Fish [Archive] - The Raven

Connery's Toupe

02-20-2009, 09:41 PM

Same as eating a cow, lamb, chicken, pig, alligator, turkey etc.

It's not Jesus's fault that animals are so delicious.

You're over analyzing. Everything serves a purpose.

Yes, but the loving Lord could have at least stayed vegetarian. Thou shalt not kill.

DocWhiskey

02-20-2009, 09:48 PM

But killing for food and killing out of anger or rage are 2 completely different things.

"I'm going to kill this fish to feed my village."

or

"I'm going to kill this fish because I'm bored and angry!"

2 different things. Same fate for the fish.

The_Raiders

02-20-2009, 09:48 PM

I don't think eating an animal is really considered killing...
ANd not to get biblical on you all but it says in the bible we are meant to live off the animals and recources, the're just food pretty much.

Connery's Toupe

02-20-2009, 09:50 PM

Yes but think about it from the animals point of view. One minute swimming and humming to itself happily, the next a dark void.

It's morally unacceptable.

DocWhiskey

02-20-2009, 09:51 PM

It's morally unacceptable.

It's life.

Deal with it.

Connery's Toupe

02-20-2009, 09:54 PM

It's life.

Deal with it.

It's death and I refuse to accept it. The fish is as much a living creature as Jesus was and yet the two deaths bring considerably different reactions.

The_Raiders

02-20-2009, 09:56 PM

Eeehh, as I do think animals have certain emotional aspects, I dont tihnk its quit that phycological for them and I dont think they really have the point of view or any of those qualitys, I hate animal abuse, cant stand it, and killing an animal for no reason, but if your gonna eat it, go ahead.

Jorbex

02-20-2009, 09:58 PM

I don't think eating an animal is really considered killing...

Hey, maybe you didn't kill the animal yourself, but I don't think that makes much of a difference to the fish.:p

DocWhiskey

02-20-2009, 09:59 PM

It's death and I refuse to accept it. The fish is as much a living creature as Jesus was and yet the two deaths bring considerably different reactions.
So you're saying that if your mother hit a deer and killed it but she somehow died in the collsion as well, you'd be just as broken up to hear about the deer's tragic end as much as your mother's?

I'm speaking figuratively of course.

Connery's Toupe

02-20-2009, 10:03 PM

So you're saying that if your mother hit a deer and killed it but she somehow died in the collsion as well, you'd be just as broken up to hear about the deer's tragic end as much as your mother's?

I'm speaking figuratively of course.

My mother would never hit a deer. She doesn't drive.

I find both deaths equally shocking. Emotional investment in my mother would cause more grief, obviously, but as far as two lives being wiped out: Both would traumatise.

The_Raiders

02-20-2009, 10:06 PM

I go fishing all the time. I think the animals feel the pain but I don't think they are emotional about it (at least fish) as I said killing an animal for just killing I believe is wrong, but hey we gotta live, and animal meat has stuff in it to function properly. Gotta live man.

P.S. if a deer caused my mothers death, I and only I would eat that dear to avenge my mother

DocWhiskey

02-20-2009, 10:09 PM

Exactly. Life moves on. You talk about Jesus, well, Jesus died for us, right?

Circle of life. If you live life thinking the way you're thinking about death you'll never be able to enjoy it.

Connery's Toupe

02-20-2009, 10:30 PM

Exactly. Life moves on. You talk about Jesus, well, Jesus died for us, right?

Circle of life. If you live life thinking the way you're thinking about death you'll never be able to enjoy it.

Yes, Jesus died for us. However, I don't recall a fishy saviour for marine life sacrificing himself willingly.

Lonsome_Drifter

02-20-2009, 10:33 PM

Yes, Jesus died for us. However, I don't recall a fishy saviour for marine life sacrificing himself willingly.

One time I was fishing. I was wading up the river casting my line and I heard something on the bank of the river.
I look, and seen a HUGE bass flopping on the sand. I picked it up and kept it.

I say he sacrificed himself for my eating pleasure.

The_Raiders

02-20-2009, 10:38 PM

Yes, Jesus died for us. However, I don't recall a fishy saviour for marine life sacrificing himself willingly.

lol! Why would anything need to die for animals? that's pretty funny I tihnk, I don't think animals have any human qualitys that need saving.

Lonsome_Drifter

02-20-2009, 10:41 PM

Suddenly, I am in the mood for Long John Silvers.

Nurhachi1991

02-20-2009, 10:42 PM

Great another moron from P.E.T.A.

Connery's Toupe

02-20-2009, 10:48 PM

Great another moron from P.E.T.A.

What is P.E.T.A?

Lonsome_Drifter

02-20-2009, 10:49 PM

People Eating Tasty Animals

The_Raiders

02-20-2009, 10:50 PM

You don't wanna know. They make many odd exagerated opinions and expect poor saps to believe it. :rolleyes:

Indy's brother

02-20-2009, 11:22 PM

To confuse matters even more, may I offer you this (http://www.billymeade.com/jesus/fishstick.html):
http://www.billymeade.com/jesus/fishstick.jpg

...a fish-stick bearing the likeness of the Son of God. Or is it just the son of Cod? Is this an endorsement from Jesus, or a warning?

Indy Black

02-21-2009, 01:43 AM

I remember in Sunday School being royal ticked off(was 6 at the time) when the teacher demonstrated the loves and fishes story. I expected instead of paper fish in a bag, real fish sticks.:down:
Never mess with the minds of little kids when it comes to food.

The_Raiders

02-21-2009, 02:46 AM

I remember one time my sister and I were fishing, and she caught a fairly large catfish, well not wanting the animal to still have a hook in his mouth she decided to take the hook out. She knew they can sting you so she put her foot on it and bagan to work out the hook, well she accidentely stepped too hard and cracked its rib cage, so my friend stomped its head and I stabbed it with a knife. It was a very tasty catfish I might add. :whip:

roundshort

02-21-2009, 03:13 AM

and then there are those of us who think Jesus was a carpenter and maybe had a few nifty magic tricks, but that is all. Dont assume we allk think he was anything more.

Christ, there has been some pointless threads here, I know I have been part of most of them, but this one . . .

so wah mu

02-21-2009, 03:46 AM

I go fishing all the time. I think the animals feel the pain but I don't think they are emotional about it..
P.S. if a deer caused my mothers death, I and only I would eat that dear to avenge my mother

Doc Whiskey responded Exactly. Life moves on. You talk about Jesus, well, Jesus died for us, right?

Fish eat fish. Dogs eat dogs. Cats eat cats. Birds eat birds. Monkeys eat monkeys. Fish, dogs, cats, birds and monkeys eat fish, dogs, cats, birds and monkeys.

...if humans killed jesus, does that determine that the 12 desciples had a legitimate right to eating jesus if they ran out of fish stocks?

Finn

02-21-2009, 07:30 AM

Yeah, there are also animals eating other animals. Isn't that mighty unfair too?

Lonsome_Drifter

02-21-2009, 01:15 PM

All of these <i>things</i> should die. *Shudders*
Human-Face Fish indeed.
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Indy's brother

02-21-2009, 01:35 PM

Yeah, there are also animals eating other animals. Isn't that mighty unfair too?

It would be unfair, but animals have no souls. Therefore, they are held to a lower standard of morality than we are. Of course, if a fish has no soul, then why should we care? Either way:

http://www.idiocentrism.com/FishingCat%20XX.jpg

I think I have at least equal rights to an animal as dumb as a cat.

Nurhachi1991

02-21-2009, 02:01 PM

Technacly we eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus every Sunday at church so HA!

DocWhiskey

02-21-2009, 03:30 PM

Technacly we eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus every Sunday at church so HA!

Well, Jesus's whole plan was to turn us into cannibals.

Connery's Toupe

02-21-2009, 05:42 PM

Christ, there has been some pointless threads here, I know I have been part of most of them, but this one . . .

So pointless that you responded, eh?

I would have thought that an important guy like you would have better things to do.

Joe Brody

02-21-2009, 10:48 PM

I thought this was going to be another Praise Bacon type thread.

. . .and maybe it should be.

Mmmm Halibut.

Nurhachi1991

02-22-2009, 01:00 AM

Young Hearts beat free tonight............. Time is on your side

so wah mu

02-22-2009, 02:44 PM

Hoş Geldıniz?
:whip:

Connery's Toupe

02-22-2009, 02:48 PM

Hoş Geldıniz?
:whip:

I agree with you, so wah mu, it is completely unacceptable to eat anything with a head.

so wah mu

02-22-2009, 02:56 PM

So, Marcus Brodys statue ıs back on the menu then?

roundshort

02-23-2009, 02:23 PM

Yes, but the loving Lord could have at least stayed vegetarian. Thou shalt not kill.

Careful, do not assume that he is everyone's lord, as I do not recognize him as anything more than a carpenter that did magic tricks at weddings . . .

Connery's Toupe

02-23-2009, 02:30 PM

Careful, do not assume that he is everyone's lord, as I do not recognize him as anything more than a carpenter that did magic tricks at weddings . . .

So, I presume you'd hire him to make a new meat storage cupboard for you?

so wah mu

02-23-2009, 03:30 PM

The_Raiders

02-23-2009, 03:48 PM

...who's creek is it?

Just a random creek in the woods or whatever. I've done it before.... :p

Pale Horse

02-23-2009, 03:54 PM

So, I presume you'd hire him to make a new meat storage cupboard for you?

Bacon. Shorty likes Bacon. Kosher at that....

Lonsome_Drifter

02-23-2009, 04:02 PM

I really hate your off topic posts. :rolleyes:

Anyways, to get back on topic with the fish and animal thing. Anyone think it's wrong to eat little minnos out of a creek, jsut pick'em up and swollow them?

Nah, it's not wrong. When I was a kid, me and some friends would wade the creeks and catch crayfish and eat them. We would shoot birds with our BB-guns and roast them on our campfire.

Dr Bones

02-23-2009, 04:37 PM

Is eating a fish an infringement on it's right to exist?

Was Jesus being cruel when he ate fish, his Father's creation?

Does a cancer or virus eating away at a human from the inside feel remorse?

Will the worms that eat your corpse have twinges of guilt?

We are all just biological organisms...programmed to survive at the expense of anything edible that we can subdue.

Dawrin was misquoted...it was survival of the thickest. That's why magestic animals like tigers, pandas, polar bears etc are endangered, because they are too selective..to specialised and skilled in one area....whereas mindless generic creatures like flies, cockroaches and humans can consume and breed relentlessly....How many files and roaches do we humans kill every year.. a lot more than we kill polar bears.

Now... if he had chips with his fish, what about the poor potatoes...plucked from the soil, skinned and hacked up alive then fried in the fat of other organisms. YUM!!!!

Anyway just eat the fish. Morality is just a genetic glicth that came with intelligence.

Agent Crab

02-23-2009, 04:55 PM

Other animals do their buisness in the water as well. I think boiling the water kills the crap all in it, though.

Then again, people back then did drinkw ater out of the streams.

Rocket Surgeon

02-24-2009, 12:55 PM

Is eating a fish an infringement on it's right to exist?

No, "Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant." (Genesis 9:3)

Was Jesus being cruel when he ate fish, his Father's creation?

In fact, the forbidding of eating certain foods is an indication of people departing from the Christian faith.

"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer." (I Timothy 4:1-5)

It was probably more cruel to cast the net till it was spilling over with fish...unless of course theyhad enough people to feed.

What's cruel is medicating your pet monkey treating him like a person, bathing and sleeping with him and then stabbing him, calling the cops to shoot him. You'd think she'd have some kind of tranq...

Great name Toupe...

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