trouble, just take a look right here in my face..." again, he took the song seriously and put a bucketload of sulty danger in it. both those songs could have been destroyed permanently if they were first recorded by a lesser voice or somebody who didn't take them seriously.

what the singer/songwriter movement did was make the songwriters like lieber and stoller irrelevant--guys who had no desire to ever put their voice to music. most of bob dylan's success was NOT in singing his own music, but in other people recording his music. writers became an endangered species and writers who were subpar singers started trashing their own writings and better singers were looked down upon for not choosing to jump on the writing bandwagon--and the ones that did wrote a lot of subpar material. do you think luciano pavarotti ever wrote a song? heck no.

elvis came from the gospel quartet singing style. those people are not frequently songwriters and have no desire to be. elvis was as comfortable singing standards like danny boy and frankie and johnny as he was singing more modern songs. crooners often sang different translations of foreign songs... so you have singers like dean martin and elvis presley both singing versions of the italian opera song, torna a sorrento (elvis' being surrender). you have elvis' most succesful record was another italian opera song--o' solo mio a.k.a. it's now or never.

do you think willie nelson was the writer or even the original singer of "always on my mind"??? nah. don't think so. it was written in 1972... FOR ELVIS. he didn't cover it until 1982. actually, brenda lee and elvis presley recorded it on the same day that it was given to them. it was written specifically with elvis' broken marriage in mind. many of his recordings in the later part of his career are very PERSONAL to him. several songs were written by one of his memphis mafia guys, red west (separate ways, that's someone you'll never forget, if you think i don't need you, you'll be gone, if you talk in your sleep, holly leaves and christmas trees, etc...). in fact, if you talk in your sleep specifically came from elvis telling stories about his sleepwalking and waking up in his underwear outside in front of lauderdale courts and seen by the girl he had a crush on when he was younger.

point is... his songs were often chosen while something specific was happening in his life. separate ways and always on my mind are his divorce songs... unchained melody became a shout that he was going home to god. it's easy for you and pieces of my life are other very autobiographical songs.

he was a very emotional singer... when i say he was an interpreter of music... i mean that he interpreted the emotions of a song. it isn't just about the sheet music of a song. it's interpreting it to portray specific emotional qualities. he had an honest emotional voice--which is why he is considered such an amazing singer and interpreter.

at least admit that ELVIS WAS A BETTER LIVE PERFORMER than the beatles! lol.


I admit nothing QT! To Elvis fans, Elvis was the best performer. To Beatles fans, The Beatles were the best performers. I actually love Elvis! (costello).
:D

[San Holo]

I admit nothing QT! To Elvis fans, Elvis was the best performer. To Beatles fans, The Beatles were the best performers. I actually love Elvis! (costello).
:D
The beatles were bad enough....but Elvis Costello? Don't be Cruel 'lil mama, or daddy's gonna havta whip 'em out:gun:
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[NileQT87]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2074/elvisdisplayshisriflepc3.jpg

even better.

don't mess with the big boss man, 'cause he was an american u.s. male. that's m-a-l-e, son. ;)

"If you're looking for trouble
You came to the right place
If you're looking for trouble
Just look right in my face..."

a little treat for those of us who prefer to TCB for EP:
the voice: An American Trilogy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=moUifEmOcbU) / What Now My Love (http://youtube.com/watch?v=QwVxd2b94L0)
the hotness: Polk Salad Annie (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-5CU6_FFWK8) / My Babe (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mdro4tMT1FA)
the man: Elvis On Tour interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEEFQUsNl98)

about who sold the most records worldwide (answer: elvis!): http://www.elvisinfonet.com/elvisvsbeatlespart1.html

[Matinee Idyll]

Nile, I adore Elvis. The '68 Special (along with the TAMI Show - both directed by Steve Binder incidently) is the most exciting, transcendent, perfect rock and roll experience ever caught on film...

But your rambling anti-Beatle posts are completely full of shît.

[NileQT87]

actually... they aren't.

look at the lyrics of imagine with fresh eyes. but you might be liberal and thus biased. lennon, himself, claimed it was "virtually the communist manifesto"... but hey, don't believe him. it's not so 'peaceful' as people think.

i also have a very low-opinion of the '60s counterculture movement. so sue me.

and elvis' race up the chart in '69 beats everything in the '68 comeback special (though a lot of counterculture biased people at least give him credit for that more readily). better yet, his work between '69-'77 was some of the greatest work ever (and i'm very familiar with his live music). you have to remember that elvis was very much a top-selling live act, performing over 1,100 concerts.

in fact, elvis' last two #1s were both posthumous--way down (1977) and a little less conversation (2002). there was such an outpouring of demand for his material in the year following his death that rca had the record pressing plants working overtime and sales records for that entire year are non-existent and not even factored into his cumulative total. 70,000 people came to memphis to mourn--and there was only time for 20,000 to file past the coffin. 3 girls were hit by a drunk driver and 2 died. only 3 celebrities attended--ann-margret, her husband and james brown. james brown spent an hour alone with elvis. 30 years after his death a total of approx. 75,000 fans attended the last candlelight vigil.

elvis was the #1 artist of the '50s (followed by fats domino! of all people), #2 artist of the '60s and #6 artist of the '70s. yes, that is including all the flavors of the decade that sold less than he did even when he wasn't at his height of popularity. the drop in the '70s wasn't exactly falling record sales either. part of the reason that there was that he toured so vigorously that people chose to see his live act (one of the top live acts of the decade). he sold out madison square garden 4 consecutive nights in 1972--an unparalleled feat for the venue. in 1973, 1.4 billion people from 46 countries tuned in to watch elvis during aloha from hawaii. this was more people than watched man landing on the moon. there were only 3 billion people on earth at the time.

and it was hardly a nostalgia act. his live act in the '70s contained both new and old material--and much more contemporary than he is given credit for and VERY autobiographical and personal.

and he was hardly a dummy when it came to music. his interpretive singing, vastly different musical arrangements, highly influential mixing of genres, ability to play both guitar and piano (and frequently played both live or during jams), etc... but of course, his magical instrument was his voice--estimated at being at least 2.5 octaves (not to mention his voice changed dramatically from the innocent and playful voice of the '50s, the smooth voice of the early '60s, stronger/bluesier voice in the late-'60s and even into the '70s where it thickened and continued to move to operatic heights--despite his register becoming naturally lower in the '70s, he reached much higher notes in this period). his range was between high baritone and low tenor--hitting notes from both.

irrelevant to this discussion, but his bass singer, j.d. sumner, is the lowest bass singer in history (often known for impersonating an airplane landing). whereas his early act had scotty moore, bill black, d.j. fontana and the jordanaires, his later act including j.d. sumner and the stamps quartet, the sweet inspirations (bring the black motown girl group sound to his backup), the imperials, etc... james burton was his guitarist in this era (previously was ricky nelson's guitarist). the stamps, sweets and other permanent band mates stuck with him until the end and actually were touring around the world in recent years with elvis singing on a large screen and them playing live--sold out shows--the last of which was at the 30th anniversary after elvis' death. elvis never got to tour outside of the united states and briefly in canada due to his manager (col. tom parker a.k.a. andreas van kuijk was an illegal alien from holland).

he also recorded (in studio, home recordings and live) roughly 750+ songs between 1953 and 1977.

there's a strong hippie rewrite of history that doesn't take any of this into account. honestly, you'd never know these figures from the way they make it sound. elvis was never as irrelevant as it has been made to sound.

there's also a tendency to disregard anything that isn't blues or rock'n'roll. elvis was far more than something that could be pigeonholed into such a tiny category. he was equally known for country, gospel, pop, etc... and even had strong elements of opera (mario lanza and enrico caruso were both influences of his). his true loves were gospel and ballads, however. and those were where his heart really was at (and among his greatest work). in the '70s he became much freer to express who he really was, whereas in the '50s he was under a lot more pressure for commercial product (rock'n'roll). interestingly enough, his top-selling record was an early-'60s operatic ballad called "it's now or never" based on an italian opera song. all 3 of his grammys were for his gospel albums.

you also have to factor in that the critics hated him in every single era for different reasons (too crude and vulgar, too soft, not current). this is a huge part of the reason that elvis has NEVER been a critical darling, except by his own fans. the beatles have always gotten more respect because they came into a ready-made youth market that was ready for them. the barriers were already broken down. the beatles never had to face that anywhere on the level that elvis did (though the beatles had plenty of flare-ups on the religious front). but elvis was the one that suffered the brunt of criticisms for his changing of music.

[herr gruber]

I'm not even gonna rise to the bait as you know you're talking out of your blue suede shoes. But ,It's alright mama. Are you lonesome tonight? With this anti Beatle Bo***x you will be.

"Two burgers to go with a side order of burgers."

"Don't get ketchup on my cape."

"What do you mean The Beatles are bigger than me?"

"Can I change my manager from this Colonel to Colonel Sanders?"

There. You made me do it.:sleep:

Oh, yes, Elvis handling firearms? Don't recall Lennon doing that...

[herr gruber]

The beatles were bad enough....but Elvis Costello? Don't be Cruel 'lil mama, or daddy's gonna havta whip 'em out:gun:
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Please, Elvis, don't whip 'em out. This is a family forum. Cover yourself up.

[San Holo]

Why did you guys hijack this thread? Couldn't you have just started a new one? This is supposed to be about which Beatle was/is most attractive, not The Beatles vs. Elvis.


All in good fun, honey. A Beatles vs. Elvis thread is much more interesting than "which Beatle is the cutest"...that is like saying which member of the Villiage is the most manly:rolleyes: The Boys from Liverpool were no George Cloonys- The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.

[AngieAki]

All in good fun, honey. A Beatles vs. Elvis thread is much more interesting than "which Beatle is the cutest"...that is like saying which member of the Villiage is the most manly:rolleyes: The Boys from Liverpool were no George Cloonys- The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.
But they could have made their own ****ing thread... band vs. band is just dumb. Either you like them or you don't, it doesn't matter.

[Matinee Idyll]

Nile - this is freakin' absurd. So you've read some Elvis biographies and have access to wikipedia, congratulations. Your sanctimonious, right-wing moralising is fücking sick and has no place in the discussion of music anyway.

I'm off now to listen to 'That's the Way it Is' and try to forget you exist.

...And in answer to the original question - George.

[Kingsley]

The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.
I think they got so many women in those years that the next step was Yoko or becoming gay :p

[San Holo]

Nile - this is freakin' absurd. So you've read some Elvis biographies and have access to wikipedia, congratulations. Your sanctimonious, right-wing moralising is fücking sick and has no place in the discussion of music anyway.
Easy Matty.Let's start by watching the language, douchebag.. shall we? I for one enjoyed Nile's thoughts on Elvis, and last time I checked, that opinion of yours "has no place in the discussion of music anyway" and not much else for that matter.;)

[Matinee Idyll]

Elvis and Lennon have more in common than you realise - they both cheated on their wives, for starters - How's that for fan treatment!

Seriously though Nile, make up an Elvis thread - I'd love to chat to a fellow fan (so long as you don't bring up John Lennon ;)). I want to talk Sun.

The best tail that these "dreamboats" can pull include such greats as a a one legged lady and...Yoko.;) 'nuff said.

Terribly amusing, what a sensitive and compassionate man you are. Go and f*ck yourself, you misogynistic prîck.

'Nuff said.

[San Holo]

Go and f*ck yourself, you misogynistic prîck.

'Nuff said.
Will do, right after I finish up with your mom.:whip:
Misogynistic is a big, impressive word ... looks like somebody else has access to wikipedia...nice:up:
Seriously, you think George Harrison is hot? Aren't you a man:confused:

[indyfan85]

Simmer down, lads.

[salussolia]

somenody throw a chair !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[herr gruber]

This thread should have been called 'Who is the hottest Elvis?'.
That guy used to sweat profusely onstage. It was a combination of too much medication, hot lighting and sandwiches filled with peanut butter, jam, and pickle. That said, I do prefer the songs of the 'Tubby Elvis' period. :up:

[Gear]

the beatles DIDN'T write a lot of their early material. do you really think they wrote:

Twist And Shout - The Isley Brothers
Roll Over Beethoven - Chuck Berry
Honey Don't - Carl Perkins
Words Of Love - Buddy Holly
Money - Berry Gordy Jr. and Janie Bradford
Anna (Go To Him) - Arthur Alexander
Act Naturally - Buck Owens
etc...
the beatles, on the other hand, promoted the use of hallucinogenics (lucy in the sky with diamonds???), etc... and not to mention lennon's support of communist ideas (imagine no religion, no countries, no possessions...)--


and lennon's death? while tragic, his murder was by a disillusioned fan who saw that lennon was a hypocrite for preaching one thing and doing another.


while lennon said the beatles were bigger than jesus, elvis stated that he wasn't the king--that jesus was--he was just a man. now who had more humility? there couldn't have been two more different men.

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first off " NileQT87 ", the song "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" is not about LSD. Thats one of the most comon missconceptions about the Beatles songs. It was written after John's son came home from pre school with a picture he had drawn which he called "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds". John and Paul were impressed and inspired by the drawing and wrote the song wich has been discribed as a sound track to the painting. The song more than likely was influenced by drugs but is not about them...

And all those covers you mentioned. Thats how the Beatles got noticed. They were teenagers preforming songs by artists who they admired in night clubs and they were good enough to be picked up. They quit covering other artists work soon after they hit the world, after that all they did was their own.

Many, many people argue about Lennon's death. Some say it was a crazed fan (who killed him to make the autographed "Double Fantasy" worth more or because he was offended by Lennon's Jesus statment or just because he was crazy and wanted to kill someone famous) others claim it was the government (watch "The U.S. vs John Lennon, even before I saw this film I thought it was likely that they killed him).


As for Lennon's Jesus statment, I think its absolutly correct that John was aragent (and maybe Paul too) but, look, the Beatles had just as much popularity if not more than Elvis. They did. As my dad says, he was right. John once said that if he had said the Beatles were more popular than TV everyone would have agreed. I think it was'nt a very intelegent thing to say but then again I think there was some truth in it.

You say your so appauled by the Beatles fan treatment, well, On an interview from the early 60's they said that they were in a resteraunt and a woman approached them and said that her 11 year old daughter loved them but she her self couldn't care more. They said that they were a bit cold to her but celebraty or not, she probably deserved it. They stoped touring because they got tired of fans screaming so loud that they couldn't hear themselves play (which is what affected their sound, they literaly couldn't hear the next one to them play.), fans throwing things at them to get their attention, and girls practicaly slaughtering themselves over them. They thought this was all great when they started but after years of this they had had enough. John was quit rude to them at times like in an interview from the 70's in which he was asked about the fans and he said something along the lines of he got tired of stupid f***ers screaming like f***ing idiots. I can understand them deciding to quit the road. I watched on PBS a filmed preformance Elvis did in Hawaii and none of the fans were going TOTALY insane (like Beatle preformances). This was from the 70's when his fame was after its peak but I think if the Beatles had done a reunion consert (while John and George were still alive :rolleyes:) and played a few songs from their old LP's the fans would have been way wild.

Personaly I am a Beatles fan but I like Elvis too. I just dont think he was as great as the fab four.

And by the way. This thread is "Who was the cutest Beatle?"... I dunno, I guess its fine to wander...