Who should return? Anyone?

[FedoraHead]

Who would you like to see return to the next movie? Maybe its crazy but I like to see Short Round return even if its a small part (but if it works within the story, dont get put him in to put him in). Or maybe if some of the past people cant return he talk about them. Kind of see what happened to the Willie, or Short Round, or others. I know Lucas would never let Jones die in the movie but what about sallah?

[Toht's Arm]

I'm generally OK with anyone returning as long as it doesn't feel like they've been shoehorned in. It bugs me when people keep suggesting that Sallah or Short Round should have been at the wedding in Indy IV. I'm sure that very few people would have made their way halfway around the world simply for a wedding back in the 50s - unless they were rich. Surely long distance travel was too cost-prohibitive.

[Montana Smith]

I'd like to see the Lucas and Spielberg of 1981 return.

[replican't]

The cgi gophers and monkeys - they should be the stars of Indy 5.

The fridge should have a cameo too, but only if it doesn't distract from the gopher and monkey action.

[Darth Vile]

The return of my uncynical youthful self...

[replican't]

The return of my uncynical youthful self...

Yeah - you could do better stunts back then.

[Montana Smith]

Yeah - you could do better stunts back then.

And annoying brats weren't always trying to steal your hat.

[Raiders112390]

It's a shame you guys are letting KOTCS sour your opinions on the series. So much negativity toward even the possibility of a fifth film.

[Mickiana]

I am negative about a fifth film in that it may not happen - I would really like another IJ flick - and I am also negative about a fifth film in that it might be as bad as CS if it does happen. There is a little room left over for some positivity that a fifth may happen and it might be good.

[Indy's brother]

Honestly, at this point I think it would feel more like Indy if he himself was the only recurring character in another movie. Mention or allude to other characters, but that's it. KOTCS proved (to me, anyway) that even bringing back even Indy's original bigscreen sidekick (shut up Satipo/Sapito) didn't make it any better of a film. You could argue with me until you are blue in the face that the return of another character, whoever it may be, would be good if written well enough. But it wouldn't be. Lucas and Spielberg can't help but wink at the audience with that sort of thing. Since ROTLA, Indy's entourage has gotten dumber and hokier with every film. There is no reason to think that the trend would change. Being as such, leave my beloved characters from the cannon out of Indy 5. They're only going to get worse if resurrected. Send Indy off on an adventure and introduce us to non-cannon-connected characters. It's the only hope for this film franchise's redemption. Otherwise there's going to be stupid crap like Indy and Henry Sr. saying "Intolerable" in unison, or watching an adult Jonathan Ke Quan try to be cute, or worse, be villainous and make us hate him.

So to the thread title I say no. Not anyone, thank you.

'cept for Ford as Indy again of course.

[Mickiana]

What IB said. Precisely.

[Olliana]

Yeah, I think IB's right. Every time they brought back characters from the previous movies, whether Marcus, Sallah or Marion, they just dumped them down to figures of fun without any depth. Same would happen to Shorty if he'd ever come back. Because even Shorty had some depth to his character.

But sadly there seems to be no way around making Mutt (one of) Indys next sidekick(s) again.

[Hanselation]

Honestly, at this point I think it would feel more like Indy if he himself was the only recurring character in another movie. Mention or allude to other characters, but that's it. KOTCS proved (to me, anyway) that even bringing back even Indy's original bigscreen sidekick (shut up Satipo/Sapito) didn't make it any better of a film. You could argue with me until you are blue in the face that the return of another character, whoever it may be, would be good if written well enough. But it wouldn't be. Lucas and Spielberg can't help but wink at the audience with that sort of thing. Since ROTLA, Indy's entourage has gotten dumber and hokier with every film. There is no reason to think that the trend would change. Being as such, leave my beloved characters from the cannon out of Indy 5. They're only going to get worse if resurrected. Send Indy off on an adventure and introduce us to non-cannon-connected characters. It's the only hope for this film franchise's redemption. Otherwise there's going to be stupid crap like Indy and Henry Sr. saying "Intolerable" in unison, or watching an adult Jonathan Ke Quan try to be cute, or worse, be villainous and make us hate him.

So to the thread title I say no. Not anyone, thank you.

'cept for Ford as Indy again of course.

:up:

No family ties and less silly humor like it was shown by Marcus and also Henry Sr. in LC and by Marion in KOTCS.
So NOooooooooo return of characters from the previous movies - besides Indy of course :D

[Randy_Flagg]

I don't post here often, but I have to agree with what is being said about it being a bad idea to bring back anyone.
In fact, not only should they not bring back anyone, I say they should also venture away from the tired formula that was used in Raiders, Crusade and Skull: Opening adventure -> University -> exposition -> main adventure. It's not a bad formula, but it's too repetitive now.

They could allude to the fact that Indy works at a univerity by having him start the movie on an archeaological dig with some of his students. From there, something happens that gets him whisked away onto the main adventure of the film. By doing this, we don't get the scene of Indy standing in a classroom, nor do we get any hokey scenes of Indy at home with Marion and Mutt trying to be a family man. He could refer to his family at some point in the movie, but I really don't need to see them onscreen, and they definitely should NOT tag along with him.

The fewer references to past films, the better. No arks lying around, and I don't even need to see a snake scene again. We get it, he's afraid of snakes. That doesn't have to be shoehorned into every movie-- it's really not such a fascinating fact about the character.

I also don't need to see him fondly reminiscing about the good ol' days. KOTCS already dealt with the fact that he got older, so no more trips down memory lane.

Realistically, of course, I think its a moot point, since I can't see a 5th movie ever being made. And if it IS made, I definitely can't see GL and SS not including Mutt and Marion again (especially since Harrison himself said tht he hopes the fifth movie further explores the father/son relationship.)

[Supernatural]

I always thought it would be good to see Sallah, Willie and Short Round again. I'd also like to see Marion back. The Marion from Raiders that could take care of herself and was a spitfire. The one from Crystal Skull didn't feel the same.

But Maybe Indy's Brother is right, maybe it should just be Indy.
Simple and to the point.


You know, the complete opposite of Crystal Skull.

Oxley was just THE WORST.

[Brooke Logan]

I'd like to see Willie and Short Round, and have them meet Sallah and Marion.

[Johnb02]

I totally think Short Round returns as a teenager with a girlfriend. Then they go on the adventure too and Short Round has to save the girlfriend sometimes but Indy is the main character still. Cause face it, Short Round kicked butt as a 12 year old kid. Indy and Willie would be dead without him. :dead:

[Lego Indy]

Sallah is the only character that I would bring back.

[foreverwingnut]

Sallah is the only character that I would bring back.
I think we've all reached some level of acceptance by now that there won't be another Indy film, but we can still make conversation about it and keep the dream alive at the least. I agree with Lego Indy that Sallah would be a great thrill to see again. John Rhys-Davies has become an icon since 1981 with one of the most easily recognizable voices in the world. There would be little doubt that Marion would have at least a cameo in a 5th film, so, with the return of Sallah, it would be like having the old gang back together again.

[jbonvillain]

Who would you like to see return to the next movie? Maybe its crazy but I like to see Short Round return even if its a small part (but if it works within the story, dont get put him in to put him in). Or maybe if some of the past people cant return he talk about them. Kind of see what happened to the Willie, or Short Round, or others. I know Lucas would never let Jones die in the movie but what about sallah?



i think indiana jones should return in the next movie:D

[AndyLGR]

Only Indy should return and it should be an adventure where Indy is away somewherre, maybe on an expedition, maybe teaching elsewhere in the world. None of the baggage of the others should return, wives, kids, old friends whatever. Just keep the supporting cast of heros at a minimum, because KOTCS proved that too many heros on screen just ruins it.

[Brooke Logan]

I would like to see Sallah, Willie and Short Round just at least do cameos, especially the latter two. Since Indy's other sidekicks have been brought back in either LC or KOTCS, to me it would only be fair to bring back his sidekicks from Temple as well, so their fans could see what became of them/get one final scene for them.

[Henry Jones VII]

I'd like to see what Sallah is up to.

[Dr.Jonesy]

I don't think anyone should return except Marion/Mutt in the beginning of the film for a few mins.

[Henry Jones VII]

I don't think anyone should return except Marion/Mutt in the beginning of the film for a few mins.
maybe you're right. :up:

[kongisking]

Just because I found myself falling in love with Sallah all over again when watching Raiders in IMAX, he's the one I want to see come back more than anything...

[Henry Jones VII]

John rhys-davies probably wouldn't mind returning. :D

[ulysse_davinci]

I just don't want that Indiana Jones series ends like The Mummy series with Indy, Mutt and Marion against the evil.

I'd like to see grown-up Short Round, maybe as an apprentice adventurer inspired by his last adventure with Indy. Sallah is also another character that I'd like to see again, just to know what happened to him since the Last Crusade but one character that I'd really like to see, in order to make a connection with the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles, it's Remy Baudouin; Indy's old friend and wartime companion. I'd really like to see him as a second character or simple cameo but since the actor died in 2000, it would be hard. Maybe he could be replaced by another actor. Finally, I think that a cameo of a famous celebrity of the same time as a cameo could also be interesting like they did in some episodes of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.

[Indy's brother]

I would just like to say that my previous post in this thread is one of my proudest moments here at The Raven. Seriously.

[replican't]

I would just like to say that my previous post in this thread is one of my proudest moments here at The Raven. Seriously.

Why, because you repeatedly spelled canon wrong?

[Indy's brother]

Why, because you repeatedly spelled canon wrong?

Yup. Just like I can't figure out the correct spelling of douche-bag/douchebag, yet I still know what it means.

[Henry W Jones]

Yup. Just like I can't figure out the correct spelling of douche-bag/douchebag, yet I still know what it means.

LMFAO!!!!! Sick burn!!!!!!

http://preparedforthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/6037459711_0578e62aa6_z.jpg

[Rocket Surgeon]

LMFAO! Sick burn!A classy retort, (if referencing feminine hygene can be considered so) but I'm starting to empathize with Kong...his critiques are as poorly conceived as Crystal Skull.

[replican't]

A classy retort, (if referencing feminine hygene can be considered so) but I'm starting to empathize with Kong...his critiques are as poorly conceived as Crystal Skull.

Yeah, I'm proper wounded now and no mistake, ouch ouch, etc.

Back in the adult world, how are my critiques 'poorly conceived'? I'm not the one who've spent 4 pages of a thread arguing why that gay kid in the class leaves an apple for Indy, when its perfectly bleeding obvious.

I do wonder sometimes if reality in this forum has taken more of a jump than that bloke with the hat did when he tried to escape that annoying blonde bird on the plane in his second film.

[Indy's brother]

Yeah, I'm proper wounded now and no mistake, ouch ouch, etc.

Back in the adult world, how are my critiques 'poorly conceived'?

You mean the adult world (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?p=541637#post541637) of Poo, skull-f****ng, and geriatric incest? In the world of scatological sarcasm, your brilliant insights are masterfully crafted, and beyond reproach. Your contributions and insights to these boards and dare I say it, the fan community at large, have been nothing short of inspirational. Poorly conceived? Peshaw!!! Only those lacking the refined palate necessary to digest your deep brand of perspicacious wisdom could be ignorant enough to question the veracity of your refreshingly frank and savvy discernments here.

Please.

Toss us some more scraps of wisdom. Knowledge is treasure here, and we are but peasants in your kingdom.

[replican't]

Deep down, you know Crystalled is a prime serving of bottom-dribbling on toast, but your invested interest in this 'hobby' of worshipping anything Indiana Jones means you have to drag yourself through the same increasingly tiresome defense ritual every time you read on of my posts.

Imagine how nice it would feel to stop lying to yourself! Just picture that sweet, chilled bliss of understanding that would come washing over you once you've typed these words one after the other and hit the 'submit reply' button:

Indiana Jones and The Crystal Skull is utter drek and no more will I toil under the yoke of its creepy ridiculous shadow.


Man, you dont even have to type it - you can cut and paste and I wont tell anyone....

You know it makes sense. Do the right thing.

[Indy's brother]

If your mental stability depends on wether or not everyone feels the same way you do about KOTCS, maybe you should continue your already effective crusade against it by upping your game. You should start an online petition to ban the sale of it or something. Or type in all caps.

[EddyW]

I love how you put that in bold, really makes the point come across even better.

[replican't]

Haters always gotta hate, it seems.

[Rocket Surgeon]

Yeah, I'm proper wounded now and no mistake, ouch ouch, etc.If you aren't you should be, he's at least a length ahead of you in decent content, do try and keep up.

Back in the adult world, how are my critiques 'poorly conceived'?You got me there...I guess I can't really call what you write "critiques." Your insipid tweets and base taunts (weakly harping on spelling of all things) are a prime serving of bottom-dribbling on toast, but its your invested interest in this 'hobby' of venting on anything Crystal Skull which is by far more daft and bizarre.

I don't care that you lash out at the film and its fans that cost you the better part of $10, (not to mention the DVD and BluRay you certainly own), in fact the more you engage in mudslinging I almost expect better material or something more inspired to emerge than the constant resigned harping.


I'm not the one who've spent 4 pages of a thread arguing why that gay kid in the class leaves an apple for Indy, when its perfectly bleeding obvious.

"I'm not the one..." Good Lord, go cry to mummy!

You certainly are bleeding...maybe you require a different manner of hygene product.

Of course you know everything, and peeking into the future know that nothing worthy will develop from continued posting here...yet you continually abandon "the adult world" trotting to and fro, again and again, eating the grass and sniffing the rear ends of the other loonies in the bin.

I do wonder sometimes if reality in this forum has taken more of a jump than that bloke with the hat did when he tried to escape that annoying blonde bird on the plane in his second film. I'll leave you to your thorazine dreams...for now.

[replican't]

Lol. Its Indiana Jones, for chrissake - he's not real mate, he's some cartoon character from two or three decent enough films. Who cares about this stuff? Not worth getting your knickers in a twist over.

By the way, I dont own the dvd or blu-ray of Kingdong Of The Crystalenema - why would I? I saw it at the cinema, it's ****e and I aint throwing good money after bad.

It was on TV a few months back and I happened upon it by random while channel surfing. Had it on for a few minutes. Really awful, risible stuff.

[Indy's brother]

Lol. Its Indiana Jones, for chrissake - he's not real mate, he's some cartoon character from two or three decent enough films. Who cares about this stuff?

Why are you even here.

[replican't]

For the women.

[The Drifter]

Why are you even here.

To troll...

[replican't]

And the beer.

[Montana Smith]

And the nuts.

You don't have to look hard to find the nuts.

[replican't]

Urine it for the nuts?

[Rocket Surgeon]

Who would you like to see return to the next movie? Kind of see what happened to the Willie?


OH, how I would LOVE to know what happened to "the Willie"!

The way they handle material now...

...I have to think about this one.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lf/an_unforgettable_evening_190412/kate-capshaw-unforgettable-evening-benefiting-eifs-womens-cancer_3834376.jpg

[Finn]

Urine it for the nuts? Don't overdo it, man. When trolls stop being amusing, they begin to attract the attention of the upkeep.

[Kai Hagen]

If I could be the director, I'd have the next movie set in the 1970s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s) due to Harrison Ford's age. Otherwise, we'd need very good digital editing. If we need a powerful antagonist faction like the other series do, then I'd have the movie take place in Vietnam. This is the 70s. I think Short Round has a higher chance of meeting Indy there (unless he fled to the U.S. with Willie before Mao took control of mainland China). Short Round would be in his 40s by then. Or go back to the biblical theme in Israel and Egypt a few months before the Yom Kippur War. Have Truc Diem

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o506/eesang2012/rrr/TrucDiem_zps3f232ee2.jpg

or Emmanuelle Sophie Anne Chriqui

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o506/eesang2012/rrr/Emmanuelle_zpscccfc7e5.jpg

act as his female sidekick.

(I heard that Emmanuelle's parents are Moroccan Sepharic Jewish so I guess she'd be a politically / religiously neutral choice).

[Kai Hagen]

Or we could have both actresses appear. We could have Vietnam and then the Middle East in the movie. Indy flies around a lot in the series.

[Randy_Flagg]

If I could be the director, I'd have the next movie set in the 1970s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s) due to Harrison Ford's age. Otherwise, we'd need very good digital editing. If we need a powerful antagonist faction like the other series do, then I'd have the movie take place in Vietnam. This is the 70s. I think Short Round has a higher chance of meeting Indy there (unless he fled to the U.S. with Willie before Mao took control of mainland China). Short Round would be in his 40s by then. Or go back to the biblical theme in Israel and Egypt a few months before the Yom Kippur War. Have Truc Diem

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o506/eesang2012/rrr/TrucDiem_zps3f232ee2.jpg

or Emmanuelle Sophie Anne Chriqui

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o506/eesang2012/rrr/Emmanuelle_zpscccfc7e5.jpg

act as his female sidekick.

(I heard that Emmanuelle's parents are Moroccan Sepharic Jewish so I guess she'd be a politically / religiously neutral choice).

Are you suggesting those two women as Indy's sidekicks, or as Shorty's sidekicks? They're just a tad bit young for Indy, I think. They could practically be his grand-daughters. Shorty could team up with them, and Indy could have a fling with Angela Lansbury.
http://cdn-images.hollywood.com/cms/294x255/4930584.jpg

[Kai Hagen]

They're just sidekicks, not his wives.
Wait till you become seventy.....

[replican't]

Its 1965 and Short Round returns and confronts ageing Indiana Jones with allegations of abuse but in the argument that ensues Indy accidentally kills him and decides to stash the body in the Ark which he then tries to return to its original burial place blaming the Ark on global warming as his cover story and everyone believes him except his son Shia who has trained as a lawyer since giving up his rebel ways so Shia is forced to track the dirty guilty old man down in a reverse take on The Fugitive and there are comedy cgi animals who smoke dope and Marianne is dead because of a plastic surgery tragedy etc.

[Rocket Surgeon]

Its 1965 and Short Round returns and confronts ageing Indiana Jones with allegations of abuse but in the argument that ensues Indy accidentally kills him and decides to stash the body in the Ark which he then tries to return to its original burial place blaming the Ark on global warming as his cover story and everyone believes him except his son Shia who has trained as a lawyer since giving up his rebel ways so Shia is forced to track the dirty guilty old man down in a reverse take on The Fugitive and there are comedy cgi animals who smoke dope and Marianne is dead because of a plastic surgery tragedy etc.Reads like a crappy Dylan lyric...then yoooooooo

[Montana Smith]

Marianne?

Marianne Faithful, the girl on the motorcycle?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NUp1RXqXKbA/TMHR_fcFWSI/AAAAAAAACWU/ktx1dJW8bXg/s320/motorcycle.jpg

That explains why Mutt was so effeminate.

[replican't]

Reads like a crappy Dylan lyric...then yoooooooo

Um, ok, if you say so mate.

[Rocket Surgeon]

Um, ok, if you say so mate.
I do. The run-on free association of a mental patient pal...get uuused toooooo iiiit.

[replican't]

Mods! Troll is in internet!

[Rocket Surgeon]

Mods! Troll is in internet!
Aw...come on, you came out to play! Don't' run away!

CGI trolls, there are so many...

[replican't]

Aw...come on, you came out to play! Don't' run away!

CGI trolls, there are so many...

Speaking of trolls, maybe they could cgi Marryun's Raiders body and face onto the knackered current version if they do do another Indy?

[Randy_Flagg]

They're just sidekicks, not his wives.
Wait till you become seventy.....
I think when I turn 70, I'd feel a little odd hanging around with girls who are in their 20s. Hell, I'm in my 30s now, and I already get impatient when I have to hang out too long with girls who are in their early 20s.

[Rocket Surgeon]

Speaking of trolls, maybe they could cgi Marryun's Raiders body and face onto the knackered current version if they do do another Indy?
I think we should get some new blood instead of all this returning. That Indy IV dream has got me wondering if Bob Dylan would make a great brother to Oxley...they could CGI him to make him look lucid early on and then you wouldn't need makeup to have him fill out the rest of the film as a burn out.

He could be a villain turning the youth of the 60s into drug addled zombies...or trolls.

COOL!

[replican't]

By the way, for the record Bob Dylan was rubbish after 1976 and I dont listen to his stuff anymore, so continue your lame trolling all you like but its kinda pointless....

[Rocket Surgeon]

I don't understand what you mean. Your extensive and repetitive Skull, CGI, Marryun reflections just add up to Bob Dylan to me.

Why so serious?

Did I touch a nerve?

My most sincere and humbly honest apologies... please continue your flaming and trolling of Crystal Skull.

[Kai Hagen]

I think when I turn 70, I'd feel a little odd hanging around with girls who are in their 20s. Hell, I'm in my 30s now, and I already get impatient when I have to hang out too long with girls who are in their early 20s.
Harrison Ford was about 3.23 times older than Jonathan Ke Quan (Short Round) when they did the ToD.
Harrison Ford is about 3 times older than Truong Tri Truc Diem and only twice as old as Emmanuelle Sophie Anne Chriqui.
Think about it.

[Montana Smith]

By the time they make Indy 5 it'll be a case of checking to see who would feasibly be still alive.

And the first one to cross of the list will be Indiana Jones himself!

[Rocket Surgeon]

By the time they make Indy 5 it'll be a case of checking to see who would feasibly be still alive.

And the first one to cross of the list will be Indiana Jones himself!But will YOU still be here to vamp on his loose flesh?!

[Montana Smith]

But will YOU still be here to vamp on his loose flesh?!

I'll be haunting this place for a while yet!

[Rocket Surgeon]

I'll be haunting this place for a while yet!
Then I'll expect a higher quality in camp then simple replication...

[Montana Smith]

Then I'll expect a higher quality in camp then simple replication...

"Replication in computing involves sharing information so as to ensure consistency between redundant resources, such as software or hardware components, to improve reliability, fault-tolerance, or accessibility."


In terms of Indiana Jones that would mean Harrison Ford returning in the title role.

However, his age is making him redundant in a role that would be consistent with the original trilogy.

Mutt was the component employed to improve accessibility. By rights, he, or some other more reliable foil must return to disguise the issue that the main character is past his use-by date.

Ergo, any Indiana Jones #5 will be worse than #4. Consistent only in name and faulty to its core.

The only other live action alternative is a reboot, and everyone is liable to return. It won't be consistent with #1-4, but neither will the audience have to suffer a foil.

[Rocket Surgeon]

The only other live action alternative is a reboot, and everyone is liable to return. It won't be consistent with #1-4, but neither will the audience have to suffer a foil.

The Indy V odds are slim but they've not hit bottom yet...there might still be some tred left in his boots.

Someone has to die though.

Kasdan's recent comments about Star Wars make the cliffhanger that is Indy V exciting...

[Mickiana]

The Indy V odds are slim but they've not hit bottom yet...there might still be some tred left in his boots.

Someone has to die though.

Kasdan's recent comments about Star Wars make the cliffhanger that is Indy V exciting...

What were these comments? I've had a look but can't find them.