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col.dietrich
06-28-2009, 01:03 PM
which movie had the most action/adventure?

Perhilion
06-28-2009, 03:26 PM
I voted Raiders, but I think it's tied with Temple.

Crack that whip
06-28-2009, 03:34 PM
The answer may depend on what you mean by "adventure" ("action" is pretty obvious), but at any rate, given the way the poll is set up, I think The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles should win by a landslide. Simply by virtue of being not a single movie around two hours long but rather a TV show with dozens of episodes with a total running time multiple times longer than all four movies combined, there's a lot more action and adventure over the course of the overall series than there is in any one single movie, even if there are entire episodes with little or no action to speak of.

lao che & sons
06-28-2009, 03:40 PM
Temple of doom. Raiders was very close. But here are the action scenes for both movies.

Raiders:
Boulder scene
marions bar fight
cairo fight/chase
map room
well of souls
fight on the flying wing
car chase
ark opening
so thats 8 main action scenes

Temple:
Club Obi Wan
Shanghai Chase
Airplane Escape/riding down the mountains
Bedroom Fight
Temple sacrifice #1
Temple sacrifice#2 with willie
fight on the steam roller/short rounds fight
Mine Cart Chase
Battle on the bridge/running from the water
and thats 9 main action scenes

Temple had 9 and raiders had 8. I don't think it's fair to also add Young Indiana Jones because there were so many episodes so more action total.

Insomniac
06-28-2009, 03:49 PM
Temple had the most action!

lao che & sons
06-28-2009, 03:58 PM
Temple had the most action!

Thank you!!:up:

AndyLGR
06-28-2009, 05:12 PM
Temple had the most action!
Really? What puts Temple behind the other 2 movies in the original trilogy for me, is that there is a big lull in the pace in the movie from the airplane / dinghy scene all the way up to the Thuggee fight in the bedroom.

I always thought Raiders was the most action orientated of them.

jonesissparrow
06-28-2009, 05:13 PM
Then I think Last Crusade had the most adventure with Indy going across three countries for one item. I mean in Raiders he only went across two for the ark.

bennihana123
06-28-2009, 05:46 PM
I think Temple of Doom had the least. It have had more action sequences, but Raiders was better in quality and excitement.

oliverjones18
06-29-2009, 09:27 AM
Temple of Doom gets it because it freaked everyone out due to the masses of adventure and action.

Dovchenko15
06-29-2009, 10:27 AM
Temple of doom is the one!:gun:

Crack that whip
06-29-2009, 03:56 PM
Temple had 9 and raiders had 8. I don't think it's fair to also add Young Indiana Jones because there were so many episodes so more action total.

What's not fair about that?

If the question is about the frequency of the action sequences, or the percentage of screen time taken up, or perhaps the quality or intensity of the action sequences, then the answer would be different, but if it's purely about which had the most, then of course it makes sense that the TV show that's much, much longer than all the movies combined would have more. That doesn't mean the answer is wrong. Perhaps it means the show shouldn't have been included amongst the answers, but it's there, so it's a choice.

Cagefighterkip
06-29-2009, 04:19 PM
by terms of pure action sequences, id say RAIDERS, TEMPLE, CRYSTAL SKULL and then CRUSADE... i dont count YOUNG INDY (i like it, but cmon theres like a hundred eps)...:whip:

col.dietrich
06-29-2009, 07:26 PM
yeah, sorry that i included young indy

Morning Bell
06-29-2009, 10:29 PM
Every Indy film has had loads of action. In the end I voted for LC, simply because the film is basically one long chase sequence and there are a lot of smaller action sequences thrown in. I found ROTLA and LC to be the most fast-paced while TOD and KOTCS had some of the best action sequences.:gun:

lao che & sons
06-29-2009, 11:21 PM
temple can get boring between the airplane escape to the assasin fight but temple had the most thrills to Watching a heart being ripped out, Indy barley hanging on to a bridge plank which could easily break, And who didn't jump a little the first time they saw that thuggee cme out from the wall or pop up and surprise willie, while Indy was getting the stones. Temple had more a cult horror movie feal to it than the other movies the same feeling that was in the cemetery scene in KOTCS. So even if raiders had better quality and more memorrible action scenes temple had the most intense action scenes!!!:whip:

Violet Indy
06-30-2009, 01:37 AM
ToD I think has the most going on, with very little breathing space between scenes. Raiders and LC have great action sequences, however you can actually breather between scenes. KOTCS I felt was quite slow and sped up till the end. Young Indy does have more action in certain episodes than others (obviously any of the WW1 ep's would be a logical choice).

DocWhiskey
06-30-2009, 02:53 AM
Temple of Doom. It had over-the-top action and overall was the most comic bookish. That's why it's my favorite.:whip:

Gear
06-30-2009, 04:50 AM
The "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" were crap.

They developed on Indy's character way too much. I don't even consider the "Chronicles" canon. In good storytelling, you've gotta know how to play your cards.

That being out of my system, I think I must poll my vote for ToD.

Crack that whip
06-30-2009, 02:15 PM
The "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" were crap.

They developed on Indy's character way too much. I don't even consider the "Chronicles" canon. In good storytelling, you've gotta know how to play your cards.

Feh. In my opinion, The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles is the finest addition to the Indy canon since the original Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The show does indeed develop Indy's character substantially beyond what we're given in the movies; I don't see why that's automatically wrong. Yes, I do very much understand why a little mystery may sometimes be desirable, but when one's talking about the central character in an ongoing series of tales, I think there's a lot to be said for providing a richer, fuller characterization than the bare minimum required (something even the movies understand, BTW). The show develops the character in a way that enriches the subsequent (in internal chronology) character we see in the films; it enhances and complements them. It gives the character and all the stories told about him greater meaning and resonance. And there's good storytelling aplenty in the show.

Gear
06-30-2009, 05:45 PM
Mm. Fair enough, but personally, I thought it was over the top. Most of those episodes didn't parallel Indy's core character. He is a dynamic character, as we all really are, and that personality is expected to change through different life experiences. It's that to me the Chronicles show a boy scout whose evolution seems unnatural after the glimpse we see of, supposedly, the same kid in 1912.

And yeah, I know the Chronicles begin with him as a boy, but like I said, I don't consider YIJC canon.

Just my opinion.

Crack that whip
06-30-2009, 10:10 PM
Unnatural how? I don't see any problem in going from the Corey Carrier Indy to the River Phoenix one to the Sean Patrick Flanery one (and it should be remembered CC's episodes take place a couple years before the RF prologue, which itself takes place a few years before the SPF episodes).

To me, every aspect of Indy's character as seen in the movies is represented in the TV show - some of them there from the beginning, some of them developing over the course of the series as Indy matures, but all in a way consistent with what we see in the characterization in the movies. The shows themselves do intentionally have a very different tone and style from the movies, but not in a way I find inconsistent. I actually find it enhances the movies, in fact.

But different strokes for different folks, and all that.

Gear
06-30-2009, 11:26 PM
Unnatural how?




I worded myself poorly. By "unnatural" I meant that, from the little I've seen of YIJC-the ones from his teens on, I don't see the flared, reckless kid I met in Utah, but instead a very reserved, cliche boy scout type who I struggle to believe is Indiana Jones. But, again, we all change over time throughout our lives.


The more I think on it, the more I begin to think the reason I don't like the YIJC is because they're too hokey; the episode in Transylvania, Indy on the set of a film where he enacts the truck hijacking from Raiders and nearly drives off a cliff... It was just, what I see as, silly stuff like that when I say "over the top".

But, it's all only my opinion.

AlivePoet
06-30-2009, 11:58 PM
Although I think it's a close call between the three films of the trilogy, I voted for "Last Crusade", because next to the ark, it's the most engrossing quest Indy's gone on, which makes his adventuring that much more worthwhile. He also encounters the most range to challenge his character in his adventure: in addition to dealing with the baddies and avoiding traps of death, he deals with friendship, romance, betrayal on both counts, reconciliation, faith, forgiveness, and letting go. In that respect, I think LC's adventure is the most challenging and thought-provoking for Indy, and in the end gives us the most to go home with--not to mention, he rides off into the sunset promising even more adventure. Also in the film, there is arguably the most diversity in the locations that Indy visits to complete his quest.

While the action may not be as relentless as in "Temple of Doom", I think it ties "Raiders" in the category.

michael
07-01-2009, 08:10 AM
I voted Temple, but the truck chase in Raiders, is still the high watermark for action sequences.

From the time Indy fights the giant Thuggee till the British army arrives, Indy, Short Round & Willie can not find a break.

Giant Thuggee fight>rock crusher>voodoo doll>mine cart escape>thuggees in mine carts chasing them>wrong tunnel>a jump on the tracks>brakes break>water>edge of cliff>short round almost falls through bridge>indy runs into 2 thuggees>no gun>a whole bunch of thuggees chase Indy>surrounded on bridge>only choice is to cut bridge>fight Mola Ram>avoid getting heart ripped out>avoid arrows being shot at him.

Amazing. The last half of Temple of Doom can't be touched.

AndyLGR
07-01-2009, 12:39 PM
temple can get boring between the airplane escape to the assasin fight but temple had the most thrills to Watching a heart being ripped out, Indy barley hanging on to a bridge plank which could easily break, And who didn't jump a little the first time they saw that thuggee cme out from the wall or pop up and surprise willie, while Indy was getting the stones. Temple had more a cult horror movie feal to it than the other movies the same feeling that was in the cemetery scene in KOTCS. So even if raiders had better quality and more memorrible action scenes temple had the most intense action scenes!!!:whip:
I also think that Temple suffers (for my viewing anyway) because it seems so confined in its settings. Raiders and Last Crusade seemed more sweeping in the scope of them and I still think they have more in action in them than TOD.

Rocket Surgeon
07-01-2009, 12:55 PM
Ah, a Temple thread for Temple lovers!

Unfortunately you added /adventure to your question...and Raiders held ALL the cards in comparison. Temple's adventure ended when they decided to go to Pancot. It was on rails from there. The pacing was all off as a result the action was linked, one souless empty set piece after another.

Raiders action was framed by the adventure, Temple's action led to adventure then led to the action. There was no spirit other then the cartoonish surprise that we were supposed to accept jumping mine carts.

I won't go on with the absurdity...suffice to say the Action was equal, but distributed differently and crazy absurd in Temple.The adventure was greater in Raiders, in part because of the places it took you, (off the rails). Temple went someplace and stayed there.

ADVANTAGE: Raiders.


Dang you Andy...you posted BEFORE I did!

michael
07-01-2009, 01:17 PM
Temple's action led to adventure then led to the action. There was no spirit other then the cartoonish surprise that we were supposed to accept jumping mine carts.

But you can accept ghosts coming out of an Ark, melting off heads, and shooting rays of lighting through people, yet a mine cart, going a certain speed, hitting a certain incline can't make a certain distance? In reality, the mine cart jump actually has a better chance to happen, wouldn't you think?

I am in no way putting down the opening of the ark (one of the best moments in ANY movie, ever), but I think you're adjusting "what can happen" in an Indy movie based on your opinion of the actual movie.

Rocket Surgeon
07-01-2009, 01:42 PM
But you can accept ghosts coming out of an Ark, melting off heads, and shooting rays of lighting through people, yet a mine cart, going a certain speed, hitting a certain incline can't make a certain distance? In reality, the mine cart jump actually has a better chance to happen, wouldn't you think?

I am in no way putting down the opening of the ark (one of the best moments in ANY movie, ever), but I think you're adjusting "what can happen" in an Indy movie based on your opinion of the actual movie.

What I propose is the quantifying and framing of the action and adventure.

What you are comparing is the supernatural finale of a bare knuckle adventure more firmly rooted in believability then it's cartoon sequel/prequel's force fed, lack luster, void filling, souless stunts.

In Raiders, the exploding truck illicited more feeling because you felt Marion was in there...and now dead. The mine cart jump was a goof as was Shorty beating up men...I could continue, there was no emotional investment. It was gratuitous, empty...simply fun to scoff at.

No, I believe the prop Ark would be able to shoot lightning before that mine car could complete that jump. That's how crazy it was!;)

I like Temple, I'm just not making into something it's not.

sgttom
07-01-2009, 02:30 PM
But you can accept ghosts coming out of an Ark, melting off heads, and shooting rays of lighting through people, yet a mine cart, going a certain speed, hitting a certain incline can't make a certain distance? In reality, the mine cart jump actually has a better chance to happen, wouldn't you think?

I am in no way putting down the opening of the ark (one of the best moments in ANY movie, ever), but I think you're adjusting "what can happen" in an Indy movie based on your opinion of the actual movie.

I think the difference here is the Ark is a supernatural artifact but the mine cart isn't a supernatural mine cart, or is it:D

kongisking
07-01-2009, 03:05 PM
You're all joking, right? TOD is pure-blooded, unrestrained, sh!!!t-yourself-with-adrenaline badassery! Never again will there be a movie so loaded with excitement and heart-stopping thrills AND manages to create an actual plot with actual characters that we actually care about.

In my mind, an action scene is only as exciting as the participants. If you care about them, it makes the danger a million times more intense, because you don't want them to get hurt!!! The Lord of the Rings, Peter Jackson's King Kong, the Hellboy flicks and J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series all know this, and suceed in giving us protagonists (and even antagonists!) that we root for and pray that they will emerge victorious.

TEMPLE OF DOOM OWNS ALL YOU BASTURDS AND YOU KNOW IT! BOO-YAH!!!! :up: :cool: :o

And no, I'm not high...just oozing with love for TOD and KOTCS, the two coolest films of the Indy franchise precisely because they have the balls to break the mold, take a chance and try something different, instead of cloning their predecessors (this was LC's mistake; yes, it's an awesome film on its own terms, but you gotta admit the movie is akin to a teenager's garage band doing a slightly quirked-up variant of Godsmack). Yay for unique-ness, and nay for 'been there, done that'-ness!!!

kongisking
07-01-2009, 03:12 PM
I think the difference here is the Ark is a supernatural artifact but the mine cart isn't a supernatural mine cart, or is it:D

Well, yeah, 'cause how else were they moving so fast on their own? (yeah, yeah, you can argue that the Indy Ultimate Guide's illustration shows the mine rails move downward, but still...:) )

Rocket Surgeon
07-01-2009, 03:28 PM
TOD is pure-blooded, unrestrained, sh!!!t-yourself-with-adrenaline badassery!BOO-YAH!!!!

Exactly! ...and nothing more!

michael
07-01-2009, 03:51 PM
What I propose is the quantifying and framing of the action and adventure.
They have the right amount of action & adventure for their given set pieces and story lines. I just thought the end of Temple was more of a roller coaster of non-stop action.

What you are comparing is the supernatural finale of a bare knuckle adventure more firmly rooted in believability then it's cartoon sequel/prequel's
No, what I meant, is that when you can accept the ending of Raiders, doesn't that mean you have accepted the world that Dr. Jones is in. You should expect the unexpected. And I think the jumping of the mine cart fits into the serials style perfectly.

force fed, lack luster, void filling
Now that's just ridiculous, especially saying it was lack luster. It just wasn't "Raiders 2." When you set the bar so high, like Raiders did, you gotta mix it up, no?

souless stunts.
Didn't know stunts had anything to do with the overall quality of the final picture. Ford did get injured during filming. I'd say there is some soul in that.:) But if you want them to ride a mine cart for real and cut a bridge for real, or jump out of an airplane for real, well, I don't think you're gonna have many takers. It's just the substance wasn't there for these "jaw dropping" stunts that would make this movie any better for you.

In Raiders, the exploding truck illicited more feeling because you felt Marion was in there...and now dead. The mine cart jump was a goof as was Shorty beating up men...I could continue, there was no emotional investment. It was gratuitous, empty...simply fun to scoff at.
This really has nothing to do with what I said, or the thread topic. Just something you wanted to get off your chest. Raiders is a better picture, I WILL NOT ARGUE THAT. It's perfect because it has the right amount of everything! But I think there is plenty of emotional investment you speak of, in Temple. The Shaman's speech about the children being taken is surely enough to get you emotionally invested. And there are touching moments like Indy and Short Round's relationship (the exchanging of the hats with the music being played is terrific and you know it) and of course the return to the village. It gives the movie heart. (no pun intended) As for Short Round, well he has been living on the streets since he was 4, he can handle himself.

No, I believe the prop Ark would be able to shoot lightning before that mine car could complete that jump. That's how crazy it was!;)
I don't doubt that it could happen. But you said that we had to accept that it jumped, when in fact it's such a minor part in just a whole big action sequence, that was forgettable as soon as they were running from the water! The over-the-top action is atleast consistent. And I think that is what helps it. You just go with it.

I like Temple, I'm just not making into something it's not.
Raiders is the better movie, but Temple is my favorite. Now maybe if I saw Raiders back then and then saw Temple, I would be more apt to put it down for everything Raiders isn't, maybe I'd have a different opinion. I like to think of Temple of Doom as a story we might have heard about Indy talking about---turned into a movie, just another day in the life of Indiana Jones.

Rocket Surgeon
07-01-2009, 04:20 PM
They have the right amount of action & adventure for their given set pieces and story lines. Well we disagree!
No, what I meant, is that when you can accept the ending of Raiders, doesn't that mean you have accepted the world that Dr. Jones is in. You should expect the unexpected. And I think the jumping of the mine cart fits into the serials style perfectly. I think the earlier post by sgttom hits the nail on the head. I think you can expect supernatural objects to act supernatural, but to EXPECT the laws of physics to be abandoned is a Temple convention, and a cartoony departure.

Now that's just ridiculous, especially saying it was lack luster. It just wasn't "Raiders 2." When you set the bar so high, like Raiders did, you gotta mix it up, no?

I feel that all the other movies suffered from lack of story development, and in place of story they were all tricked out and gimmicky. Mix it up sure, but to say they set out to make Temple what it is is a misnomer. To market the movie, they put the best monday morning quarterback spin on it. I like the movie, some of te characters but it had no heart, just gimmicks..and throwing a kid into the mix was a gimmick, (and a crappy TV gimmick too!).

Didn't know stunts had anything to do with the overall quality of the final picture. Point isTemple had stunt after stunt, there for the formula, like a Tom and Jerry cartoon, (and THAT's being generous!). The stunts in Raiders meant, just a little bit more because you cared, and grew OUT of the story, they weren't a SUBSTITUTE FOR story.

Ford did get injured during filming. I'd say there is some soul in that.:) That's not what gives the stunt meaning...or a soul. See above.


But if you want them to ride a mine cart for real and cut a bridge for real, or jump out of an airplane for real, well, I don't think you're gonna have many takers. It's just the substance wasn't there for these "jaw dropping" stunts that would make this movie any better for you.Don't willfully misconstrue me...I liked the film, just like I enjoy Tom and Jerry or the A-Team...but it didn't hit on all the cylinders. The stunts didn't have the impact...much like Crystal Skull. When a truckload of Soviet Special Forces with automatic weapons can't hit Mutt or Mac or Marion or ANYTHING, it's time to reconsider the scene!

This really has nothing to do with what I said, or the thread topic. Just something you wanted to get off your chest. Raiders is a better picture, I WILL NOT ARGUE THAT. It's perfect because it has the right amount of everything! But I think there is plenty of emotional investment you speak of, in Temple. The Shaman's speech about the children being taken is surely enough to get you emotionally invested. And there are touching moments like Indy and Short Round's relationship (the exchanging of the hats with the music being played is terrific and you know it) and of course the return to the village. It gives the movie heart. (no pun intended) As for Short Round, well he has been living on the streets since he was 4, he can handle himself.

I was qualifying the TYPE of action from the films, so it does have something do with the thread. However much I like Shorty, he was still a gimmick, and however much he can handle himself he CAN'T beat up a grown man muchless five of them.


I don't doubt that it could happen. But you said that we had to accept that it jumped, when in fact it's such a minor part in just a whole big action sequence, that was forgettable as soon as they were running from the water! The over-the-top action is atleast consistent. And I think that is what helps it. You just go with it.

I agree...totally forgetable, inconsequential, wouldn't have mattered if itwas in the movie or not...but it was.

Raiders is the better movie, but Temple is my favorite. Now maybe if I saw Raiders back then and then saw Temple, I would be more apt to put it down for everything Raiders isn't, maybe I'd have a different opinion. I like to think of Temple of Doom as a story we might have heard about Indy talking about---turned into a movie, just another day in the life of Indiana Jones.

If they had given Temple story the love it deserved it could have been better.

AndyLGR
07-01-2009, 04:26 PM
Dang you Andy...you posted BEFORE I did!
I just said it in about 2000 words less than you did :D

As crazy as it may sound, the action and adventure seems more believable in Raiders to me. Raiders action and story I think is more relentless and edge of your seat and takes you on a long journey. Part of the adventure is not only how many fights Indy gets in but also the locations and the whole journey Indy goes on. Raiders has this in adundance.

TOD tries to be a different movie, which is a good thing, but I think its lack of adventure is its big weak point. Also, as many sequels tend to do, many scenes almost becomes a parody of the original.

I think that the lack of a strong macguffin doesnt help the adventure aspect of TOD either.

For me KOTCS has the same problem too. Not even scope to the story and not enough to keep you interested in the skull.

michael
07-01-2009, 07:25 PM
I think the earlier post by sgttom hits the nail on the head. I think you can expect supernatural objects to act supernatural, but to EXPECT the laws of physics to be abandoned is a Temple convention, and a cartoony departure.
I agree about the supernatural objects, but I still don't think the mine cart jump is breaking the laws of physics, highly unlikely?, sure. But Indiana Jones has always had luck on his side.

I feel that all the other movies suffered from lack of story development, and in place of story they were all tricked out and gimmicky. Mix it up sure, but to say they set out to make Temple what it is is a misnomer. To market the movie, they put the best monday morning quarterback spin on it. I like the movie, some of te characters but it had no heart, just gimmicks..and throwing a kid into the mix was a gimmick, (and a crappy TV gimmick too!).
I'll just say I disagree.

Point isTemple had stunt after stunt, there for the formula, like a Tom and Jerry cartoon, (and THAT's being generous!). The stunts in Raiders meant, just a little bit more because you cared, and grew OUT of the story, they weren't a SUBSTITUTE FOR story.
But after Short Round saves Indy and they get Willie, and they are about to save the children. Isn't from there on out, a given that it's going to be a frantic escape? I mean it is called Temple of Doom, nobody said it was gonna be easy. It seems to me they took the right steps in determining the action sequences/stunts to get out of the place!

That's not what gives the stunt meaning...or a soul. See above.
Misunderstood, that's all.:)

Don't willfully misconstrue me...I liked the film, just like I enjoy Tom and Jerry or the A-Team...but it didn't hit on all the cylinders. The stunts didn't have the impact...much like Crystal Skull. When a truckload of Soviet Special Forces with automatic weapons can't hit Mutt or Mac or Marion or ANYTHING, it's time to reconsider the scene!
I'm not sure I understand you, and the "impact" I mean, just read the thread and check out the poll, the last half is a slam-bam action ride, and THAT'S HOW IT NEEDED TO BE. It was all about getting the eff outta there. The storyline was essentially over.

Another thing, people will be lucky if they ever get a movie, with the action the last 45 minutes holds again, with the way Hollywood is now.

I was qualifying the TYPE of action from the films, so it does have something do with the thread. However much I like Shorty, he was still a gimmick, and however much he can handle himself he CAN'T beat up a grown man muchless five of them.
Probably the toughest to defend:hat: but I still think by the time he's fighting those guys, you know enough about him and his perseverance that he would atleast have a chance to escape, maybe not beat them up.

I agree...totally forgetable, inconsequential, wouldn't have mattered if itwas in the movie or not...but it was.
Again, still plausible.

If they had given Temple story the love it deserved it could have been better.
Well I love it.

Indy Scout 117
07-01-2009, 09:29 PM
Raiders is my favorite, and i think it had the most action/adventure, but the others are good too, dont get me wrong. Temple is next, i'd have to say.

Dr.Jonesy
07-02-2009, 12:06 AM
In terms of action- ROTLA
In terms of adventure- LC

:whip:

LC had the most spread out locations. ROTLA had the most action scenes.....


Oh hell, my opinion on this changes every hour! I really don't know!
:p

Rocket Surgeon
07-02-2009, 09:32 AM
I agree about the supernatural objects, but I still don't think the mine cart jump is breaking the laws of physics, highly unlikely?, sure. Again, still plausible.Well I love it.

Well I think you need to check it out again! Entertaining? Yes. Plausible? Not as filmed!

I like the film very much...but it didn't have the most adventure. Maybe Crusade did.

Nah! Raiders was full tilt in every direction!

That mine cart came straight froom Toon Town!;) :up:

michael
07-02-2009, 09:36 AM
Well I think you need to check it out again! Entertaining? Yes. Plausible? Not as filmed!

I like the film very much...but it didn't have the most adventure. Maybe Crusade did.

Nah! Raiders was full tilt in every direction!

That mine cart came straight froom Toon Town!;) :up:
I know it doesn't have the most adventure. But arguably the most action.

Rocket Surgeon
07-02-2009, 09:37 AM
I know it doesn't have the most adventure. But arguably the most action.

Definitely arguable!;) :up:

Hans
07-10-2009, 11:48 AM
temple has the most action:cool:

yodazone
07-10-2009, 01:48 PM
I vote "Temple of Doom" as the most with action/adventure. "Crusade" had the slowest action out of all of them and "KOTS" ranks third.

"Temple" has the best action soundtrack too.

:gun:

col.dietrich
07-25-2009, 11:15 AM
sorry i included young indy in the poll

Professor Jones
07-25-2009, 01:07 PM
Temple of doom. Raiders was very close. But here are the action scenes for both movies.

Raiders:
Boulder scene
marions bar fight
cairo fight/chase
map room
well of souls
fight on the flying wing
car chase
ark opening
so thats 8 main action scenes

Temple:
Club Obi Wan
Shanghai Chase
Airplane Escape/riding down the mountains
Bedroom Fight
Temple sacrifice #1
Temple sacrifice#2 with willie
fight on the steam roller/short rounds fight
Mine Cart Chase
Battle on the bridge/running from the water
and thats 9 main action scenes

Temple had 9 and raiders had 8.

And Crusade? Many have said that Crusade has more adventure than action, but let's have a look...

- Utah 1912
- Portoguese coast
- Ah Rats!
- Escape from Venice
- Nazi Castle (Freeing H. Jones Sr./The Floor's on Fire)
- Motorcycle chase
- Zeppelin fight with Vogel and plane escape
- Car chase and the Birds of Charlemagne
- Belly of the steel beast
- Penitent Man and the other trials (and the escape from the temple)

So I count 10 sequences... I wouldn't be so sure that Crusade has more action, but I certainly agree that's the movie that have got more adventure, IMHO. Maybe the mistake with giving to TOD the first place in action is that it has ONLY action and less story and adventure...

So I vote Crusade.

Rocket Surgeon
07-25-2009, 01:14 PM
You know your attempt was pretty feeble...

Temple of doom. Raiders was very close. But here are the action scenes for both movies.

Raiders:
Boulder scene

Temple:
Club Obi Wan
Shanghai Chase
Airplane Escape/riding down the mountain

Alright, nice try short changing Raiders!
You count the boulder scene as the ONLY one in the prologue yet you can count to three for Temple. Puh-Lease!

Try:
Temple collapse/dash through the darts
Boulder
Escape from natives/catch the seaplane

I don't have the time for this right now...but I'll be back!

deckard24
07-25-2009, 05:45 PM
Temple without a doubt!

And why is The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles even a choice? It says which movie had the most action/adventure.

Professor Jones
07-25-2009, 05:56 PM
You know your attempt was pretty feeble...



Alright, nice try short changing Raiders!
You count the boulder scene as the ONLY one in the prologue yet you can count to three for Temple. Puh-Lease!

Try:
Temple collapse/dash through the darts
Boulder
Escape from natives/catch the seaplane

I don't have the time for this right now...but I'll be back!

Perfectly agree!!!

And let me add that I made a similar list for Crusade just for provocation.

Of course, following Lao Che method, one could split and moltiplicate each sequence of action!

For instance Utah 12 would split in "Indy steals the cross of coronado" and "escape on the train"...

Nazi castle would become: "Freeing H.Jones Sr." and "The Floor's on fire"

And one coud divide "Zeppelin fight with Vogel and plane escape" and "Car chase and the Birds of Charlemagne" into 4 sequences...

and so on... bah!

Stoo
07-26-2009, 02:12 AM
And why is The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles even a choice? It says which movie had the most action/adventure.Actually, it's not. There is, however, an option for the "Chronicas".:p
The answer may depend on what you mean by "adventure" ("action" is pretty obvious), but at any rate, given the way the poll is set up, I think The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles should win by a landslide. Simply by virtue of being not a single movie around two hours long but rather a TV show with dozens of episodes with a total running time multiple times longer than all four movies combined, there's a lot more action and adventure over the course of the overall series than there is in any one single movie, even if there are entire episodes with little or no action to speak of.A HUGE landslide! 33 hrs vs. 8 hrs. but if we're talking just the theatrical releases then I'll go with "Doom".
You count the boulder scene as the ONLY one in the prologue yet you can count to three for Temple. Puh-Lease!Length of screentime would be the ultimate, deciding factor. Time the action for all 4 and create percentages based on the length of each film. Then it wouldn't be a matter of opnion but fact. Of course, there'd be opinions on which scenes fit the category (and I'm not suggesting you or I do it) but someone out there may want to.

lao che & sons
07-26-2009, 11:19 AM
You know your attempt was pretty feeble...



Alright, nice try short changing Raiders!
You count the boulder scene as the ONLY one in the prologue yet you can count to three for Temple. Puh-Lease!

Try:
Temple collapse/dash through the darts
Boulder
Escape from natives/catch the seaplane

I don't have the time for this right now...but I'll be back!

I'm not saying that the opeing to temple had more action than raiders , plus I forgot to add the spike room scene for temple. But I just think that temple's opening had more location wise. Raiders was just 1 area with loads of action, temple was 3 areas with loads of action. I count the club, car chase, and airplane escape as 3 different scenes.;)

deckard24
07-26-2009, 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by Stoo
Actually, it's not. There is, however, an option for the "Chronicas".
LOL!:hat:

I was actually gonna write it like that, but changed it at the last second.

Forbidden Eye
07-26-2009, 08:35 PM
The "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" were crap.

I saw a couple of episodes from the War Years not long ago, and I have to agree.

They were soooo boring. Maybe WWI just doesn't interest me much, but it really didn't feel Indy to me. Maybe Vol. 1 is a lot better, but from what I saw I have to say, I don't see how anyone can hate KOTCS, but love the Indy Chronicles, outside of childhood bias.

On-topic: I guess Temple of Doom. The first 22 minutes was one action sequence after another. Pretty hard to beat that.

Dr.Jonesy
07-27-2009, 01:57 AM
I don't know...Action and adventure are two different things. And TOD may have more action but it certainly doesn't have Indy treking as many places as in ROTLA, LC or KOTCS. Safe to say, TOD had the most action but not the most adventure.

Same could go with the other films...

Rocket Surgeon
07-27-2009, 09:36 AM
Length of screentime would be the ultimate, deciding factor. Time the action for all 4 and create percentages based on the length of each film. Then it wouldn't be a matter of opnion but fact. Of course, there'd be opinions on which scenes fit the category (and I'm not suggesting you or I do it) but someone out there may want to.

I think there are too many variables to consider, agree upon and ratify to produce a definitive answer. Its apples and oranges...

If you were to be fair, it would be an equation so convoluted Steven Hawkings would get up and walk away from it!

col.dietrich
07-27-2009, 02:52 PM
And why is The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles even a choice? It says which movie had the most action/adventure.
how many times have i said i am sorry?

deckard24
07-27-2009, 05:24 PM
how many times have i said i am sorry?
My bad, I didn't see your posts man!

Stoo
07-27-2009, 10:59 PM
I think there are too many variables to consider, agree upon and ratify to produce a definitive answer. Its apples and oranges...Absolutely. As I said above, there'd be too many opnions on what fits the category. In any case, according to this poll, "Temple of Doom" is a full furlong ahead of the other thoroughbreds.:up:

how many times have i said i am sorry?You shouldn't have to apologize, col.dietrich. If people don't like the "Chronicas", that's their problem.;) The thread title should read "Which chapter had the most action/adventure?" (Phantom Train of Doom alone would smother Crystal Skull.:p)

Dayne
07-28-2009, 01:07 AM
I always thought Temple had the most action by far, because that's all you think about after you watch the movie. You're not distracted by the artifacts and you sure as hell don't think about all the exotic locals, because (comparatively) there are none! Raiders and Crusade both have great action, but they also have big, memorable plots. Skull seems to replace a lot of it's allotted action screentime with scenes developing the mystery of the plot, and therefore falls way behind in the action department.

Rocket Surgeon
07-28-2009, 08:46 AM
In any case, according to this poll, "Temple of Doom" is a full furlong ahead of the other thoroughbreds.:up:

Tis true, but when given the choice, the crowd picked Barabas too...;)

MaverickKing
08-28-2009, 08:48 AM
While not the best in the series, Temple of Doom did feature the most action and adventure out of all them. It was just... crazy.

Indysolo12
12-01-2009, 01:34 PM
which movie had the most action/adventure?

ToD had alot

Col. Detritch
12-11-2009, 10:59 PM
Action/ Adventure is a tricky thing to count, where does one begin and the other end. I made a rough list of the major action/adventure events of all four movies (Not going to include YIC) and based my vote on the result.;)

Raiders:
1. Opening Scene (Peru)
2. Nepal Bar Fight
3. Cairo Basket Chase
4. Map Room
5. Finding The Ark
6. Trapped in the Well of Souls
7. Airplane Fight
8. Truck Chase
9. Nazi Island (Sub, Ceremony)

Doom:
1. Opening Scene (Shanghai Escape)
2. Raft Drop
3. Elephant Trek
4. Pankot Assassin
5. Bug Chamber/ Spike Room
6. The Temple of Doom
7. The Blood of Kali
8. Willie’s Sacrifice
9. Free the Slaves/ Slave Driver Fight
10. Mine Cart Chase
11. Bridge Showdown

Crusade:
1. Young Indy
2. The Cross of Coronado
3. Venice Library
4. X Marks the Spot
5. Boat Chase
6. The Castle/ Castle on Fire
7. Bike Chase
8. Nazi Book-burning/ Zeppelin Escape
9. Bi-Plane/ Attack of the Birds
10. Belly of the Steel Beast
11. The Penitent Man Will Pass
12. Chose Wisely

Crystal Skull:
1. Warehouse/ Warehouse Escape
2. Doom Town
3. Bike Street Chase
4. Ox’s Cell
5. Grave Robbers
6. Map To Akator
7. Quicksand
8. Jungle Chase
9. Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise
10. Three Times it Drops
11. Through Eyes and Tears/ Natives
12. Obelisk/ Stair Trap
13. Irina’s Wish/ Temple Destruction

Every film seems to get more of everything the next time around so, weather you like it or not Crystal Skull has the most it seems!:hat:

Darth Vile
12-12-2009, 02:36 AM
Good way of documenting it Col. Detritch. :)

Although in Raiders, I think you'd have to include the boat/submarine section as a distinct piece of action... and as you have "Oxley's Cell" for KOTCS, I think you'd have to include the "Bad Dates" scene.

Col. Detritch
12-12-2009, 05:39 AM
Thanks Darth:D

But unfortunatly, even after adding The Boat Hijack (Which I completly forgot:o ) and Bad Dates it still only equals 11 tieing it wth ToD.
Of cause, what we must not forget is that the amount of action/ adventure dosn't nessicarily make the film better or worse. For instance I like Raides over ToD yet they have an equal amount of action/ adventure!:hat:

Forrestal3657
12-13-2009, 09:27 PM
I'd say it was clearly Raiders. It was literally comparable to a Saturday afternoon serial: emotional/romantic scenes were immediately followed by an intense action scene; seeming to be non-stop. I'd vote Raiders, whether it is an 'action sequence' or just a small tidbit (such as Indy punching out the Nazi at the Submarine docking bay), it contained more action.

indymegatron
12-15-2009, 12:45 AM
Raiders, Last Crusade and Crystal Skull have action scenes exelentes

Raiders:
Temple of the idol
Nepal Scene
Cairo Basket chase
Map Room
Airplane Fight
Truck Chase
opening the ark (one of my favorites):up:

Last Crusade
Young Indy
Cross of coronado
Boat Scene
The Castle
Belly of the Steel Beast
finale

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Warehouse Escape (favorite)
Doom Town
Bike Street Chase (favorite)
Grave Robbers
Map To Akator
Quicksand
Jungle Chase
Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise (favorite)
Three Times it Drops
Through Eyes and Tears/ Natives
Obelisk/ Stair Trap
Irina’s Wish/ Temple Destruction (my favorite)

lao che & sons
12-16-2009, 07:13 PM
I've come back to thinking about this again and Raiders is up there. I mean think about it... Well of souls, fight on the flying wing, and the truck chase...
3 great action pieces backed by johnw williams score it was like hit after hit after hit. You really can get tired after watching all that action.

Then temple had... temple of doom (freeing willie) a personal favorite:up:, Rock crusher fight, and Mine Cart chase. But there were slower transitions in between each piece of action unlike inr aiders where it was literally hithithit... HIT:)

but then temple just threw you for a loop. It's like they beat you up in Raiders then Came back and beat you up some more for temple then picked you up dusted you off and became best friends with you for Last crusade. Then came back and stabbed ou in the back for KOTCS. At least that's how I see it metaphorically.:cool:

Rocket Surgeon
12-16-2009, 07:55 PM
1. Opening Scene (Peru)

2. Chase to the Plane/Escape/Snake (Hell if you separeate the raft drop might as well separate the Plane escape!)

3. Nepal Bar Fight
4. Cairo Basket Chase

5. Sword to a Gun fight ( you parse 8. Jungle Chase and 9. Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise)

6. You're missing confronting Belloq, (hell if you're including an Elephant ride!)

7. Map Room

8. Finding Marion, (if you're incliding tha Pancot Assassin!)
9. Trapped in the Well of Souls
10. Airplane Fight
11. Truck Chase

12. Truck Chase again, (it's epic...there's no TWO scenes that equal it)
13. Nazi Island (Sub, )

14. Ceremony, ( don't combine it especially if you don't combine Temple of Doom/Blood of Kali!)
Doom:
1. Opening Scene (Shanghai Escape)
2. Raft Drop
3. Elephant Trek (Wha?)
4. Pankot Assassin (HUH?)
5. Bug Chamber/ Spike Room
6. The Temple of Doom
7. The Blood of Kali
8. Willie’s Sacrifice
9. Free the Slaves/ Slave Driver Fight
10. Mine Cart Chase
11. Bridge Showdown

Crusade:
1. Young Indy
2. The Cross of Coronado
3. Venice Library
4. X Marks the Spot
5. Boat Chase
6. The Castle/ Castle on Fire
7. Bike Chase
8. Nazi Book-burning/ Zeppelin Escape
9. Bi-Plane/ Attack of the Birds
10. Belly of the Steel Beast
11. The Penitent Man Will Pass
12. Chose Wisely
13. Temple destruction

Crystal Skull:
1. Warehouse/ Warehouse Escape
2. Doom Town
3. Bike Street Chase
4. Ox’s Cell (Might as well ad Musgrove and Eaton then!)
5. Grave Robbers
6. Map To Akator (HUH?)
7. Quicksand
8. Jungle Chase Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise
9. Three Times it Drops
10. Through Eyes and Tears/ Natives Oblisk/ Stair Trap
11. Irina’s Wish/ Temple Destruction

Every film seems to get more of everything the next time around so, weather you like it or not Crystal Skull has the most it seems!:hat:

Yeah, I don't think so!:hat:

Col. Detritch
12-16-2009, 08:05 PM
Originally Posted by lao che & sons
It's like they beat you up in Raiders then Came back and beat you up some more for temple then picked you up dusted you off and became best friends with you for Last crusade. Then came back and stabbed ou in the back for KOTCS. At least that's how I see it metaphorically.

lao, are you talking about the frequency of the action/ adventure when you say this? Because I can see what you mean; Raiders was so intense because the action was so rapid we almost gasped to death just watching in suspense... a good thing!:up: Then in ToD it was the same thing, because Indy was escaping the evil of the ‘Temple of Doom’, but still not as rapid as Raiders. Then in LC, we had less frequent action/ adventure again, because it was a character piece unlike the first two. But, I still think, the tank showdown was the most intense in the series;) . And then with KotCS the action/ adventure speed up a bit more again, not as much as Raiders or ToD but fast enough!

So I guess it’s up to a personal choice to see which was the most action/ adventure packed, because it’s not just about the quantity but the quality and frequency and that will always vary between people. Some like fast paced and some like it a bit slower (but in no way slow) and then it also depends on which YOU prefer as action/ adventure scenes. In light of this, if I could change my choice for most action/ adevnture I would choose LC!:hat:

Col. Detritch
12-16-2009, 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Col. Detritch
1. Opening Scene (Peru)

2. Chase to the Plane/Escape/Snake (Hell if you separeate the raft drop might as well separate the Plane escape!)
3. Nepal Bar Fight
4. Cairo Basket Chase

5. Sword to a Gun fight ( you parse 8. Jungle Chase and 9. Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise)

6. You're missing confronting Belloq, (hell if you're including an Elephant ride!)

7. Map Room

8. Finding Marion, (if you're incliding tha Pancot Assassin!)
9. Trapped in the Well of Souls
10. Airplane Fight
11. Truck Chase

12. Truck Chase again, (it's epic...there's no TWO scenes that equal it)
13. Nazi Island (Sub, )

14. Ceremony, ( don't combine it especially if you don't combine Temple of Doom/Blood of Kali!)Doom:
1. Opening Scene (Shanghai Escape)
2. Raft Drop
3. Elephant Trek (Wha?)
4. Pankot Assassin (HUH?)
5. Bug Chamber/ Spike Room
6. The Temple of Doom
7. The Blood of Kali
8. Willie’s Sacrifice
9. Free the Slaves/ Slave Driver Fight
10. Mine Cart Chase
11. Bridge Showdown

Crusade:
1. Young Indy
2. The Cross of Coronado
3. Venice Library
4. X Marks the Spot
5. Boat Chase
6. The Castle/ Castle on Fire
7. Bike Chase
8. Nazi Book-burning/ Zeppelin Escape
9. Bi-Plane/ Attack of the Birds
10. Belly of the Steel Beast
11. The Penitent Man Will Pass
12. Chose Wisely
13. Temple destruction

Crystal Skull:
1. Warehouse/ Warehouse Escape
2. Doom Town
3. Bike Street Chase
4. Ox’s Cell (Might as well ad Musgrove and Eaton then!)
5. Grave Robbers
6. Map To Akator (HUH?)
7. Quicksand
8. Jungle Chase Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise
9. Three Times it Drops
10. Through Eyes and Tears/ Natives Oblisk/ Stair Trap
11. Irina’s Wish/ Temple Destruction

Every film seems to get more of everything the next time around so, weather you like it or not Crystal Skull has the most it seems!:hat:

Ok, fair enough! Look, when I wrote this I wasn't watching the movies!;)

Revised List:

Raiders
1. Opening Scene (Peru)
2. Chase to the Plane/Escape/Snake
3. Musgrove and Eaton
4. Nepal Bar Fight
5. Cairo Basket Chase
6. Shooting the Cairo Swords Man
7. Talk with Belloq
8. Map Room
9. Reunion with Marion
10. Trapped in the Well of Souls
11. Airplane Fight
12. Truck Chase
13. Hijacking the Boat
14. Nazi Island (Sub, )
15. Ceremony

Doom:
1. Opening Scene (Shanghai Escape)
2. Raft Drop
3. The Village
4. Elephant Trek
5. Dinner
6. Pankot Assassin
7. Bug Chamber/ Spike Room
8. The Temple of Doom
9. The Blood of Kali (Whipping Scene)
10. Willie’s Sacrifice
11. Free the Slaves/ Slave Driver Fight
12. Mine Cart Chase
13. Bridge Showdown

Crusade:
1. Young Indy
2. The Cross of Coronado
3. Donovan and the Grail Tablet
4. Venice Library
5. X Marks the Spot
6. Boat Chase
7. The Castle
8. Castle on Fire
9. Bike Chase
10. Nazi Book-burning/ Escape to Zeppelin
11. Bi-Plane/ Attack of the Birds
12. Belly of the Steel Beast
13. The Penitent Man Will Pass
14. Chose Wisely
15. Temple Destruction

Crystal Skull:
1. Warehouse/ Warehouse Escape
2. Doom Town
3. Bike Street Chase
4. Ox’s Cell
5. Grave Robbers
6. Powers of the Skull
7. Map To Akator (Ox’s map)
8. Quicksand
9. Jungle Chase
10. Ants/ Dovchenko’s Demise
11. Three Times it Drops
12. Through Eyes and Tears/ Natives
13. Obelisk/ Stair Trap
14. Irina’s Wish/ Temple Destruction

Raiders and Crusade Tie! My mistake:o
:hat:

Attila the Professor
12-16-2009, 09:19 PM
I always come back to this thread, wondering if it's come any closer to recognizing that action and adventure are pretty different things, and that simply counting action-oriented sequences isn't going to produce any sort of definitive, scientifically correct answer.

At the very least, this exercise of counting and disputing what ought and ought not to count will probably show how futile it is.

Col. Detritch
12-16-2009, 10:45 PM
Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
At the very least, this exercise of counting and disputing what ought and ought not to count will probably show how futile it is.

It might be. All I'm doing, as I can't talk for others, is counting all them major action scenes and all the major adventure scenes and seeing which movie has the most action and adventure scenes combined! Of cause I could easily say ToD has the most even though my above results so other wise because it could be my opinion, I might prefered the action/ adventure scenes in that film more. Also as stated not only does the number of scenes define it but also the frequency and quality of them. In Raiders they seem to be one after the other while in LC they are more spaced apart! It just depends on which ones you liked more!:hat:

lao che & sons
12-21-2009, 05:08 PM
lao, are you talking about the frequency of the action/ adventure when you say this? Because I can see what you mean; Raiders was so intense because the action was so rapid we almost gasped to death just watching in suspense... a good thing!:up: Then in ToD it was the same thing, because Indy was escaping the evil of the ‘Temple of Doom’, but still not as rapid as Raiders. Then in LC, we had less frequent action/ adventure again, because it was a character piece unlike the first two. But, I still think, the tank showdown was the most intense in the series;) . And then with KotCS the action/ adventure speed up a bit more again, not as much as Raiders or ToD but fast enough!

So I guess it’s up to a personal choice to see which was the most action/ adventure packed, because it’s not just about the quantity but the quality and frequency and that will always vary between people. Some like fast paced and some like it a bit slower (but in no way slow) and then it also depends on which YOU prefer as action/ adventure scenes. In light of this, if I could change my choice for most action/ adevnture I would choose LC!:hat:

RIGHT, I just watched TOD for like the hundreth time and it's pretty intense but I have to switch my vote to Raiders on this one now.:p

featofstrength
12-22-2009, 01:12 PM
Temple of doom...the bridge sequence puts it on top for me:)