KOTCS's relation to YIJC [Archive]

Avilos

12-31-2007, 07:12 PM

I'm personally hoping for the teaser of Kingdom to have a sequence set in 1923! And have Young indy on a dig with Abner and a young belloq and it shows Belloq steal the first crystal skull and indy tries to get it back but it's to late! Then as we learn later on in the movie, Belloq sold it on the black market not realizing what he had, but since belloq is now dead it's kind of a moot point!

I long imagined something similar for the beginning of Indy IV. Without knowing the plot specifics of the Crystal Skulls. But a teaser of Young Indy (played by Sean of course) to setup the plot. I doubt it will happen though. It would take screen time from Harrison in his last adventure.

I suspect there will be a Young Indy reference of some kind. Even just a simple reference to him fighting in WW1. Or him mentioning being in Russia during the Revolution to one of the Soviets maybe to Cate Blanchett's character.

Violet

12-31-2007, 08:03 PM

Well, apparently the episode featured Belloq. Indy and Belloq are friends and dig for the Crystal Skull. They find it, Belloq steals it and sells it on the black market, thus setting up the rivalry. Now, this should count as canon! :p It might be a reference to this, nice and simple, perhaps an exchange between Marion and Indy as she knows who Belloq was. It would be a nice little reference.

Sankara

01-01-2008, 07:05 AM

Would you like to bet? There is no reference in "Indy IV" to "Young Indy".

Flannery10

01-01-2008, 08:20 AM

Would you like to bet? There is no reference in "Indy IV" to "Young Indy".

I'm not surprised to hear you say that, Sankara! In my opinion, a reference would certainly be possible, not only too prove that Young Indy really is cannon, but also to encourage more people to watch it. If they hear about an adventure in World War I, some people might consider to buy the set after all.
But since Young Indy never reached the sucess of the movies, and many people don't like it, they probably didn't include a reference, but we'll se on May 22nd I guess

metalinvader

01-01-2008, 08:52 AM

Personally,I don't think there will be any reference to Young Indy.It would be nice but I just don't see it happening.If there is any reference at all it will be like how the Ark of the Covenant was referenced in LC.Very small,Very subtle.Like Indy saying "Well,When I fought in WW1...", Something like that.

Adamwankenobi

01-01-2008, 10:52 AM

Would you like to bet? There is no reference in "Indy IV" to "Young Indy".

I bet you hate it that KOTCS was born from Young Indy. :p

Avilos

01-01-2008, 01:41 PM

Look at it this way. When they did the first 3 films Indiana Jones had no back story or history at all. Other than what was first glimpsed in "The Last Crusade". Now since then George Lucas has developed a very detailed back story for Indy.
So it WILL be used in this movie in some way. I guarantee that!

The original screenplay was written by Frank Darabont. One of the main writers of the TV series. Also as has been said the Crystal Skull plot line originated as a idea for Young Indy. Which is consistent with George Lucas past methods of story development. He never throws away an idea. Names and ideas in the Star Wars prequels came from his earliest drafts he wrote of Star Wars in the mid 70s. He even referenced the Droids cartoons more than once in the Prequels!

As I said in my first post, It won't be a heavy handed awkward reference. It will likely be something that most viewers don't catch. Assuming that its just a new detail about Indy's past. But fans of the Tv show will know better.

Adamwankenobi

01-01-2008, 03:39 PM

As I said in my first post, It won't be a heavy handed awkward reference. It will likely be something that most viewers don't catch. Assuming that its just a new detail about Indy's past. But fans of the Tv show will know better.

That's how I've always felt about it. Like you said, the Droids references in the Star Wars prequels were like this as well. General audiences just accepted it as another part of the film, while de-hard fans smiled at the references. It serves both audiences.

IndyJr.

01-01-2008, 06:17 PM

metalinvader

01-01-2008, 06:48 PM

They need to start Crystal Skull like they did Last Crusade. Sean Patrick Flannery in 1920's digging with Belloq and finding the Crystal Skulls... like was said above. I don't think it would take too much screen time away... River Pheonix didn't do that for Indy 3... and besides... who cares? Just make the film 20 minutes longer! I doubt people will run out of the theater if it's 20 minutes longer... :p

Flanery is 42.Way to old to be playing Indy in that time period.I don't know,It worked in LC but it would just seem like a retread if they did another Young Indy sequence in KOTCS.I wouldn't mind if it was mentioned in conversation though.

oki9Sedo

01-01-2008, 07:01 PM

I doubt there'll be any references to the TV show whatsoever. Any references will be to the previous films only I'd say.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 06:31 AM

As you all know: "Young Indy" was a HUGE Flop (for many-many reasons) :up:

"Nobody" saw this stuff and 99,9 percent of the Indiana Jones-Fans hate it. Why should they put a reference into "Indy IV"? 99.99 percent of the audience wouldn't get the reference.

Checkt out the Display in the theaters. There is a Suitcase with Buttons of the locations of the Indy-Movies. There is no Button with a "Young Indy"-Location. :up: :up: :up:

@IndyJr
Oh my god! I'm so lucky that you are no screenwriter

So, who want's to bet? :-)

metalinvader

01-02-2008, 06:46 AM

99.9% of Indy fans hate Young Indy?!!?
Where do you come up with this stuff!?!Thankfully,Your personal bias is not universal fact!It seems to me that only a select few actually hate the show,Like you.Most it seems tolerate it or just simply feel it's not there,While other people accept it and love it.

In regards to the theater display.Why would they even put Young Indy locations on it?I would never expect them too,Nor would I hope any other Young Indy fan would.While it would be cool,The display pertains to the movies,Not the whole Indy univerese.

Finn

01-02-2008, 06:51 AM

"Nobody" saw this stuff and 99,9 percent of the Indiana Jones-Fans hate it. Fact: The show won ten Emmys.

Fact: Up to this date, the YIJC volume one has sold nearly 40 000 copies.

Fact: You hate this show.

Not a fact, put an interesting second opinion nevertheless: "A true fan loves the subject, warts and all." (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20165619_20165621_20167049_25,00.html)

Work of your fragile imagination: "Nobody saw this stuff and 99,9 percent of the Indiana Jones-Fans hate it."

Bottom line: We know you hate the show and okay, feel free. But please stop making yourself ridiculous in the process. It's embarassing for all of us.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 07:06 AM

@Finn
Oooh! Wow! The show won ten emmys! Does this mean it's a good show? So many good movies never won an oscars. And so many bad movies got many oscars. This means nothing - I guess you would agree.

Fact is: It was a huge Flop!

@metalinvader
Right, Why would they even put Young Indy locations on it? And why should they put a "Young Indy"-Refernce into "Indy 4"?

Finn

01-02-2008, 07:17 AM

Fact is: It was a huge Flop! Wrong again. It wasn't a major success, let's admit that. But that doesn't mean it was a flop either.

By the way, I gave you five pointers, you impressingly managed to shoot down one of them. That's 20% success rate, the rest you obviously just ignored. Guess that tells us all what's your word's worth.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 07:39 AM

Please, Finn! We all know that Lucas and Co. expected more than this. So: It was a Flop! Most of the Indy-Fans expected Indy-Feeling in this show - but there was no Indy-Feeling.

The YIJC volume one has sold nearly 40 000 copies. This is not very much.

Finn

01-02-2008, 08:01 AM

The YIJC volume one has sold nearly 40 000 copies. This is not very much. Yeah, but if we figure that it's only 0,01% of all Indyfans on this Earth, we figure there's like what, 40 billion fans in all.

Just for your information, the Earth population barely exceeds six billion.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 08:03 AM

Last week I bought a John Wayne-DVD-Box. But I'm not a John Wayne-Fan...

Finn

01-02-2008, 08:08 AM

Last week I bought a John Wayne-DVD-Box. But I'm not a John Wayne-Fan... Yeah, I know who John Wayne is. But if you're right, practically NO ONE knows about Young Indy.

So now you're telling that somewhere out there there's a small town full of locos who buy stuff in completely random ordeal. "I don't know what the hell this is and it costs nearly ninety bucks... ah, what the hell, I'll take it anyway."

Scary thought.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 08:29 AM

Yes, I'm right! "Young Indy" was a flop and if there is a reference to it in "Indy 4" - 99.99 percent of the audience wouldn't catch it.

Adamwankenobi

01-02-2008, 10:12 AM

Yes, I'm right! "Young Indy" was a flop and if there is a reference to it in "Indy 4" - 99.99 percent of the audience wouldn't catch it.

Lucas considers Young Indy to be the most enjoyable and rewarding experience he's evee had in filmmaking, so I ask you, WHY NOT? Die hard fans like myself will smile at the references, while the average filmgoer will just see it as another part of the film. Therefore, both audiences are served. Have you ever seen a Kevin Smith film? He makes his films for this very purpose. :up:

Flannery10

01-02-2008, 11:27 AM

Yes, I'm right! "Young Indy" was a flop and if there is a reference to it in "Indy 4" - 99.99 percent of the audience wouldn't catch it.

Like Adam said already, who cares? Those, who watched Young Indy will recognize that reference and smile and those who didn't just won't and think: "Oh, another detail about Indy's past!", and forget about it quickly.

You know what I think Sankara? I think you're scared that it will include a reference, because if it does, then you'll have to accept Young Indy is cannon, and not a whole different world than the movies.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 11:54 AM

Well, if Indy would say to Marion: "You know what? A long time ago I had sex with Mata Hari!" 99,99 percent of the audience would look like that :confused:

:D :D

oki9Sedo

01-02-2008, 12:05 PM

Please, Finn! We all know that Lucas and Co. expected more than this. So: It was a Flop!

It was not a massive hit, but it was not a flop by any means Sankara.

1. It won 10 Emmys, and was nominated for a further 13.
2. It lasted for three seasons.
3. Lucasfilm and Paramount have released two very lavish, very expensive DVD volumes with a third on the way.

Whatever your opinions of the show are, those are facts which support the fact that the show did well.

oki9Sedo

01-02-2008, 12:07 PM

Yes, I'm right! "Young Indy" was a flop and if there is a reference to it in "Indy 4" - 99.99 percent of the audience wouldn't catch it.

99.99% of the audience didn't get the references to The Searchers in the Star Wars films, War of the Worlds and Raiders of the Lost Ark either, but they're there.

Alot of the time references are there to indulge the film-maker, not the audience.

Jeremiah Jones

01-02-2008, 12:18 PM

Sankara, what the hell? The realise how embarrasing your whole line of argument, how old are you anyway? You're acting like a 4 year old.. why the hell do you post on young indy pages anyway? All you ever say is stuff like: THIS IS CRAP, I HATE THIS SHOW, ONLY IDIOTS AND NON-INDY FANS LIKE THIS SHOW, etc etc etc, really really childish. Man, its amazing anyone ever even responds. In cas you haven't noticed most of us here love Young Indy, to you that obviously means we are somehow sub human because we don't share the brain of Sankara. Of course it didn't do very well we all know that, but Lucas loves the show, he came up with indy 4s plot, there might very well be a reference, and if there is it will be a rather vague one, not as stupid as your above example.

Stop being such a child. Please. Its very embarassing.

metalinvader

01-02-2008, 12:20 PM

@metalinvader
Right, Why would they even put Young Indy locations on it? And why should they put a "Young Indy"-Refernce into "Indy 4"?

Well that's it,If you go to the first page I stated that I don't think there will be any reference to Young Indy at all.If there is any reference what so ever,It will be very small like the Jackal head piece on Indy's desk or him mentioning that he fought in WW1.Something small and subtle.

Sankara

01-02-2008, 12:39 PM

@Jeremiah Jones
No, I don't use words like "Idiot". This is a forum and I have an opinon.

@oki9Sedo
We are talking about CLEAR references like the ark-Scene in Venice.

@Adamwankenobi
As you you know I'm a DIE HARD Indiana Jones-Fan since... oh many-many years before you were born. I wouldn't like it. So what? We will see... :-)

oki9Sedo

01-02-2008, 01:04 PM

We are talking about CLEAR references like the ark-Scene in Venice.

In that case, there aren't likely to be any.

Adamwankenobi

01-02-2008, 02:05 PM

Well, if Indy would say to Marion: "You know what? A long time ago I had sex with Mata Hari!" 99,99 percent of the audience would look like that :confused:

:D :D

It'd be as silly as Indy telling Shia LaBeouf's character "You know, I once drank from the holy grail."

What you've got to understand Sankara, is that the Indy films have never made huge references to one another, so why should we expect KOTCS to do any different with YIJC? When we talk about KOTCS referencing YIJC, it should be a given that any references would be small.

oki9Sedo

01-02-2008, 02:11 PM

It'd be as silly as Indy telling Shia LaBeouf's character "You know, I once drank from the holy grail."

Alot more people would get that, though.

Adamwankenobi

01-02-2008, 02:11 PM

@Adamwankenobi
As you you know I'm a DIE HARD Indiana Jones-Fan since... oh many-many years before you were born. I wouldn't like it. So what? We will see... :-)

*sigh* I think you know what I meant. I was refering to myself being a die hard fan in the context of YIJC. Just so you understand correctly, I'll rephrase it: All die hard fans of YIJC like myself would smile at the references, while general audiences, film-only fans, and/or those with no or very little knowledge of YIJC will just accept any YIJC references as another part of the film.

Adamwankenobi

01-02-2008, 02:14 PM

Alot more people would get that, though.

My point is that it would still be silly and unnecessary. And like another poster pointed out, who ever got the idea that everyone is suppose to get references in films? Most people who watch the IJ films don't even realize that what they are watching is one giant homage.

oki9Sedo

01-02-2008, 02:32 PM

My point is that it would still be silly and unnecessary. And like another poster pointed out, who ever got the idea that everyone is suppose to get references in films? Most people who watch the IJ films don't even realize that what they are watching is one giant homage.

Thats absolutely true.

Avilos

01-02-2008, 02:52 PM

I think Sankara has over stayed his welcome on The Raven! He is entitled to have different opinions than others and is free to express that. But is goes FAR beyond that. He has a condescending and dismissive attitude toward other poster. He adds nothing to discussions but his narrow mindedness. Distorting facts to suit his agenda.

Jeremiah Jones

01-02-2008, 04:40 PM

Sankara, okay maybe you didn't use the word 'Idiot' but your disdain for anyone who likes Young Indy is pretty obvious. So we don't share your opinion, SO WHAT! I mean in your last post you said "This is a forum and I have an opinon". Sankara, all of us here are very very very well aware that you have an opinion, expressing that opinion has been your chief means of arguing any point regarding Young Indy for months now. We Know. alright? We'll just take it as read.

Its just I find it fairly disrespectful to everyone here in the Young Indiana Jones corner of the Raven that you keep lambasting us for being stupid enough to like a show which you're so fully convinced is the worst thing ever concieved. I just don't understand why you come here? are you just trying to stir things up? I mean we accept you don't like the show, and we're well past trying to persuade you otherwise, just stop telling us that its crap okay? WE . DO. NOT. AGREE. WITH. YOU. And anyway, thats not what this thread is about.

Jeremiah Jones

01-02-2008, 04:46 PM

Anyway. I doubt there will be a reference, I'd love if there was though. I mean as has been mentioned by Avilos it is the first movie made with the Young Indy Chronicles Being there, so maybe.. Possibly in a briefing given to a Russian agent on Jones, 'he fought in WW1, worked for French Intelligence, Yadda Yadda Yadda' It definetly won't be anything major, yeah, like MetalinVader says, a jackel on his desk, that'd be nice. It all depends if the prop department are Young Indy Fans I suppose. Maybe a photo of his Mom in the backround, or an old photo of himself when he looked like Flanery, blink and you'll miss it sorta stuff.

Just reading over some of my old posts, sorry if I come off as a little harsh, I just find it all a little ridiculous, another fine topic derailed.

IndyJr.

01-02-2008, 09:22 PM

Yes, I'm right! "Young Indy" was a flop and if there is a reference to it in "Indy 4" - 99.99 percent of the audience wouldn't catch it.

Listen Sankara... Yes, the film did suffer some critics reviews. But those are critics. You're paying too much attention to the critics and not the fans and even the non-fans!

yes, because of the abundance of "educational values" in the film, it lost some stars... also because of George Hall... I don't agree with these terms, but in the DVD George Hall was removed and the educational boosts the ratings IMO.

Let me ask you something, when was the last time you saw a Young Indy flick? Have you seen them all? Which one was it? I bet you it was Hollywood Follies and Mystery of the Blues. Of course if that's all you saw you would have your doubts!

Have you yet seen Demons of Deception part 1 (Verdun, 1916). Phantom Train of Doom, Oganga, Attack of the Hawkmen, Adventures in the Secret Service. I can go on! These stories are impelling and in some moments are chilling and they are very thrilling! You only have a personal vendetta because you saw one YOU didn't like. Not everyone has your opinion (thank God). Yes, some have taste to what they watch. And yes, most of who buy Young Indy DVDs do have sense and do know what their buying and buy it because they like it... yes... comparitavly 40,000 may be a small number (to some). But let me remind you, it's only been out like a month (if I can remember). What do you expect every Indy fan to buy it the first day? I didn't get Volume 1 until Dec. 15th! And Volume 2 Dec. 25th. Does that make me a non-Indy fan? No; I watched them straight through in 3 days matter of fact!

My cousin loves the Indy films and Young Indy. He's yet to buy the Young Indy DVD set yet. Does that mean he hates them?

I also think it's interesting that everyone on this forum (for the most part) thinks the series are great (except for you). Why is that I wonder?

I ask you...why are you in a Young Indy board to only complain to many who love it, that it's horrible. Among this crowd you will not change people's minds about it. Just give up.

IndyJr.

01-02-2008, 09:32 PM

Also... he says he's been a fan ever since you were born... but I bet you he's 10 and just figured out how to type and therefor comes to "enlighten" us... he's exploring the internet and forums and thinks it's "fun".

I can tell by how he's acting that it's EXACTLY like what I use to do in my younger days!

I guarantee he's 13 or younger...

Shazam

01-02-2008, 11:26 PM

Sankara is entitled to his own opinions. With that said are we not allowed to be afforded the same courtesy. We like the show; if you don't like it stay away from this corner of the forum.

Matinee Idyll

01-02-2008, 11:46 PM

Just ignore Sankara guys, he's just acting the goat.

Anyone who can watch 'Verdun' or 'London' and deny their brilliance has no taste.

And anyone who would carry a personal vendetta against a show because 1 or 2 of the 44 EPISODES are below part, well, they're an idiot.

We know what's right. :)

Sankara

01-03-2008, 03:13 AM

@Indyjr.

As you all know I'm a long time Indiana Jones-Fan and expert. I've got a really huge Indy-Collection, I traveld to the locations of the movies and-and-and...

So:Of course I've got EVERY Episode of "Young Indy" and I saw the most Episodes a few times. The Verdun-Episode was my favourite. Great music, great camera BUT: it has nothing to with Indiana Jones!

In my opinion "Young Indy" is to the "Indiana Jones"-Movies like the new Star Wars-Movies to the old Star Wars-Movies. Both are full of lousy ideas.

By the way: Of course I've got all Indiana Jones-Novels. These novels are lousy too.

So, who wants to bet? I don't think that there is a reference in "Indy 4".

@adamwankenobi
The Indy films have never made huge references to one another? What? Well, the ark-scene in venice is a CLEAR reference to "Raiders". Or the two Swordsman-Scene is a CLEAR referece to "Raiders".

Matinee Idyll

01-03-2008, 03:20 AM

JUDAS!!! I don't believe you...

Sankara

01-03-2008, 03:35 AM

I'm sorry - but it is the truth... :-)

metalinvader

01-03-2008, 04:19 AM

It's a shame that we can't have a Young Indy discussion without it turning into this http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=11736 :rolleyes:

Sankara

01-03-2008, 04:26 AM

I agree!!!

IndyJr.

01-03-2008, 09:28 AM

No you don't... You started it. All you did was yap at us for liking Young Indy movies. No you don't agree. You will continue to, I bet.

Flannery10

01-03-2008, 09:38 AM

Anyone who can watch 'Verdun' or 'London' and deny their brilliance has no taste.

Those are just a few of so many briliant episodes, I definetely would also add the two episodes that form Oganga now, Curse of the Jackal, British East Africa, 1909 etc. I would only give like 5 or 6 episodes less than 4 points out of 5 in the whole series.

As for your comment, metalinvader, that this has turned into the "young indy, canon or not" thread, there sadly are some people who like to go off-topic. A slight reference would certainly be possible, just as there are references in Young Indy episodes to each other, for example, we see Sophies locket in German East Africa, December 1916, which references the later Vienna episode, something like that.

metalinvader

01-03-2008, 12:34 PM

I loved that locket reference in the Africa episode.It was simple and direct.If you didn't know where he got the locket it didn't affect the story at all.

I really like the idea of the Jackal headpiece showing up on Indys classroom or Office desk.Perhaps if Jim Broadbents character talks to Indy in one of those settings he could pick up the head piece,look at it and then put it down.A bit like what Marcus did with that brush on Indys classroom desk.

Adamwankenobi

01-03-2008, 05:44 PM

So:Of course I've got EVERY Episode of "Young Indy" and I saw the most Episodes a few times. The Verdun-Episode was my favourite. Great music, great camera BUT: it has nothing to with Indiana Jones!

I'm glad to see you recognize quality. I also see that you just don't see them as part of the Indiana Jones saga. Well... that's the character's name. It's suppose to be his younger years. Just because the series is stylistically different doesn't mean it isn't a part of the Indiana Jones saga.

So, who wants to bet? I don't think that there is a reference in "Indy 4".

Well, Lucas is funding the KOTCS project, so if he wants KOTCS to reference YIJC, then it will in some way(s). Spielberg and Ford like YIJC, so I don't see them objecting, especially if the references are minor.

@adamwankenobi
The Indy films have never made huge references to one another? What? Well, the ark-scene in venice is a CLEAR reference to "Raiders". Or the two Swordsman-Scene is a CLEAR referece to "Raiders".

When I say huge references, I mean that none of the other IJ films' plots have relied on references to previous IJ films in order to carry the plot. All of them have been in-jokes. The way you talk about the issue, you seem to be afraid that entire plot points of KOTCS will rely on YIJC.

I really like the idea of the Jackal headpiece showing up on Indys classroom or Office desk.Perhaps if Jim Broadbents character talks to Indy in one of those settings he could pick up the head piece,look at it and then put it down.A bit like what Marcus did with that brush on Indys classroom desk.

Though that would be neat, I don't know if that would work. Given that it is seen in a museum at the end of "Curse of the Jackal", it would seem that Indy would have given the Jackal to a museum long before KOTCS.

IndyJr.

01-03-2008, 05:58 PM

Maybe a scene with Indy looking at some of his adventure stuff (as he has not been on an adventure in some years and he looks in his closet and sees the leather jacket, bull whip and gun and various other artifacts... why not have Princess Sophie's locket in the corner (barely seen) :D

Matinee Idyll

01-03-2008, 10:26 PM

Though that would be neat, I don't know if that would work. Given that it is seen in a museum at the end of "Curse of the Jackal", it would seem that Indy would have given the Jackal to a museum long before KOTCS.

Remember though Adam, George Hall is no longer cannon. :rolleyes:

Glad to see you defending the Chronicles on imdb, keep it up mate! :)

Adamwankenobi

01-03-2008, 10:39 PM

why not have Princess Sophie's locket in the corner (barely seen) :D

Man, that would be so romantic to see that he had kept the locket from his first love after all those years. (Yes, this is coming from a guy. :o )

Remember though Adam, George Hall is no longer cannon. :rolleyes:

I'm not so sure. Lucas has said nothing publically (as far as I know) about his decision to remove those scenes, but it seems to have been done more for narrative reasons than story reasons. What I mean is that, the Old Indy stuff seems to have gone the way of "deleted scenes". :confused:

Glad to see you defending the Chronicles on imdb, keep it up mate! :)

Thanks. :hat: There's lots of haters over there, but at least they keep it off of the main YIJC board.

Matinee Idyll

01-03-2008, 10:49 PM

Man, that would be so romantic to see that he had kept the locket from his first love after all those years. (Yes, this is coming from a guy. :o )

Never, EVER be embarrassed for being a romantic. The world needs more guys like you Adam. :)

Shazam

01-03-2008, 11:32 PM

I'm not so sure. Lucas has said nothing publically (as far as I know) about his decision to remove those scenes, but it seems to have been done more for narrative reasons than story reasons. What I mean is that, the Old Indy stuff seems to have gone the way of "deleted scenes". :confused:

Interesting. I seem to remember awhile ago after the removal of George Hall but before the new IndianaJones.com layout that the bio for our beloved hero still retained the old indy referance.

But I suppose we'll have to wait and see what the new bio says.

Sankara

01-04-2008, 02:32 AM

@adamwankenobi
Spielberg and Ford like YIJC??? I don't think so!!! :-)
Source?

Matinee Idyll

01-04-2008, 03:02 AM

@adamwankenobi
Spielberg and Ford like YIJC??? I don't think so!!! :-)
Source?

Harrison has definitely voiced his approval of the series, I remember reading the quote. Not sure about the Berg though.

Sankara

01-04-2008, 03:11 AM

Harrison has definitely voiced his approval of the series? Source?

Matinee Idyll

01-04-2008, 03:23 AM

Knock it off. If you're so bloody keen go and find it for yourself. I know he said it, I've read the quote - all the proof I need.

metalinvader

01-04-2008, 03:31 AM

Ford voicing his opinion...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3MgqOabUS0A

"These shows as far as I'm concerned are the best stuff on television.."

I'm sure you won't believe it and say he is just saying that for the camera but whatever....

Fact is HE SAID IT!:up:

Sankara

01-04-2008, 03:43 AM

metalinvader

01-04-2008, 04:00 AM

I know this video since a looong time. Boy, this an interview TO PROMOTE this show becaus it had very bad TV ratings. Nothing more! Do think Harrison Ford saw every single episode of "Young Indy"? :-)

Regardless,Promoting the show or not,He is still showing suport for the show.

And what does Ford watching ever episode have to do with anything?You can still suport a show and not watch it everyweek.

Sankara

01-04-2008, 04:08 AM

No actor or director would say something negative about the show he promotes. I guess, Ford never saw "Young Indy".

I thought you are coming with NEW Interviews of Ford, Spielberg and their realtionship to "Young Indy" and "Indy IV".

It's possible that I could interview Ford in May. Trust me - i will aks him agout his thoughts about "Young Indy".

metalinvader

01-04-2008, 04:33 AM

No actor or director would say something negative about the show he promotes. I guess, Ford never saw "Young Indy".

Well,Bill Cosby did for Leonard part 6...but that is niether here nor there..:p

I thought you are coming with NEW Interviews of Ford, Spielberg and their realtionship to "Young Indy" and "Indy IV".

Ain't going to happen because there most likely wont be any relationship between 'Young Indy' and 'KOTCS' besides main character.

It's possible that I could interview Ford in May. Trust me - i will aks him agout his thoughts about "Young Indy".

Either two things will happen...When Ford says he supports the show you will either..

A.Burn all your Indy stuff and denounce all things Ford

or

B.call Ford a liar and ask him for source

Matinee Idyll

01-04-2008, 04:58 AM

I know this video since a looong time. Boy, this an interview TO PROMOTE this show becaus it had very bad TV ratings. Nothing more! Do think Harrison Ford saw every single episode of "Young Indy"? :-)

Ford isn't one to bull**** - if he doesn't like something, he'll say it. Lookit Bladerunner, for example.

If he didn't like the freakin' show, why would he agree to go and freeze his arse off for two days and shoot bookends for it - merely as a favour for George? I don't think so.

Ugh, this is so tiresome.

Sankara

01-04-2008, 05:44 AM

The "Blade Runner"-Example is nonsens. Have you seen the "Blade Runner"-Interviews from 1982??? :-))))

metalinvader

01-04-2008, 09:03 AM

Ugh, this is so tiresome.

Tell me about it!What's the point?We are arguing with a broken record.

over and over and over and over *bangs head on desk*

IndyJr.

01-04-2008, 10:28 AM

The "Blade Runner"-Example is nonsens. Have you seen the "Blade Runner"-Interviews from 1982??? :-))))

Please, I will ask you in the most civilized manner I know how... shut up, sir. :gun:

You are obviously doing this for kicks. I say we do one of two things... ignore him and let him post his opinion and no longer respond to him. Or 2: ban him and call it a day.

edit: and he's obviously lying about him interviewing Harrison Ford. Who in their sane mind would dare interview Harrison Ford knowing the grief they've put Indy fans through?

tocksic

01-04-2008, 10:31 AM

edit: and he's obviously lying about him interviewing Harrison Ford. Who in their sane mind would dare interview Harrison Ford knowing the grief they've put Indy fans through?

Unfortunately he is not. ;)

Adamwankenobi

01-04-2008, 02:11 PM

Harrison has definitely voiced his approval of the series? Source?

Well, his production company helped produce the show, and Spielberg visited the Prague set, where he commented on how impressed he was with the show. He even planned on directing an episode, before he became tied up with Schindler's List and Jurassic Park. I don't know the exact source, but, as Indy would say... "trust me".

No actor or director would say something negative about the show he promotes. I guess, Ford never saw "Young Indy".

I thought you are coming with NEW Interviews of Ford, Spielberg and their realtionship to "Young Indy" and "Indy IV".

It's possible that I could interview Ford in May. Trust me - i will aks him agout his thoughts about "Young Indy".

So naturally your opinion on Ford's statement is more credible than Ford's actual statement. :rolleyes:

Interesting. I seem to remember awhile ago after the removal of George Hall but before the new IndianaJones.com layout that the bio for our beloved hero still retained the old indy referance.

But I suppose we'll have to wait and see what the new bio says.

Yeah, that's one of the things that made me think Hall's stuff is still canon. I contrast that with how every time one of the Star Wars prequels was released, the StarWars.com editors would quickly change "incorrect" entries.

oki9Sedo

01-04-2008, 02:16 PM

Ford wouldn't have cameo-ed in the damn thing, which means he couldn't have disliked it.

Adamwankenobi

01-04-2008, 02:26 PM

I know this video since a looong time. Boy, this an interview TO PROMOTE this show becaus it had very bad TV ratings. Nothing more! Do think Harrison Ford saw every single episode of "Young Indy"? :-)

So in order for you to consider YIJC to be a quality show, you're saying every single episode of it would have to be outstanding?!? How many "good" shows can say that? None. Every show has its weaker episodes.

B.call Ford a liar and ask him for source

I think he would actually do that. :sick:

Ford wouldn't have cameo-ed in the damn thing, which means he couldn't have disliked it.

Exactly. Ford has always had a general dislike of TV after entering the film business. For him to appear on a TV show really means something... especially after his experience working on The Star Wars Holiday Special. :eek:

Attila the Professor

01-04-2008, 03:17 PM

Ford wouldn't have cameo-ed in the damn thing, which means he couldn't have disliked it.

Nice emphasis. Not disliking something doesn't mean that you do like something.

oki9Sedo

01-04-2008, 03:59 PM

Nice emphasis. Not disliking something doesn't mean that you do like something.

Thats my point. He either liked it, or felt neutral enough about it to do it for the paycheque and for the simple fun of it. If he disliked the show I find it unlikely he would have appeared in it.

Attila the Professor

01-04-2008, 04:04 PM

No, I know that was your point, but it was subtly made, and almost surely would have gone unnoticed. They've got Sankara in their sights now and I wouldn't count on close readings of anything.

metalinvader

01-04-2008, 04:28 PM

It's not going to matter how much evidence or examples we give Sankara,He's just going to come back with a stupid statement like..''Lawrence Kasdan didn't write a Young Indy episode,Therefor it is lousy".

:rolleyes:

Frankly,It's getting tired that any good Young Indy discussion turns into a debate about the quality or whatever with him.....

Attila the Professor

01-04-2008, 04:34 PM

My point exactly. Something about this community makes it have to have a scapegoat.

The_Minority

01-04-2008, 09:26 PM

Ahhhhh, well!

Nevertheless, I am still hoping for some kind of nod to the show. Even if it is something that will go over most fans who haven't seen the show heads. I personally would love to see Indy lose his eye at the end of the movie, tying into 93 year old Indy, even though the consensus is he is not liked. But seeing ford with an eye patch in the indy costume and a giant scar down his face would be pretty bad ass! :up:

Jeremiah Jones

01-05-2008, 09:29 AM

I'm in a completley different time zone to most of you guys, so whenever I wander over a have a look on the boards theres always a ton of new stuff, although the last days argument is the best yet. Two pages of exasperation.

This is indeed tiresome, I vote we should just get on with the discussion we were having and just try not to get distracted into once again arguing with a rock. Its just not gonna do anything, and we'll all end up with higher blood pressures then usual.

Anyone here ever do any archaeology?

Matinee Idyll

01-05-2008, 05:25 PM

We are arguing with a broken record.

Source??

:D

salussolia

01-05-2008, 07:29 PM

metalinvader

01-05-2008, 08:57 PM

Source??

:D

Part of me wants to laugh while the other wants to slam my head into the wall....

:D :p

Matinee Idyll

01-05-2008, 10:55 PM

Part of me wants to laugh while the other wants to slam my head into the wall....

Source??

:D

metalinvader

01-05-2008, 11:46 PM

Alright,Just go away Matinee!!!:p :D

Matinee Idyll

01-06-2008, 12:51 AM

Alright,Just go away Matinee!!!:p :D

Sou...

Yeah, I'll stop now. :)

Jeremiah Jones

01-06-2008, 07:49 AM

Hmm, I'm not even sure why I posed that question.

Actually, you'd be surprised, theres all the physical hardship, and quite a few death defying leaps and stuff if you're in a mind through yourself into that sorta thing, falling down chimmneys, off cliffs, lost in trogldyte dwellings, mud, rain, also the only job I know of in the world where its perfectly acceptable to wear a fedora to work, well at least in the summer.

But Now I've REALLY gone off topic so I'll stop.

Sankara

01-06-2008, 09:38 AM

The reason why Harrison Ford appears in "Young Indy" was: Season 1 wasn't a success. Very soon ratings started to drop.

Lucas called Ford because the original "Indiana Jones" would bring better TV-Ratings. Ford is a good friend of Lucas and so he made the cameo appearance. That's it!

But even this couldn’t make the network happy, so after 21 episodes the series was cancelled...

Flannery10

01-06-2008, 10:22 AM

But even this couldn’t make the network happy, so after 21 episodes the series was cancelled...

There we go again, Sankara is staying off-topic:down: ; By the way I counted 32 episodes, just for the record!

Sankara

01-06-2008, 10:37 AM

No, it's not off-topic - it's the answere to the post of oki9Sedo.
Yes, Season 3 came later. But after 21 Episodes the series was cancelled.

Source: www.theraider.net

Adamwankenobi

01-06-2008, 11:13 AM

Stoo

03-02-2008, 08:36 PM

On page 4 of this thread there is a clue to a possible link to Young Indy.
(Or should I say, Old Indy.) CAUTION: It's in the SPOILER section!

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=12984&page=4

For those who are trying to stay spoiler-free, here's some hints:
1) It's green.
2) It has 4 wheels
3) It goes "VROOM!"

O.K. It's not a perfect match but it's pretty frickin' close!

Adamwankenobi

03-02-2008, 10:34 PM

Hmm. I'm guessing it might be this. Remember, this is of course my opinion, and therefore not a spoiler: :p

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/Adamwankenobi/OldIndyscar2.jpg

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd19/indy4fan/CIMG0579.jpg

I don't know, they look pretty different to me.

Stoo

03-02-2008, 11:26 PM

I don't know, they look pretty different to me.The one in the driveway right by the front door is the one I'm thinking of.

Mind you, I'm not saying that it *is* his car - I'm merely speculating...
(In the other thread, I mentioned some differences between the two models
but it does pique one's curiousity...Very suspicious, no?)

If it IS Indy's car then you could build an argument that would turn the
whole c*n*n issue topsy-turvy. If it is NOT his car...well then...I wouldn't
be heartbroken...

Sankara

03-03-2008, 01:17 AM

@Adamwankenobi
You want to see things! :-) Remember the pictures in Indy's house? There will be no reference to "Young Indy" in this movie... :-)

metalinvader

03-03-2008, 01:25 AM

@Adamwankenobi
You want to see the things! :-) Remember the pictures in Indy's house? There will be no reference to "Young Indy" in this movie... :-)

You didn't see the huge oil painting of Grey Cloud over Indy's bed?:p

Adamwankenobi

03-03-2008, 02:47 AM

@Adamwankenobi
You want to see things! :-) Remember the pictures in Indy's house? There will be no reference to "Young Indy" in this movie... :-)

Do you have some kind of Aaron H type of insider knowledge that we don't know about? :p

Finn

03-03-2008, 03:43 AM

Do you have some kind of Aaron H type of insider knowledge that we don't know about? :p He IS Indiana Jones!

Adamwankenobi

03-03-2008, 04:36 AM

If that's the case, then Indiana Jones is rejecting his own childhood! :whip:

Sankara

03-03-2008, 06:57 AM

His own childhood? *LOL*

Hey, did noticed the trees. Maybe these are the same trees in "YIJC" and KOTCS??? YES!!!!! Now we have link to Young Indy!!! YEAH!!!

Did you noticed the heaven??? Maybe.... :p

Jeremiah Jones

03-03-2008, 03:09 PM

only a few more months of this sort of 'logic' left to endure, then we'll see the movie and a thousand threads of frustration will come crashing down, one way or the other. man i can't wait!

Adamwankenobi

03-06-2008, 04:50 PM

Here's another crazy comparison:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/Adamwankenobi/Car1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/Adamwankenobi/Car2.jpg

Stoo

03-06-2008, 07:21 PM

Hey, did noticed the trees. Maybe these are the same trees in "YIJC" and KOTCS???Hey Sankara, I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed the trees.
There is a tree that is exactly the same as one in "Princeton, February 1916"!
Good eye!:p

metalinvader

03-06-2008, 07:38 PM

Has the tree done other work since Young Indy? I just checked on IMDB and couldn't find anything...

Adamwankenobi

03-06-2008, 08:05 PM

I think it made a cameo in Revenge of the Sith. :p

Stoo

03-06-2008, 08:15 PM

As matter of fact, it got quite a lot of screen time in 1999's "Lake Placid".
Some really, solid tree presence there...Knowing this, we've got a lot to
look forward to in "Crystal Skull"!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139414/

As a sapling, this tree can be seen in "Creepshow 2"

So, does anyone think that *could* be Indy's car?

Flannery10

03-06-2008, 08:16 PM

Was that on Kashyyk? Yeah, I think I saw it, too!:D

metalinvader

03-06-2008, 08:29 PM

As a sapling, this tree can be seen in "Creepshow 2"

So, does anyone think that *could* be Indy's car?

Creepshow 2 eh? Must have been during the Lake story.

As for Indy's car...If one is his car it's gotta be the green one.I'd hope Indy would never drive a yellow car!:p

Stoo

03-06-2008, 08:43 PM

Creepshow 2 eh? Must have been during the Lake story.

As for Indy's car...If one is his car it's gotta be the green one.I'd hope Indy would never drive a yellow car!:pThe photos of the car that I'm talking about are not in this thread, so don't worry about the yellow one.;)
...and, you're right about the "Creepshow 2" segment!

Tennessee Smith

03-09-2008, 10:12 PM

Ford wouldn't have cameo-ed in the damn thing, which means he couldn't have disliked it.

I agree. I really hope something is mentioned in a line or something athat would conect the 2 series. Maybe Indy discussing fighting during WWI or something.

Adamwankenobi

03-13-2008, 07:47 PM

Well, at the link (http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=40560) provided in another thread, I spotted Indy's binoculars he got from Theodore Roosevelt in "British East Africa, September 1909". Problem is, he gave those to his African friend at the end of that episode. :rolleyes: :down:

It also shows an item said to have been a gift from Bronislaw Malinowski from "Treasure of the Peacock's Eye". I haven't seen that one in a while, so can anyone tell me if he gives Indy a gift of some kind in that episode?

And of course, his diary can be seen in the top image.