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Merkel
05-20-2008, 03:29 AM
From soundtrack.net:
"This fall, Concord Music Group will also reissue the soundtracks to the original Indiana Jones trilogy, which have been out of print for nearly a decade, as part of a four-CD boxed set. "
http://www.soundtrack.net/news/article/?id=1183
The question is, do the 3 complete scores fit in 4 cd's? If they are all filled with 75 minutes, we'll have 300 minutes, or 5 hours worth of music.
According to my calculations, The Last Crusade has about 105 minutes of music. Raiders has maybe 85. Does Temple of Doom fit in 110 minutes? It just might actually...
Agent Spalko
05-20-2008, 03:41 AM
The question is: Are these "re-issues" or will we finally get the complete scores to Doom and Crusade? If so then they will require at least 2 discs each. Both of my unofficial bootlegs are on 2 discs each. Sounds to me like these are just reissues of the original releases which would be extremely disappointing.
Dust McAlan
05-20-2008, 03:49 AM
At the moment, the idea of a four-cd box set sounds like it's Raiders, Temple, Crusade and Kingdom all in one set. What would aggravate me about this is that I own the Raiders and Crusade discs, and I've preordered the Kingdom CD. So that means I'd have to buy a four disc set for just Temple?
I'm hoping that's not the case.
digitalfreaknyc
05-20-2008, 05:00 AM
It's going to be just the 4 soundtracks. I bet you we'll get nothin' reissured.
Michael24
05-20-2008, 12:19 PM
At the very least, something like Fox's 1994 STAR WARS ANTHOLOGY would be nice. The first three discs would be RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, and THE LAST CRUSADE, then the fourth disc could be previously unreleased material and such.
Otherwise, it'll likely just be all four scores packaged together in one set, which seems kinda stupid (unless the first three are indeed expanded somewhat), since many people will likely have already gotten KOTCS and they'll have a second unneeded copy if they have to buy the set to get all or some of the others.
Dr Jones
05-20-2008, 12:38 PM
I just hope we get the previous 3 movie soundtracks. Obviously I missed them first time, so I'd love to add them to KOTCS and hear the original trilogy in all it's fotune and glory!
:up:
Crack that whip
05-20-2008, 12:40 PM
I was just coming here to post this myself! I'm guessing from the wording that this means a boxed collection of straight reissues of the previous three albums plus the new one (and I wouldn't presume to know whether it means the original program for Raiders or the 1995 expansion), but I'm hopeful for something more.
Ignatius Stone
05-22-2008, 02:11 PM
Really hope it'll be the expanded Raiders soundtrack.
Whatever the case, it'll be an essential purchase.
Dust McAlan
05-22-2008, 02:31 PM
If they're reissuing and don't include the 1995 expanded Raiders, they're insane. It's been released, and is comprehensive enough as it is.
Crack that whip
05-23-2008, 10:56 AM
Well, it's not comprehensive enough for everyone, but it'll probably suffice for most people.
The 1995 DCC expanded release actually has two distinct editions - the CD, and a limited-pressing (3000 copies) double LP edition, the latter of which actually features additional music not included on the CD - the cue "The Well of the Souls" is more than twice as long as the version on the CD, running a total of 11 minutes, 27 seconds. This is the only official release this additional material has gotten - so far.
It's harder to produce really long CDs (ones longer than the Raiders expanded CD, say) and still retain full compatibility with all CD players, which I imagine is why the expanded CD doesn't have all the music of the expanded LP (though it might instead have been done just to confer additional "collectible" status on the LP), but longer CDs can be done, and probably more easily today than in 1995, say. One might therefore hope the boxed set will include at least all the Raiders music from the double LP, if not more than that (which it might not, if the box is going to be a straight "one disc per film, so four discs for four films" affair).
It's not really clear the box will include Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, though; it could conceivably be just the "classic trilogy," in which case it would pretty much have to have lots of additional music from those three if it's to fill four discs. I'm somewhat hoping this will be the case - while it would be somewhat annoying to still see "trilogy"-type compilations of material being produced now that there's a fourth movie, a four-disc set that included all four movies would surely include just the same KotCS disc that many of us are buying now, while alloting just one disc for each of the first three. That would still be enough disc space to add additional material for each of the first three, but not as much as there would be if there were a fourth disc as well, and either way we're probably not going to get any additional KotCS music from the box that's not already on the just-released album, whereas we should get an awful lot of additional music from the first three if the box covers only those. But we (well, I) just don't know yet; we'll just have to wait and see...
Agent Spalko
05-23-2008, 11:23 AM
Not expanded=No $ale.
Montana_Jones
05-23-2008, 02:09 PM
Not expanded=No $ale.Agreed! I wanted 2-CD's EACH of the OST's for Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade! Pisses me the frak off! I still have to settle for my still incomplete 2-CD OST's for ToD and LC?! This is unforgivable to be honest.
Hopefully they'll have enough backlash and perhaps in 2009 release PROPER 2-CD versions for the OST's of the 1980's Indy Jones Trilogy. For each film of course.
michael
09-01-2008, 07:00 PM
BUMP!
Anyone heard or read anything about this since?
Crack that whip
09-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Since my last post in this thread I read something somewhere (no link handy at the moment, sorry, but I'll try to dig one up later) indicating the box will indeed be for all four movies, and therefore one score per disc. This means it will definitely not have all the music from any of the four, and presumably nothing new at all that we don't already have for the fourth in particular, since the existing (and currently widely available) single CD for it is pretty full already (though still short a lot of music).
However, there could be a little additional Raiders music squeezed in that wasn't on the 1995 CD release (which itself had quite a bit not on the original '81 album program), there could be a bit more newly-released material for Last Crusade (the original soundtrack runs a little under 59 minutes, so it could conceivably be expanded by as much as 20 minutes or so and still fit on a disc), and Temple of Doom could have perhaps twice as much music as the previous soundtrack, which has only about 40 1/2 minutes of music.
That said, it should also be noted that just because CDs can hold more music than the vinyl LPs the original album programs were designed for doesn't necessarily mean there'll be anything new released. AFM licensing issues might make it prohibitively expensive to issue any new music from the last three movies that wasn't on their original soundtracks already (Raiders would be a different case, as its music was recorded by the London Symphony Orchestra and not subject to the same reuse fees that surely exist for the other three). That the set will include a disc for each of the four movies rather than being just for the "OT" would certainly seem to make expansions less likely (since obviously, if it were four discs for three movies, there'd have to be a lot more music than there is on the previous Raiders, Temple and Crusade releases). It could very well be that the selling point is simply having the previous soundtracks available again at all, since they've been hard to get for a while now.
But we'll see. If nothing else, I guarantee the label and Lucasfilm are aware of the interest in expanded releases of these scores, and I do think they'll try to release expansions if it's feasible...
indyclone25
09-01-2008, 07:29 PM
i went on the concord website yesterday and found nothing
michael
09-01-2008, 07:31 PM
Since my last post in this thread I read something somewhere (no link handy at the moment, sorry, but I'll try to dig one up later) indicating the box will indeed be for all four movies, and therefore one score per disc. This means it will definitely not have all the music from any of the four, and presumably nothing new at all that we don't already have for the fourth in particular, since the existing (and currently widely available) single CD for it is pretty full already (though still short a lot of music).
However, there could be a little additional Raiders music squeezed in that wasn't on the 1995 CD release (which itself had quite a bit not on the original '81 album program), there could be a bit more newly-released material for Last Crusade (the original soundtrack runs a little under 59 minutes, so it could conceivably be expanded by as much as 20 minutes or so and still fit on a disc), and Temple of Doom could have perhaps twice as much music as the previous soundtrack, which has only about 40 1/2 minutes of music.
That said, it should also be noted that just because CDs can hold more music than the vinyl LPs the original album programs were designed for doesn't necessarily mean there'll be anything new released. AFM licensing issues might make it prohibitively expensive to issue any new music from the last three movies that wasn't on their original soundtracks already (Raiders would be a different case, as its music was recorded by the London Symphony Orchestra and not subject to the same reuse fees that surely exist for the other three). That the set will include a disc for each of the four movies rather than being just for the "OT" would certainly seem to make expansions less likely (since obviously, if it were four discs for three movies, there'd have to be a lot more music than there is on the previous Raiders, Temple and Crusade releases). It could very well be that the selling point is simply having the previous soundtracks available again at all, since they've been hard to get for a while now.
But we'll see. If nothing else, I guarantee the label and Lucasfilm are aware of the interest in expanded releases of these scores, and I do think they'll try to release expansions if it's feasible...
Thanks for the update man.
robisindy
09-02-2008, 06:48 PM
I suppose that if this release is going to be basically the same as what is already out there, then we probably won't hear about expanded releases for some time, even if they are planned, since any announcement of extended versions would hurt the sales of this release.
I'll just keep waiting.
Crack that whip
09-03-2008, 04:24 PM
MovieMusic's tracklist for an upcoming release of Raiders of the Lost Ark from Concord Records includes previously unreleased selections!!! YAY!!! (http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/raidersofthelostark-rmst)
In the Jungle
The Idol Temple
Escape from the Temple
Flight from Peru
Washington Men/Indy's Home
A Thought for Marion/To Nepal
The Medallion
Flight to Cairo
The Basket Game
Bad Dates
The Map Room/Dawn
Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well
The Well of the Souls
Indy Rides the Statue
The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing
Desert Chase
Marion's Theme/The Crate
The German Sub
Ride to the Nazi Hideout
Indy Follows the Ark
The Miracle of the Ark
Washington Ending & Raiders March
:D :up: :whip: :D :up: :whip: :D :up: :whip:
Crack that whip
09-03-2008, 05:02 PM
And now, further detail:
Indiana Jones: The Complete Soundtracks Collection
For the first time ever all four Indiana Jones soundtrack albums are available in this limited edition collectible CD boxed set! Included are expanded and remastered versions of Raiders of the Lost Ark, and exclusive to this set: Indiana Jones & The Temple Doom, and Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade. This set also includes the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull soundtrack plus a bonus interview CD with composer John Williams on the making of this historic music. Housed in a handsome embossed slip case and presented with a full color booklet, this set reintroduces the iconic original Indiana Jones film scores by Oscar-winning composer John Williams - out of print since 1995! A must for fans and collectors alike, all will rejoice in having all these soundtracks presented together expanded with previously unreleased music - along with this summer's blockbuster Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull available together for the very first time. Relive the musical adventure today!
So, apparently the expanded Raiders of the Lost Ark will be available both in the boxed set and individually, while the expanded Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade will be exclusive to the boxed set. I know where my money's going...
:D :up: :whip:
(Oh, and the box is due out November 11!)
Ajax the Great
09-03-2008, 05:05 PM
Thanks very much Crack That Whip! I am absolutely ecstatic about this, as I've been seeking the Raiders soundtrack for a long time now to complete my Indy music collection. The track listings seem much more extensive than those of the 1995 version, which is indeed pleasant to hear (no pun intended).
emtiem
09-03-2008, 05:48 PM
Ooh thanks for that; I'll be ver interested to see what's new on the Temple and Crusade soundtracks: I have bootlegs of both and there's some great music not on the original albums (but sadly in rubbish quality on the bootlegs). Exciting stuff; presumably they won't be fully expanded, but I'll be happy as long as it's the tracks I like. Not too bothered about Raiders as there's not much that wasn't on the 2cd set released a few years back (and I've got a botleg with tracks like Government Men on; it's not all that exciting).
What I'd really like is a re-recording of Last Crusade; the original orchestra just weren't up to the job!
emtiem
09-03-2008, 05:54 PM
And now, further detail:
So, apparently the expanded Raiders of the Lost Ark will be available both in the boxed set and individually, while the expanded Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade will be exclusive to the boxed set. I know where my money's going...
:D :up: :whip:
(Oh, and the box is due out November 11!)
Actually; do you have a link for that? I'd like to keep an eye on the page myself! :)
Crack that whip
09-03-2008, 06:05 PM
Yes, I do! It did first come out in a forum thread at MM (http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/003187.html), but I'm inclined to trust the source.
Of course, if this is getting out now I expect we'll see something on Concord's own site or something any time now, so we should probably just keep an eye on any such official outlets.
:)
Forbidden Eye
09-03-2008, 06:19 PM
Is the KOTCS soundtrack expanded as well?
This is great news! I don't have any of the three soundtracks, so the fact they're FINALLY releasing music yet to be released along with the original soundtracks makes me all giddy inside!
Going on my holiday wish-list for sure!
Crack that whip
09-03-2008, 06:25 PM
If I understand the press release and other postings correctly, all three older scores will be expanded, but not Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull; I believe the box will have one disc per movie, and the existing Crystal Skull soundtrack is already pretty close to filling the disc to maximum capacity. Raiders of the Lost Ark will apparently be complete, though; I hadn't thought the whole thing would fit on a disc, but it should certainly be close, and I guess it might be possible after all.
The other two both have scads of music that wasn't on the original soundtrack albums, and more music than will fit on just one disc for either movie, but there's room to add quite a bit to each of them before running out of room - the original albums were configured more with cassettes and vinyl records in mind, and the CD contents reflect that. There could easily be another 20 minutes or so added to Crusade and 40 or so added to Temple, and apparently that's what's going to happen.
DarthMickey
09-03-2008, 07:00 PM
Sold and Sold! Thanks the Maker! :D
IndyCon
09-03-2008, 08:49 PM
YES YES AND YES
I've dreamed of this for years I don't have the first three soundtracks so this is great I'm going to have a great time sitting back and relaxing while listening to the soundtracks I can't wait.
indyclone25
09-03-2008, 11:58 PM
i can't wait my kotcs soundtrack i have is already not playing well and i will love to have another copy , but buying the all four films will be great , yes the holy grail of music has been found ----lol
AnImaginaryBoy
09-04-2008, 04:39 AM
That is rather exciting! I just hope it'll be available in England....
Darth Vile
09-04-2008, 05:04 AM
Fantastic news....:D
robisindy
09-04-2008, 06:50 AM
Where do I sign up? This is truly fantastic news. The amount of music missing from Temple of Doom's score is ridiculous, and I'm thrilled that we finally get an expanded release.
If anyone finds more updated information on this set, please post it here. The more details the better!
Cagefighterkip
09-04-2008, 02:17 PM
it says only Indy trilogy?
i want the expanded KOTCS soundtrack on there as well...
Crack that whip
09-04-2008, 04:25 PM
The current release for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is already pretty full, and if they were going to squeeze more music onto it they might as well have done so when they first issued it just a few months ago.
That said, they could always remove the four concert arrangement cues at the beginning of the album to make more room for the film score proper. That seems to be what they've done with Raiders of the Lost Ark, actually - the straight-up "Raiders March" (Indiana Jones theme) cue that opened the previous album seems to have come off, allowing for the inclusion of additional score in the movie. That's too bad, but necessary if they didn't want to go with more than one disc per movie, and at least it does give people a bit more reason to hang onto their existing Raiders discs while still wanting this set. If they'd done the same with Skull, it'd make buying the set more palatable for people who already shelled out for the individual Skull soundtrack just months earlier - indeed, it would mean people who don't already have the individual Skull soundtrack would still have a reason to get it even after they get this boxed set.
indyclone25
09-04-2008, 05:00 PM
i really don't care i would have bought it anyways , but i just wish that concord records would go ahead and put up the info for the box set . why wait to the last month or even wait til the boxset is released ?
Crack that whip
09-04-2008, 05:07 PM
Meanwhile, that individual release of the expanded Raiders of the Lost Ark on its own? It's currently up for pre-order (http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=10404#) from Screen Archives Entertainment - for just $8.95 (!!!).
vf wing
09-04-2008, 05:20 PM
A definite must-buy! Even tho i've got 2-disc boots for the earlier films, the quality here will certainly outclass them. For Skull, it'd be nice to change up the track selection for those of us who already own the single release. Not expecting it really, but it could happen!
kevblee
09-04-2008, 05:35 PM
Is there anywhere to find pre-order or release date info on the new collectors set soundtracks coming out?
Crack that whip
09-04-2008, 05:43 PM
I'm sure that same site will have it a little later. It appears the individual Raiders disc is coming out a few weeks before the boxed set. I think we'll see the boxed set listed there soon.
I'm just a bit concerned about the "limited edition" status. It's going to sell out in seconds if it's limited to 3000 copies, as is common for expanded releases of domestically-recorded vintage film scores, but I don't know what the edition limit is going to be...
JediPug1
09-04-2008, 05:56 PM
Oh, this is very cool news indeed! I know some folks who'll be very excited about getting the expanded soundtracks... :up:
mattzilla2010
09-06-2008, 03:41 PM
The press release for the complete score box set can be found here:
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1045&Itemid=1
:D I am sooooooooooooo excited about this!
emtiem
09-06-2008, 07:32 PM
The press release for the complete score box set can be found here:
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1045&Itemid=1
:D I am sooooooooooooo excited about this!
Wonderful; thank you! :)
Luke Skywalker
09-08-2008, 06:06 PM
TOD and LC will get expanded treatment. Confirmed by Concord to JWFan.net:
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1048&Itemid=1
YAY!
mattzilla2010
09-08-2008, 07:17 PM
TOD and LC will get expanded treatment. Confirmed by Concord to JWFan.net:
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1048&Itemid=1
YAY!
Awesomeness. :whip:
Crack that whip
09-08-2008, 07:22 PM
I was just coming here to post it myself!
Interesting... from the wording of the release, it sounds as though there may be individual releases of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade sometime after the boxed set comes out...
martinland
09-09-2008, 12:43 PM
The press release for the complete score box set can be found here:
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1045&Itemid=1
:D I am sooooooooooooo excited about this!Wooooow! Yeehaaaaa! :whip: :whip: :whip:
emtiem
09-09-2008, 03:44 PM
Lovely- I'll be very excited to hear what tracks are in there.
IAdventurer01
09-09-2008, 07:00 PM
I'm looking forward to this - even if just for the TOD soundtrack. That thing's impossible to find for a reasonable price. :up:
The expanded Raiders CD looks nice, but it doesn't have Raider's March at the beginning - which on my current Raiders CD is my favorite rendition of the march.:down:
indyclone25
09-09-2008, 09:17 PM
i can't wait --- but now i have a dilema (mispelled i know)--- should i buy the raiders cd on oct 14th or wait for the box set in nov? or just buy it anyways and buy the complete set in nov? hmmmmm?
YouNeverKnow
09-09-2008, 10:43 PM
I'm gonna wait to just buy the individual discs. Box sets are cool but I already bought KotCS and I don't want repeats.
vf wing
09-11-2008, 12:50 AM
The interview disc is a nice incentive. I'm springing for the box! :whip:
Dr.Sartorius
09-11-2008, 01:27 AM
TOD and LC will get expanded treatment. Confirmed by Concord to JWFan.net:
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1048&Itemid=1
YAY!
Great news. Hopefully we'll get at least 70 minutes of music for the Temple of Doom release. The Last Crusade CD also better include the Portuguese Coast prologue music.
IndyAJA77
09-11-2008, 06:23 AM
OK, so I went to that link, but I still have a question, does this mean that the Raiders CD will have even more tracks than the expanded one released several years ago?
"All three original soundtracks (Raiders, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade) will be expanded and remastered, including material never before issued on CD"[ emphasis mine].
The above quote seems to imply that's the case, but is there that much more from Raiders to be added and if so what? I guess we'll have to wait until they release track names or the set is released.
indyclone25
09-11-2008, 07:27 AM
here is what was listed for the raiders of the lost ark ----------
1.In the Jungle
2.The Idol Temple
3.Escape from the Temple
4.Flight from Peru
5.Washington Men/Indy's Home
6.A Thought for Marion/To Nepal
7.The Medallion
8.Flight to Cairo
9.The Basket Game
10.Bad Dates
11.The Map Room/Dawn
12.Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well
13.The Well of the Souls
14.Indy Rides the Statue
15.The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing
16.Desert Chase
17.Marion's Theme/The Crate
18.The German Sub
19.Ride to the Nazi Hideout
20.Indy Follows the Ark
21.The Miracle of the Ark
22.Washington Ending & Raiders March
from the raiders of the lost ark from 1995------------
1. the raiders march
2.maintitle;south america 1936*
3.in the idol's temple**
4.flight from peru
5.journey to nepal*
6.the medallion*
7.to cairo
8.the basket game**
9.the map room :dawn
10.reunion and the dig begins*
11.the well of souls**
12.airplane fight*
13.desert chase**
14.marions theme
15.the german*/to the nazi hideout*
16.ark trek*
17.the miracle of the ark
18.the warehouse*
19.end credits
*previously unreleased
**contains previously unreleased material
original release on cd
1.raiders of the lost ark
2.flight from peru
3.the maproom:dawn
4.the basket game
5.the well of souls
6.desert chase
7.marions theme
8.the miracle of the ark
9.the raiders march
other than some name changes to the titles of some tracks i think the extra three tracks will be
5.Washington Men/Indy's Home
10.Bad Dates
14.Indy Rides the Statue
let me know what you think the new tracks are ?
Luke Skywalker
09-11-2008, 01:39 PM
other than some name changes to the titles of some tracks i think the extra three tracks will be
5.Washington Men/Indy's Home
10.Bad Dates
14.Indy Rides the Statue
let me know what you think the new tracks are ?
Yes those are the new tracks.
Maybe The Well of the Souls scene is complete, meaning 6 minutes are 1st time on CD
michael
09-12-2008, 01:32 PM
This is just amazing news. I can not wait!
AnImaginaryBoy
09-13-2008, 04:24 PM
I just hope it'll be easy to get hold of in England! :(
Benraianajones
09-13-2008, 08:41 PM
Do any soundtracks for LC currently exist that contain that small section of music that plays whislt Donovan is rapidly aging?
indyclone25
09-14-2008, 08:18 AM
i'll have to check my extended soundtrack to hear if it is on there
Attila the Professor
09-14-2008, 05:11 PM
Do any soundtracks for LC currently exist that contain that small section of music that plays whislt Donovan is rapidly aging?
That's a negative on the normal one, as you probably know - the track entitled "The Keeper of the Grail" cuts off just before the aging, but does include the part where Donovan says "this truly is the cup of the King of Kings" and also begins to drink. It stops there.
indyclone25
09-16-2008, 01:17 AM
wnet on concord records website, and they still haven't posted anything about the raiders soundtrack or the box set. when are they going to talk about after it hits the stores ?
Luke Skywalker
09-19-2008, 02:26 PM
Do any soundtracks for LC currently exist that contain that small section of music that plays whislt Donovan is rapidly aging?
Yes it is.
The only music missing from the bootlegs is 'The floor is on fire'
There is a track called like that in the boots, but its a previous scene.
michael
09-19-2008, 03:06 PM
I'm interested to know what finale/end credits they will choose for the Temple of Doom soundtrack. I mean there are 3 from what I know of. I'll be rooting for the one that has the British Troops cue that goes into the Raiders March.
emtiem
09-20-2008, 10:29 AM
I'm interested to know what finale/end credits they will choose for the Temple of Doom soundtrack. I mean there are 3 from what I know of. I'll be rooting for the one that has the British Troops cue that goes into the Raiders March.
Yeah; the one in the film has that bizarre and sudden thumping on the drums just before the final reprise of the Raiders march; it's quite a shock!
The only music missing from the bootlegs is 'The floor is on fire'
There is a track called like that in the boots, but its a previous scene.
It'll be good to have this, though, as I've never found a bootleg with anything less than rubbish sound quality.
What I'd really like is a re-recording of Crusade by a better orchestra: ideally the LSO! Some of the bootlegs have concert pieces taken from the soundtrack, and this verison of the Raiders March is the worst ever: I had to conclude that there was no conductor present at all! Shocking!
Luke Skywalker
09-21-2008, 01:26 PM
the British Troops cue that goes into the Raiders March.
And what source is that from?
michael
09-24-2008, 08:30 PM
Picture of the Box Set...and pre-order at amazon.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510lS8h9yhL._SS500_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Soundtracks-Collection-Willilams/dp/B001G562ZU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1222306073&sr=8-5
indyclone25
09-24-2008, 08:46 PM
i ordered mine aweek ago --- glad to see they have a picture of the box set
mattzilla2010
09-24-2008, 08:58 PM
Are my eyes deceiving me or is the bonus disc labeled "Interviews and More Music From Indiana Jones"?
More music = :up:
emtiem
09-25-2008, 07:17 AM
Oh that's lovely- thanks for that; just off to place my order!
Crack that whip
09-25-2008, 09:15 AM
That's indeed what it says! I have to imagine the concert arrangement of "The Raiders March" (aka Indy's theme) that's been dropped from the Raiders disc to make more room for the film-specific score proper has been moved to the interview disc; perhaps if we're lucky it'll have some additional material... :up:
Darth Vile
09-25-2008, 09:30 AM
It's still somewhat of a mystery as to what they will contain. Will it be the full monty or just a couple of additional tracks?
I'm hoping that the individual CD's for TOD and TLC are extended versions, and that disc 5 contains other never before released music (similar to the original Star Wars Anthology box set).
There is so much good music, especially for TLC, that is as yet unreleased... I’m just hoping that we get those key pieces that I need in my collection e.g. "Journey Across the Himalayas", "Underground Chaos", "Portuguese Coast", "Full Tank Chase", "Elsa's fate" etc.
Crack that whip
09-25-2008, 09:34 AM
It's still somewhat of a mystery as to what they will contain. Will it be the full monty or just a couple of additional tracks?
I'm hoping that the individual CD's for TOD and TLC are extended versions, and that disc 5 contains other never before released music (similar to the original Star Wars Anthology box set).
There is so much good music, especially for TLC, that is as yet unreleased... I’m just hoping that we get those key pieces that I need in my collection e.g. "Journey Across the Himalayas", "Underground Chaos", "Portuguese Coast", "Full Tank Chase", "Elsa's fate" etc.
It's pretty clear at this point the CDs for the second and third movies (both in the box, and the individual releases shortly after) will indeed be expanded, though they definitely still won't be complete if they're single discs. That said, there's indeed plenty of room for lots of additional material beyond what we got the first times around, particularly for Temple of Doom.
Darth Vile
09-25-2008, 09:42 AM
It's pretty clear at this point the CDs for the second and third movies (both in the box, and the individual releases shortly after) will indeed be expanded, though they definitely still won't be complete if they're single discs. That said, there's indeed plenty of room for lots of additional material beyond what we got the first times around, particularly for Temple of Doom.
I hope you are correct. ;)
I can live without every single piece of music ever recorded for TOD and TLC, but there is probably circa 20-30 minutes of material that is a must (IMHO). They certianly should be able to put an additional 20-30 minutes onto those 5 discs no problem.
Any particlar piece that you are drooling in anticipation of?
singsingjohnny
09-25-2008, 10:04 AM
Wow, that looks like a great set...and a good price to boot! :whip:
michael
09-27-2008, 12:20 PM
Well, here is the official press release.
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1052&Itemid=1
INDIANA JONES: THE COMPLETE SOUNDTRACKS COLLECTION - OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE PDF Print E-mail
Saturday, 27 September 2008
5-CD set produced by Laurent Bouzereau includes EXPANDED VERSIONS of Raiders, Temple of Doom, and Last Crusade, PLUS additional previously unreleased music from the films.
Concord Records to Release Indiana Jones: The Complete Soundtracks Collection on November 11, 2008!
On November 11, 2008 Concord Records will release Indiana Jones: The Complete Soundtracks Collection. This limited-edition boxed set will include all four of Oscar-winning composer John Williams' soundtracks for the Indiana Jones film series - RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and this year's summer blockbuster Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Exclusive to this set are expanded and remastered versions of the original soundtracks for the first three films. The set will also include a bonus CD featuring additional previously unreleased music from the films, as well as excerpts from interviews with Williams, director Steven Spielberg, and executive producer/story creator George Lucas in which they discuss the making of the music for these historic films.
Produced by Laurent Bouzereau, the boxed set will be presented in a handsome, embossed leatherette slip case with a full-color booklet that offers more than 25 pages of behind-the-scenes photos, storyboards and other memorable images from the films. This new set reintroduces and expands the first three iconic Indiana Jones soundtrack albums, which have been collectors' items for many years.
"I've had the great honor and pleasure of visiting the behind-the-scenes of the four Indiana Jones films from several angles: first as a writer/director/producer of documentaries, then as a collaborator on a book chronicling the making of all four films," Bouzereau says. "I felt I had come full circle when I was asked to collaborate on assembling expanded CD soundtrack albums for Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. The result represents a unique musical experience for listeners and fans of the now-classic film series that stimulates the imagination and makes you want to watch the films again."
With 45 Academy Award nominations and five Oscars® under his belt, John Williams has composed many of the most famous film scores in history, and has collaborated with Steven Spielberg for the past 35 years on 23 films including Jaws, E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial and Schindler's List. Williams also composed the acclaimed scores for George Lucas' STAR WARS saga, Superman: The Movie, Memoirs of a Geisha, and the first three Harry Potter films.
Source: Concord Records.
Crack that whip
09-28-2008, 08:36 AM
Sweeeeet!!! :up: :whip:
Mike00spy
09-28-2008, 10:49 AM
I wonder that since the original 3 cds are already expanded, what will the final disc contain?
There is plenty of room on that disc (I can't imagine the interviews being that long).
It might be possible that some unreleased music from Skull will make it. It would make sense that way- they wouldn't have to produce an new batch of Skull CDs, since it appears that they are just throwing in the exisiting disc into the set to begin with. Hopefully the complete jungle chase might be included.
Concert pieces are another possibility- "Parade of the Slave Children" and "Scherzo" probably the ones that have been included on previous John Williams collections.
Frank V
09-29-2008, 05:38 AM
I think (and hope) no extra music for The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is included. The original trilogy is expanded, but a full cd can only include 80 minutes of music. That means still a few minutes is missing for Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Temple of doom is missing about 25-30 minutes and The Last Crusade about 35-40 minutes which means there's no space left if they include all the music and some interviews on the extra disc.
I hope the tracklists will be revealed soon so we know exactly what's on the discs.
Darth Vile
09-29-2008, 07:11 AM
I think (and hope) no extra music for The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is included. The original trilogy is expanded, but a full cd can only include 80 minutes of music. That means still a few minutes is missing for Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Temple of doom is missing about 25-30 minutes and The Last Crusade about 35-40 minutes which means there's no space left if they include all the music and some interviews on the extra disc.
I hope the tracklists will be revealed soon so we know exactly what's on the discs.
By the looks of things (unless they throw us a curveball covered in sh*t), it looks like we'll pretty much get all the major cues that have been missing for all these years... :D
Crack that whip
09-29-2008, 12:48 PM
It should be noted the fifth disc can't hold all the missing material that won't fit on the first four (especially since it'll be partly interviews), but there could be an excellent selection of additonal cues from both Temple and Crusade, and perhaps even from Skull as well. I'd imagine the classic version of "The Raiders March" that opened the previous Raiders albums will be retained on the fifth disc, but I guess we'll find out for sure soon enough...
indyrcks
09-29-2008, 02:15 PM
brilliant I am going to get the complete scores on cd because the music from the Indiana Jones films is brilliant :D
michael
10-02-2008, 10:51 PM
TRACK LISTING!
http://www.amazon.co.jp/Indiana-Jones-Comp...444&sr=8-11
ディスク:1
1. In the Jungle
2. The Idol Temple
3. Escape from the Temple
4. Flight from Peru
5. Washington Men/Indy's Home *
6. A Thought for Marion/To Nepal
7. The Medallion
8. Flight to Cairo
9. The Basket Game
10. Bad Dates *
11. The Map Room: Dawn
12. Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well
13. The Well of the Souls
14. Indy Rides the Statue *
15. The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing
16. Desert Chase
17. Marion1s Theme/The Crate
18. The German Sub
19. Ride to the Nazi Hideout
20. Indy Follows the Ark
21. The Miracle of the Ark
22. Washington Ending & Raiders March * Previously unreleased on CD
ディスク:2
1. Anything Goes
2. Indy Negotiates *
3. The Nightclub Brawl *
4. Fast Streets of Shanghai
5. Map/Out of Fuel *
6. Slalom on Mt. Humol
7. Short Round1s Theme
8. The Scroll/To Pankot Palace *
9. Nocturnal Activities
10. Bug Tunnel/Death Trap
11. Approaching the Stones *
12. Children in Chains
13. The Temple of Doom
14. Short Round Escapes *
15. Saving Willie *
16. Slave Children's Crusade
17. Short Round Helps *
18. The Mine Car Chase
19. Water! *
20. The Sword Trick *
21. The Broken Bridge/British Relief *
22. End Credits* Previously unreleased
ディスク:3
1. Indy1s Very First Adventure **
2. The Boat Scene *
3. X Marks the Spot
4. Ah, Rats!!!
5. Escape from Venice
6. Journey to Austria *
7. Father and Son Reunited *
8. The Austrian Way *
9. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra
10. Alarm! *
11. No Ticket
12. Keeping Up With the Joneses
13. Brother of the Cruciform Sword
14. On the Tank *
15. Belly of the Steel Beast
16. The Canyon of the Crescent Moon
17. The Penitent Man Will Pass
18. The Keeper of the Grail
19. Finale & End Credits*Previously unreleased ** Includes previously unreleased material
ディスク:4
1. Raiders March
2. Call of the Crystal
3. The Adventures of Mutt
4. Irina's Theme
5. The Snake Pit
6. The Spell of the Skull
7. The Journey to Akator
8. A Whirl Through Academe
9. "Return"
10. The Jungle Chase
11. Orellana1s Cradle
12. Grave Robbers
13. Hidden Treasure and the City of Gold
14. Secret Doors and Scorpions
15. Oxley1s Dilemma
16. Ants!
17. Temple Ruins and the Secret Revealed
18. The Departure
19. FinaleDisc Five: INTERVIEWS AND MORE MUSIC FROM INDIANA JONES
Moedred
10-03-2008, 12:18 AM
The first 3 finally look chronological... except maybe "Short Round's Theme" and "Alarm."
Darth Vile
10-03-2008, 04:12 AM
I think that's more than we could have ever hoped for... :up:
Sankara
10-03-2008, 04:41 AM
YES!!! Of course I've got every Indy-Soundtrack ever released already- but I always wantedt the music on the rope bridge! Finally I will get right! GREAT!!!
indyclone25
10-03-2008, 05:34 AM
can't wait to get the complete box se, i ordered it on amazon --- waiting with great anticipation !!! can't you tel i can't wait !! i mean i bought the extended bootlegs for last crusade and temple of doom and they sounded great --- but now i will hear even sharper sounding scores .
indyclone25
10-03-2008, 05:34 AM
sorry the post --- went double
emtiem
10-03-2008, 10:59 AM
Those are pretty decent expansions; looking forward to these. A shame we still don't know what music's on the 5th disc! :)
IndyFan89
10-03-2008, 11:18 AM
Why would they go through all the trouble on releasing the full scores for the original trilogy and just leave KOCS like it is? There is more missing music there then any of the scores.
They cut the music to death on KOCS. The music that shows up in the movie is much better IMHO. :mad:
emtiem
10-03-2008, 11:25 AM
The listing's on US Amazon too:
http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Complete-Soundtracks-Collection/dp/B001G562ZU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1223050593&sr=8-6
Not too worried about the KOTCS disc; it's pretty packed as it is even if there's stuff missing. I would like the full jungle chase, but there you go. Perhaps there's some more on disc 5, you never know.
Frank V
10-03-2008, 12:09 PM
Why would they go through all the trouble on releasing the full scores for the original trilogy and just leave KOCS like it is?
Because the original trilogy are classics and KOCS is not. Besides it usually takes years before a complete soundtrack is released. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy was a happy exception and I don't count Star Wars: The Phantom Menace because they screwed up that release. Expect the full KOTS soundtrack in about 10-15 years if we're lucky.
There is more missing music there then any of the scores.
Temple of Doom is missing the most music of any of the scores, not KOTS.
IndyFan89
10-03-2008, 12:36 PM
Because the original trilogy are classics and KOCS is not.
Not arguing that at all as i was let down by KOCS. Amen brother.
Temple of Doom is missing the most music of any of the scores, not KOTS.
Yea you're right, but the score for KOCS was really the best thing I got out of the whole flick. I just wish it had the expanded Jungle Chase and the music from Area 51 when Indy makes his escape.
I'm still exited though, I've been waiting a long time for this. :up:
Crack that whip
10-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Because the original trilogy are classics and KOCS is not. Besides it usually takes years before a complete soundtrack is released. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy was a happy exception and I don't count Star Wars: The Phantom Menace because they screwed up that release. Expect the full KOTS soundtrack in about 10-15 years if we're lucky.
I think it has more to do with the fact the Crystal Skull soundtrack is just months old, and was already given a full CD; the original albums for the first three movies were determined largely by how much music could be comfortably fit on an LP. With Crystal Skull, they've already taken full advantage (more or less) of what a CD can accommodate, obviously without any need to consider LPs at all. Temple of Doom and Last Crusade still won't be complete, but they'll obviously be a lot closer to it than the original releases were (and presumably the additional cues on the fifth disc will include more music from those two, making them more complete in the box than the standalone releases will be, but then it's also possible the fifth disc will include additional Crystal Skull music as well).
Crack that whip
10-03-2008, 02:09 PM
Tracklist for discs 1-4 (http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-Complete-Soundtracks-Collection/dp/tracks/B001G562ZU/ref=dp_tracks_all_4#disc_4):
Disc: 1
1. In the Jungle
2. The Idol Temple
3. Escape from the Temple
4. Flight from Peru
5. Washington Men/Indy's Home *
6. A Thought for Marion/To Nepal
7. The Medallion
8. Flight to Cairo
9. The Basket Game
10. Bad Dates *
11. The Map Room: Dawn
12. Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well
13. The Well of the Souls
14. Indy Rides the Statue *
15. The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing
16. Desert Chase
17. Marion¹s Theme/The Crate
18. The German Sub
19. Ride to the Nazi Hideout
20. Indy Follows the Ark
21. The Miracle of the Ark
22. Washington Ending & Raiders March
* Previously unreleased on CD
Disc: 2
1. Anything Goes
2. Indy Negotiates *
3. The Nightclub Brawl *
4. Fast Streets of Shanghai
5. Map/Out of Fuel *
6. Slalom on Mt. Humol
7. Short Round¹s Theme
8. The Scroll/To Pankot Palace *
9. Nocturnal Activities
10. Bug Tunnel/Death Trap
11. Approaching the Stones *
12. Children in Chains
13. The Temple of Doom
14. Short Round Escapes *
15. Saving Willie *
16. Slave Children's Crusade
17. Short Round Helps *
18. The Mine Car Chase
19. Water! *
20. The Sword Trick *
21. The Broken Bridge/British Relief *
22. End Credits
* Previously unreleased
Disc: 3
1. Indy's Very First Adventure **
2. The Boat Scene *
3. X Marks the Spot
4. Ah, Rats!!!
5. Escape from Venice
6. Journey to Austria *
7. Father and Son Reunited *
8. The Austrian Way *
9. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra
10. Alarm! *
11. No Ticket
12. Keeping Up With the Joneses
13. Brother of the Cruciform Sword
14. On the Tank *
15. Belly of the Steel Beast
16. The Canyon of the Crescent Moon
17. The Penitent Man Will Pass
18. The Keeper of the Grail
19. Finale & End Credits
*Previously unreleased ** Includes previously unreleased material
Disc: 4
1. Raiders March
2. Call of the Crystal
3. The Adventures of Mutt
4. Irina's Theme
5. The Snake Pit
6. The Spell of the Skull
7. The Journey to Akator
8. A Whirl Through Academe
9. "Return"
10. The Jungle Chase
11. Orellana's Cradle
12. Grave Robbers
13. Hidden Treasure and the City of Gold
14. Secret Doors and Scorpions
15. Oxley's Dilemma
16. Ants!
17. Temple Ruins and the Secret Revealed
18. The Departure
19. Finale
Disc Five: INTERVIEWS AND MORE MUSIC FROM INDIANA JONES
So preordered!
:D :up: :whip:
IndyJess
10-03-2008, 09:31 PM
This is great! I always thought Temple of Doom had the best score. Now we get most of the music and it’s in chronological order.
Darth Vile
10-04-2008, 04:20 AM
Because the original trilogy are classics and KOCS is not. Besides it usually takes years before a complete soundtrack is released. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy was a happy exception and I don't count Star Wars: The Phantom Menace because they screwed up that release. Expect the full KOTS soundtrack in about 10-15 years if we're lucky.
Temple of Doom is missing the most music of any of the scores, not KOTS.
Nice musical critique there... And what would you base that opinion on? :rolleyes:
indyclone25
10-04-2008, 05:31 AM
well time to buy a third mp3 player to put the music on
Frank V
10-04-2008, 10:06 AM
Nice musical critique there... And what would you base that opinion on? :rolleyes:
Jaws took 25 years to get a complete soundtrack, E.T. 14 years, Close Encounters 21 years, Star Wars 20 years, Total Recall 10 years, Home Alone 2 10 years, Ghostbusters 22 years, Alien 28 years, etc. It's not common that a complete soundtrack is released in the first 10-15 years after a movie came out. They almost always only release a selection of the music.
Darth Vile
10-04-2008, 11:01 AM
Jaws took 25 years to get a complete soundtrack, E.T. 14 years, Close Encounters 21 years, Star Wars 20 years, Total Recall 10 years, Home Alone 2 10 years, Ghostbusters 22 years, Alien 28 years, etc. It's not common that a complete soundtrack is released in the first 10-15 years after a movie came out. They almost always only release a selection of the music.
Apologies... I thought you were suggesting it could never be regarded as a classic OST.
IndyFan89
10-04-2008, 11:13 AM
Jaws took 25 years to get a complete soundtrack, E.T. 14 years, Close Encounters 21 years, Star Wars 20 years, Total Recall 10 years, Home Alone 2 10 years, Ghostbusters 22 years, Alien 28 years, etc. It's not common that a complete soundtrack is released in the first 10-15 years after a movie came out. They almost always only release a selection of the music.
I think Ghostbusters is still a bootleg.
Problem is, right now everything is recovering from a case of Indy fever... Sorry to say in 10 to 15 years there might not be no demand.
Strike well the iron's hot, if you're releasing them, might as well do it all at ounce and well we just had the release of film.
vf wing
10-04-2008, 11:45 AM
Big ups for the tracklist! Since the collection spans all four films, i'm hoping the bonus disc includes additional music from all four films.
I don't count Star Wars: The Phantom Menace because they screwed up that release.
How exactly was it screwed up? Just out of curiousity.
Frank V
10-04-2008, 04:40 PM
I think Ghostbusters is still a bootleg.
No it's not. Varèse Sarabande released the complete score by Elmer Bernstein in 2006 as a limited edition release. Only 3000 copies were available.
See:
www.varesesarabande.com (http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=VCL%2D0306%2D1046)
Frank V
10-04-2008, 04:42 PM
How exactly was it screwed up? Just out of curiousity.
They released the music as heard in the movie with bad editing and loops, not as written by John Williams.
IndyFan89
10-04-2008, 08:32 PM
They released the music as heard in the movie with bad editing and loops, not as written by John Williams.
Thank you, i couldn't put my finger on it.
Crack that whip
10-05-2008, 12:26 PM
Big ups for the tracklist! Since the collection spans all four films, i'm hoping the bonus disc includes additional music from all four films.
I'm hoping that as well.
Actually, what I'd really like would be some huge set with all the music from all four movies and The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles / The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones, but I know better than to hold my breath on that one.
(Incidentally, I noted not long ago (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=16883) that Lucasfilm gave away some Young Indy soundtrack CDs to ten randomly selected Hyperspace members just two years ago, but it went without additional comment. I assume these have to have been leftover copies of some / all of the four volumes released by Varèse Sarabande back in the day, but just in case I missed out on something wonderful, does anyone know for sure?)
Crack that whip
10-05-2008, 12:55 PM
Now available for preorder from Lucasfilm's online Indy shop (http://shop.indianajones.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=1306790) as well! No new information in their listing, but it's nice to see it there.
IndyFan89
10-05-2008, 11:30 PM
I'm very curious to see whats on the fifth disc.
davros72
10-06-2008, 10:44 AM
I'm very curious to see whats on the fifth disc.
Found this on JWFan.com forums... (second hand information...)
Just found this track list for the 5th disc on Tower Records website.
I don't know how accurate it is;
1 Raiders March (from Raiders of the Lost Ark)
2 Interviews with John Williams,Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, Hosted by Laurent Bouzereau - (featuring Steven Spielberg/George Lucas/John Williams)
3 Uncovering the Ark (from Raiders of the Lost Ark)
4 Indy and the Villagers (from Temple of Doom)
5 Secret Passage, The (from Temple of Doom)
6 Father's Study (from Last Crusade)
7 Marcus Is Captured/To Berlin (from Last Crusade)
8 To the Blimp (from Last Crusade) *
9 Blimp Turns Around, The (from Last Crusade)
10 Death of Kazim (from Last Crusade)
11 Wrong Choice, Right Choice (from Last Crusade)
12 Return to the Village/Raiders March (From Temple Of Doom)
Crack that whip
10-06-2008, 02:22 PM
I was just coming here to post that myself! Here's a link directly to Tower Records' listing (http://www.tower.com/indiana-jones-complete-soundtracks-collection-original-cd/wapi/112490511), to eliminate some of that second-handedness.
:)
IndyFan89
10-06-2008, 02:31 PM
No extra KOCS tracks. :(
davros72
10-06-2008, 03:27 PM
I was just coming here to post that myself! Here's a link directly to Tower Records' listing (http://www.tower.com/indiana-jones-complete-soundtracks-collection-original-cd/wapi/112490511), to eliminate some of that second-handedness.
:)
Thanks! Was too lazy to go digging for it myself. :)
Alas, no additional KOTCS tracks, but I kinda figured there wouldn't be any. (Although, with KOTCS being the only Concord "original" you'd think they'd have access to further tracks, but oh well...)
ReggieSnake
10-06-2008, 03:57 PM
Very excited about this release. When I first read it on line I told all my college buddies and, sadly, they weren't able to relate to my excitement.;)
I'm looking forward especially to the new TOD music.
IndyFan89
10-06-2008, 05:38 PM
But maybe some of the existing KOCS tracks have extra content on them.
Darth Vile
10-06-2008, 06:18 PM
But maybe some of the existing KOCS tracks have extra content on them.
Afraid not...
Agent Z
10-06-2008, 06:29 PM
But maybe some of the existing KOCS tracks have extra content on them.
Afraid not...
Concerning the missing music from Kingdom...
Would it be at all possible to separate the musical score from the dialogue and sound effects on the DVD/Blu-ray?
I recall one time messing with my receiver on a 5.1 and I was able to only get the musical score. Might have just been that one film, of course.
:confused:
michael
10-06-2008, 07:35 PM
Some truly great news, I can't wait.
I'm hoping "Indy and the Villagers" includes Fortune and Glory--but that could be wishful thinking.
And I'm also guessing that "the Sword Trick" has the on the bridge music, I wonder this because why not name it "the Sword Trick/On the Bridge"?, the Bridge Scene is kind of a big deal.
Frank V
10-07-2008, 02:39 PM
But maybe some of the existing KOCS tracks have extra content on them.
You mean 30 seconds or so? The album is 77 minutes long! Be glad so much music is released.
IndyFan89
10-07-2008, 05:17 PM
Concerning the missing music from Kingdom...
Would it be at all possible to separate the musical score from the dialogue and sound effects on the DVD/Blu-ray?
I recall one time messing with my receiver on a 5.1 and I was able to only get the musical score. Might have just been that one film, of course.
:confused:
I've heard of that before. Anyone know if it's possible?
Major West
10-07-2008, 07:29 PM
Yes it is possible, with something like DVD audio extractor.
Agent Z
10-08-2008, 12:41 AM
Yes it is possible, with something like DVD audio extractor.
I hope so. I'll find out soon enough.
It seems too easy though. I mean, why bother offering isolated musical score tracks on certain dvds if it's pretty much already there?
I'm just thinking there's a catch. I so hope you're right. :)
emtiem
10-08-2008, 04:27 AM
Concerning the missing music from Kingdom...
Would it be at all possible to separate the musical score from the dialogue and sound effects on the DVD/Blu-ray?
I recall one time messing with my receiver on a 5.1 and I was able to only get the musical score. Might have just been that one film, of course.
:confused:
That's where the Temple of Doom soundtrack bootlegs came from: the drawback is that you do get some sound effects and the quality isn't quite up to soundtrack quality.
Frank V
10-09-2008, 01:18 PM
Raiders of the Lost Ark was supposed to be released seperately next week, but this release has been canceled. The boxset is still coming however, so don't panic.
IndyFan89
10-09-2008, 02:22 PM
I know that's how the GB bootleg soundtrack was made. But they couldn't get GB2 because of the tracks.
TOD's bootleg was afull yea but this movie is brand new so maybe it will work better.
we'll find out soon enoughm
Ajax the Great
10-09-2008, 04:40 PM
Raiders of the Lost Ark was supposed to be released seperately next week, but this release has been canceled. The boxset is still coming however, so don't panic.
Oh, poo - Raiders is the only soundtrack I'm missing, and I don't feel like shelling out extra money to get duplicates - at least not now. Does anybody know why this was canceled?
Crack that whip
10-09-2008, 06:38 PM
I'd imagine it's to not compete with the box (and hence might be released individually at some later date; it always did seem odd to have it scheduled on its own, ahead of the box and the announced releases of the other two...).
Or alternately, perhaps so many people who'd normally be interested in it have opted for the box instead that the preorders for the individual Raiders soundtrack were vastly lower than anticipated, and they decided to can it because of that.
I don't know, obviously, but I'm going for the box myself anyway, equally obviously. :) I'm frankly surprised anyone at this board would be content with the existing releases for Temple and Crusade when this thing is available, but unless you actually specifically want versions of the soundtracks that have less music (which some soundtrack fans do prefer, wanting arguably more cohesive standalone listening experiences than exhaustive archives of simply as much music as possible), you might consider getting the box anyway, and just selling your old discs (or, heck, maybe the new ones that come in the box, if you're willing to break up the set - though of course many other fans would probably want to lynch you for it...).
indyclone25
10-10-2008, 06:22 AM
to bad the single indiana jones and the raiders of the lost ark soundtrack isn't coming out -- would have like to have the new tracks to listen to , oh well , gotta wait afew more weeks more
Kevin
10-11-2008, 02:56 PM
I can't wait to get that boxed set!
robisindy
10-12-2008, 01:04 PM
While my wife wasn't thrilled to hear me say that I've got to get this set, I know I'll be there as soon as it's released. This is going to be so incredibly good.
I hope that Amazon will soon have track previews of some of the new material. It'll just whet the appetite that much more.
indyclonejr
10-12-2008, 03:53 PM
my mom doesnt even know my dad has ordered yet from amazon
indyclone25
10-13-2008, 06:39 AM
and keep it that way junior!!
Darth Vile
10-13-2008, 08:09 AM
and keep it that way junior!!
You are not related are you? ;)
indyclonejr
10-13-2008, 09:07 AM
yep thats my dad
Darth Vile
10-13-2008, 05:28 PM
yep thats my dad
Really? Excellent... A common interest. I'm going to have to wait a good few years before I can converse to my boy about Indy and Star Wars (still at the gurgling stage). ;)
IndyFan89
10-15-2008, 01:30 AM
Anyone try to extract the missing score tracks from the KOCS DVD?
Agent Z
10-15-2008, 02:36 AM
Anyone try to extract the missing score tracks from the KOCS DVD?
Not yet, but great news...
On the 2nd disc are three featurettes dealing with Pre-Visualization Sequences, computer-animated sequences with only the musical score as the background.
While 2 of the three, "Jungle Chase" and "Ant Attack" are already available, for the most part, there is also "Area 51 Escape", which has all the musical score from the point that Indy punches the soldier and whips the rifle to Mac....to the rocket sled taking flight.
The only time the musical score is interrupted is when the rocket sled fires away. Pretty cool to hear the score separate and it's already there for the taking. :)
I haven't had a chance to mess around with isolating the entire musical score yet though....
Darth Vile
10-15-2008, 05:25 AM
Anyone try to extract the missing score tracks from the KOCS DVD?
Yep I've done it... :)
Darth Vile
10-15-2008, 05:27 AM
Not yet, but great news...
On the 2nd disc are three featurettes dealing with Pre-Visualization Sequences, computer-animated sequences with only the musical score as the background.
While 2 of the three, "Jungle Chase" and "Ant Attack" are already available, for the most part, there is also "Area 51 Escape", which has all the musical score from the point that Indy punches the soldier and whips the rifle to Mac....to the rocket sled taking flight.
The only time the musical score is interrupted is when the rocket sled fires away. Pretty cool to hear the score separate and it's already there for the taking. :)
I haven't had a chance to mess around with isolating the entire musical score yet though....
I have edited the last crash/stab from "The Adventures of Mutt" to the end of "Warehouse Escape" i.e. before the sound effects. Sounds pretty convincing/seamless. :D
emtiem
10-15-2008, 07:34 AM
Ooh sounds good. Would there be anywhere one could have a listen to these... ? ;)
robisindy
10-15-2008, 08:05 AM
I have edited the last crash/stab from "The Adventures of Mutt" to the end of "Warehouse Escape" i.e. before the sound effects. Sounds pretty convincing/seamless. :D
Oh man, Darth. Do you have any plans of uploading what you've got so we can take a listen? I haven't got to play around with the DVD yet, so I'd love to hear what you've been able to do.
Darth Vile
10-15-2008, 10:25 AM
emtiem/robisindy,
If you send me a personal email account address via private message, I will try sending you the MPEG's.
IndyFan89
10-15-2008, 10:30 AM
Yep I've done it... :)
Sharing is caring. :rolleyes:
emtiem
10-19-2008, 02:07 PM
I have edited the last crash/stab from "The Adventures of Mutt" to the end of "Warehouse Escape" i.e. before the sound effects. Sounds pretty convincing/seamless. :D
Just wanted to say that this is great- excellent job.
Of course if anyone's had any more luck with getting any more Skull music from the DVD... ;)
mattzilla2010
10-20-2008, 12:07 AM
This is kinda-sorta off topic, but it does have to do with Indy music...
Does anyone know where I can get a version of "Der Koniggratzer" that sounds closest to how it sounds in Last Crusade? All the ones on itunes sound like they're played a lot slower than in the film.
IndyFan89
10-20-2008, 08:38 PM
I wish someone would upload the music if they got it. :p
Kooshmeister
10-20-2008, 09:18 PM
This is kinda-sorta off topic, but it does have to do with Indy music...
Does anyone know where I can get a version of "Der Koniggratzer" that sounds closest to how it sounds in Last Crusade? All the ones on itunes sound like they're played a lot slower than in the film.
This one sounds pretty good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ytKOvYYnHo&feature=related
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mattzilla2010
10-20-2008, 09:40 PM
Wow, that's perfect! Thanks!
And also - awesome job on the Warehouse Escape, Darth Vile!
I tip my hat to both of you :hat:
Kooshmeister
10-20-2008, 09:58 PM
You're welcome. :D
TheLastCrusader
10-23-2008, 02:07 PM
I uploaded the full score (which accompanies the pre-viz) of the Area 51 Escape sequence, the other two (Jungle Chase & Ants Attack) are coming up.
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Attila the Professor
10-23-2008, 02:16 PM
Hmm...in the section from about 1:30 to 1:40, it sounds rather reminiscent to the Mine Car Chase...thoughts?
Edit: And now I realize how the first fifteen seconds are cribbed from "Ah, Rats!" Surprising, actually, that the Mac betrayal doesn't include the "but, you should have listened to your father" cue.
(I'm not necessarily against this sort of minor recycling of cues; despite my qualms, it's mostly fun to play spot-the-recycled-theme.)
TheLastCrusader
10-23-2008, 03:14 PM
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TheLastCrusader
10-23-2008, 03:33 PM
Hmm...in the section from about 1:30 to 1:40, it sounds rather reminiscent to the Mine Car Chase...thoughts?
Edit: And now I realize how the first fifteen seconds are cribbed from "Ah, Rats!" Surprising, actually, that the Mac betrayal doesn't include the "but, you should have listened to your father" cue.
(I'm not necessarily against this sort of minor recycling of cues; despite my qualms, it's mostly fun to play spot-the-recycled-theme.)
I noticed it too, but what stands out the most to me is the usage of the raiders march. It's the first time the Raiders march is used (to its full extend) in this film and it's practically the same as in Raiders, when we also hear it for the first time (when indy swings on a vine).
emtiem
10-23-2008, 03:39 PM
I uploaded the full score (which accompanies the pre-viz) of the Area 51 Escape sequence, the other two (Jungle Chase & Ants Attack) are coming up.
Gosh- I haven't seen the DVD yet, but it's really amazing the amount of work they put into this stuff, isn't it?
Kooshmeister
10-23-2008, 03:59 PM
Anyone else think the pre-viz Dovchenko (or "Duvchenko" as he's called there) looks like Steven Berkoff as General Orlov in Octo*****?
EDIT: What? Censoring the title of a James Bond movie...?
http://moa.dracandros.com/w/images/4/4d/Orlov.jpg
Benraianajones
10-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Talking of soundtracks, I only noticed the "Illumination/Keeper of the Grail" theme featured when Mutt asks when the saucer has left "Where was the city of gold?" as Indy explains. I know the theme featured earlier, but forgot it did near the end, I quite enjoyed hearing it on the big screen after all the years it has been since it was last heard on the big screen in Crusade.
It seems strange seeing Marion to the theme. Also odd knowing the theme plays in Indy's house whilst theres a photo of Willie present, since they aren't associated with The Last Crusade.
TheLastCrusader
10-23-2008, 05:07 PM
Can't upload "Ants Attack", because it says "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by a third party. "
Well, sorry
Benraianajones
10-23-2008, 05:15 PM
I'm sure that was on youtube already, has it gone now? I guess most KOTCS media has been. I know the movie was on there in high quality once.
sandiegojones
10-23-2008, 05:22 PM
The thing that upsets me about this new CD collection is that the KOTCS CD is exactly the same as the prior release and the bonus disc has no new tracks from KOTCS.
I already have the soundtrack so getting it twice sucks. There are a lot of music cues I wish would be released from Indy 4. The music from the warehouse (beginning with the gundown of the guards, Indy's intro and conversation outside and the gunplay inside) and the rocket sled fight, plus more than half of the music during the jungle chase.
The only one I really want is TOD because it had the least amount of music on the prior CD and this new one has the nightclub fight music and the music in the temple when Indy get the Sankara stones.
IndyFan89
10-23-2008, 05:28 PM
I really wish they had the music from the first appearance of Indy in KOCS and DOOM TOWN.
sandiegojones
10-23-2008, 06:31 PM
I don't think there's any Doomtown music except for a 10 second cue of music when Indy looks up at the mushroom cloud.
Benraianajones
10-23-2008, 07:03 PM
Talking of soundtracks I'd like to say, I like Sophia's theme in Fate of Atlantis, the music on "Indy/Sophia's Kiss" would have been great as a fully orchestrated section if they had made a movie. :)
torao
10-23-2008, 07:06 PM
Can't upload "Ants Attack", because it says "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by a third party. "
Well, sorry
Thanks anyway. Nice hair, by the way. :)
TheLastCrusader
10-23-2008, 08:05 PM
Thanks anyway. Nice hair, by the way. :)Lol :) you saw my vids? The one with the funny faces is a friend of mine, whom I was filming. But I am that guy who plays that piano improv. Well anyway thanks for watching them, and thoughts are probably best left unsaid ;)
IndyFan89
10-24-2008, 12:51 AM
I don't think there's any Doomtown music except for a 10 second cue of music when Indy looks up at the mushroom cloud.
If they could make tracks for everything from the Russians first shooting the guards until where "The Spell of the Skull picks Up" then the Area 51 escape, then after the rocket sled when Indy falls off of the sled and hides from the Russians(That music keeps playing over and over in my head).
I thought that was some of the best music in the film.
Darth Vile
10-24-2008, 04:35 AM
The thing that upsets me about this new CD collection is that the KOTCS CD is exactly the same as the prior release and the bonus disc has no new tracks from KOTCS.
I already have the soundtrack so getting it twice sucks. There are a lot of music cues I wish would be released from Indy 4. The music from the warehouse (beginning with the gundown of the guards, Indy's intro and conversation outside and the gunplay inside) and the rocket sled fight, plus more than half of the music during the jungle chase.
The only one I really want is TOD because it had the least amount of music on the prior CD and this new one has the nightclub fight music and the music in the temple when Indy get the Sankara stones.
To be fair, the KOTCS OST was a 19 track album - So most of what was recorded (of any real quality) made it onto the original release. On the other hand, the OST's for ROTLA, TOD and TLC were a lot more light in covering off great sections of the score. So I'm grateful that they are now getting the release they deserve.
With what is now available from the KOTCS DVD, the only real thing that's missing, soundtrack wise, is the Russian intro piece (which is good granted). But I can live without that. ;)
davros72
10-24-2008, 10:36 AM
I don't think there's any Doomtown music except for a 10 second cue of music when Indy looks up at the mushroom cloud.
5. Doom Town 1:02 Unreleased
6. Mushroom Cloud 0:25 Unreleased
...from JWFan.com complete score analysis by John Takis, found here (http://jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1006).
sandiegojones
10-24-2008, 11:11 AM
To be fair, the KOTCS OST was a 19 track album - So most of what was recorded (of any real quality) made it onto the original release. On the other hand, the OST's for ROTLA, TOD and TLC were a lot more light in covering off great sections of the score. So I'm grateful that they are now getting the release they deserve.
With what is now available from the KOTCS DVD, the only real thing that's missing, soundtrack wise, is the Russian intro piece (which is good granted). But I can live without that. ;)
The number of tracks in irrelevant. All CD's have 72 minutes. It's what they choose to give you that matters. Track 1 is a waste since I already have the Raiders March on 3 other soundtracks. Tracks 9, 11 and 15 are very repetative too (they all have the skull theme which is presented as a standalone track) and half of the music on track 12 isn't even used in the film (since the cemetery scene was trimmed). The warehouse scenes (guards, rocket sled fight, doom town, etc.) and more jungle chase music would have been welcome!
The biggest problem with the TOD CD previously released is that it's barely got 45 minues of music so it's the one most deserving of a new release. The Raiders soundtrack had 90% of everything already as did TLC. They were only missing some of the mood music, which is what the KOTCS CD mostly is.
sandiegojones
10-24-2008, 11:14 AM
6. Mushroom Cloud 0:25 Unreleased
...from JWFan.com complete score analysis by John Takis, found here (http://jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1006).
He was referring to the mushroom cloud music in his comment. So I was 15 seconds off. It's still very brief, but could be thrown onto another track at least. I hate being double dipped when you don't get new stuff.
IndyFan89
10-24-2008, 11:46 AM
1. Opening Logo 0:15 Unreleased
2. Nevada, 1957 4:06 Unreleased
3. The Spell Of The Skull 4:24 Track 6
4. Warehouse Escape 6:07 Unreleased
5. Doom Town 1:02 Unreleased
6. Mushroom Cloud 0:25 Unreleased
7. Spalko’s Dossier 1:19 Unreleased
8. Resignation 0:31 Unreleased
9. Photo Of Dad 1:37 Unreleased
10. The Legend Of Akator 0:55 Unreleased
11. KGB Agents 0:41 Unreleased
12. A Whirl Through Academe 3:33 Track 8
13. The Journey To Peru 3:07 Track 7
14. Oxley’s Dilemma 2:15 Track 15, 0:00-2:15
15. The Chauchilla Graveyard 1:16 Unreleased
16. Grave Robbers 0:56 Track 12, 0:00-0:56
17. Secret Doors And Scorpions 2:17 Track 14
18. Into The Crypt 3:55 Unreleased
19. Orellana's Cradle 4:22 Track 11
20. Saucer Men 1:23 Unreleased
21. “Return” 3:12 Track 9
22. Automatic Writing 2:30 Unreleased
23. The Snake Pit 3:15 Track 5
24. “They Weren’t You” 1:00 Unreleased
25. Jungle Chase, Pt. 1 3:17 Unreleased
26. Jungle Chase, Pt. 2 5:24 Track 10 / Unreleased
27. Ants! 4:14 Track 16
28. Over The Cliff 0:37 Unreleased
29. Three Drops Down 0:19 Unreleased
30. The Temple Ruins 3:10 Unreleased / Track 15, 2:15-4:46
31. Ugha Warriors 1:33 Track 12, 0:56-2:29
32. The City Of Gold 2:43 Unreleased / Track 13, 2:40-5:14
33. The Vanishing Stair 0:38 Unreleased
34. Hidden Treasure 1:23 Unreleased
35. The Throne Chamber 2:20 Track 17, 0:00-2:17
36. Spalko’s Gift 2:40 Track 13, 0:00-2:40
37. The Secret Revealed 3:34 Track 17, 2:17-5:51
38. The Departure 2:27 Track 18
39. “Knowledge Was Their Treasure” 1:54 Unreleased
40. Finale 9:20 Track 19
Thats the CD I want to see in the new collection.
sandiegojones
10-24-2008, 11:49 AM
I wouldn't doubt that they'll put out a 2 disc version in the future. They did it with SW.
Darth Vile
10-24-2008, 12:36 PM
The number of tracks in irrelevant. All CD's have 72 minutes. It's what they choose to give you that matters. Track 1 is a waste since I already have the Raiders March on 3 other soundtracks. Tracks 9, 11 and 15 are very repetative too (they all have the skull theme which is presented as a standalone track) and half of the music on track 12 isn't even used in the film (since the cemetery scene was trimmed). The warehouse scenes (guards, rocket sled fight, doom town, etc.) and more jungle chase music would have been welcome!
The biggest problem with the TOD CD previously released is that it's barely got 45 minues of music so it's the one most deserving of a new release. The Raiders soundtrack had 90% of everything already as did TLC. They were only missing some of the mood music, which is what the KOTCS CD mostly is.
Hmmm - Not sure. We all now have access to the extended 'Jungle Chase' and 'Warehouse Escape' music. As much as it's good to hear, those additional KOTCS tracks add very little. Personally speaking, I'd much rather have the tracks that are on the existing KOTCS OST. If anything, as mentioned previously, I would have omitted more tracks and made the KOTCS OST more concise e.g. 12 tracks as opposed to 19.
Also, I'd say that 'Map/Out of Fuel', 'Approaching the Stones' 'The Boat Scene', 'On The Tank' etc. are more important unreleased tracks than those on KOTCS. So my point being, that I think they've applied their focus in the correct place i.e. TLC and TOD. That's what I'm basically buying the set for.
sandiegojones
10-24-2008, 01:07 PM
Hmmm - Not sure. We all now have access to the extended 'Jungle Chase' and 'Warehouse Escape' music. As much as it's good to hear, those additional KOTCS tracks add very little. Personally speaking, I'd much rather have the tracks that are on the existing KOTCS OST. If anything, as mentioned previously, I would have omitted more tracks and made the KOTCS OST more concise e.g. 12 tracks as opposed to 19.
Also, I'd say that 'Map/Out of Fuel', 'Approaching the Stones' 'The Boat Scene', 'On The Tank' etc. are more important unreleased tracks than those on KOTCS. So my point being, that I think they've applied their focus in the correct place i.e. TLC and TOD. That's what I'm basically buying the set for.
I agree with you on the prior films (the TOD stuff alone makes it worth getting for me), but I think you're missing my point with the set itself and KOTCS.
The new set is 5 discs. The 5th disc has even more unreleased music for the others, yet still has no extra KOTCS music. My complaint is not with the KOTCS music, but rather that this new set requires me to buy the same CD again to get the other music, yet even with an "extra" disc they give us nothing.
I disagree with you about the other music from KOTCS not being significant. From the Hangar 51 gate to the intro of Spalko and the warehouse shootout, the rocketsled fight and onto doomtown there is about 13 minutes of music. Also, we don't get Mutt's intro when Indy is on the train (about 2 minutes) and later the music from the chase begining with Indy and Mutt kicking Dovchenko and Indy's "They weren't you honey!" leading up to Indy jumping on Mac's jeep (about 5 minutes). That's about 20 minutes of varied themes and action. The soundtrack released gives us the Raiders March (again) and concert versions of Mutts theme, the skull theme, Spalko's theme all of which are in the end credits too. There's too much of the same and I think the new release should give people who bought KOTCS already at least something unreleased.
Crack that whip
10-24-2008, 05:24 PM
I wouldn't doubt that they'll put out a 2 disc version in the future. They did it with SW.
Indyd, though a) it took 20 years before we got a complete release of the original movie (for that matter, we're still missing some source cues from Star Wars - Episode VI: Return of the Jedi), and b) all the Star Wars scores were recorded by the London Symphony Orchestra, and therefore aren't subject to the re-use fees associated with American recordings, which can make it prohibitively expensive to release an orchestral film score because of the licensing costs (and do note that despite both being as massively popular as can be imagined and being recorded overseas, there still aren't full releases of all the Star Wars scores. This is going to take a while...).
Raiders of the Lost Ark was, like the SW series, performed by the LSO, but the other three Indy movie scores were all done by orchestras made up of AFM members, and have certain licensing costs associated that drive up the production costs of expanded editions of the albums.
That said, I'm with all those who'd like an expanded release of the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull soundtrack; I want all the remaining music from the second and third movies and all of the TV series, for that matter.
What I'm currently crossing my fingers for is an Academy promo come Oscar time. In years past, studios have sometimes sent out special CDs of film scores to voting members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, typically marking the CDs with "For Your Consideration" or some such thing, to campaign for potential Best Original Score winners. Sometimes these are just free copies of the commercial releases, but sometimes they've been expanded editions featuring some or even all of the music from a movie that might not have even had a commercial soundtrack release at all, or perhaps only an abbreviated one. Some of John Williams' own scores have been made legitimately available in complete form this way (A.I.: Artificial Intelligence, for one). Of course, these only filter their way into the marketplace when the people who receive them decide to dump them on eBay or in used record shops in LA, so they're not exactly common or cheap :eek: , but they do happen... sometimes.
Hey, it's a long shot, but I'll take what I can get... :p
Indy1970
10-24-2008, 07:12 PM
Greetings,
This link has updated information on the soundtrack collection including a picture of the jewel cases, etc..
Enjoy!
Regards
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/10/24/indiana_jones_the_soundtracks_collection_11
indyclone25
10-25-2008, 03:28 AM
awesome news -- i downloaded the end credits and the raiders march and keeping up wihe the joneses-------will listen to them later to hear the differrence
indyclone25
10-25-2008, 05:51 AM
awesome news -- i downloaded the end credits and the raiders march and keeping up wihe the joneses-------will listen to them later to hear the differrence
well i heard the 'keeping up with joneses' and is the same to me it even has the same running time as the old soundtrack
Darth Vile
10-25-2008, 10:57 AM
well i heard the 'keeping up with joneses' and is the same to me it even has the same running time as the old soundtrack
Is it supposed to be different? I didn't think it was???
indyclone25
10-25-2008, 11:44 AM
well i thought since that they highlighted those two tracks they would be extended abit --- but i was wrong .:eek:
sandiegojones
10-25-2008, 11:45 AM
Is it supposed to be different? I didn't think it was???
It's not. The previously released tracks are the same. They've only added music that was released before due to the space available.
Keep in mind that the original soundtrack releases (for ROTLA and TOD at least) were on vinyl records (I bet plenty of kids here are like: "what's a record?"). That's why the TOD music is so brief. They took that release and put it on CD but never added anything. The new Raiders CD adds little to the special edition CD that was released about 12 years ago.
IndyFan93
10-26-2008, 04:31 PM
Well, after reading and being up to date on this for the past couple months, I get more and more excited. I've been an Indy fan, like most people here, since I was a little kid. I never got to see the Original Three in theaters, but watched them on video relentlessly. I never owned them, though...even after the original DVD set came out and asked for it every year from my parents for Christmas. So...after a while of not getting them...I forgot to ever borrow and rent them again. Then, when "Kingdom" was in the works, I was ecstatic, and it dawned on me that I haven't watched them in about 4 years. So, when "Kingdom was about to be released", I couldn't help falling in love with the series that I had always been obsessed with. So, I borrowed the trilogy, watched "Kingdom" and loved it. Then it came to be music time. With my new iPod, what better than to illegally download all of the awesome Indiana Jones music. I downloaded the new "Kingdom" soundtrack and then 1995 "Raiders" soundtrack, and the 1984 and 1989 "Temple" and "Crusade" soundtracks (respectively). But, doing research, I sadly found out, none of the soundtracks were complete--not even the extended "Raiders" soundtrack. But after finding out about this a couple of months ago, I CAN'T WAIT! I finally have the Original Three, and the awesome 4th Adventure (which I obsessively saw 5 times in theaters, once on the computer as the DVDrip, and finally a couple times on DVD). I AM ECSTATIC to finally get to listen to the extended soundtracks. And this time, they're [pretty much] complete! This is just to good!
But sadly, the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull soundtrack will not be extended. Which I'm very mad about. You think they'da had time to put out a complete version of the "Kingdom" soundtrack. My biggest concerns for this track were the Warehouse Escape, The Mushroom Cloud, Spalko's Dossier, the FULL 8:35 Jungle Chase, The Receding Staircase, and back "Knowledge Was Their Treasure"/Back Home. I'm hoping to find the full Jungle Chase somewhere, though (as well as the Warehouse Escape, and the others, but the full Jungle Chase is my main concern). That's the only thing negative about this set.
But I must say thank you for keeping us all up to date! I love the Indiana Jones music, and I plan on buying the set!
See ya around the forums!
Darth Vile
10-27-2008, 03:52 AM
Well, after reading and being up to date on this for the past couple months, I get more and more excited. I've been an Indy fan, like most people here, since I was a little kid. I never got to see the Original Three in theaters, but watched them on video relentlessly. I never owned them, though...even after the original DVD set came out and asked for it every year from my parents for Christmas. So...after a while of not getting them...I forgot to ever borrow and rent them again. Then, when "Kingdom" was in the works, I was ecstatic, and it dawned on me that I haven't watched them in about 4 years. So, when "Kingdom was about to be released", I couldn't help falling in love with the series that I had always been obsessed with. So, I borrowed the trilogy, watched "Kingdom" and loved it. Then it came to be music time. With my new iPod, what better than to illegally download all of the awesome Indiana Jones music. I downloaded the new "Kingdom" soundtrack and then 1995 "Raiders" soundtrack, and the 1984 and 1989 "Temple" and "Crusade" soundtracks (respectively). But, doing research, I sadly found out, none of the soundtracks were complete--not even the extended "Raiders" soundtrack. But after finding out about this a couple of months ago, I CAN'T WAIT! I finally have the Original Three, and the awesome 4th Adventure (which I obsessively saw 5 times in theaters, once on the computer as the DVDrip, and finally a couple times on DVD). I AM ECSTATIC to finally get to listen to the extended soundtracks. And this time, they're [pretty much] complete! This is just to good!
But sadly, the Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull soundtrack will not be extended. Which I'm very mad about. You think they'da had time to put out a complete version of the "Kingdom" soundtrack. My biggest concerns for this track were the Warehouse Escape, The Mushroom Cloud, Spalko's Dossier, the FULL 8:35 Jungle Chase, The Receding Staircase, and back "Knowledge Was Their Treasure"/Back Home. I'm hoping to find the full Jungle Chase somewhere, though (as well as the Warehouse Escape, and the others, but the full Jungle Chase is my main concern). That's the only thing negative about this set.
But I must say thank you for keeping us all up to date! I love the Indiana Jones music, and I plan on buying the set!
See ya around the forums!
'The Warehouse Escape' and 'The Jungle Chase - Extended' are now readily available from multiple sources (in digital quality)... I agree in that it would be great to get everthing from KOTCS on a bonafide release... but it's really not required when you weigh up everything that's available versus everything that's not. Up until the release of this new set, we've never had quality versions of, for example, 'Approaching the Stones' and 'On the Tank'. In this instance, I'm glad they have put their efforts in giving us full versions of TOD and TLC over KOTCS. ;)
emtiem
10-27-2008, 05:22 AM
Where is 'Jungle Chase- Extended' available from?
IndyFan93
10-27-2008, 05:52 AM
'The Warehouse Escape' and 'The Jungle Chase - Extended' are now readily available from multiple sources (in digital quality)... I agree in that it would be great to get everthing from KOTCS on a bonafide release... but it's really not required when you weigh up everything that's available versus everything that's not. Up until the release of this new set, we've never had quality versions of, for example, 'Approaching the Stones' and 'On the Tank'. In this instance, I'm glad they have put their efforts in giving us full versions of TOD and TLC over KOTCS. ;)
Eh. I can kinda agree with ya there. ;)
But they're available--The Warehouse Escape and the 8:35 Jungle Chase? I knew not.
indyclone25
10-27-2008, 07:12 AM
yeah i was wondering too?
Darth Vile
10-27-2008, 07:49 AM
Where is 'Jungle Chase- Extended' available from?
From the DVD. Pre-viz section.
TheLastCrusader
10-27-2008, 08:07 AM
Where is 'Jungle Chase- Extended' available from?
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emtiem
10-27-2008, 08:14 AM
Excellent- thank you. Is there a way of ripping it?
TheLastCrusader
10-27-2008, 08:21 AM
Excellent- thank you. Is there a way of ripping it?
http://www.magicdvdripper.com/
emtiem
10-27-2008, 09:41 AM
Thanks- or you can take advantage of someone else having done it! :)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zVB95XawBF0
IndyFan89
10-27-2008, 11:11 AM
See ya around the forums!
Nice user name.:up:
sandiegojones
10-27-2008, 12:06 PM
'The Warehouse Escape' and 'The Jungle Chase - Extended' are now readily available from multiple sources (in digital quality)... I agree in that it would be great to get everthing from KOTCS on a bonafide release... but it's really not required when you weigh up everything that's available versus everything that's not. Up until the release of this new set, we've never had quality versions of, for example, 'Approaching the Stones' and 'On the Tank'. In this instance, I'm glad they have put their efforts in giving us full versions of TOD and TLC over KOTCS. ;)
BUT I HAVE TO BUY KOTCS AGAIN TO GET THE MUSIC FROM THE OTHER FILMS SO THEY SHOULD GIVE ME SOMETHING NEW!
I don't get how you can state that the music in KOTCS is not important but the music being released for TOD and LC is? As a consumer, if I am expected to pay $50 to get an extended box set for soundtracks I already have then I should get my money's worth. Granted TOD has a lot more to offer and I like that we'll get more of the villainous Nazi theme from LC, but if we only got half of the music for the chase in ROTLA originally and then got an extended collection but still didn't get the other half, people would be pissed (like I am about KOTCS).
There are great action cues in the warehouse and jungle scenes and I particularly want the music from the Indy & Dovchenko fight on the rocket sled. It may only be about 2 minutes, but if you compile that with the missing music in other places in the film, that amounts to about 20 minutes. Again, a lot of that music is from action scenes. I think they should have even put "Hound Dog", "Shake, Rattle and Roll" and "Wake up Little Suzie" on the extended release. I'd even be satisfied if they allowed you to download the missing tracks for free online with a proof of purchase for the box set.
Some of the music may be on the DVD but I'm not savvy enough to transfer and download and all that.
IndyFan93
10-27-2008, 02:25 PM
Nice user name.:up:
lol Thanks! :D
From the DVD. Pre-viz section.
Eh...the Pre-Viz Version is not complete. I mean, it is something...but still not good enough... =/
emtiem
10-27-2008, 03:17 PM
Yes, I've just listened to the Jungle track from the pre-viz and I'm sure I remember there being a statement of the secondary part of the Raiders march as Indy jumps onto that jeep full of Ruskies which doesn't seem to be in there (it is a while since I've seen it though- still not out on DVD here).
michael
10-27-2008, 07:14 PM
Track times released.
http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1047
CD 1: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK - EXPANDED EDITION
01. In the Jungle (4:11)
02. The Idol Temple (3:54)
03. Escape from the Temple (1:31)
04. Flight from Peru (2:21)
05. Washington Men/Indy's Home * (1:03)
06. A Thought for Marion/To Nepal (2:10)
07. The Medallion (2:52)
08. Flight to Cairo (1:28)
09. The Basket Game (5:01)
10. Bad Dates * (1:11)
11. The Map Room: Dawn (3:49)
12. Reunion in the Tent/Searching for the Well (3:59)
13. The Well of the Souls (5:26)
14. Indy Rides the Statue * (1:07)
15. The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing (4:34)
16. Desert Chase (7:31)
17. Marion's Theme/The Crate (2:07)
18. The German Sub (1:21)
19. Ride to the Nazi Hideout (3:17)
20. Indy Follows the Ark (1:38)
21. The Miracle of the Ark (6:05)
22. Washington Ending & Raiders March (6:51)
* Previously unreleased
CD 2: INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM - EXPANDED EDITION
01. Anything Goes (2:49)
02. Indy Negotiates * (3:58)
03. The Nightclub Brawl * (2:30)
04. Fast Streets of Shanghai (3:39)
05. Map/Out of Fuel * (3:21)
06. Slalom on Mt. Humol (2:23)
07. Short Round's Theme (2:28)
08. The Scroll/To Pankot Palace * (4:24)
09. Nocturnal Activities (5:53)
10. Bug Tunnel/Death Trap (3:28)
11. Approaching the Stones * (2:38)
12. Children in Chains (2:41)
13. The Temple of Doom (2:58)
14. Short Round Escapes* (2:20)
15. Saving Willie * (3:34)
16. Slave Children's Crusade (3:22)
17. Short Round Helps * (4:49)
18. The Mine Car Chase (3:40)
19. Water! * (1:55)
20. The Sword Trick * (1:03)
21. The Broken Bridge/British Relief * (4:46)
22. End Credits (6:19)
* Previously unreleased
CD 3: INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE - EXPANDED EDITION
01. Indy's Very First Adventure ** (12:00)
02. The Boat Scene * (2:21)
03. X Marks the Spot (3:11)
04. Ah, Rats!!! (3:40)
05. Escape from Venice (4:22)
06. Journey to Austria * (0:38)
07. Father and Son Reunited * (1:48)
08. The Austrian Way * (2:39)
09. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra (3:52)
10. Alarm! * (3:05)
11. No Ticket (2:44)
12. Keeping Up With the Joneses (3:36)
13. Brother of the Cruciform Sword (1:56)
14. On the Tank * (3:37)
15. Belly of the Steel Beast (5:28)
16. The Canyon of the Crescent Moon (4:17)
17. The Penitent Man Will Pass (3:23)
18. The Keeper of the Grail (3:23)
19. Finale & End Credits (10:37)
* Previously unreleased
** Includes previously unreleased material
CD 4: INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL - ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
01. Raiders March (5:06)
02. Call of the Crystal (3:49)
03. The Adventures of Mutt (3:12)
04. Irina's Theme (2:26)
05. The Snake Pit (3:15)
06. The Spell of the Skull (4:24)
07. The Journey to Akator (3:07)
08. A Whirl Through Academe (3:34)
09. "Return" (3:12)
10. The Jungle Chase (4:23)
11. Orellana's Cradle (4:22)
12. Grave Robbers (2:29)
13. Hidden Treasure and the City of Gold (5:14)
14. Secret Doors and Scorpions (2:17)
15. Oxley's Dilemma (4:46)
16. Ants! (4:14)
17. Temple Ruins and the Secret Revealed (5:51)
18. The Departure (2:27)
19. Finale (9:20)
CD 5: INTERVIEWS AND MORE MUSIC FROM INDIANA JONES
01. Raiders March (from Raiders of the Lost Ark) (2:28)
02. Interviews with John Williams, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, Hosted by Laurent Bouzereau (17:56)
03. Uncovering the Ark ** (from Raiders of the Lost Ark) (5:30)
04. Indy and the Villagers * (from Temple of Doom) (3:51)
05. Secret Passage, The * (from Temple of Doom) (3:28)
06. Father's Study * (from Last Crusade) (2:25)
07. Marcus Is Captured/To Berlin * (from Last Crusade) (1:53)
08. To the Blimp * (from Last Crusade) * (2:01)
09. Blimp Turns Around, The (from Last Crusade) (1:27)
10. Death of Kazim * (from Last Crusade) (2:24)
11. Wrong Choice, Right Choice * (from Last Crusade) (4:34)
12. Return to the Village/Raiders March * (from Temple Of Doom) (3:26)
* Previously unreleased
** Previously unreleased on CD
Full-color booklet including more than 25 pages of behind-the-scenes photos, storyboards and other memorable images from the films.
IndyFan89
10-27-2008, 08:44 PM
I really don't want to pay for the KOCS album again unless it was expanded. I sent concord a e-mail.
sandiegojones
10-27-2008, 09:00 PM
I really don't want to pay for the KOCS album again unless it was expanded. I sent concord a e-mail.
Good idea, but that'll just make them put out another version separate from the set.
What if they let you download like 20 minutes of extra music for free with purchase of the box set? I'd be somewhat satisfied with that.
Darth Vile
10-28-2008, 04:37 AM
BUT I HAVE TO BUY KOTCS AGAIN TO GET THE MUSIC FROM THE OTHER FILMS SO THEY SHOULD GIVE ME SOMETHING NEW!
I don't get how you can state that the music in KOTCS is not important but the music being released for TOD and LC is? As a consumer, if I am expected to pay $50 to get an extended box set for soundtracks I already have then I should get my money's worth. Granted TOD has a lot more to offer and I like that we'll get more of the villainous Nazi theme from LC, but if we only got half of the music for the chase in ROTLA originally and then got an extended collection but still didn't get the other half, people would be pissed (like I am about KOTCS).
There are great action cues in the warehouse and jungle scenes and I particularly want the music from the Indy & Dovchenko fight on the rocket sled. It may only be about 2 minutes, but if you compile that with the missing music in other places in the film, that amounts to about 20 minutes. Again, a lot of that music is from action scenes. I think they should have even put "Hound Dog", "Shake, Rattle and Roll" and "Wake up Little Suzie" on the extended release. I'd even be satisfied if they allowed you to download the missing tracks for free online with a proof of purchase for the box set.
Some of the music may be on the DVD but I'm not savvy enough to transfer and download and all that.
Why are you shouting? If you feel that perturbed, you can always refrain from purchasing it you know.
If KOTCS were excluded from the box set, the price would still be more or less the same i.e. £40. The value in this package is the extended TOD and TLC scores. I’m quite happy to spend circa £20 on each of the extended OST’s… and the Concord label knows it. That’s why they have put their efforts into the extended versions of those scores and not KOTCS... as that's what most will be buying it for. Therefore, one could argue that the KOTCS OST is nothing more than a bonus in this release.
Also – take into account that the OST’s for TOD and TLC are circa 40/60 minutes in length, whilst KOTCS already comes in at over 90 minutes i.e. it equates to a double album already.
There really isn’t that much qualitative KOTCS music left to release. From a completist perspective, yes it’s great to have EVERYTHING… but again I’d argue that having circa 5/10 minutes of extra KOTCS music is not essential to this release, nor would it make the £40 price tag any more valid/affordable (as I think it’s worth it with or without KOTCS).
P.S. If you send me a personal email address, I’ll send you an MP3…
Darth Vile
10-28-2008, 04:41 AM
lol Thanks! :D
Eh...the Pre-Viz Version is not complete. I mean, it is something...but still not good enough... =/
Why is it not complete or good enough??? Everyone who talked about missing music from the KOTCS OST (prior to the release of the DVD) majored on the warehouse escape and the extended jungle chase. Now we have them... and because they are digital quality, it's as good as anything you could buy.
indyclone25
10-28-2008, 05:26 AM
well now when the new soundtracks come out i will have re-number them to ad the music from the disc five to fit in with my mp3 player:D
emtiem
10-28-2008, 05:50 AM
Why is it not complete or good enough??? Everyone who talked about missing music from the KOTCS OST (prior to the release of the DVD) majored on the warehouse escape and the extended jungle chase. Now we have them... and because they are digital quality, it's as good as anything you could buy.
But is there not a bit missing from the jungle chase? I'm sure I remember some of the second section of the Raiders march in there as all the soldiers get bumped out of the jeep...
As for moaning about the KOTCS soundtrack being in the box set- talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth...
Darth Vile
10-28-2008, 05:54 AM
But is there not a bit missing from the jungle chase? I'm sure I remember some of the second section of the Raiders march in there as all the soldiers get bumped out of the jeep...
As for moaning about the KOTCS soundtrack being in the box set- talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth...
The version in the movie is basically a hybrid of the OST track and the alternate version that's on the 'pre viz' section of the DVD. So once you have both versions, you should be able to do an edit that will give you something similar to the movie edit...
davros72
10-28-2008, 08:31 AM
Regarding being "forced" to buy KOTCS again...
If memory serves, the box set was announced prior to the release of KOTCS, as well as the fact that it would include KOTCS. (Granted, we didn't know what, if any, new tracks from any of the movies would be on there.) Anyone had the option at that point of waiting for the box set to get KOTCS.
Also, as far as I know, Concord is still planning to release the soundtracks to the first three films individually sometime next year. That will probably not include the bonus 5th disc, however.
So it's basically a personal judgment call, buy the set and get the extra tracks on the bonus disc as well as a duplicate KOTCS (my choice), or wait for the separate releases and not have the extra tracks from the bonus disc (at least legally)?
Benraianajones
10-28-2008, 11:35 AM
The original version of the soundtrack for KOTCS doesn't have the small segment of music used at the start of the Jungle chase - which is a sped up version of Irina's theme, as Indy approaches her in the jeep as she grasps the skull in the bag.
sandiegojones
10-28-2008, 11:47 AM
There's quite a bit of music in KOTCS from the warehouse, rocketsled, doomtown, jungle chase and other bits that are not just retreads of the Raiders March.
And no, the set was not annouced prior to the KOTCS CD release. Like I said, the TOD and the LC music on the bonus disc make it worth it, but they should be sold separate like the extended ROTLA was in the event that you own KOTCS already. Also I stated I'd be perfectly happy to buy it and get credit so I could download extra KOTCS from the internet (that would let the record label save face and still be fair). If I'm willing/forced to pay again for something I already have then they can be nice and throw a frickin' bone.
As far as getting the music from the pre-vis on the DVD, no. #1 I shouldn't have to do that if I am paying for an extended box set for soundtracks I have already have, and #2 that music in cut up and not comprehensive. There are many parts whey they trimmed and cut music to match the pre-vis since the previs was faster than the actual scenes.
EDIT:
Riddle me this Batman...now that this box set includes all of the films music, why then do we have the Raiders March with Marion's theme included on track 1 if we're getting the ROTLA disc and a bonus disc with it too? That track was included on KOTCS for those who don't own the other Indy CD's. Now it's just a waste of space and could have 5:00 minutes for other KOTCS music. This is just a cash grab. For those who don't own KOTCS is a nice bonus, but lets be real, anyone looking to buy the Indy box set likely has it already.
emtiem
10-28-2008, 12:14 PM
They're just trying to offer the 'Complete' collection of soundtracks, and if KOTCS wasn't in there this thread would still be full of moaning. This set is A Good Thing. If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's not as if it's expensive even.
sandiegojones
10-28-2008, 12:29 PM
They're just trying to offer the 'Complete' collection of soundtracks, and if KOTCS wasn't in there this thread would still be full of moaning. This set is A Good Thing. If you don't want it, don't buy it. It's not as if it's expensive even.
If they were just offering "complete" collections like you say, then they should just release the older discs from prior releases with KOTCS. What they are selling is extended releases.
Considering many like me own the original releases for the trilogy and KOTCS, it is expensive. $50 is a lot to get what barely amounts to about 1 hour more of music for 4 films, especially since I already spent $13 for KOTCS in May and am required to own it again with not 1 second of new music. It's a double dip. My beef is not with anything provided for the older films, just KOTCS. Even if they gave us just one 5 minute track not released before for KOTCS I'd be happy.
If you read my posts, I'm not even asking them to print another disc, just to give those that want it the opportunity to download it (with proof of purcahse of the box set).
davros72
10-28-2008, 01:51 PM
And no, the set was not annouced prior to the KOTCS CD release.
OK, same day, I was close. http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1004&Itemid=1
I was mistaken in thinking that back when we did initally hear about the re-releases (April 2) it mentioned the fact that it was a box set including KOTCS, but that wasn't confirmed til May 20th, the day of the KOTCS CD release. http://www.jwfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=952&Itemid=1
And if this was just a "cash grab", they wouldn't have put any effort into this and released the 1981, 1984 and 1989 versions of the soundtracks without any extra work or bonus tracks or anything. They're trying. From what I've read in the JWFan.com forums, it sounds like the additional music is somewhat limited due to reuse fees, being able to only license 15-minute blocks of music, etc.
For more information I'd recommend reading this thread (http://jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16422) at the JWFan forums. Lots of good info and track listings analysis and more.
I understand your frustration, my friend. I was hoping for more KOTCS tracks as well, especially since Concord released that particular soundtrack you'd think they'd have best access to additional music for that film. And feel free to PM me if you want to "discuss" the pre-viz tracks. ;)
But I am grateful that we are getting so much previously-unreleased tracks and the previously-released tracks are reportedly getting a nice audio sprucing-up. I feel it's well worth even getting a second copy of KOTCS.
You could always sell your duplicate copy, or give it as a gift to someone. Or keep one for "archive purposes" in case your original copy gets scratched or lost or stolen.
sandiegojones
10-28-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm only complaining about what we're not getting. What they've put together is great. Also, according to the article you provided the link to, they were unaware at that time that there would be the unreleased music. Since I have all of the soundtracks already that news would not have prevented me from getting KOTCS in May.
Plus, I don't frequent that site so the news of a box set didn't hit my ears until June and the contents have only recently been released. The only one I'm really "jonesing" for is the TOD disc and I wish they were sold separate.
What I don't get about the whole "license fee" thing is that some of the missing music is actually in the Lego Indy game. Why is it not an issue there?
davros72
10-28-2008, 02:18 PM
What I don't get about the whole "license fee" thing is that some of the missing music is actually in the Lego Indy game. Why is it not an issue there?
I'm not sure I get it entirely either, but I would guess that Concord had to pay its own reuse fees for what they wanted to release, and the Lego Indy game had to pay for the reuse fees for what they wanted to use.
IndyFan93
10-28-2008, 04:22 PM
Why is it not complete or good enough??? Everyone who talked about missing music from the KOTCS OST (prior to the release of the DVD) majored on the warehouse escape and the extended jungle chase. Now we have them... and because they are digital quality, it's as good as anything you could buy.
Because the Pre-Viz is like...what...5 minutes? The full Jungle Chase is 8:35--starting right at 75:00 into the movie. The Pre-Viz excludes quite a bit. I personally would love to see someone just extract that whole 8:35 from the DVD. I'd do it, but I don't know how. lol It just doesn't satisfy me, having a 4:22 Track on the OST and the incomplete Pre-Viz. =/
Darth Vile
10-28-2008, 05:42 PM
Because the Pre-Viz is like...what...5 minutes? The full Jungle Chase is 8:35--starting right at 75:00 into the movie. The Pre-Viz excludes quite a bit. I personally would love to see someone just extract that whole 8:35 from the DVD. I'd do it, but I don't know how. lol It just doesn't satisfy me, having a 4:22 Track on the OST and the incomplete Pre-Viz. =/
I refer to my previous post pasted below...
"The version in the movie is basically a hybrid of the OST track and the alternate version that's on the 'pre viz' section of the DVD. So once you have both versions, you should be able to do an edit that will give you something similar to the movie edit"...
emtiem
10-28-2008, 06:03 PM
If they were just offering "complete" collections like you say, then they should just release the older discs from prior releases with KOTCS. What they are selling is extended releases.
Eh? That makes it more 'complete', doesn't it? More complete as it's ever been before.
Just look on it as a set of soundtracks you're paying a certain amount for and getting a free copy of KOTCS thrown in! Why aren't you moaning about all of the tracks on the Raiders cd (for example) that you already own? I don't understand where you're coming from. If they'd had to repress the KOTCS to fit in just one more track it would probably push the price up even higher.
Considering many like me own the original releases for the trilogy and KOTCS, it is expensive. $50 is a lot to get what barely amounts to about 1 hour more of music for 4 films, especially since I already spent $13 for KOTCS in May and am required to own it again with not 1 second of new music. It's a double dip. My beef is not with anything provided for the older films, just KOTCS. Even if they gave us just one 5 minute track not released before for KOTCS I'd be happy.
The new stuff on these CDs is probably, what- 20%, 30%? If that much. If you're not happy to be paying to hear tracks you've already bought from all four of the Indiana Jones films this really ain't the set for you, whether or not the KOTCS disc is there.
I refer to my previous post pasted below...
"The version in the movie is basically a hybrid of the OST track and the alternate version that's on the 'pre viz' section of the DVD. So once you have both versions, you should be able to do an edit that will give you something similar to the movie edit"...
I've just checked YouTube and there's definitely stuff missing- noticably the part of the Raiders march that plays as Indy drives the jeep full of Russians over a log so they all fall out isn't in the track from the pre-viz. I'm not sure what else is missing.
sandiegojones
10-28-2008, 06:07 PM
I guess my point is that they should just sell them all separately (not just ROTLA) if they aren't going to be providing anything extra from KOTCS as they are with the others. All I really want from the set is TOD anyway.
IndyFan93
10-28-2008, 08:58 PM
I've just checked YouTube and there's definitely stuff missing- noticably the part of the Raiders march that plays as Indy drives the jeep full of Russians over a log so they all fall out isn't in the track from the pre-viz. I'm not sure what else is missing.
Yeah. Exactly. The Raiders March plays and the Duck goes over a log, and the Skull goes flying up and Oxley catches it.
It's not a hybrid version. Hybrid...no offense, but that's a load of crap. If you "edit" the two together, it's not gonna be the same at all. The version on the soundtrack is formed together from bits and pieces of the movie version. It sounds forced in many spots. The movie version is 10 times better--in my opinion anyway. It's missing A LOT.
Darth Vile
10-29-2008, 03:14 AM
I've just checked YouTube and there's definitely stuff missing- noticably the part of the Raiders march that plays as Indy drives the jeep full of Russians over a log so they all fall out isn't in the track from the pre-viz. I'm not sure what else is missing.
Remember that the pre viz isn't perfect, and there are bits that are out of sequence and/or slightly shorter/longer. Listening to the 'Jungle Chase - Extended' track isolation, there is the Raiders march motif at 1:26, 2:02 and 2:52 (one of the best versions). Are these the bits you mean?
emtiem
10-29-2008, 06:01 AM
It's the secondary part of the theme- the bit that plays triumphantly at the end of the truck chase or which first plays after Marion's theme in the end credits, for example- the part which Williams designed as an alternate Indy theme but Spielberg got him to combine with the other. I don't have the Jungle pre-viz track here to listen to, but all I remember that containing is quotes of the primary part of the Raiders March.
Darth Vile
10-29-2008, 07:10 AM
It's the secondary part of the theme- the bit that plays triumphantly at the end of the truck chase or which first plays after Marion's theme in the end credits, for example- the part which Williams designed as an alternate Indy theme but Spielberg got him to combine with the other. I don't have the Jungle pre-viz track here to listen to, but all I remember that containing is quotes of the primary part of the Raiders March.
Oh ok... I know the bit you mean. Yep - You are correct in that there is no secondary Raiders motif in there. I'll check the DVD out and see where it appears.
Frank V
10-31-2008, 06:59 PM
From the Intrada forum:
Hello, all. I received an advance copy of INDIANA JONES: THE SOUNDTRACKS COLLECTION and I just wanted to give you my initial impressions. Let me start by saying that an expanded Temple Of Doom was Number One on my personal list of "holy grails", so obviously I am incredibly excited to have all of this music.
But there are some production oddities about this set that make me scratch my head. The first thing that stands out to me is the "Desert Chase" from Raiders is the same stupid edited-down version that was on the original LP and first CD issue. Which means you all need to keep your DCC expanded Raiders disc.
The second thing that makes me scratch my head is that there are many cues from Temple Of Doom that were written to be cross-faded together, yet are presented as individual cues on the the CD. "The Nightclub Brawl" is written to be cross-faded into "Fast Streets Of Shanghai" for example, as is "Map/Out Of Fuel" into "Slalom On Mt. Humol", as is "Saving Willie" into "Slave Children's Crusade" into "Short Round Helps." There are many other examples of this and those who know the score will know what I'm talking about. Minor quibble? Perhaps.
Another oddity: in Last Crusade, "Belly Of The Steel Beast" is comprised of 3 cues cross-faded together. On the original CD "Belly" is comprised of part 1 and 3 (the 2nd part was omitted for the album). And now here "Belly Of The Steel Beast" is the same cue as the previous CD. The missing middle section is presented as the track right before "Belly" and is called "On The Tank." While I'm happy to have the missing music (a great piece of action music) I have to wonder why it wasn't assembled properly.
Alright, enough complaining!! "Indy's Very First Adventure" is all here now, including the fantastic moment when the guy with the fedora watches young Indy escape from the train. "Approaching The Stones" indeed includes the incredible choral music when Indy sees the stones glow. And on the bonus disc, "Uncovering The Ark" is a massive five-minute piece.
Bottom line: I can't believe I'm holding in my hands my top-wanted grail of film music after 24 years of waiting. "Hang on lady, we going for a ride!"
I did listen to the interviews. To me, it seemed mostly like they were edited from the DVD interviews (Spielberg whistling the two potential Indy themes and suggesting that Williams use both ideas, Spielberg saying that Temple Of Doom had some of the best "trek" music he'd ever heard, etc).
Thanks for reminding me -- that's another thing that kind of annoyed me. "Return To The Village / Raiders March" is only the cue up until the end titles start to roll. It is not cross-faded into the end title.
muttjones
10-31-2008, 07:50 PM
sorry i cant be bothered going through 15 pages of thread so:
when does it come out?
I got all the soundtracks off the internet and then i watched TOD a few days ago and was furious that all this music was cut out.
cheers :D
Frank V
11-01-2008, 03:48 AM
when does it come out?
November 11.
michael
11-01-2008, 03:47 PM
From that forum Frank V just posted...
Maurizio Caschetto wrote:
So, are the "End Credits" on Disc 2 the same track of the OST album
Yes, the "End Credits" on Disc 2 are the same as the album.
-- Jeff
^^^This my ONLY disappointment from this set. The actual film end credits includes the decent version of Indy & Short Round's theme mixed together. Bleh! And we don't even get it apparently on the Return to the Village/Raiders March. I mean, it's soooo key to have that. It's only like 20 seconds. But I am still grateful for this set, just figured I'd post this for anybody wondering.
Edit: Link: http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2193
Nurhachi1991
11-01-2008, 10:42 PM
On the intro to LC does it include the Indian chanting like in the film? I love that part.
Frank V
11-02-2008, 06:08 AM
On the intro to LC does it include the Indian chanting like in the film? I love that part.
Don't count on it.
Frank V
11-07-2008, 10:08 AM
Samples from all the tracks on discs 1, 2, 3 and 4 can be found here:
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?r=1&EAN=888072310001&ourl=Indiana-Jones-The-Complete-Soundtracks-Collection
Benraianajones
11-07-2008, 01:06 PM
On the intro to LC does it include the Indian chanting like in the film? I love that part.
I watched the film earlier and noticed how much I like that bit.
muttjones
11-07-2008, 04:41 PM
Samples from all the tracks on discs 1, 2, 3 and 4 can be found here:
http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?r=1&EAN=888072310001&ourl=Indiana-Jones-The-Complete-Soundtracks-Collection
doesnt work on mac :(
indyclone25
11-07-2008, 05:42 PM
On the intro to LC does it include the Indian chanting like in the film? I love that part.
i was hoping that in the raiders soundtrack that they would add the cairo workers singing but i don't think that will happen either since they didn't add it to the last release
Benraianajones
11-07-2008, 05:56 PM
On disc 5 is says on sites, a peice from Last Crusade called "Wrong Choice, Right choice", so I am guessing that is the whole drinking from the false grail, and picking the correct one scene.
michael
11-07-2008, 08:05 PM
On disc 5 is says on sites, a peice from Last Crusade called "Wrong Choice, Right choice", so I am guessing that is the whole drinking from the false grail, and picking the correct one scene.
It's gotta be.
So listening to those samples, "map/out of fuel" is a different version from the film one, as long as it has the lead into that raiders march after Indy puts his hat on, I will be happy!
Also, after reading on a John Williams fan site---the statement of the raiders march where Indy swings into the cart is on it! (in "Short Round Helps") That might be my favorite version of the raiders march next to the one where Indy arrives of the German sub. I was skeptical that it might not be on it.
sandiegojones
11-08-2008, 12:04 AM
i was hoping that in the raiders soundtrack that they would add the cairo workers singing but i don't think that will happen either since they didn't add it to the last release
That, like the indian chant in LC is a sound effect, not music.
indyclone25
11-08-2008, 07:31 AM
That, like the indian chant in LC is a sound effect, not music.
yeah but when you hear it in the movie its just part of the music--- and should be included --but like i said before they didn't add it to the last raiders release
Crack that whip
11-09-2008, 08:08 PM
Shipping confirmation received!!! :D :whip:
singsingjohnny
11-10-2008, 10:55 AM
I put this bad boy on my Christmas list...hope i get it! :hat:
Crack that whip
11-10-2008, 02:44 PM
Incidentally, it appears Amazon is also going to offer the set as MP3 downloads, for those not intent on having the shiny plastic discs and swanky packaging; supposedly eMusic is going to have it as well.
I'm listening to Amazon's MP3 previews (http://www.amazon.com/Indiana-Jones-The-Soundtracks-Collection/dp/B001KQLUJ8/) of the new tracks. I'm so Jonesing for this set; I've waited a long, long time for so much of this music...
:D
indyclone25
11-10-2008, 06:24 PM
mine was also being sent out as this morning --- yee ha , can't wait for this set
IndyFan93
11-10-2008, 08:24 PM
Not that there's nothing I can't do about it, but it's pretty stupid they have the 7:31 Desert Chase. Why would they do that? I mean...honestly. lol
And they should've released the full 8:35 Jungle Chase to make up for it.:cool: :mad:
Really... The whole Desert Chase and non-extended "Kingdom" soundtrack are the only disappointing parts of this collection. =\
Crack that whip
11-10-2008, 09:06 PM
Actually, there does seem to be one other disappointment, alas. It's come out on JWfan.net and over on the FSM board (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=23&threadID=53354&archive=0) that the Raiders of the Lost Ark disc has tracks mastered at the wrong speed / pitch. It's apparently close enough to the correct speed that most people wouldn't notice on their own, but a notable JW fan has done an A/B comparison of the left channel from the 1995 DCC release of Raiders and the right channel from the Raiders disc in this set and posted the results over at YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-kDwhv0Pw); the two go farther out of sync the longer they go on.
:(
Hopefully there'll be corrected discs sent out...
muttjones
11-11-2008, 01:47 AM
this'll be a christmas present hopefully ;)
indyclone25
11-11-2008, 05:22 AM
Actually, there does seem to be one other disappointment, alas. It's come out on JWfan.net and over on the FSM board (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=23&threadID=53354&archive=0) that the Raiders of the Lost Ark disc has tracks mastered at the wrong speed / pitch. It's apparently close enough to the correct speed that most people wouldn't notice on their own, but a notable JW fan has done an A/B comparison of the left channel from the 1995 DCC release of Raiders and the right channel from the Raiders disc in this set and posted the results over at YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-kDwhv0Pw); the two go farther out of sync the longer they go on.
:(
Hopefully there'll be corrected discs sent out...
that was pretty bad ---- but i guess if you just listen to the new disc you won't hear that much of a difference ?:rolleyes:
emtiem
11-11-2008, 07:59 AM
A pain, but to be honest the Raiders disc interests me only slightly more than the Crystal Skull one: there's not much on there I don't already own so I doubt I'll be popping it in very often.
Mine's on the way to the UK; hope it's here soon! :)
Actually, there does seem to be one other disappointment, alas. It's come out on JWfan.net and over on the FSM board (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=23&threadID=53354&archive=0) that the Raiders of the Lost Ark disc has tracks mastered at the wrong speed / pitch. It's apparently close enough to the correct speed that most people wouldn't notice on their own, but a notable JW fan has done an A/B comparison of the left channel from the 1995 DCC release of Raiders and the right channel from the Raiders disc in this set and posted the results over at YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-kDwhv0Pw); the two go farther out of sync the longer they go on.
:( While it may differ from the other release, synching it to the film would be the better test. Perhaps the '95 edition is the wrong speed?:confused:
Don Pedicini Jr
11-11-2008, 12:01 PM
Just picked up the only copy at the local Best Buy. It seems they only got one copy in....
Crack that whip
11-11-2008, 03:34 PM
While it may differ from the other release, synching it to the film would be the better test. Perhaps the '95 edition is the wrong speed?:confused:
According to the guy who first noted it (a guy I've been seeing on film score geek sites for years - a huge Williams fan) the DCC and movie are at the same speed, and it is indeed the new release that's off.
That said, he did also note it was a small difference, amounting to perhaps a second or two on most tracks - very evident when listening to the old and new disc side-by-side, as he's done, but something most normal people would be hard-pressed to even notice when listening to the new one on its own.
Also, for those who already have the old release, one can always just use that as a source for most of the tracks and use the new one solely for the added material; completists would already want to mix the two anyway, since the new release has the old 1981 album edit of "Desert Chase" and not the extended, preferable-to-most-fans version on the 1995 DCC disc. That's what I intend to do, myself; I'm tweaking and refinining my own Indy playlist in iTunes with the intention of making it as comprehensive as I can, but if a track is on more than one disc, I just use whichever version I want.
But that said, I do hope they issue a corrected disc, even if it winds up being only subtly, even imperceptibly different. A certain amount of obsessive anal retentiveness guides lots of fans, I think, and this one is no different... :o
indyclone25
11-11-2008, 03:53 PM
Just picked up the only copy at the local Best Buy. It seems they only got one copy in....
--- so the individual soundtracks are in cases like the kotcs was? not the plastic cases we are used to.
michael
11-11-2008, 04:19 PM
--- so the individual soundtracks are in cases like the kotcs was? not the plastic cases we are used to.
Yes. I actually prefer them that way. This set is amazing, top of the line.
Crack that whip
11-11-2008, 05:20 PM
Now available from the iTunes Store (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=294901986&s=143441)!
singsingjohnny
11-11-2008, 08:46 PM
Sweet! :D
IndyFan89
11-12-2008, 12:34 AM
Best Buy or Barnes and Noble had nothing, i just ordered it to come to my house at Barnes, saved like 10 bucks that way. :up:
Only set back, 3-4 business days.
muttjones
11-12-2008, 12:54 AM
Now available from the iTunes Store (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=294901986&s=143441)!
link doesnt work and i cant find it on a search. any help?
Don Pedicini Jr
11-12-2008, 02:43 PM
Nice packaging and yes they are all in the cases such as KOTCS release. I just wish they would have gone more into the behind the scenes info in the booklet like the Complete Recordings of LOTR did. I love pictures as much as the next person but I think they put too many in the booklet.
Mitchellhallock
11-12-2008, 05:24 PM
<a href="http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii135/mitchellhallock/?action=view¤t=IMG_0625.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii135/mitchellhallock/IMG_0625.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
I just wrote up a review for TheRaider.net and took a bunch of pictures... you cansee them on my Photobucket link... the set looks and SOUNDS great -- I really enjoyed the bonus interview CD.
Read all about it probably tomorrow when Gilles puts it up.
torao
11-12-2008, 06:40 PM
<a href="http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii135/mitchellhallock/?action=view¤t=IMG_0625.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii135/mitchellhallock/IMG_0625.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
Aaaaww. Looks fabulous. The whole "one image per piece" look is perfectly simple! The iconic and strong texture of the images speak for themselves. Wonderful.
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