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wolfgang
03-22-2009, 04:42 PM
If there's already a thread about this, let me know. But I want to know, who really needs Indy 5??? I know I don't. I DO NEEDED Indy 4!! I knew anything could happen and anything did happen and I loved it, and I was open for them to happen.
But I think four movies rounds it up! Four movies I love! Would I like a fifth one? Sure! Why not? Do I need one? No, four is good. I can't get enough Indy, but as far as needing another movie, I can get more Indy by watching the other fours! How do you feel about this?
Indy's brother
03-22-2009, 04:48 PM
The series doesn't necessarily need any one of the films after ROTLA in particular, as they all stand on their own. Another film? I think that a second trilogy would round things off nicely. That is what I consider to be my "realistic dream for the franchise". If it doesn't happen, well, it's not up to me. I'm happy we got Indy 4, but it did whet my appetite for more. The only thing that could stop them from doing it is Lucas, I think.
In short, yes, I need Indy 5 to fulfill my fantasy for 6 films.
The Man
03-22-2009, 04:54 PM
It would take a tsunami of positive buzz to get me excited for a fifth. I really don't care for Indiana Jones post 1989. Skull feels utterly irrelevant. A lack of Indy V neither cheers nor upsets me at this juncture...
Alas, who knows..?
wolfgang
03-22-2009, 05:03 PM
The series doesn't necessarily need any one of the films after ROTLA in particular, as they all stand on their own. Another film? I think that a second trilogy would round things off nicely. That is what I consider to be my "realistic dream for the franchise". If it doesn't happen, well, it's not up to me. I'm happy we got Indy 4, but it did whet my appetite for more. The only thing that could stop them from doing it is Lucas, I think.
In short, yes, I need Indy 5 to fulfill my fantasy for 6 films.
I totally disagree with you. I think that what might prevent a fifth one is not Lucas, but Spielberg. He seems to be the less excited to come back. But he did say that if the public wants another it'll be hard to say no, so I dunno. If there's a fifth one I'm totally against getting a new director or a new anything. But I think Lucas would be more up for it than Spielberg.
At this point I'd rather they just left the series be. Lucas and the gang didn't play their cards right with 'Indy IV' so as a result they over played their hand. Lucas abused the Star Wars trilogy and forever smeared it's glory. I fear that if he were to go on with Indiana Jones he would surely do it the same.
Violet Indy
03-22-2009, 07:35 PM
I don't feel a need for Indy V. Sure, I can understand why others might, in the [possibly] vain hope of having a better film to end on than KOTCS. I would have that same vain hope too if Indy V were officially announced, but I seriously don't think it will happen and nor do I need it.
However.... I do feel a need for another Young Indy TV series or a WW2 Indy series or an animated Indy series. A spinoff along that vein would be perfect for me. I seriously just want to see an Indy and Marion episode circa 1925-6!
I would even be happy with a James Bond like direction, so long as they keep decent continuity with the time line. Go ahead and disagree with me, that's just my opinion.
James
03-22-2009, 08:15 PM
I like the idea of the series yielding five movies- just as it was originally planned. I also think Ford's "old Indy" is far too interesting to be limited to one film.
One of the KOTCS promotional materials referred to Indy as an "Atomic Age Adventurer". Much like "old Indy", it's too good a concept to end at just one entry. A second trilogy would be ideal, but if nothing else, we definitely need at least one more.
DocWhiskey
03-22-2009, 08:58 PM
I like the idea of the series yielding five movies- just as it was originally planned. I also think Ford's "old Indy" is far too interesting to be limited to one film.
One of the KOTCS promotional materials referred to Indy as an "Atomic Age Adventurer". Much like "old Indy", it's too good a concept to end at just one entry. A second trilogy would be ideal, but if nothing else, we definitely need at least one more.
"Atomic Age Adventurer"
Wow. I'm in love with that phrase.
Personally, I don't see an Indy 5 happening. Indiana Jones 4 was wanted for years and we finally got it. I would love an Indy 5 and I HOPE it happens but I doubt it will. I'd love to see 2 more films to have a new trilogy like the SW films, but I think Ford's age may come into question. Then again Clint Eastwood was a badass in Gran Turino and Christopher Lee was menacing as Count Dooku so maybe age isn't a factor.
Indy's brother
03-22-2009, 09:49 PM
Whether or not Indy needs any more films is subjective, to be certain. Whether the answer comes from a fan or one of the creators. My opinion varies from humble to lording in matters such as this. But I'm feeling diplomatic.
For me, I could just let it go if given no alternative. But, since Lucas seems willing if he found an artifact that pleases him, Spielberg is more into it for a 5th than he was for a 4th, and Ford's only stipulation is a good script, I'm all for it! That the possibility even exists is enough for me to want it.
KOTCS would seem like less of an afterthought to the OT with the addition of more episodes. Indy 4 might not seem so lonely with more of the modern version/take on things, and more of the "aged" Indy to compare it to.
Also, my dream scenario involves bookending the Indy saga with the ark in the 6th, which I should probably stop posting about.
Again, as long as Lucas comes up with a macguffin, it should happen. And yes, I want it to happen.
James
03-22-2009, 09:59 PM
I think Ford's age may come into question. Then again Clint Eastwood was a badass in Gran Turino and Christopher Lee was menacing as Count Dooku so maybe age isn't a factor.
Not to mention, Leonard Nimoy returning as Spock.
KOTCS would seem like less of an afterthought to the OT with the addition of more episodes. Indy 4 might not seem so lonely with more of the modern version/take on things, and more of the "aged" Indy to compare it to.
I also think a 5th or 6th entry would result in KOTCS being re-evaluated. Instead of being judged as the series finale, it would be just another Indy adventure.
Indy's brother
03-22-2009, 10:18 PM
I also think a 5th or 6th entry would result in KOTCS being re-evaluated. Instead of being judged as the series finale, it would be just another Indy adventure.
I think you may have hit on something with the word "Finale". Indiana Jones is one of the most iconic characters in film history. His final adventure should be something equally iconic and mind-blowing. Did his discovery of a UFO fit that description? In my opinion, no. He's still alive, and thusly, can still physically go out and quest for something. Given this line of logic, the only way for the series to end...is with the end of Indy himself. This franchise begs for completion; Indy is just to damn interesting for us to forever wonder what became of him.
Many will disagree with me on this, and that's ok. But in the words of Agent Irina Spalko, "I want to know..."
DocWhiskey
03-22-2009, 10:37 PM
I think you may have hit on something with the word "Finale". Indiana Jones is one of the most iconic characters in film history. His final adventure should be something equally iconic and mind-blowing. Did his discovery of a UFO fit that description? In my opinion, no. He's still alive, and thusly, can still physically go out and quest for something. Given this line of logic, the only way for the series to end...is with the end of Indy himself. This franchise begs for completion; Indy is just to damn interesting for us to forever wonder what became of him.
Many will disagree with me on this, and that's ok. But in the words of Agent Irina Spalko, "I want to know..."
Wow. Killing off Indy to finish off the film anthology?
I'll be completely honest. I wouldn't mind seeing that. It's the only part of Indy's history that's wrapped in an enigma. And since Lucas and Spielberg do try to keep him in this reality, I'm pretty sure that in this year 2009 Indy is indeed dead. I'm sorry, but he shouldn't live to 110.
But having him die in his obvious final film? I'm split. I part of me would want to see it because not only is that angle sort of up my alley but I just would want to see how Lucas and Spielberg would actually go about doing it. And my god that would shock audiences.
But another part of me doesn't want to see that since KOTCS has him with a loving family now. It would just be too sad and too heartbreaking for an Indiana Jones film. Especially if it has the same mood of LC or KOTCS. Having Indy die on some adventure would just be offsetting. I understand he's older now and not the man he used to be but that would just be too strange. And giving Indy some bogus disease or something would also be just...stupid.
I just thought it would be fitting just for Indy to die by natural causes as an old man on his death bed surrounded by his family. But that's just me. (I'd also like to keep YIJC canon)
If they don't kill him in a further installment (which I'm split 50/50 on) I wouldn't mind Lucas and Spielberg collaborating and writing something canon about how he goes.
wolfgang
03-22-2009, 10:44 PM
I like the fact that the Indy movies are "stand alones". But it would be cool to ahve Marion and Mutt back. Or how about Mutt and Indy, and a love interest for Mutt (With Indy being THE MAIN CHARACTER of course.) Or how about if Indy was off on an adventure with another side-kick but we all know he has bcome a family man. But an adventure that has completely new characters and all that. Still, if we get Indy V it's probably be a continuation of the fourth. I'm up for anything really. But again, I don't need it. I feel we have a great four-movies series. We actually had a good three movies series. But I really really wanted a fourth and new adventure so so so bad!!!! And I got it and I loved it. Anything else to me is a bonus. Lets just hope it to be a ver very good bonus.:up:
Indy's brother
03-22-2009, 10:53 PM
And my god that would shock audiences.
Well, that's the point. If he were given a hero's death, and it was handled with the delicate, loving, and respectful touch of Steven Spielberg...there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house at the end. I'm talking the good kind of crying here.
Indy should go out with a bang. The fans should know that it's the end instead of being tortured with the possibility of a sequel for as long as Ford is still alive. Audiences should be shocked and be given something to think about and take home with them after the credits role for Indy's Finale. I honestly think that the fans who have kept Indiana Jones such a successful and lucrative franchise deserve to know his fate.
DocWhiskey
03-22-2009, 10:58 PM
^ Oh yes, I agree with you. Like I said, I'm torn on it actually happening, but I'm sure Spielberg would do an amazing job at showing Indy's fate. And that's the main reason I would want to see it, because I know it would be beautiful.
Indy's brother
03-22-2009, 11:10 PM
I'm sure Spielberg would do an amazing job at showing Indy's fate. And that's the main reason I would want to see it, because I know it would be beautiful.
(fist-bump) I agree. No matter how serious Steven has become about his choices as a film maker, Indy represents quite a bit of what he got into the career for in the first place--storytelling. As such, he has an affinity for this character. To put Indy to rest would be as much of a trial for him as it would be for us, the fans. Even more so, as he was a part in birthing the character.
Because of this, it would be beautiful (great word choice, btw), and I have every confidence that if GL and SP were to go that route, it would be executed (pardon the pun) with the utmost of care.
Violet Indy
03-23-2009, 12:24 AM
All this talk kind of reminds me of the Life and Death of Superman...:p
Robyn
03-23-2009, 06:58 AM
I need Indy 5!!! I think if they did everything right, Indy 5 could be just as perfect as Raiders,
wolfgang
03-23-2009, 06:47 PM
I like endings like the LC or KOCS. I gotta say I do NOT wanna see Indiana Jones' last breath. I dread it. I rather have a nice simple wedding or the sun setting, but not how he dies! How would I be able to watch the others knowing how he dies? On the plus side, if they do it right, I'll accept it.
Robyn
03-23-2009, 07:07 PM
I like endings like the LC or KOCS. I gotta say I do NOT wanna see Indiana Jones' last breath. I dread it. I rather have a nice simple wedding or the sun setting, but not how he dies! How would I be able to watch the others knowing how he dies? On the plus side, if they do it right, I'll accept it.
No way!!!!!!!!! That can't ever happen, there always has to be a happy Indy ending, Lucas and Spielberg would never do that to us!! If there's an Indy 5, it could be awesome!!:whip:
Morning Bell
03-23-2009, 07:26 PM
I don't NEED an Indy V but I would certainly be thrilled to get one and I would love to go through another new Indy experience.
At this point it seems unlikely; I'm just happy we finally got Indy IV.:)
caats
03-23-2009, 07:38 PM
of course i don't "need" it. i didn't "need" indyiv. but i want it. it'd be a shame they only got together for one more. they should either make another, or come out and say it's over. and if they make another, make it knowing this is the end.
Dewy9
03-23-2009, 08:08 PM
To rip off Creed from The Office (US): I've got four and now I only need one more.
jeshopk
03-24-2009, 02:42 AM
I just watched Indy 4, and I want Indy 5 right now! And no Koepp!
What the hell does Mutt mean when he says "Who cares?!" at the crying cave???
metalinvader
03-24-2009, 04:28 AM
What the hell does Mutt mean when he says "Who cares?!" at the crying cave???
Mutt meant,'Who cares' if they bring it back or not.Because at that point in the film Mutt just thought it was a hunk of dead rock*.
*Deleted line from the script and it's in the novel.
The Stranger
03-24-2009, 11:51 AM
I would personally say YES.
I need "Indiana Jones 5".
That's because I've waited number four since I was a child, I was hoping for it to end the saga with a BOOM. A positive boom, you know...
I remember reading the "Saucer Men from Mars" rumors when I was younger, and thinking something along the lines of "This is by far the WORST idea I've ever heard, it's not possible that they are really trying to merge Indiana Jones with the aliens. And what about giant ants?? A fridge and an atom bomb??? Oh, mine, it's just... embarassing..."
At that time, I was pretty sure "Saucer Men" was a stupid fan-made script of dubious artistic taste. I had NEVER imagined it was an official LucasFilm screenplay.
And then the years went by, and we got "Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", which as the matter of facts was just a sort of "Saucer Men" remix. It's not the aliens that killed the sense of adventure in that film. It was all the rest, and how it was handled, and how it was written.
So, now, YES, I do feel like I sort of need "Indy 5", to wash away the horrible taste that "Kingdom" left in my mouth...
Texas
03-24-2009, 03:01 PM
Yes I need Indy 5 too! Although I personally loved Indy 4, there is no denying that a significant amount of the Indy fanbase was left disappointed with the latest Indy film. The Indy franchise needs to end with a movie that unites instead of dividing the fanbase. In other words, Indy should end with a bang in the form of a dynamite Indy 5 film. Lets get to work Lucas and Spielberg while Harrison is still physically capable of being Indiana Jones!
caats
03-24-2009, 04:35 PM
i love that it does seem sorta likely. i mean, ford, spielberg, marshall and of course lucas have all said it's likely. in different ways though.
edit: why am i listening to raiders march while reading this thread, I WANT INDY V NOW DANGIT.
wolfgang
03-25-2009, 06:37 PM
I don't NEED an Indy V but I would certainly be thrilled to get one and I would love to go through another new Indy experience.
At this point it seems unlikely; I'm just happy we finally got Indy IV.:)
I totally agree. I feel like I truly had to sweat for Indy 4 and I'm happy with it, and I loved it. Indy V?! SURE! Why not? But I'm okay with four movies!
Goonie
03-26-2009, 03:45 AM
I need Indy V because I want more Hasbro figs and the 3.75" flying wing! :up:
AnnieJones
04-05-2009, 04:53 PM
Indy 5 would be a good idea as long as they don't do so many movies that Indy becomes overkill.But,like I always say,as long as Indy is in it I'll watch it! He is the king of adventure!
Nurhachi1991
04-05-2009, 06:12 PM
Indy 5 would be a good idea as long as they don't do so many movies that Indy becomes overkill.But,like I always say,as long as Indy is in it I'll watch it! He is the king of adventure!
How could another Indy movie be overkill? It's been 20 years and KOTCS came out it is a breath of fresh air really to see Indy and not another lame ass rip off movie like national treasure or the Mummy.
wolfgang
04-05-2009, 11:02 PM
Indy V won't ovrkill Indy. But I suggest they should live it there. No more than V. While I couldn't get enough with three, six could be overkilling it. Who knows, right? Its ust my opinion.
You know what I was thinking?? How about Indy 5 being an adventure with him and Sallah. Just them two. Maybe even Marion too, but without Mutt. I liked Mutt, but I like the idea of every Indy movie being stand-alones. If they bring bakc everyone from KoSC it'll be KoSC 2 and not Indy V. But It'll be cool for them to reunite, and I wouldn't mind Marion to return, but......a buddy adventure wit Indy and Sallah would be awesome!
Indyisreal
04-06-2009, 12:53 AM
Only reason why I need Indy 5 is to make up for the garbage Indy 4 was, if that is possible. Indy 4 really gave the series a black eye.
arkfinder
04-06-2009, 07:37 AM
Oh I most certainly need a 5th film.
The way I see it is KOCS really left an open door. Indy isn't done & Mutt is set to take the reins. I think we need to see that played out.
If there is to be a 6th film then they could have Mutt in the lead & Indy a secondary character. But, they (Lucas & Co.) need to show that transition.
You know what I was thinking?? How about Indy 5 being an adventure with him and Sallah. Just them two. Maybe even Marion too, but without Mutt. I liked Mutt, but I like the idea of every Indy movie being stand-alones. If they bring bakc everyone from KoSC it'll be KoSC 2 and not Indy V. But It'll be cool for them to reunite, and I wouldn't mind Marion to return, but......a buddy adventure wit Indy and Sallah would be awesome!If you "like the idea of every Indy movie being stand-alones" then why on earth would you want Sallah & Marion to return?:confused: Both of them have already appeared in 2 of 4 movies. If they were in a new film then it'll be RotLA 3 and not Indy V. ("Crusade" is RotLA 2).
Is Indy 5 needed? Yes, because we need to see that fateful sabre blow to the right side of Indy's face in Indy 6!:eek:
indyrcks
04-06-2009, 09:29 AM
I wish they would hurry up and get on with making Indy 5 do they not want to make another one or something:) :D
Indy's brother
04-06-2009, 01:20 PM
I need word on whether or not I should pine for an Indy 5... or not. Almost twenty years of being left to wonder was more than any fan should have to bear. The classy thing to to would be to let us know, instead of leaving us twisting in the wind over it.
wolfgang
04-06-2009, 07:21 PM
If you "like the idea of every Indy movie being stand-alones" then why on earth would you want Sallah & Marion to return?:confused: Both of them have already appeared in 2 of 4 movies. If they were in a new film then it'll be RotLA 3 and not Indy V. ("Crusade" is RotLA 2).
Is Indy 5 needed? Yes, because we need to see that fateful sabre blow to the right side of Indy's face in Indy 6!:eek:
I'm aware its kind of a paradox. But having Ind V to be a direct continuation of Indy IV is more probable than anything. And that's what I mean. I mean I want Indy V not to depend too much on Kingdom to be seen. And I thought that maybe the best way to do that is to bring ONE character form the trilogy to have an adventure with him. And by elimination, Sallah is the best one I think. Maybe a grown up Short Round....or maybe a whole new character!!
vf wing
04-06-2009, 09:49 PM
Bring it on, already!!!
sandiegojones
04-06-2009, 10:22 PM
If they don't do it soon then there isn't much chance of it happening. HF is already older than Connery was in LC. He's getting a bit too old for the series to continue.
If the rest of the cast was older, like say casting Clint Eastwood in a major role, then it could work well. Maybe they could go back to more of the series' western roots. Parts of Raiders and LC had kind of a western movie feel to them with the desert settings and the horse chases. That's something KOTCS lacked.
Maybe Indy could search for some Native American artifact (for part of the film). Monument Valley could be a great Indy location. It would be like the classic westerns of the 50's.
Indyfan4ever
04-06-2009, 10:35 PM
Sandiegojones, I think you are on to something!! A 50's Western isn't a bad idea at all... I would love that, and Eastwood would be an amazing edition to the Indy series!!
wolfgang
04-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Yeah, I like Sandiego's idea. Especially the Clint one. I could imagine him being the bad guy, with a fedora, and maybe even a whip! Imagine that!!! It would kick my @$$!:whip:
DocWhiskey
04-07-2009, 04:40 PM
If they don't do it soon then there isn't much chance of it happening. HF is already older than Connery was in LC. He's getting a bit too old for the series to continue.
If the rest of the cast was older, like say casting Clint Eastwood in a major role, then it could work well. Maybe they could go back to more of the series' western roots. Parts of Raiders and LC had kind of a western movie feel to them with the desert settings and the horse chases. That's something KOTCS lacked.
Maybe Indy could search for some Native American artifact (for part of the film). Monument Valley could be a great Indy location. It would be like the classic westerns of the 50's.
This most definitely could work. It may not have high octane action like the previous installments but if it has a damn good story and some cool booby traps it should be great. Indy's older, that's obvious, so having him in more "big" action would begin to be more unbelievable.
Could you imagine Indy and the villain in a quick draw? That would be great suspense! Which I believe suspense is something they should aim for in future installments.
wolfgang
04-07-2009, 05:47 PM
I would just like to see Indy whip the hell out of someone. Like first whip his face, then his hand, then whip his feet, pull and make him fall. It'll be cool to see him use two whips at the same time! Anyway, the draw idea is pretty cool. Kinda what he did with the Swordsman on Raiders.
sandiegojones
04-07-2009, 08:56 PM
I was thinking that the Lost Dutchman's mine could be a good story for an "American West" story.
Some Apache's claim their people were born inside Superstition Mountain in Arizona and that the "Thunder God" lives in a golden cave there still. Since Jacob Waltz (the Dutchman) claimed to have found the "mother lode" in the Superstition Wilderness over 100 years ago, several people have gone searching for the lost gold mine and have died mysterious deaths. Over 50 people have "died" and been found decapitated or never have been found. Some say the Indians protect the cave of their God and they are the ones who have killed these explorers. There are several other myths and legends surrounding the Superstition Mountains (hence their name).
This could make for an interesting old west story. It'd have natives, villains, "Gods" and lust for gold. It could still have booby traps and a supernatural ending once the lost mine is found. The villains likely wouldn't be from any government (like Russians or Nazi's), but perhaps Indy could get stuck with some evil outlaws or Indians?
AnnieJones
04-09-2009, 05:35 AM
How could another Indy movie be overkill? It's been 20 years and KOTCS came out it is a breath of fresh air really to see Indy and not another lame ass rip off movie like national treasure or the Mummy.
I'm sorry,that isn't the way I wanted to make it sound.I meant,I do want another Indy movie and soon.I can't wait another 19 or so years,again.
AnImaginaryBoy
04-10-2009, 07:19 AM
They should do Indy 5 and get Steven Moffatt to write the screenplay. That's my dream, at any rate!
IndyFan89
04-17-2009, 02:08 PM
I was thinking that the Lost Dutchman's mine could be a good story for an "American West" story.
Some Apache's claim their people were born inside Superstition Mountain in Arizona and that the "Thunder God" lives in a golden cave there still. Since Jacob Waltz (the Dutchman) claimed to have found the "mother lode" in the Superstition Wilderness over 100 years ago, several people have gone searching for the lost gold mine and have died mysterious deaths. Over 50 people have "died" and been found decapitated or never have been found. Some say the Indians protect the cave of their God and they are the ones who have killed these explorers. There are several other myths and legends surrounding the Superstition Mountains (hence their name).
This could make for an interesting old west story. It'd have natives, villains, "Gods" and lust for gold. It could still have booby traps and a supernatural ending once the lost mine is found. The villains likely wouldn't be from any government (like Russians or Nazi's), but perhaps Indy could get stuck with some evil outlaws or Indians?
Yea, I pass it everyday on the way to work I don't think I want to see it in Indy 5.
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