DK Ultimate Guide

[Arab Swordsman]

I wanted to get some feedback from everyone on here. The DK Ultimate Guide is scheduled to come out in mid-April but contains information from KOTCS. I really love the DK books and think this one is going to be awesome but I'm worried about spoiling Indy 4 by picking this up when it first comes out. I'm sure the KOTCS stuff is going to be spread out through the entire book (like a page or two about Marion) so I don't think you'd be able to pick it up and just not read the KOTCS. But, it's an Indy book and I'm dying to get it when it comes out. I don't think it will be possible to get it before seeing the movie and not spoiling it.

[DoomsdayFAN]

If I were you, I'd buy it. Store it away for a month till you've seen the movie, then open it up!:up:

[throwmetheidol]

DK prints LOTS of copies of their books - I've never had any trouble in finding their guide and stickers books. Even Costco carries them!

But if you can't wait -- and need that rush from buying a new IJ item -- go for it! Then just don't read it until after you've seen the film :)

[Arab Swordsman]

I know I won't have a hard time finding a copy but I want to read the non Indy 4 stuff in the book without spoiling the new movie. I guess I'll have to show some restraint and wait until the 22nd to get the book. I don't want to ruin the movie.

[kongisking]

They won't have anywhere near enough info on KOTCS in the Ultimate Guide. Make no mistake, they'll lavishly go into detail on the trilogy, but the new movie is gonna get 1 or 2 pages of wimpy suggestive coverage, because the studio wants to keep all the good stuff secret. Remember the At World's End sections of the POTC Visual Guide? They completely short-shrifted that movie, after giving so much attention to the first 2!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: Hell, the Maelstrom page was just a crappy painting with a dopey description to entice people to go see it (not that that isn't quite a bad thing...). Trust me, KOTCS will be just as skimmed over completely in the IJUG. No ending, no important details, no in-depth exploration, nada!!! ARGGGGGH!!! STUPID MERCHANDISING QUACKS!!! :mad:

[Avilos]

I think your wrong kongisking. The Guides to the Star Wars prequels covered each film in detail. All were released before the films. Also this new film was documented much more carefully than the earlier ones. With more pictures taken of the props and costumes as is normal nowadays.

[Adamwankenobi]

How much of a presence does Young Indy have in the book?

[kongisking]

I think your wrong kongisking. The Guides to the Star Wars prequels covered each film in detail. All were released before the films. Also this new film was documented much more carefully than the earlier ones. With more pictures taken of the props and costumes as is normal nowadays.

Yeah, I do admit they did one helluva great job on the Star Wars Ultimate Guide, but I was VERY dissapointed how Disney completely glossed over At World's End in the POTC Guide. I hope Paramount/Lucas Books don't do the same, for the sake of building impatience and curiosity. :eek:

[TheLastCrusader]

A question about "the ultimate guide". Is there a difference bitween the so called limited edition by DK or is that just the same version? :confused:

[fixer79]

A question about "the ultimate guide". Is there a difference bitween the so called limited edition by DK or is that just the same version? :confused:

Here's yer answer:

http://www.theraider.net/news/newsimages/collectors_guide.jpg?t=12150

:)

[TheLastCrusader]

Here's yer answer:
:)
No, that's my question. Is that version the same one as this? http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/3544247/-/Product.html?searchstring=the+ultimate+guide+jones&searchsource=0

[deckard24]

So how does one get the Ultimate Guide if it's a limited edition? Where can I order one besides what appears to be the standard version from play.com.?

[Wu_Han]

The limited edition isn't worth the extra $50-60. I'll just get the standard hardcover edition.

[fixer79]

No, that's my question. Is that version the same one as this? http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/3544247/-/Product.html?searchstring=the+ultimate+guide+jones&searchsource=0

Nope. And the image I posted tells you why.
Read what's written next to the yellow arrows and the yellow 'plus'.
;)

[Maybe.Not Today]

Does anyone know where you'll be able to get the limited edition? They make it sound like the online lucasfilm store will have some...

[Lon]

I ordered mine through my local comic shop. Hopefully they'll get it since it's so limited.

Some pieces of my collection will be featured in the book.

[JackBurton]

First? Pictures

http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=40560

And a new one of Indy.

[Snakes]

Yesss! I can't wait for this book!

[fixer79]

Cool pictures! Thanks for the link, Jack! :D

[kongisking]

My, that is promising...excellent page design and info, looks very cool!

CANNOT WAIT! ARGGGGHHH!!! :cool:

[Dr.Sartorius]

Looks great. I hope he posts some more pics.

[metalinvader]

I love that picture of Indy's closet.The hung up holster is a real nice touch!

[Adamwankenobi]

I spotted Indy's binoculars he got from Theodore Roosevelt in YIJC. Problem is, he gave those to his African friend at the end of that episode. :rolleyes: :down:

[Dr.Sartorius]

I spotted Indy's binoculars he got from Theodore Roosevelt in YIJC. Problem is, he gave those to his African friend at the end of that episode. :rolleyes: :down:

Maybe he met up with the African friend later on and got them back. :hat:

[Adamwankenobi]

Eh... yeah you're right. :cool:

[Lao_Che]

Keeper of the Indycron says this is out yesterday. (http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=262471&tstart=0)

Anyone got a chance to look?

[TalonCard]

I spotted Indy's binoculars he got from Theodore Roosevelt in YIJC. Problem is, he gave those to his African friend at the end of that episode. :rolleyes: :down:

Actually, the binoculars call-out is very carefully written. It says "Indy's first pair of binoculars belonged to Theodore Roosevelt." It doesn't actually say that they're the same ones--probably because the author wanted to name-drop Teddy while not contradicting the YIJC for those in the know. :D :up:

I see too that Indy recieved a beaker from Madam Curie as a gift...didn't he meet her in one of the European Young Indy books?

TC

[Lao_Che]

It's interesting that the Mystery of the Blue's bookends aren't referenced. Anything with Ford as Jones seemed like a sure thing.

[ultraman7k]

we got this book in at work yesterday, ( i work in a bookstore) and it doesn't release until the 22nd, unless the bookstore wants to be slapped with a hefty fine. that being said, i got a healthy look at it.

[The Tingler]

Well, er, it seems to be out now in the UK! (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Indiana-Jones-Ultimate-Guide-Film/dp/1405328568/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210201184&sr=8-1)

[Iandiana]

I saw and read the book in 3 shops today.

Didn't read too far though.

[ultraman7k]

weird...wonder if it's some sort of Canadian strict on sale date...I'll have to double check that tomorrow.

Anyways, there isn't a whole lot on KOTCS, which makes me wonder if they will release a newer edition in the future.

[The Tingler]

I'll check to see if it's in my local UK bookstores later today...

[Stoo]

Actually, the binoculars call-out is very carefully written. It says "Indy's first pair of binoculars belonged to Theodore Roosevelt." It doesn't actually say that they're the same ones--probably because the author wanted to name-drop Teddy while not contradicting the YIJC for those in the know. :D :up:

I see too that Indy recieved a beaker from Madam Curie as a gift...didn't he meet her in one of the European Young Indy books?That's precisely my take on it, too. Then again, Indy gave Meto only the binoculars and not the case.
(Even though we never actually see one, it's certainly possilbe that Teddy gave him it him the next day.);)

Yes, Marie Curie is in "L'Ampoule Radioactive/Radioactive Bulb". This book really reaches into the far corners of Indy-lore. Wow!
It's interesting that the Mystery of the Blue's bookends aren't referenced. Anything with Ford as Jones seemed like a sure thing."Interesting"? It's downright INFURIATING! As Young Indy said, "I am incandescent with rage!":mad:

[iLUVINDY]

For those waiting for there:

Ultimate Guide: (Collectors Edition) from Indianajonesshop.com thats not going to release until august....

I just recieved an email saying they had shipped mine.... looks like they are shipping some before august!!!!!!!

[The Tingler]

For some reason our major bookstores in Oxford (Borders and Waterstones) didn't have any copies, but our lesser shop WHSmith had loads of Indy books! Including novelisations of the first three films AND the Complete Adventures!

As for the Ultimate Guide, I was really surprised that Fate of Atlantis barely got a mention, considering it's a game and comic!

[G-Man]

For those waiting for there:

Ultimate Guide: (Collectors Edition) from Indianajonesshop.com thats not going to release until august....

I just recieved an email saying they had shipped mine.... looks like they are shipping some before august!!!!!!!
Mine arrived today...

http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php?p=312365&postcount=1787

Turns out Harold Oxley was, like me, born in Leeds, yeah! :)

[iLUVINDY]

Mine arrived today...

http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php?p=312365&postcount=1787

Turns out Harold Oxley was, like me, born in Leeds, yeah! :)

Is there anything different from the regular and collectors edition in the context of the book???

[G-Man]

Is there anything different from the regular and collectors edition in the context of the book???
I've not seen the regular edition, but my guess is that the regular version is the first section of the collectors edition. Then the collectors version has the cut-aways repeated, with tracing paper overlays, and an envelope at the back with six art photos, which I think are the same six in each collectors edition... So I don't think they is any extra info in the collectors edition...

Also, the cover is less like faux leather, more like rubber!

[TalonCard]

Yes, Marie Curie is in "L'Ampoule Radioactive/Radioactive Bulb". This book really reaches into the far corners of Indy-lore. Wow!

Does Madam Curie give him a beaker in the book as well?

As for the Ultimate Guide, I was really surprised that Fate of Atlantis barely got a mention, considering it's a game and comic!

It seems like Luceno is putting the better-known sources on the back burner, and making references to more obscure ones. Fine by me!

TC

[Stoo]

Does Madam Curie give him a beaker in the book as well?I don't know since I've never read it! :( (I highly doubt it, though. "Here, Henry. Have a beaker. I have more than enough.")

[Iandiana]

Mine arrived today...

http://raven.theraider.net/showpost.php?p=312365&postcount=1787

Turns out Harold Oxley was, like me, born in Leeds, yeah! :)

Leeds, England? I live there and there's nothing to be proud of LOL.

Except Malcolm McDowell was also born here.

[Stoo]

Leeds, England? I live there and there's nothing to be proud of LOL.

Except Malcolm McDowell was also born here....and the greatest live album ever made was recorded at Leeds University on Feb. 14, 1970.;)

[Iandiana]

...and the greatest live album ever made was recorded at Leeds University on Feb. 14, 1970.;)

Who?

Gotta make that joke.

[FETT1]

...Found my copy @ COSTCO here in EDMONTON,ALBERTA... 15.99 plus tx...nice and cheap after seeing the 27.99 inner sleeve price...

fett1:whip:

[deckard24]

I picked mine up yesterday and flipped through it a bit last night. It's a really cool book, but it's heavy on the spoilers if you're trying to avoid them. The diagrams of the Chachapoyan temple, Pankot Palace, etc. are awesome!! They make the book in my opinon! :up:

[DocWhiskey]

Just picked it up an hour ago and I gotta say, this book is fantastic. SO many facts! And the time line is great.

[James]

The diagrams of the Chachapoyan temple, Pankot Palace, etc. are awesome!! They make the book in my opinon!

I loved the Canyon of the Crescent Moon diagram. The visual explanation for the "Word of God" was really cool.

[Lao_Che]

Hey I've only just noticed TheRaider.net is credited in the acknowledgements section in the back of the book.

So congratulations Gilles Verschuere and Jawad Mir. :hat: :up:

[Perhilion]

I picked mine up yesterday and flipped through it a bit last night. It's a really cool book, but it's heavy on the spoilers if you're trying to avoid them. The diagrams of the Chachapoyan temple, Pankot Palace, etc. are awesome!! They make the book in my opinon! :up:
I know, I love the diagrams. They're awesome!

[Dr Jones]

Yep, this IS a fantastic book and interesting read!


I was a bit edgy about spoling Indy IV, but reading the whole book I don't believe I have! Thankfully, there was things in the book that totally contradicted what I've read and seen about Indy IV, so really it's put me back in a poition not knowing what to take as bona-fide plot details and character traits!


Fantastic drawings and cross-sections (the booby-traps are quite remarkable!), and interesting timeline details (nice nod to Young Indy).



IMO, have a good read about the adventures of Indy et al, learn a lot of facts and interesting thoughts but fear not about spoling the story and secrets of Indy IV.

:up:

[TalonCard]

My copy came...but they're holding it at the post office and I can't get it until Monday. Grrrrr.,... :mad:


TC

[ultraman7k]

I noticed in the timeline of Indy's life, he and Ms.Seymour survive the Titanic? When did this happen, was it in one of the Young Indy novels?

[DocWhiskey]

I noticed in the timeline of Indy's life, he and Ms.Seymour survive the Titanic? When did this happen, was it in one of the Young Indy novels?

Wow, I didn't even notice that. Geez, Indy DID do everything.

[TalonCard]

Yeah, that's from the Young Indy novels. IIRC, he meets Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in that book too. :D

TC

[Adamwankenobi]

I noticed in the timeline of Indy's life, he and Ms.Seymour survive the Titanic? When did this happen, was it in one of the Young Indy novels?

That is from the book Young Indiana Jones and the Titanic Adventure.

But that would have made for one hell of an episode! :eek:

[Junior Jones]

Here's something interesting I noticed about the timeline. Young Indy goes to Transylvania in January 1918, and Istanbul in July 1918. Having recently watched Masks of Evil (which has Transylvania immediately following Istanbul) I thought perhaps James Luceno had reverted back to the original Young Indiana Jones Chronicles timeline, as opposed to the all-new re-edited Adventures of Young Indiana Jones. However, if I recall correctly, the Istanbul episode was originally set in September 1918. So who knows where these timeline dates are coming from.

[ATMachine]

Just noticed that in the timeline, Indy's mother's middle name is given as "Mary". I guess this is an attempt to reconcile Young Indy with the Grail Diary created for the Last Crusade adventure game, in which Indy's mom was called Mary since Lucas hadn't officially named her Anna yet.

Also, the spelling for Indy's middle name is "Walton," not "Walden".

[TalonCard]

Just noticed that in the timeline, Indy's mother's middle name is given as "Mary". I guess this is an attempt to reconcile Young Indy with the Grail Diary created for the Last Crusade adventure game, in which Indy's mom was called Mary since Lucas hadn't officially named her Anna yet.

I just love retcons for problems I didn't even know existed yet. :D You go, Luceno!

The timeline is a bit of a mess, though. I had hoped for a version that incorporated the new order of events from the DVD, but no dice. (When will we ever get that sorted out?) Plus the timeline contradicts the Lost Journal book to boot...on the upside, I noticed a few of the rare European books mentioned, and a few Marvel comics get a date asssigned, so that's nice.

Another note: what's all this about Indy's adventures with Jacob Kingston? Is that from the new game?

TC

[Lao_Che]

I just love retcons for problems I didn't even know existed yet. :D You go, Luceno!

The timeline is a bit of a mess, though. I had hoped for a version that incorporated the new order of events from the DVD, but no dice. (When will we ever get that sorted out?) Plus the timeline contradicts the Lost Journal book to boot...on the upside, I noticed a few of the rare European books mentioned, and a few Marvel comics get a date asssigned, so that's nice.

Another note: what's all this about Indy's adventures with Jacob Kingston? Is that from the new game?

TC

Yep. Jones' search is "for his former college professor, Charles Kingston". It's there on the video game page.

Maybe the new phase of Indiana Jones merch will bring about an Essential Chronology some day.

[Adamwankenobi]

Maybe the new phase of Indiana Jones merch will bring about an Essential Chronology some day.

That would be awesome! Luceno should write it too! :up: :up: :up: :up:

[TalonCard]

We definitely need a definitive chronology. The problem with Indiana Jones, unlike Star Wars, is that that academic schedules and real-world travel times circa 1930 need to be taken into account. Indy can't just hop off to Egypt for the weekend!

Is there any source that gives month and year dates for the new Young Indy DVDs in the proper sequence? The DVDs themselves, maybe?

I see that the "Xolmec's Raiders" Marvel storyline gets three different dates! The timeline lists it as Semptember, 1936, while the Raiders section says it's both "Years later" from the March, 1936 date for the opening of Raiders and 1937 in Sallah's section. They can't all three be right... :p

I've titled my timeline "Indiana Jones and the Timeline of Doom". Seems fitting... ;)

TC

[Stoo]

Is there any source that gives month and year dates for the new Young Indy DVDs in the proper sequence? The DVDs themselves, maybe?

I see that the "Xolmec's Raiders" Marvel storyline gets three different dates! The timeline lists it as Semptember, 1936, while the Raiders section says it's both "Years later" from the March, 1936 date for the opening of Raiders and 1937 in Sallah's section. They can't all three be right... :p

I've titled my timeline "Indiana Jones and the Timeline of Doom". Seems fitting... ;)What's even worse is that the DVD timeline included in the Bonus Features doesn't even match the DVDs! That's bad.:down:
Not a big surprise that "Xolmec's Raiders" (GREAT story!) has 3 dates. What a mess!:o Your timeline name is very a propos.

[Lao_Che]

We definitely need a definitive chronology. The problem with Indiana Jones, unlike Star Wars, is that that academic schedules and real-world travel times circa 1930 need to be taken into account. Indy can't just hop off to Egypt for the weekend!

Is there any source that gives month and year dates for the new Young Indy DVDs in the proper sequence? The DVDs themselves, maybe?

I see that the "Xolmec's Raiders" Marvel storyline gets three different dates! The timeline lists it as Semptember, 1936, while the Raiders section says it's both "Years later" from the March, 1936 date for the opening of Raiders and 1937 in Sallah's section. They can't all three be right... :p

I've titled my timeline "Indiana Jones and the Timeline of Doom". Seems fitting... ;)

TC

Indiana Jones and the Bad Dates surely? ;)

[TalonCard]

Indiana Jones and the Bad Dates surely? ;)

I hate you now. :p :hat: I'm going to have to put that quote from Sallah at the beginning of the timeline now... :D

TC

[TalonCard]

The retcons continue...here, and in the new Young Adult Raiders novel, Indy's anachronistic Ark-smashing bazooka is described as a "prototype granade launcher". I'm impressed; they're really trying here...

TC

[Indy fan 235]

I finally got to take a look at this book last night and I must say it's pretty great. I was surprised and delighted to see they had a page or two about the collectibles. That was pretty cool.

[iLUVINDY]

I got the Ultimate Guide Collectors Edition in the mail yesterday and I have to say..... i was kinda bumed out. The "Leather" cover feels and looks more like rubber then leather. The HQ pics are awesome and amazing. But would of preferred the cover to be more like the "Lost Journal":down:

[Snakes]

Is the collector's edition really worth getting? Ho much extra does it have?

[Mothy]

I got the DK Ultimate Guide a few days ago. It is worthy of a purchase, DK always put together a good, detailed book.

[The Drifter]

I love how the map of Temple of Doom shows the missing Shankara Stones.

[TalonCard]

Did you see the KOTCS head buried beneath the jungle in the Raiders illustration? It's marked "remnant of a lost civilization" or something like that. ;)

TC

[Katarn07]

I got this book as a gift from the teacher I aided for this past month of school. It's pretty cool. I think the fact she knew to get me an Indy thing is cooler than the book itself! I agree on those diagrams. I didn't really look them all over that well.

[Goonie]

I got the book a couple of days ago. I love the cutaway diagrams of Pankot Palace and the various temples in the movies, however it is missing these for Crystal Skull. Maybe, hopefully, a future edition may have diagams for the Chauchilla Cemetery with Orellana's tomb and for Akator.:cool:

[michael]

I got the book a couple of days ago. I love the cutaway diagrams of Pankot Palace and the various temples in the movies, however it is missing these for Crystal Skull. Maybe, hopefully, a future edition may have diagams for the Chauchilla Cemetery with Orellana's tomb and for Akator.:cool:
BUMP!

Ok, so I finally bought this. Don't know what took so long, but I did.

Ok, you mention those diagrams, YES, they are amazing. My favorite would probably be the Grail Temple. It's just a gorgeous look of it.

[Stoo]

Good for you, Michael! Better late than never.:)

The diagrams alone are worth the price of the book and fun to pore over. Whoever was hired to do those illustrations must have had a blast drawing them. Anyone know the artist’s name?:confused:

[michael]

Good for you, Michael! Better late than never.:)

The diagrams alone are worth the price of the book and fun to pore over. Whoever was hired to do those illustrations must have had a blast drawing them. Anyone know the artist’s name?:confused:
I don't have it handy and will check it later if nobody responds.

The missing two Sankara stones that were placed in (oooh so close Thuggees), I wonder if that was something the artist was allowed to do, I'm guessing Lucas didn't give a sh!t where they were located.

But you're right though, he must've had a blast.

[The Drifter]

I don't have it handy and will check it later if nobody responds.

The missing two Sankara stones that were placed in (oooh so close Thuggees), I wonder if that was something the artist was allowed to do, I'm guessing Lucas didn't give a sh!t where they were located.

But you're right though, he must've had a blast.

Yes, I loved looking at those! I sat there one day and looked at them for a few hours. And, the missing Sankara Stones being so close to where the Thuggee were digging was a great little touch.

[Montana Smith]

The diagrams alone are worth the price of the book and fun to pore over. Whoever was hired to do those illustrations must have had a blast drawing them. Anyone know the artist’s name?:confused:

The acknowledgement facing the title page reads: "Cutaway artworks by Richard Bonson and Richard Chasemore".

I'm also a big fan of that kind of art, and as with the Star Wars cutaway location and ship books, I can spend ages poring over them.

[Kooshmeister]

I have a couple of criticisms, because I'm a whiny loser who nitpicks way too much:

1. The book refers to Pat Roach's character in Last Crusade as a steward. His role is no mystery. He's called "Gestapo" in the credits. So how did James Luceno make this boo-boo?

2. This is a mistake everyone makes, but the guns used in the tank chase aren't Lugers, they're Walther P38's. The only character who wields a Luger in that sequence is Vogel. The weapon Indy shoots through three guys with, and tosses down to Henry, is a P38.

Beyond this, I liked the guide immensely although it could've used some more info on Dietrich. And despite using the comic book adaptations of the films, I'm also disappointed Luceno didn't use Vogel's first name Ernst given in the comic.

[Rocket Surgeon]

I have a couple of criticisms, because I'm a whiny loser who nitpicks way too much:

1. The book refers to Pat Roach's character in Last Crusade as a steward. His role is no mystery. He's called "Gestapo" in the credits. So how did James Luceno make this boo-boo?

2. This is a mistake everyone makes, but the guns used in the tank chase aren't Lugers, they're Walther P38's. The only character who wields a Luger in that sequence is Vogel. The weapon Indy shoots through three guys with, and tosses down to Henry, is a P38.

Beyond this, I liked the guide immensely although it could've used some more info on Dietrich. And despite using the comic book adaptations of the films, I'm also disappointed Luceno didn't use Vogel's first name Ernst given in the comic.Welcome back to whiny loserville. :hat:

Add to your list Short Round wearing a NY Yankees cap...

It's reliance on the comic book content, while fun doesn't elevate the book in any credibility categoies. My favorite, and biggest comic peeve is the fate of the Golden Idol.

You can't blame the comic writers for taking the Marrakesh plot point and running with it, but the Complete Making of puts that little story out of it's misery, (you really do have to buy that book...what the hell are you waiting for?).

The acknowledgement facing the title page reads: "Cutaway artworks by Richard Bonson and Richard Chasemore".

I'm also a big fan of that kind of art, and as with the Star Wars cutaway location and ship books, I can spend ages poring over them.
Richard Branson?!!

Sorry, reading that a bit too quick. The cut-aways are, indeed, the best part of the book. If only I could find Waldo!

[Montana Smith]

Welcome back to whiny loserville.

To quote someone else, we resemble that remark!

Richard Branson?!!

Sorry, reading that a bit too quick.

The Invisible Hand could be going under a flimsy pseudonym...

The cut-aways are, indeed, the best part of the book. If only I could find Waldo!

Turns out he was hiding in Pakistan under the noses of the local military. Sadly he's no longer with us as he wouldn't come quietly. Come to think of it, whatever happened to that Bin Laden chap?

[Kooshmeister]

One thing I felt was that they dropped the ball on what part of Raiders to depict as one of those big paintings; I didn't care one bit about the layout of the Nazis' Tanis dig site. I was more interested in seeing the path the truck chase takes laid out, something they did in the James Bond DK guide.

[Rocket Surgeon]

Add the Light Trap to the list of flubs...

...though I'd rather not have to choose between drawings! An entire book of cross sections would be great.

Throw Indy in there, like a Waldo search and it's even better!

[Von Stalhein]

The only character who wields a Luger in that sequence is Vogel.Which is unfortunate because you wouldn't think he would have a less-advanced weapon than his men.

Beyond this, I liked the guide immensely although it could've used some more info on Dietrich. And despite using the comic book adaptations of the films, I'm also disappointed Luceno didn't use Vogel's first name Ernst given in the comic.His name isn't mentioned in the film at all.

[Kooshmeister]

Which is unfortunate because you wouldn't think he would have a less-advanced weapon than his men.

The Indiana Jones Wiki lists Vogel as a WWI veteran (although I'm uncertain what the source of this information is). Likely, his Luger is his old service sidearm.

His name isn't mentioned in the film at all.

Neither is Toht's. What's your point?

[Von Stalhein]

The Indiana Jones Wiki lists Vogel as a WWI veteran (although I'm uncertain what the source of this information is).Do you deduce that from the iron cross he wears?

Likely, his Luger is his old service sidearm.A sensible hypothesis

Neither is Toht's. What's your point?
I pointed it out because you said you were disappointed his first name wasn't mentioned. Am I missing something?

[Kooshmeister]

Do you deduce that from the iron cross he wears?

I got it from the Indy Wiki, as mentioned. I'm unsure where it comes from (I'd originally thought this very book, but no such thing is mentioned), and I wasn't the one to add it to his bio. However it makes sense given his age and the time period.

I pointed it out because you said you were disappointed his first name wasn't mentioned. Am I missing something?

Yeah, their first names aren't given in the films, but that's beside the point. They were still given them in licensed sources.

By using Toht's first name, Luceno is saying that the novelization is a valid canonical source. Fine. But since he uses so much material from the comics, including the adaptation of Last Crusade, it's clear Luceno sees the comics as canon, too, so the exclusion of Vogel's first name from what is a canon source that he otherwise references repeatedly is strange.

[Lao_Che]

I got it from the Indy Wiki, as mentioned. I'm unsure where it comes from (I'd originally thought this very book, but no such thing is mentioned), and I wasn't the one to add it to his bio.

I'm unsure too. Couldn't see it skimming through the novelisations and official bios elsewhere anyway.

Apparently The Raven's very own Erik Pflueger (http://raven.theraider.net/member.php?u=7408) did it (http://indianajones.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ernst_Vogel&diff=prev&oldid=13190): "Vogel's medals and decorations, and basic facts about the SS, make these facts about Vogel's backstory clear."

I'm not going into things the Ultimate Guide got wrong. ;)

[Montana Smith]

I'm unsure too. Couldn't see it skimming through the novelisations and official bios elsewhere anyway.

Apparently The Raven's very own Erik Pflueger (http://raven.theraider.net/member.php?u=7408) did it (http://indianajones.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ernst_Vogel&diff=prev&oldid=13190): "Vogel's medals and decorations, and basic facts about the SS, make these facts about Vogel's backstory clear."

I'm not going into things the Ultimate Guide got wrong. ;)

In this image you can clearly see the ribbon for an Iron Cross (2nd class) pinned to Vogel's tunic button.

http://www.theraider.net/films/crusade/gallery/dvdscreenshots/220.jpg

1st class crosses were issued without ribbons, while the 2nd class was concealed within the tunic. The ribbon for a First World War cross had black and white stripes:

http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/german/imperial/medals/wwi_iron.jpg

On the non-combatant award the stripes are reversed:

http://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/german/imperial/medals/noncombatant.jpg

Since the First World War was the last conflict the Iron Cross was awarded in, before being reinstituted by Hitler on 1st September 1939, it is clear that Vogel was a World War I combat veteran.

[Rocket Surgeon]

I'm not going into things the Ultimate Guide got wrong. ;)
Busy for the next decade or so?:hat:

In this image you can clearly see the ribbon for an Iron Cross (2nd class) pinned to Vogel's tunic button.

If ever there was a thread that screamed for you to make it.

"Military Insignia"

Stop being such a miser with the data!

[Montana Smith]

If ever there was a thread that screamed for you to make it.

"Military Insignia"

Stop being such a miser with the data!

It would be an interesting project to go through all the movies taking screen captures of any insignia that appear.

Stoo already made thouse great exploded composites of Dietrich and Gobler. Be good to have everything together in one thread.

I'll start a thread and kick it off with Vogel's Iron Cross.