Decapitation on Greyhound bus [Archive]

Gear

08-01-2008, 01:18 AM

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080731/national/mba_bus_stabbing

....................................????!??!?!???!?!??!?!

What the Hell?!?!

I have to say when I read the part explaining what actually happened I immediately burst a laugh--please, please, not because of the truly horrific and sinister killing, but because of the absolute total randomness of the event.

In fact, it isn't funny.

Also....

"It's not something that happens regularly on a bus,"

YA THINK????????????????????????????

Goonie

08-01-2008, 01:46 AM

Canada's new tourism slogan:
Visit Canada, ride with Greyhound, get decapitated, eh!

:sick:
The worst experience I had on Greyhound was when I was heading to Vancouver and got stranded for 5 hours on the Coquihalla highway due to a blown tire. The bus had a spare, a jack, but no tire wrench. At least there was no crazy psychopath on the bus... but after waiting five hours, there could've been... :eek:

Nurhachi1991

08-01-2008, 02:54 AM

Call the Hospital tell them Michael's escaped..........

roundshort

08-01-2008, 04:04 AM

sounds like a college kids who majors in film and has watched 1 too many horror-graphic-exploit flicks. I can here him now, "But in the movies this is o.k.! I am repeating art, don't you ****s understand!"

Totally awful.

No Ticket

08-01-2008, 04:21 AM

My question is. When this bus full of people see this one man stabbing a guy to death why don't they grab the guy and stop him? ... he is obviously outnumbered and they're essentially watching him just kill someone else.

Cowards. That's all there is to it. I hope they never forget the sight of that poor guy who was killed because they may have been able to stop it if they had tried instead of just getting off the bus and letting him decapitate his victim.

Ridiculous if you ask me. In addition to it being tragic but seriously... nobody even helped?

Coronado

08-01-2008, 05:31 AM

What a crazy occurrence! I too wondered why no one intervened - but then, I probably wouldn't go up against a nutcase frantically stabbing someone to death. And there's probably a lot more to the story than has been reported...

-Coronado

Nurhachi1991

08-01-2008, 11:42 AM

If Dr. Loomis was on the bus it would have been different.........

Attila the Professor

08-01-2008, 11:53 AM

Hmph. And I think No Ticket's got it, in terms of the proper reaction.

(Also, gear guardian, I rather like the new avatar. Surprised nobody's used that one before. It's distinctive, too.)

The Man

08-01-2008, 12:24 PM

Radio reports over here are claiming that the killer calmly walked up the aisle towards the driver, severed head in hand, turned to the passengers and dropped it.

Believe nothing until a proven account emerges.

DocWhiskey

08-01-2008, 02:44 PM

Did you read the hints in the article:

"A spokeswoman at Greyhound's head office."

"Abby Wambaugh said a bus headed from Edmonton to Winnipeg."

Definetly decapitation.

And I love this quote:

"I don't want to compromise the investigation that's currently going on by the RCMP, and we are cooperating fully with them," she said.
"Because it is an open investigation, any details need to be confirmed by the police."

Haha. "I don't want to say he was decapitated, but his head was missing." You really can't be wrong about that.

The Man

08-01-2008, 03:11 PM

Any names - victim, suspect - yet?

Goonie

08-01-2008, 05:27 PM

Any names - victim, suspect - yet?
Here are updates:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080731/Manitoba_victim_080801/20080801?hub=TopStories
and here:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/08/01/stabbing-victim.html

IndysGal41

08-01-2008, 05:33 PM

I feel bad for this mans little girl.

roundshort

08-01-2008, 05:40 PM

I feel bad for this mans little girl.

This is pretty much one of the worst single victim incidents I have ever heard about. Just disgusting. Never a fan of the death penalty, but this guy (if it happens as the story reads) really needs to be dispatched from this planet, FAST.

The Man

08-01-2008, 05:44 PM

Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded the vehicle to see whether the victim was still alive. At that point, Caton said, the suspect was beheading the victim.

Jesus H. Christ!!!

Gear

08-01-2008, 06:30 PM

From the seemingly random and senseless killing I cant help but remember of Bobby Kennedy's assassination.

The killer in that account, from the vantage point of witnesses, simply walked up to the stage with a blank look on his face and shot Kennedy before being taken out.

The killer said he was standing around when a woman walked up to him and told him she wanted a coffee with two sugars and then he blanked out. The next thing he remembers was looking at Kennedy lying bloodied on the floor.

People have speculated ever since that he was a hypnotized assailant ordered by the CIA to act out the event.

Adding credibility to this accusation is the recently declassified CIA test footage from the late 1950's-early 1960's hypnosis projects. In one reel you see scientists hypnotizing a woman before handing her a gun loaded with blanks. A man walks in and they utter a key word to her. She stands up and fires all six shots at the man. When they repeat the key word she faints and awakens to have no memory of the event.

I'm not suggesting this was a government operation, but it is interesting none the less.

P.S.

Thanks Attila.

Hopefully now there will be no more confusion, and it fits rather well.

No Ticket

08-01-2008, 06:51 PM

I think the proper reaction would be for several people to grab hold of the guy, especially his arms... then I'm sure a woman on there had mace or something in her purse.. They could have maced him... someone could have come up behind him while other people were holding him and grabbed his neck, bit him... stabbed him with their car keys.

There are all kinds of things they could have done outside of just running off the bus. True, someone else may have gotten hurt, but likely not killed and they may have been able to save that kid before the attacker had stabbed him so many times it was too late.

I realize that maybe they didn't notice in time and things like that... but we will never know. I still think they should have tried to do something. I think that this is just how people are. People don't want to help. This is not always the case but I've seen it before. There was a video I saw online of this guy stabbing this woman to death... and what...

what were the people doing? One guy ran up and kicked him then backed off but the guy was on the ground just stabbing away... another guy was holding a camera on the victim....

I don't know what happened to the lady, she got up but she was very hurt. She was probably stabbed 30 times. This is ridiculous. All those people on the street were afraid of this guy with what was essentially a steak knife. All those people together could have stopped him or at least got the knife away from him.

You have to act.

Kingsley

08-03-2008, 03:23 AM

I don't know how I would react to such a kind of violence... I wish I will become heroic and make the right thing. But I think my first and sincere reaction would be fear.

I could agree that in a bus with 37 people someone should be brave enough to stop him, but I'm not sure I would be able to help fast enough, as much as I wish. It's such a mad situation!

Gear

08-03-2008, 03:59 AM

No Ticket

08-03-2008, 03:55 PM

Ah, the question of what truely lies in ones soul.

When faced with this question most would find it more horrifying than the danger it's self.

It is easy for us to say we would do the right thing but when push comes to shove it's all bets off.

One of my favorite quotes;

"Bravery is not being fearless, but instead being scared sh*tless and yet pushing on."

I know without a doubt, if anyone read my last post about the other stabbing I mentioned... that I wouldn't stand there filming it.

Disgusting. I keep a cool head when dangerous things happen. I always have. I'd probably jump away in fear at first but try to get others to help stop the guy. I wouldn't run off a bus and stand outside essentially watching it happen.

I like that quote because it's true.

ResidentAlien

08-03-2008, 04:05 PM

The Man

08-03-2008, 04:41 PM

Another charmer...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/2481259/British-girl's-mutilated-body-found-in-suitcase-in-Brazil.html

'...A spokesman for the public security secretariat in Goias state said: "The crime has signs of premeditation. He called Cara to his apartment, put the music on high volume and killed her with knife blows. He then took her body to the bathroom and then he went off to a party. It was only the following day he dismembered the girl's body.

"He took various photos of the chopped-up body with his cellphone's camera, including photos like those of the Taliban."

Her torso was found in the suitcase in the Meia Ponte river on Tuesday and pictures of it were later broadcast on an international Brazilian channel.'

No Ticket

08-03-2008, 04:54 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7539944.stm

Another decapitation^^^

And all this bravery talk is elementary school foolishness.

The fact of the matter is that in a confined space, jumping a guy with a knife could only have resulted in more injuries. In a confined space, a knife is endlessly more lethal than a pistol. Fact.

From the reports, it sounded as if it was too late for that guy from the get-go. Sad but true. Sounds like the folks on the bus did the right thing; haul ass to safety and call the cops to deal with it, preventing further injuries.

Bull****.

If you were the guy getting stabbed to death by this one guy with 37 other people surrounding you you'd have a different opinion. Imagine his screaming for help with no one willing to do anything. Other injuries might have occurred, true, but you're a coward if you can help but don't.

Stoo

08-03-2008, 05:22 PM

And all this bravery talk is elementary school foolishness.

The fact of the matter is that in a confined space, jumping a guy with a knife could only have resulted in more injuries. In a confined space, a knife is endlessly more lethal than a pistol. Fact.

From the reports, it sounded as if it was too late for that guy from the get-go. Sad but true. Sounds like the folks on the bus did the right thing; haul ass to safety and call the cops to deal with it, preventing further injuries.Not to mention that it wasn't just a "bus". It was a coach with very tall seats. Seats that do not make it easy
to see other passengers very many rows ahead/behind. People who hear a blood-curdling scream from the back
followed by someone yelling for everyone to get off the bus or going to do just that. There was probably a lot of
confusion at first. Plus, coaches have tinted windows. From the ground outside, it's difficult to look in.

Apparently there were a lot children on board, too. Do you think a mother would bring her child to safety
or attack a dangerous, knife-wielding psychotic?

Disgusting. I keep a cool head when dangerous things happen. I always have. I'd probably jump away in fear at first but try to get others to help stop the guy. I wouldn't run off a bus and stand outside essentially watching it happen.3 did go back on board to confront the situation. The victim was beyond help and the guy charged at them,
slashing with the knife. So, "Cowards. That's all there is to it." is quite a presumptious thing to say.
Should have, could have, would have...

Anyway, I feel sorry for the family. It happened on Wednesday and the father (who had been following the story)
only found out that was his son on Friday when a reporter showed up at the house! They're pissed at the RCMP.

No Ticket

08-03-2008, 06:48 PM

3 did go back on board to confront the situation. The victim was beyond help and the guy charged at them,
slashing with the knife. So, "Cowards. That's all there is to it." is quite a presumptious thing to say.
Should have, could have, would have...

I did not read anything about three going back on the bus in the story I read. But at least some of them tried to help. That's better than what I thought happened, which was that, no one helped.

Plus. Of course mother's with children should get the children off the bus. You're an idiot if you think I would disagree with that.

You know exactly what I meant. Don't talk down on me like I'm stupid. I'm well aware of the confusion factor and things like that. But I was under the impression no one even attempted to help him. And my point was only if that was true. I do not claim to know exactly what happened, does anyone? This is based on what news I heard. And I still think that if you can help in a situation like that you should.

I'm glad to hear at least they tried to help him.

Goonie

08-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Apparently the attacker snacked on the victim as well according to CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/02/canada.bus.stabbing.ap/index.html

Nurhachi1991

08-04-2008, 02:51 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7539944.stm

Another decapitation^^^

And all this bravery talk is elementary school foolishness.

The fact of the matter is that in a confined space, jumping a guy with a knife could only have resulted in more injuries. In a confined space, a knife is endlessly more lethal than a pistol. Fact.

From the reports, it sounded as if it was too late for that guy from the get-go. Sad but true. Sounds like the folks on the bus did the right thing; haul ass to safety and call the cops to deal with it, preventing further injuries.

Yeah I doubt anyone here would try to stop the guy I would not try it either because all the killer has to do is make a few swiped and more people die...... This is why you always carry a knife on you :up:

Goonie

08-04-2008, 03:19 AM

This is why you always carry a knife on you :up:

But as Indy said, never bring a knife to a gunfight.

Stoo

08-04-2008, 02:39 PM

Plus. Of course mother's with children should get the children off the bus. You're an idiot if you think I would disagree with that.It was rhetorical question not aimed at you in particular. Relax, bro!

You know exactly what I meant. Don't talk down on me like I'm stupid. I'm well aware of the confusion factor and things like that. But I was under the impression no one even attempted to help him. And my point was only if that was true. I do not claim to know exactly what happened, does anyone? This is based on what news I heard.Again, chill. I was pointing out facts that you obviously overlooked/weren't aware of.
(Is tyring to describe something clearly considered talking down to someone like they're stupid?)
Anyway, the 3 re-boarding the bus was mentioned the 1st day of this thread but you
were still calling the passengers cowards. Being a little bit more informed of the events
would've served you well.;)

The point is, we weren't there so we don't know how it all went down, who was sitting nearby, etc.
(except the young guy sitting directly in front who had shared a smoke break with victim prior to the
incident. He's the one who yelled at everyone to get off the bus).

No Ticket

08-04-2008, 03:45 PM

It was rhetorical question not aimed at you in particular. Relax, bro!

Again, chill. I was pointing out facts that you obviously overlooked/weren't aware of.
(Is tyring to describe something clearly considered talking down to someone like they're stupid?)
Anyway, the 3 re-boarding the bus was mentioned the 1st day of this thread but you
were still calling the passengers cowards. Being a little bit more informed of the events
would've served you well.;)

The point is, we weren't there so we don't know how it all went down, who was sitting nearby, etc.
(except the young guy sitting directly in front who had shared a smoke break with victim prior to the
incident. He's the one who yelled at everyone to get off the bus).

I only read the first article posted at the top of the page.

Dr. Wolfwood

08-05-2008, 01:45 AM

I only read the first article posted at the top of the page.

Not aimed at you, but this kind of behaviour is unfortunately pretty common on discussion boards. The problem is that it turns them into "reaction boards" where no one reads or takes part in the discussion but only reacts to the first message. It wreaks havoc with any interaction and dialogue that a real discussion is supposed to have.

Gustav

08-05-2008, 01:57 AM

Usually I only participate in the duscussion if I catch it early. Itherwise I just relply to the original post because that's too much reading.

I'm looking forward to hearing the guy's reason for doing this.

No Ticket

08-05-2008, 03:56 AM

Not aimed at you, but this kind of behaviour is unfortunately pretty common on discussion boards. The problem is that it turns them into "reaction boards" where no one reads or takes part in the discussion but only reacts to the first message. It wreaks havoc with any interaction and dialogue that a real discussion is supposed to have.

I didn't say I read only the first post. I said I only read the first article posted and missed the other one, whichever one it was, that mentioned that three men went back to help. I read the posts, but if somebody mentioned that I guess I overlooked it or something.

Stoo

08-05-2008, 04:30 AM

Well, you replied just 1 hour and 2 posts after that vital factoid was quoted in a post.
Guess you're weren't reading very closely or were more concerned about voicing your
opinion on what "the proper reaction" should've been. Time to 'fess up.

I think the proper reaction would be for several people to grab hold of the guy, especially his arms... then I'm sure a woman on there had mace or something in her purse.. They could have maced him... someone could have come up behind him while other people were holding him and grabbed his neck, bit him... stabbed him with their car keys.What makes you so "sure" there was a woman nearby carrying mace? (Does anyone still carry that stuff anymore?)
There's also self-preservation that kicks in. You can't excpect everyone to instantly snap into DC-comic-superhero-mode.
Ideal reaction, yes. "Proper reaction", who's to say?

No Ticket

08-05-2008, 04:44 AM

Well, you replied just 1 hour and 2 posts after that vital factoid was quoted in a post.
Guess you're weren't reading very closely or were more concerned about voicing your
opinion on what "the proper reaction" should've been. Time to 'fess up.

What makes you so "sure" there was a woman nearby carrying mace? (Does anyone still carry that stuff anymore?)
There's also self-preservation that kicks in. You can't excpect everyone to instantly snap into DC-comic-superhero-mode.
Ideal reaction, yes. "Proper reaction", who's to say?

I'm done defending my point of view here. I know a lot of girls who carry mace still, I didn't say it was absolute. It's something that was a possibility. I don't know why you're jumping on me for saying I think they should have done something. Yeah, you're right... they all should have just ran off the bus and crossed their fingers.

Time to fess up what? I read the posts and I still don't see where it was quoted and I just looked. I even used the little CTRL+F function to search for "three." What exactly is it you want from me Stoo?

The reality of the situation is, nobody saved him. He's dead. No matter how you look at it he is dead and I wish somebody had/could have done something. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. This is a stupid argument.

Are you just sore about those PMs? No hard feelings Stoo.

Crusade>Raiders

08-05-2008, 12:22 PM

Cut all that "Grr, I would have back and saved him I'm a hardass!" bull****. Dude's knife was HUGE. I'm talking Rambo-size knife. In a small area. By the time you get back there dude was probably beyond help anyway. Unless its family or a really good friend, I aint bout to go back there and get stabbed. I'm no ****ing idiot. Call me a coward if you want, I'll call you stupid and then I'll see how good you feel after you get the **** stabbed out of you, trying to be a hero and ****.

Gear

08-05-2008, 05:44 PM

I think the arguement was more about would you or would you not put yourself infront of someone in need of genuine help.

Gear

08-05-2008, 09:05 PM

It goes here.

Another grusome killing:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/aug/05/games.thailand

People are retarded... and they always have an excuse...

I too play GTA and partake in the relentless and horrifying killing objectives, but in real life I would never comit such crimes without proper justification.

I am not a violent person.

One of the problems is that parents aren't responsible. Games have a rating for a reason.

There's also a maturity factor. Obviously, this kid wasn't anywhere near mature enough to play GTA. You need to be mature enough to know that you are playing a game and that the actions seen in it are not apropiate for real life. Basically, as Atilla the Professor once said; maturity is knowing when and when not to be imiture.