Idea for a snow-bound "Indy 5"

[Indy's brother]

It occurred to me a moment ago that, along with conflicting opinions on how far back the history of civilization goes, we also know very little about Antarctica. My first search led me to this (http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/16465_.html):

Lots of surprises may be hidden under the Antarctic ice and are waiting to be discovered by humans

The existence of the prehistoric civilization in Antarctica started drawing attention of professional historians after the World War II. The hypothesis can be proved by the medieval maps and research of the Western paleogeologists and glaciologists.

the head of the Istanbul National Museum Halil Edhem found an old map while revising the library of Byzantine emperors in the old sultans palace. The author of the map depicted the Western coast of Africa, the Southern coast of South America and the Northern coast of Antarctica. Halil was astonished. The ice edge of the Queen Maud Land south of 70th parallel was free of ice. The author mapped a mountain chain at this point. The name of the cartographer was well known to Edhem. It was the admiral of Ottoman Empire Fleet Piri Reis, who lived in the first half of the 16th century.

In 1949 the joint British-Swedish expedition conducted a thorough seismic exploration of the southernmost continent through the thick ice. The results coincided with the map of Reis. However, it was a mystery how the map data were to agree with the level of science of 1513.

Piri Reis himself explained on the margins of the map that the map was based on a lot of previous sources, some of which belonged to his contemporaries, while others could be dated with as early as the 4th century B.C. One of thу sources, for instance, belonged to Alexander the Great.

Medieval maps show Antarctica without ice cover or partly covered with ice. The accuracy of maps of the 16th century is incredible. In terms of the technical means their data can be compared with those of the end of the 18th century and sometimes with those of the 20th century.

A picture of Piri Reis' actual map, drawn on Gazzelle hide:

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1_a.jpg

The site that this photo comes from (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm) has a massive amount of imformation which corroborates it's legitimacy.

Of course, the obvious writing choice would be Atlantis. I think that the legendary Hall of Records (http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Hall_of_Records) would be a neat thing to be hidden under the ice of Antarctica.

Your thoughts?

[Morning Bell]

One of the things that I liked about the novel Indiana Jones and the Hollow Earth was the fact that we saw Indy head to the Arctic. It was a new situation for him and it had a very different feeling from the the others and I certainly wouldn't mind seeing this atmosphere represented in one of the films.

[Darth Vile]

I certainly like the idea of a snowy locale, and also a quest for Atlantis is an obvious choice (now KOTCS has taken us away from the more routine quest for religious artifacts).

The only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't want to see an Indy movie where the main locale was just snow and ice... simply because it gets quite bland, and fast. Perhaps 20/30 minutes in the snow/tundra would do before moving to a warmer climate. :)

[Morning Bell]

The only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't want to see an Indy movie where the main locale was just snow and ice... simply because it gets quite bland, and fast. Perhaps 20/30 minutes in the snow/tundra would do before moving to a warmer climate. :)

I like this idea quite a bit. Plus, we won't see much of the fedora and whip if Indy spends the whole film in sub-zero temperatures.:whip:

[arkfinder]

While Lucas liked different enviroments in Star Wars he seems to like Indy where it's hot. In all 4 films so far.

It would be interesting if he were to move Indy in colder climate. But, it would have to be for a good reason. Which I can't come up with one just yet. :hat:

[Lonsome_Drifter]

... he seems to like Indy where it's hot.


So, he likes Indy in the same room with my wife?

[Stoo]

The only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't want to see an Indy movie where the main locale was just snow and ice... simply because it gets quite bland, and fast. Perhaps 20/30 minutes in the snow/tundra would do before moving to a warmer climate. :)How about the LAST 30 mins.? Anyway, surprising to hear you say that, Darth.

Obviously, it’s a matter of preference but I think a snow environment holds enough potential to sustain the majority of the film (equal to the Egyptian and island portion of “Raiders”). Whether it “gets quite bland” or not all depends on how it’s handled. Apart from colour, or lack thereof, it isn’t that much different from a desert. Both are bleak but photographing either of them well can yield some stunning visuals.

As for perilous situations to be found with ice'n'snow, there are plenty of those so a cold locale could work well for a large chunk of a story. Of course, jungles & deserts are the mainstays of Indyland but a wintery climate would make a welcome, refreshing twist and is perhaps the most logical direction for the series should take to avoid retreading old ground.

Plus, we won't see much of the fedora and whip if Indy spends the whole film in sub-zero temperatures.There are plenty of places where he could have his hat and use his whip. Don't forget Nepal!:whip:
It wouldn’t necessarily have to always be 100% arctic conditions. Ex. Wyoming:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/IndySnow_01.jpg

We've seen Ford as Indy in the white stuff 3 times (and higher in the "expanded universe", most recently in “Tomb of the Gods” comic) but I’d definitely like to see more if there ever is a 5th. There have been a few discussions on snow adventures in the recent past and I've been wanting to start a thread called "Indy in the Snow" for a long time but this seems to be the perfect thread for any & all frosty-related-Indy-items.:eek:

[Darth Vile]

How about the LAST 30 mins.? Anyway, surprising to hear you say that, Darth.

Obviously, it’s a matter of preference but I think a snow environment holds enough potential to sustain the majority of the film (equal to the Egyptian and island portion of “Raiders”). Whether it “gets quite bland” or not all depends on how it’s handled. Apart from colour, or lack thereof, it isn’t that much different from a desert. Both are bleak but photographing either of them well can yield some stunning visuals.


Don't get me wrong... I think it's crucial that they try and work in as many varied locales and terrains as possible (if they do an Indy V that is)... and a snow bound one is certainly worthy of consideration (and one I'd like to see purely for the sake of being different).

Again, I’m thinking more of the practicalities/feasibility side of things rather than whether that environment would work on screen…
1) Would Spielberg/Lucas really consider going on location (for anything more than 2nd unit type stuff) to an environment that risked an unpleasant experience for the crew? I doubt it (no matter how good it could be on screen).
2) Would having a snow type environment mean that they’d potentially have to look to CGI to fully realize it? Is that something we’d be comfortable with on screen?
3) Could you actually stage something akin to the truck/tank and jungle chase on location in artic conditions? Is it practical to do?

So the practical side of me thinks that whilst you could get away with some 2nd unit shooting in a snowy/icy locale, principle on location shooting would be highly problematical... if you wanted on location set pieces akin to truck/tank/jungle chase that is (as opposed to sound stage).

[Stoo]

1) To be honest, I hadn't even considered that angle. Not being inside the filmakers' heads makes it hard to speculate how far their comfort zones would stretch but I agree that it's not likely (if the choice of shooting locations for "Skull" is any indicator).

2) Unboutedly. Even the original chase in "Raiders" had effects (even if only for 1 shot) so I have no problem with FX or CGI in Indy-action scenes. It's almost a requirement.:eek:

3) In our hypothetical film, Vic Armstrong should get back on board the team. He was 2nd unit director & stunt co-oridnator for a '79 film, "Bear Island". Have you ever seen this one? There is great, LONG scene with fan-powered sled boats in an arctic setting all done with practical stunts. As for the trickiness of using soundstages, it really boils down to what the story is. Remember, "Doom" is mainly interior sets with only a few scenes actually on location. I think it could be done.:)

Not the right time period for Indy 5 but I'd love to see him face-off against something like this:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/Airs_1.jpg

[Darth Vile]

2) Unboutedly. Even the original chase in "Raiders" had effects (even if only for 1 shot) so I have no problem with FX or CGI in Indy-action scenes. It's almost a requirement.:eek:


I don't really have an issue with effects in Indy movies (as long as there is some modicum of taste)... just seems that many didn't like the overuse of visual effects in KOTCS.


3) In our hypothetical film, Vic Armstrong should get back on board the team. He was 2nd unit director & stunt co-oridnator for a '79 film, "Bear Island". Have you ever seen this one? There is great, LONG scene with fan-powered sled boats in an arctic setting all done with practical stunts. As for the trickiness of using soundstages, it really boils down to what the story is. Remember, "Doom" is mainly interior sets with only a few scenes actually on location. I think it could be done.:)


Yep - seen 'Bear Island' and I know the bit you mean (and Vic Armstrong would have been great). Again, it's not that it couldn't be done for Indy V... but rather would they want to do it?


Not the right time period for Indy 5 but I'd love to see him face-off against something like this:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/Airs_1.jpg

With you there... Something like that would be great. :)

[Indy's brother]

With you there... Something like that would be great. :)

Google the words "nazi" and "Antarctica"...;) Myth and fact blend seamlessly everywhere! A subterranean nazi base, a haven for nazi subs, a British monitoring station, nazi ufo testing, and a secret nazi mission to the moon!

[Nurhachi1991]

It's been done Wyoming 1950 :p

[Morning Bell]

Having a temple or some lost city under the ice or inside a mountain could be pretty interesting and I think there's plenty of potential to have Indy in the snow part-time in a film.

[Moedred]

Oh heck yes... Siberian aero-sled chase!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/2096405019_a93a3f07a9_o.jpg
Many more here (http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/12/unique-soviet-snowmobiles.html).

[Indy's brother]

Seriously, Moedred...GREAT find. This one looks like a scene from an Indy flick by the way they set up the "shot":

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2276/2096405315_4f4e097583_o.jpg

Frickin' Awesome!!!

[Forbidden Eye]

I really love "Mystery of the Blues". To be honest, I wish they did make a snow-themed Indy movie as Indy 4 instead and had made KOTCS Indy 5.

Looking back, the biggest flaw of KOTCS wasn't anything about the movie itself, but rather the fact they waited too long. A lot of missed opportunities through the 90's-early 00's. They can obviously still do Indy 5, but you can't deny Ford is getting up there in age.

A damn shame they didn't make Indy movies more often and make Indy more Bond-like in the sense he's well-known to every generation and wasn't considered just a piece of 1980's nostalgia.

[Moedred]

Of course the bars which prevent riders from leaning back into the propeller may have to go. :)
So many possibilities with that axe...

[Indy's brother]

Of course the bars which prevent riders from leaning back into the propeller may have to go. :)
So many possibilities with that axe...

We are on the same wavelength with that. I was thinking the same thing!

[Stoo]

Seriously, Moedred...GREAT find. This one looks like a scene from an Indy flick by the way they set up the "shot":

Frickin' Awesome!!!WOW!:cool: Great images and, yes, thanks for the link, Moedred! That is a super webpage.
For those who haven't seen "Bear Island", here's some vintage TV ads & a clip of the beginning.
They don't really show the best of Vic Armstrong's fanboat chase (there is a cool shot in #2)
but should give you an idea. He's the man for the job. Bring him back for Indy 5!

Bear Island 1980 TV Trailer #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8URvmy27hU&feature=related)
Bear Island 1980 TV Trailer #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LAppdJzM4&feature=related)
Bear Island (1979) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkisa9h4H3o)

Of course the bars which prevent riders from leaning back into the propeller may have to go. I'm seeing red on white.:dead:

This portion of a fan-made trailer for "Fate of Atlantis" trailer has always fired my imagination:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/FateAtlantis_1.jpg

[Lon]

I agree. Something in the snow would be great for Indy. Bond has been in the snow several times so why not Indy?

And that is a great find Moedred! I'd love to see a movie, even if it's not Indy, with those in it.

Someone needs to send those images to Lucasfilm.

[The Stranger]

I really love "Mystery of the Blues". To be honest, I wish they did make a snow-themed Indy movie as Indy 4 instead and had made KOTCS Indy 5.

Looking back, the biggest flaw of KOTCS wasn't anything about the movie itself, but rather the fact they waited too long. A lot of missed opportunities through the 90's-early 00's. They can obviously still do Indy 5, but you can't deny Ford is getting up there in age.


I think a prequel could still be considered as a possibility. If the fifth film was set in 1954, for example, Indy wouldn't need to look any younger than what he actually looked in "Kingdom".

But if that was the case, Lucas would better hurry up the things 'cause Harrison is now nearing his 70s!! And the more time will pass, the more difficult will be for him to be convincing in the role of a fifty-something year old adventure hero...

Anyway, I would really love to see a snowy location, as long as it is impervious and spectacular!! But I also agree with Darth Vile, the film shouldn't be too centered on it. Just 20/30 minutes, at the beginning or climax of the movie.

On a side note, those snow-mobiles look REALLY intriguing... ;)

[James]

I think a prequel could still be considered as a possibility. If the fifth film was set in 1954, for example, Indy wouldn't need to look any younger than what he actually looked in "Kingdom".

It would be cool to see a repeat of the original trilogy's pattern: A darker sequel set in 1956, followed by a swansong set in 1959.

[The Stranger]

It would be cool to see a repeat of the original trilogy's pattern: A darker sequel set in 1956, followed by a swansong set in 1959.

I hear you!! It would be great!!!
And it would also turn up being a sort of tribute to the original saga!! :gun:

Shame is, possibilities of other TWO films being developed are sadly close to zero. :(

[Darth Vile]

I hear you!! It would be great!!!
And it would also turn up being a sort of tribute to the original saga!! :gun:

Shame is, possibilities of other TWO films being developed are sadly close to zero. :(

Although it breaks with tradition... What about 2 movies shot back to back i.e. 2 movies, 1 story (with a cliffhanger after the first part)?

[Indy's brother]

It would be cool to see a repeat of the original trilogy's pattern: A darker sequel set in 1956, followed by a swansong set in 1959.

+1!!!!

it breaks with tradition... What about 2 movies shot back to back i.e. 2 movies, 1 story (with a cliffhanger after the first part)?

Back the Future 2+3, Kill Bill 1+2? No thanks. If there is an example you can think of that didn't fall flat on it's face somewhere in the second flick, I could be persuaded, though.

GL and SP are such creatures of habit with the IJ franchise that I doubt they would shake up the format of one of these movies that much anyway. These movies are made in such a certain way, and each one is so obviously self-contained, that I don't think they'd stray from their formula this far into the series.

[James]

Although it breaks with tradition... What about 2 movies shot back to back i.e. 2 movies, 1 story (with a cliffhanger after the first part)?

I once thought this might be an interesting option for Indy 4, since I didn't expect them to still be considering a sequel afterwards. But even though Indy is famous for cliffhangers, I just don't think audiences enjoy them as an ending. When I saw The Matrix Reloaded, the audience actually cursed the screen as the "to be continued" appeared. :D

These movies are made in such a certain way, and each one is so obviously self-contained, that I don't think they'd stray from their formula this far into the series.

The other aspect is that each film essentially has its own unique flavor and style. I think you would lose that by trying to film two at once.

[Darth Vile]

+1!!!!



Back the Future 2+3, Kill Bill 1+2? No thanks. If there is an example you can think of that didn't fall flat on it's face somewhere in the second flick, I could be persuaded, though.

GL and SP are such creatures of habit with the IJ franchise that I doubt they would shake up the format of one of these movies that much anyway. These movies are made in such a certain way, and each one is so obviously self-contained, that I don't think they'd stray from their formula this far into the series.

Off the top of my head... 'The Lord of The Rings'. I actually like both the 'Back to the Future' movies and 'Kill Bill'... but that's just me. ;)

Anyways, not saying it would work or that they'd even do it... but it is a solution to get two other movies out in fairly quick succession.

I once thought this might be an interesting option for Indy 4, since I didn't expect them to still be considering a sequel afterwards. But even though Indy is famous for cliffhangers, I just don't think audiences enjoy them as an ending. When I saw The Matrix Reloaded, the audience actually cursed the screen as the "to be continued" appeared.

I know what you mean with the 'Matrix Reloaded'. That was annoying...

As far as back to back Indy's are concerned (I should have been more clear)... I wasn't necessarily thinking of a story split over 2 movies (without a conclusion in part 1) a la 'Matrix Reloaded', but rather each movie self contained with an underlying theme, with one adventure leading directly into the next (more akin to Star Wars).

[James]

Weren't the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels also shot simultaneously? This one reason why I initially thought it might be an option for Indy, since the practice has become more commonplace in recent years.

Anyways, not saying it would work or that they'd even do it... but it is a solution to get two other movies out in fairly quick succession.

I thought it would be a smart move on Ford's part, since they could film two, then release them over a period of 3-5 years. Or simply film a portion of one, much like Lucas did with the prequels. (Even though the latter was, I believe, just a few short scenes on Tatooine.)

But even though there's precedent for it, I don't really think it would ever happen. Still, if it were the only way for us to get two more Indiana Jones films starring Harrison Ford, I would absolutely be in favor of it. :whip:

[The Stranger]

Although it breaks with tradition... What about 2 movies shot back to back i.e. 2 movies, 1 story (with a cliffhanger after the first part)?

Uhm... nah, I would sincerely prefer two different stories, completely not linked from one another.

I'm still secretly hoping for a prequel to "Kingdom"!! And I would be ok with that. ;)

[Indy's brother]

I just read through this thread again, and Stoo, you are the man. I heavily agree with you on:

Obviously, it’s a matter of preference but I think a snow environment holds enough potential to sustain the majority of the film (equal to the Egyptian and island portion of “Raiders”). Whether it “gets quite bland” or not all depends on how it’s handled. Apart from colour, or lack thereof, it isn’t that much different from a desert. Both are bleak but photographing either of them well can yield some stunning visuals.

As for perilous situations to be found with ice'n'snow, there are plenty of those so a cold locale could work well for a large chunk of a story. Of course, jungles & deserts are the mainstays of Indyland but a wintery climate would make a welcome, refreshing twist and is perhaps the most logical direction for the series should take to avoid retreading old ground.

and

I'm seeing red on white.

I'm by and large very pleased with the direction this thread is going. Any and all input/ideas for snowy Indy are welcome here!

[James]

I'm still secretly hoping for a prequel to "Kingdom"!! And I would be ok with that. ;)

The great thing about the Indy series is that it really doesn't matter.

It could be a prequel- even as the 'final' entry in the franchise. Or it could be a sequel that finds Mutt and Marion featured as cameos- if at all. Or it could be a sequel has all three factoring in somehow.

The only cardinal rule- for me at least- is that Harrison Ford has to be wearing the fedora.

[Attila the Professor]

One thing that would help this happen is for somebody to start whispering "Doctor Zhivago" in Spielberg's ear.

[Darth Vile]

The great thing about the Indy series is that it really doesn't matter.

It could be a prequel- even as the 'final' entry in the franchise. Or it could be a sequel that finds Mutt and Marion featured as cameos- if at all. Or it could be a sequel has all three factoring in somehow.

The only cardinal rule- for me at least- is that Harrison Ford has to be wearing the fedora.

I think you are right in that it doesn't really matter with Indy, as his adventures are not that linear.

However, like KOTCS, one thing they can't do is avoid Ford's age. And for that reason, I believe that they will always need a younger second lead as a foil (a la Mutt), to ensure the movie can appeal to a wider audience. So it makes sense to me that, unless they want to bring in as yet unseen daughter/niece of Indy, Mutt is probably the best option... and therefore Indy V would probably be a straight follow on from KOTCS (for better of worse).

[James]

And for that reason, I believe that they will always need a younger second lead as a foil (a la Mutt), to ensure the movie can appeal to a wider audience.

It's an issue, but one that was probably more critical prior to KOTCS. Paramount began to cool on the idea of Indy 4 several years ago, especially as the old age jokes began to increase. However, they were reportedly very impressed with Ford's ability to carry the film at the box office, and the fears over Shia replacing him did not escape their attention. It's also becoming more common to see an aging actor headline a hit film (ie. Rocky Balboa; Die Hard 4; Gran Torino; Taken).

I suspect that Ford may have bought himself a few more years with KOTCS. Paramount is open to another Indy film, and I doubt they would balk if the cast ended up being comprised of actors over 30 or 40.

But even assuming they did want a younger face, it could always be a sidekick other than Mutt. I just don't believe any Indy film could ever be limited to the events of its predecessor. There's always a way to get Indy out of a bind. :D

[Darth Vile]

It's an issue, but one that was probably more critical prior to KOTCS. Paramount began to cool on the idea of Indy 4 several years ago, especially as the old age jokes began to increase. However, they were reportedly very impressed with Ford's ability to carry the film at the box office, and the fears over Shia replacing him did not escape their attention. It's also becoming more common to see an aging actor headline a hit film (ie. Rocky Balboa; Die Hard 4; Gran Torino; Taken).

I suspect that Ford may have bought himself a few more years with KOTCS. Paramount is open to another Indy film, and I doubt they would balk if the cast ended up being comprised of actors over 30 or 40.

But even assuming they did want a younger face, it could always be a sidekick other than Mutt. I just don't believe any Indy film could ever be limited to the events of its predecessor. There's always a way to get Indy out of a bind. :D

I agree that Ford will always be the main attraction of an Indy movie (assuming it’s not a re-boot). But I’m pretty sure some of the box office success of KOTCS was a direct result of pairing Ford with the "bright young thing", Shia. At this moment, I’d be willing to bet my home that Shia’s contribution to KOTCS, almost guarantees the inclusion of an under 25 year old leading character in an Indy V movie. Whether that’s Mutt or not, I’m not that fussed... It’s just that he was quite a good sidekick, and there is still plenty of untapped father & son banter/emotion left to be had. So why invent that particular wheel with someone else? :)

[Indy's brother]

Here's an absolutely insane idea for 5 & 6 that I cooked up today. Nazis have been done, and Russian Communists have been done. Problem, they're both great. Who else is there without the idea getting stale? Hmmm. Why not ramp it up a notch? Commies vs. post-war Nazis in Antarctica, with Indy caught between them both!! A small outpost that never needed to disband or surrender because their location was so well hidden. The commies find out about their presence while searching for one of the lost "Hall of Records". Some brutal hatred between these two countries during the war, you know. Anyway, we can let the nazis lose for good down by the south pole. The "Hall of Records" then yields the information on how to access "Even ha-Shetiyah." (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=17645&highlight=ha-Shetiyah), located a mile or two under the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

For Indy 6? Who would Indy fight after Nazis and Communists? His own government. That's right, you heard me. For his swan song, Indy has to battle a rogue faction of U.S. soldiers bent on harnessing the power of The Ark of The Covenant for their own evil purposes. Indy, rather than running, hiding and being chased himself, becomes the active pursuer! The rest of the movie viewing world would probably appreciate the Indyverse finding some bad guys within our own country. In the end, (and I know I've said this elsewhere), the ark destroys the bad guys, and Indy hides it himself to assure its' safety until God is ready for it to be found again and placed in the "Tribulation Temple". In doing so, our hero's true mission on earth as the ark's protector is revealed. The world weary adventurer is then consumed by the power of the ark and gloriously ascends into the next life.

[WilliamBoyd8]

Since KOTCS establishes that Indiana Jones can find space aliens,
he can join an arctic expedition which finds a flying saucer buried in the ice.

A saucer passenger is brought back to the settlement frozen in a block of ice.

Someone throws an electric blanket on the ice because he doesn't want to
look at the creature.

The blanket is still warm.

:)

[WillKill4Food]

For his swan song, Indy has to battle a rogue faction of U.S. soldiers bent on harnessing the power of The Ark of The Covenant for their own evil purposes.
Who says they have to be rogue?
Why couldn't Indy (in the 1960's) face off against the US Government, which wants to use the Ark to bring the war in Vietnam and Communism to a quick end (somewhat reminiscent of Dr. Manhatten in Watchmen)?

[Indy's brother]

Who says they have to be rogue?
Why couldn't Indy (in the 1960's) face off against the US Government, which wants to use the Ark to bring the war in Vietnam and Communism to a quick end (somewhat reminiscent of Dr. Manhatten in Watchmen)?

I say "rogue" just to give Indy the opportunity to maim and kill without appearing unpatriotic. There are plenty of american fans that wouldn't be able to reconcile their own feelings about this country and the sight of Indy harming U.S. soldiers. I just think it would be a way to side-step this obvious writing pitfall.

Besides, Watchmen is set in an alternative 1985, this gives the Watchmen story a little more leeway for creative license. Indy, however, is set in the real world, and in our past. Therefore Indy's actions towards his government have to be held to a somewhat higher standard--and not contradict our own history at the same time.

Moving on, how would you like to see Indy face off with one of these (http://uk.video.yahoo.com/watch/390924/2323587)!!! After all, natural disaster* type stuff has been a part of the Indy tradition: Whitewater rapids, flood (TOD), earthquakes (LC), Waterfalls, quicksand, *nuke* (KOTCS).

*[EDIT] which is to say "disaster", period.

[Indyfan4ever]

I say "rogue" just to give Indy the opportunity to maim and kill without appearing unpatriotic. There are plenty of american fans that wouldn't be able to reconcile their own feelings about this country and the sight of Indy harming U.S. soldiers.

Well it worked for Rambo in 'First Blood'. If we can just est. that these guys are EVIL, I don't think the audience would have a problem.

[WillKill4Food]

Well it worked for Rambo in 'First Blood'. If we can just est. that these guys are EVIL, I don't think the audience would have a problem.
Exactly. This is, after all, the 1960's we're talking about. The McCarthy-ist army officers in KotCS were shown in a bad light, and it would be rather easy for the army, or at least a few army leaders, to be shown as men who are so obsessed with defeating Communism that they succumb to evil.

[Indy's brother]

Well it worked for Rambo in 'First Blood'. If we can just est. that these guys are EVIL, I don't think the audience would have a problem.

at least a few army leaders, to be shown as men who are so obsessed with defeating Communism that they succumb to evil.

To say that these examples are not rogue factions of an otherwise benevolent government, but that they are isolated evil factions of an otherwise benevolent government is really just splitting hairs. I don't have a problem with an evil us govt enemy, I came up with the idea.

What do you guys think about the avalanche idea?

[WillKill4Food]

To say that these examples are not rogue factions of an otherwise benevolent government, but that they are isolated evil factions of an otherwise benevolent government is really just splitting hairs.
Yeah, I guess so. Sorry. :o
What do you guys think about the avalanche idea?
It's okay. I'm not a huge fan of it. I guess he could be snow-mobiling down the side of it to escape it while his enemies are covered by the crashing snow.

[Moedred]

What do you guys think about the avalanche idea?
I had one in my fanfic, a final bonus action scene... the forgotten champagne villain is cast out of Heaven (Eden) and falls back to Earth as a meteoroid causing the avalanche. An unlikely member of the team pulls Indy (who thought the adventure was over) behind an outcropping.

The only escapes that come to mind are outrun, ride, natural shelter, unnatural shelter (http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/q-branch/skijacket.php3). Maybe Spielberg's ball of life preservers from the Raiders transcripts... or he's buried, and following his whip tied to a makeshift buoy on the surface is the only way he knows which way is up... or behind a tree that creaks against the blast then snaps off right above Indy's head, whilst the villain who hid behind a large semicircular root system of a felled tree is crushed when the tree rights itself again, buried for good like a mafia victim under a sapling.

[Indy's brother]

or behind a tree that creaks against the blast then snaps off right above Indy's head... or he's buried, and following his whip tied to something on the surface is the only way he knows which way is up.

Those are both pretty cool ideas, Moe!

In regard to you edit:
or behind a tree that creaks against the blast then snaps off right above Indy's head, whilst the villain who hid behind a large semicircular root system of a felled tree is crushed when the tree rights itself again, buried for good like a mafia victim under a sapling.

That's also pretty decent, as long as it's not the main villain. That sort of death goes to a lackey, as it's kind of along the lines with the nazi who gets run over by the truck in ROTLA.

Me likey!!:up:

[Stoo]

"I don't know HOW I'm gonna get outta this one...":eek:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/AeroSledChase_1a.jpg

Made from the cool photo that Indy's Bro posted and a shot from "Mystery of the Blues" that's NOT IN "Mystery of the Blues".

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/AeroSledChase_Source-1.jpg

About a 15 min. drive from our summer cottage in Quebec is a small village named, Lost River, which doubled as Russia in the recent "Get Smart" movie. It's about time we had Indy in Canada, eh?:)

[Indy's brother]

Stoo, I wish cusswords didn't get censored, because I would love to tell you (in no uncertain terms) that pic is F*cking Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Stranger]

Well, that picture alone is more thrilling and adventurous than "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" in its entirety!!!! AMAZING JOB!!!

[Moedred]

There's a debunked urban legend that the AT-AT's from Star Wars were inspired by Port of Oakland shipping container cranes. Now I wonder if aerosan images were among the WWII footage studied by George's team in the 70's... that aerosan sure looks like the head of chicken walker (AT-ST).
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/zibredlektab/other/atst.jpg

[Stoo]

@Indy's Brother and The Stranger:
Thanks, guys! Too bad I couldn't get a sharper screencap of Indy, it would've looked even better. "Wish Threads" aren't usaully my thing but this one is my cup o' tea. Anwyay, I have another image cookin'...:)

Funny you mention the AT-AT reference, Moedred, because the metallic colours on Hoth are what I was going for and, yes, it does slightly resemble the scout walker. Even some of J.Johnston's production designs more than the finished product.

One thing that would help this happen is for somebody to start whispering "Doctor Zhivago" in Spielberg's ear.Yes, and I was thinking of Akira Kurosawa's "Dersu Uzala". 75% of the film is set on the bleakest snowscape imaginable yet every shot is a work of art.

This also brings to mind 2 Disney films with some Indy-esque, snow-bound action scenes:

In Search of the Castaways (based on Jules Verne's "Children of Captain Grant") has a zany, rollercoaster ride through a vast maze of ice caves and has similar vein to the raft sequence in "Doom". Many people bash that part but I like it.

Island at the Top of the World is an adventure film in every sense of the word and is highly recommended to any Indy fans. It has a dirigible, a lost community of Vikings and a whales' graveyard. One escape scene is well-suited for Indy and (without giving too much away) it involves the collapse of some gigantic, ice stalactites that provide a very, brief window of opportunity for the heroes. I love this flick. Check it out if you can...

[Indy's brother]

Thanks, guys! Too bad I couldn't get a sharper screencap of Indy, it would've looked even better.

You're very welcome, it's a feast for the eyes! The fuzzy-looking Indy may be kind of a drag, but it's still a treat. Keep 'em coming!

[Indyfan4ever]

Here is something I thought I would put together. I would love for a scene like this to happen in Indy V. So comment and tell me what think:gun:

-IndyFan4Ever

http://photos-c.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2756/206/25/728710487/n728710487_1680682_7615183.jpg

[Indy's brother]

Here is something I thought I would put together. I would love for a scene like this to happen in Indy V. So comment and tell me what think:gun:

-IndyFan4Ever

http://photos-c.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v2756/206/25/728710487/n728710487_1680682_7615183.jpg


I'm loving it! Indy needs to get back on a horse for the next film anyway...PERFECT!

[Morning Bell]

All of these picture are really encouraging and make me think that a snow-covered location, in some capacity, would be great in another Indy film.

[The Magic Rat]

Heh, I'm loving this...

[arkfinder]

Seriously, Moedred...GREAT find. This one looks like a scene from an Indy flick by the way they set up the "shot":

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2276/2096405315_4f4e097583_o.jpg

Frickin' Awesome!!!



That would work. Maybe Lucas & Co. could place Indy & Mutt in Russia during winter.

[Indy's brother]

That would work. Maybe Lucas & Co. could place Indy & Mutt in Russia during winter.


Indy 5 with russians should include Indy in a Soviet Military disguise!

[Stoo]

Here is something I thought I would put together. I would love for a scene like this to happen in Indy V. So comment and tell me what think:gun:Those aero-sleds look awfully familiar.:p

[arkfinder]

Indy 5 with russians should include Indy in a Soviet Military disguise!



Absolutly :gun: !

[Moedred]

Where Eagles Dare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Eagles_Dare)...
http://pics.livejournal.com/moedred/pic/0002gapf/s640x480

[QBComics]

Oh heck yes... Siberian aero-sled chase!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/2096405019_a93a3f07a9_o.jpg
Many more here (http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/12/unique-soviet-snowmobiles.html).

Ooooo, Now we're talking.

I would love to see Indiana Jones in the Arctic or something like that. Hollow Earth handled it well. Mystery of the Blues was great, and I would love to see the Tomb of Gods gear in film. :up:

[Stoo]

Where Eagles Dare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Eagles_Dare)...
http://pics.livejournal.com/moedred/pic/0002gapf/s640x480Great flick (and poster)!:up: They don't make 'em like this anymore. Visiting Hitler's "Eagle's Nest" near Berchtesgaden, made this movie come to mind...and snow-bound, cable-car thrills & spills are right on the money, Moedred!

Ooooo, Now we're talking.We're going to include an aero-sled scene in our fan-animated short.:)

[Hans]

awesome and thet would make a good movie.:cool:

[Col. Detritch]

Don't get me wrong... I think it's crucial that they try and work in as many varied locales and terrains as possible (if they do an Indy V that is)... and a snow bound one is certainly worthy of consideration (and one I'd like to see purely for the sake of being different).

Again, I’m thinking more of the practicalities/feasibility side of things rather than whether that environment would work on screen…
1) Would Spielberg/Lucas really consider going on location (for anything more than 2nd unit type stuff) to an environment that risked an unpleasant experience for the crew? I doubt it (no matter how good it could be on screen).
2) Would having a snow type environment mean that they’d potentially have to look to CGI to fully realize it? Is that something we’d be comfortable with on screen?
3) Could you actually stage something akin to the truck/tank and jungle chase on location in artic conditions? Is it practical to do?

So the practical side of me thinks that whilst you could get away with some 2nd unit shooting in a snowy/icy locale, principle on location shooting would be highly problematical... if you wanted on location set pieces akin to truck/tank/jungle chase that is (as opposed to sound stage).

If you want something equal to the truck chase/tank chase/jungle chase why not a snowblower? When I think of this, I think of 007 OHMSS, in the ski chase, one of the skiers fall into the blower and is shreded and bloody snow comes out of the vent. I thing it would be reminisent of the Tank chase. Indy could figh a 'Colonel' figure on top of the blower as it clears a path for the motorcade. At the end of the fight the officer falls into the shreder and bloody snow flies out; kinda like what the flying wing propeller did to the mechanic!:hat:

[Darth Vile]

If you want something equal to the truck chase/tank chase/jungle chase why not a snowblower? When I think of this, I think of 007 OHMSS, in the ski chase, one of the skiers fall into the blower and is shreded and bloody snow comes out of the vent. I thing it would be reminisent of the Tank chase. Indy could figh a 'Colonel' figure on top of the blower as it clears a path for the motorcade. At the end of the fight the officer falls into the shreder and bloody snow flies out; kinda like what the flying wing propeller did to the mechanic!:hat:

That would be good. :)

[Col. Detritch]

I was just thinking, if Indy was in Alaska, the Russians could be the enemies. This is one Idea I find appealing about it; Indy could be on the ice with someone with a clue or something when a large Soviet Nuclear Sub crashes up from under the ice. The Russian's hold him up and our villain steps out of the sub swarvly and forcefully takes the artifact with a villainous grin. Then Indy and the other person would be loaded onto the brink of the sub, captured!

Then it leaves the sub open as a set piece for the major climactic chase sequence. Indy and his partner would have to escape the sub while it has surfaced and maybe board a boat. I was thinking it could be on the icy cold water so there could be many boats in the water with the sub, firing on Indy on his boat, and on the isles of ice on either side of them snow mobiles firing. In an all-out action fest sending the traditional Indy chase sequence out for its last spin in style!:hat:

http://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/ryazan-ssbn.jpg

[Col. Detritch]

Sorry Moedred, the pic was a little big!:o
:hat: