Adios, Satipo

[Kevin]

Suppose for a moment that Satipo had not betrayed Indy; he tossed Indy the whip, and they made it out safely together. Suddenly they are surrounded by Hovitos, and Belloq takes the idol. Does Indy still make a break for it, leaving Satipo for dead? There is no way a tubby guy like Satipo can keep up with Indy running, or outrun the very fit Hovitos warriors.

But even if we assume that he does make it to the plane, remember that there is only one extra seat. Does Indy take it, leaving poor loyal Satipo on riverbank to be killed?

I guess the point is that Satipo was a dead duck no matter what he did. By killing him off in the temple, we avoid having to see our hero leave an ally behind. But its interesting to think about how Indy would have handled the situation.

[Nurhachi1991]

I'm not that tubby...........



Indy would of grabbed him by the shirt and booked it and I guess Satipo would of sat on Indy's lap :dead:

[Gear]

And about the other, what, two guys with him in the same intro?

[phantom train]

This is completely irrelevant, but amusing: When I first saw "Raiders" years ago, in the scene when Indy saw the spiked Satipo (after he betrayed Indy), I thought Indy said "Adios, Stupido", not "Satipo".

[The Man]

Suppose for a moment that Satipo had not betrayed Indy; he tossed Indy the whip, and they made it out safely together. Suddenly they are surrounded by Hovitos, and Belloq takes the idol. Does Indy still make a break for it, leaving Satipo for dead? There is no way a tubby guy like Satipo can keep up with Indy running, or outrun the very fit Hovitos warriors.

But even if we assume that he does make it to the plane, remember that there is only one extra seat. Does Indy take it, leaving poor loyal Satipo on riverbank to be killed?

I guess the point is that Satipo was a dead duck no matter what he did. By killing him off in the temple, we avoid having to see our hero leave an ally behind. But its interesting to think about how Indy would have handled the situation.

Just be thankful he didn't stick around pointlessly for the entire movie...

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"He ain't with me. Shoot him..."

[Rocket Surgeon]

He would have made it to the river and pirannahs would have made a meal of him, or the hovitos would have caught up with him and made a couple of collectibles out of him, or the bolder would have made him into paste, (see the transcript Agent 5 made available!).

Indy would have pushed him into Belloq, caught the Idol ran off and Jock would have caught that fish...mmm

[Charlie Green]

Prehaps Sapito and Barrana (I think that is right) would not come with Indy on the plane, They were hired, How did they get there is the first place ? By horses?

Was the plane as Indys get away ?

[Stoo]

This is completely irrelevant, but amusing: When I first saw "Raiders" years ago, in the scene when Indy saw the spiked Satipo (after he betrayed Indy), I thought Indy said "Adios, Stupido", not "Satipo".Have you seen this epic thread?:p Satipo vs Sapito (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=7546&highlight=Sapito)

But even if we assume that he does make it to the plane, remember that there is only one extra seat. Does Indy take it, leaving poor loyal Satipo on riverbank to be killed?
Prehaps Sapito and Barrana (I think that is right) would not come with Indy on the plane, They were hired, How did they get there is the first place ? By horses?

Was the plane as Indys get away ?Hey, Kevin and Charlie. Here's some good discussion on that very subject. The Great Jock Escape... (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=13208&highlight=Barranca)

[Indy's brother]

I thought Indy said "Adios, Stupido", not "Satipo".

To me it sounds like "Adios, Labido."

Anyway, back to the topic. It makes you wonder why a guy like ROTLA Indy would enlist the help of a clumsy half-wit with a yellow streak a mile wide running down his back in the first place.

[Lonsome_Drifter]

To me it sounds like "Adios, Labido."

Anyway, back to the topic. It makes you wonder why a guy like ROTLA Indy would enlist the help of a clumsy half-wit with a yellow streak a mile wide running down his back in the first place.

Weak brains but a strong back.

[Nurhachi1991]

To me it sounds like "Adios, Labido."

Anyway, back to the topic. It makes you wonder why a guy like ROTLA Indy would enlist the help of a clumsy half-wit with a yellow streak a mile wide running down his back in the first place.


Because he got a discount on labor :p

[James]

It makes you wonder why a guy like ROTLA Indy would enlist the help of a clumsy half-wit with a yellow streak a mile wide running down his back in the first place.

It was to let the audience know that Indy is not the best judge of character- a trait that would re-appear more prominently in the sequels.

[Lonsome_Drifter]

It was to let the audience know that Indy is not the best judge of character- a trait that would re-appear more prominently in the sequels.

I must say that I disagree,
Satipo served no other use besides being a "pack-mule" to Indy. A strong back that could be used. Story-wise, Satipo served no other use besides showing the audience that nobody can betray Indy and live. It's just a fun scene to set the tone of the film. Satipo was never meant to mean nothing more than just a fun character to kill off.

That is all my opinion.

[Rocket Surgeon]

It makes you wonder why a guy like ROTLA Indy would enlist the help of a clumsy half-wit with a yellow streak a mile wide running down his back in the first place.

Well, if he had the other part of the map and he knew local labor to enlist, that would seem like a pretty good reason...

[James]

Satipo served no other use besides being a "pack-mule" to Indy.

In addition to being a disposable villain, Satipo stills serves the purpose of providing an insight into Indy's character. We see that he'll risk an uneasy alliance to achieve a goal, and he sometimes bets on the wrong team.

Now, I do agree that this may not have been a conscious decision on the filmmakers part, but it's still something that has often been noted about that opening sequence. When you consider that a lot of the backstory is delivered in a subtle manner, it wouldn't surprise me if Kasdan or Lucas realized it at some point as well.

[Indy's brother]

Well, if he had the other part of the map and he knew local labor to enlist, that would seem like a pretty good reason...


Sure, but why bring him along? That's the point I was making. Stupido brings no obvious skills to the table. He is only a hinderance, really. Sure he's carrying a pack, but Indy could've done that himself. I believe that there is no real reason for Sap-wit-o's presence aside from entertaining the audience.

I honestly think poor Saltpeter-o was doomed the minute he got out of bed. If he had stayed outside the cave, Indy would've seen two dart ridden corpses when he emerged with the idol. If Satchmo hadn't betrayed Indy and made it out in one piece, the Hovitos would have done him in on sight. Indy himself should have died rather quickly after handing over the idol to Belloq, but that would have made for a very short movie.

(obviously, I tired of agonizing over the Satipo/Sapito thing)

[Rocket Surgeon]

Sure, but why bring him along? That's the point I was making. Stupido brings no obvious skills to the table. He is only a hinderance, really. Sure he's carrying a pack, but Indy could've done that himself. I believe that there is no real reason for Sap-wit-o's presence aside from entertaining the audience.

I honestly think poor Saltpeter-o was doomed the minute he got out of bed. If he had stayed outside the cave, Indy would've seen two dart ridden corpses when he emerged with the idol. If Satchmo hadn't betrayed Indy and made it out in one piece, the Hovitos would have done him in on sight. Indy himself should have died rather quickly after handing over the idol to Belloq, but that would have made for a very short movie.

(obviously, I tired of agonizing over the Satipo/Sapito thing)


Why bring him along? I thought he was with holding his part of the map to insure a piece of the treasure...no? I'm sure Indy's first choice is not to have him around...and yea, he knows enogh about the Hovitos to be scared.

The RPG stuff (cannon or not) talks about the two of them running scams from "Machette Landing" I think the name of the shanty town was. But yes it seems he was initialy there to be a victim.

Like the Reggie Reggie Oxen Free stuff...

[Indy_Forever]

I did like how he betrayed indy, but how he got killed off was funny as he didnt have the brains to watch out. If i was him i would be embarrased:o

[arkfinder]

Satipo was a classic case of greed. He wanted the Idol for himself. So he got what he deserved.

[Nurhachi1991]

I feel sorry for Satipo Indy probally found him at home depot and paid him less to nothing to go on the trip with him. A man has to make a living so that's why he tried to steal the idol.

[Zealot]

To answer the OP, I always thought that Satipo was working for Belloq. So even if both Indy and Satipo managed to escape safe and sound out of the temple, Satipo would just join Belloq and Howitos, so no chance of him dying. Actually, in the videogame Lego Indiana Jones that's exactly what happens.

[Kevin]

To answer the OP, I always thought that Satipo was working for Belloq. So even if both Indy and Satipo managed to escape safe and sound out of the temple, Satipo would just join Belloq and Howitos, so no chance of him dying. Actually, in the videogame Lego Indiana Jones that's exactly what happens.

Interesting! This begs the question: what about Barranca? If Barranca was working for Belloq as well, then we can be pretty sure that Satipo would have met the same fate if he had made it out alive. On the other hand, if only Satipo was working for Belloq, then he was probably going to betray Barranca as well as Indy.