How Will it End?

[bob]

'allo

I' am sure that most of us believe that Indy IV should be the final Indiana Jones Film, (With harrison in it at least!) even the prospect of adventures set before Raiders, leaves us with the fact that the 50's should be as far as the Indy adventures should go. So it all needs to end somehow, something with finality.
Some Options:
- Death
Well Indy could die, I doubt this would happen but it is possible, and if he sacrificed himself for his son or the world that would be a good enough end for me.

Henry Could Die, i believe that this is a far more likely occurance as surely by the mid 50's henry must be in his 70's or 80's!, and his being in the film must have a point, this could end Indys adventuring days.

Retirment
- In my opinion Indy is likely to be retired from adveturing at the beginning of the movie as he is 50+, but he could retire disillusioned from the new world, and not understanding it. Perhaps him living with Sallah or going to Nepal.

Handing Down the Fetora
- Indy could hand down the Hat to his son (No comment from me).

It seems to me that the Films need to find a way to end the saga, that is why i believe that the film will have some sort of apoclyptic fever to it (esps from rumours of Eden going back to the place life was "created"). But the Indy films must end some how

[Fanboy]

I envision Indy walking up a long cliff, we see his profile, and then Indy quickly turns around and flashes the whip at the camera.....

[Aaron H]

I think it'll be left open-ended. Where anything could happen after the last shot. Leaving the audience to mentally create their own adventure/conclusion on their drive home from the theater.

[jones]

Yeah but Aaron how will THAT part end lol? This is what I think...Indy dying? NO Henry dying? NO Retirement? not really cause it's more fun knowing he goes on other adventures. But it's not as bad as the other ones. Passin the Fedora? NO. I like something what Fanboy said. That would be really cool. But they can't have everyone rididng off again cause they did that in LC. Iduno how it should end. That's hard!

[wolfgang]

I envision Indy walking up a long cliff, we see his profile, and then Indy quickly turns around and flashes the whip at the camera.....


I love that idea fanboy. but how about this: indy kissing the female in the sunset, and leaves with her, then he turns and whips the camera. i really liked the iddea :D

[bob]

I really feel that the saga needs some sort of conclusion, weather it is imagined or real we must get the feeling that something has changed with Indy. How about:
Girl: You've done it Indy you've saved us all from deverstation, if the Soviets had got their hands on X ITEM they would have enslaved Freedom, and destroyed society as we know it.
Indy looks upinto the clouds to see a cloud that looks like a musharoom cloud, and then he hears an explosion in his mind and jolts.
Girl: Indy?
Indy: I'm getting out of here
Girl: Im coming
Indy: No you stay here, i have somethings i have to do
Indy walks off soloumly into the Desert Sunset.

[vornoff]

Originally posted by Fanboy
I envision Indy walking up a long cliff, we see his profile, and then Indy quickly turns around and flashes the whip at the camera.....

Nice one ... i like that one a lot.

Indiana Jones is a complex character who will likely have kind of a sad fate.

[scifiwolf]

I personally think that cracking the whip at the camera is too corny. The whole riding-off-into-the-sunset motiff is too cliched. It should be like the first film, not the exact same thing, but that general idea: the world is much larger than we think and it doesn't necessarily revolve around what Indy does or does not do.

Just an afterthought, I certainly don't have the answer, and I don't think any of you could claim to either. That is why we don't make the decisions and George, Steven, and Harrison do. But if this film is going to be worthwhile with Paramount and the fans, it will have to return to the same formula that made Raiders of the Lost Ark the timeless classic that it is.

[QueZTone]

now Indy 4 is coming closer and his age is going to play a big part, people with the age of calista flokhart are also playing in this movie, indy having offspring that will carry on his/her dads legacy, etc etc I'm definitly beginning to get cold feet over this new project..

i think monkey (i think it was monkey) phrased it best a while ago, "do we really need/want indy 4?"

[BigIndyFan]

Well I think Indy will be searching for Heaven itself, and I imagine him walking up the white stairs toward a gate and then it fades....*roll credits*

[jones]

I like the idea of Indy kissin the girl at the end of a clif in the sunset. With Henry on one side looking out into the sun set and Sallah on the other side looking out. Then they all turn around on there horses and ride towards the camera, the camera turns and they ride off. Credits roll! They dont need a stupid ending or anything though. Keep it classic. No passin. No dyin.

[Aaron H]

Maybe end the film with Indy "dying" and after the credits show a shot that hints at the possiblity that he lived after all.
Trick the audience, so to speak.

[jones]

Now i'm gunna stay through all the credits lol!! I don't think The Big 3 would do that though. But it is a really cool idea. Cause most of the people don't stay through the credits and they would miss it. And I just don't think that'd happen. But even if that does happen it's not really a happy ending. Indy movies need the good happy endings! Like TOD and LC. I liked Raiders ending but it doesnt end really on a happy note. It makes you think.

[bob]

I really believe that the traditional endings will not work, as Indy is a reflection of the Pop Hero's of his day and the film will need to show the demise of the pulp hero and the Black and White World view.

Besides I dont know about any of you, but i want to see something relatively new. Not just another rehash of Raiders, as everyone knows the Formula, and the film has a good opportunity to say something.

[monkey]

Thanks QT for remembering something that I posted. And I stand by it.

I don't like too much about this whole Indy IV thing.

the 50's?, Indy with kids? Apocalyptic plot lines?

Where did Indiana Jones the 1930's action adventure hero go?

They can do what they want with Indy IV, and they can end it any way they want.

If they make this movie the way it appears they are going to make it, then as far as I'm concerned Indy's last adventure was, well...er.. The Last Crusade.

[jones]

I'm a lil worried too. But I have faith.

[jimmi]

i don't see how the whip to the camera would work. that would acknowledge there was a camera there and an audience following him. i can see it now, done with some OTT matrix style cinematography. i guess the most likely end, love it or hate it is the passing on the hat. it would put an end to indy's life as an adventurer though may set up a dodgy spin off series with his son bumbling around india in the 60s looking to find himself.

[Coldfyre]

I think the whip idea is stupid for the reason mentioned above. Besides, why would Indy whip an innocent camera? What did the cameraman do to him?? It's out of character. It's like the end of Super Metroid where Samus gives you a thumbs-up, then SHOOTS you. WTF??

[Edited by Coldfyre on 06-24-2002 at 02:58 AM]

[jones]

I want a classic ending. No surprises.

[Jones_86]

It's too bad LC can't finish up the series....riding off into the sunset was brilliant.....i wonder how they'll top that???

OUT

[jones]

I was thinking the same thing Jones_86. That was an awesome ending to end off the trilogy. That's why I keep saying, they don't need a surprise. They need an ending to finish it off. If this is infact the Last Indy. Like dying isn't the way to end a trilogy. Passing, eh it kinda would be a good way to end it, but in a way it's a really sucky ending(Let's not get into that subjet again). Wonder what they'll do.

[bob]

To be quite honest i agree with the Joneses I was quite happy with the ending of Last Crusade.
But hopefully they can try something outside the formula of the trilogy, i mean who really wants to see an Indy film which is a rip off of Raiders and LC, the formula worked well twice I do not think it would work well three times.

I say different times Different Indy, let Indy IV be the epliouge of Indy, i dont nessecerily want plot twists i just want something different.

Let Last Crusade be the end of the Indy of the Trilogy, just as Young Indy ended let the new post war Indy be something entirely different having different experiences.

[jones]

I want Indy IV tobe a part of the trilogy. Although it won't be called that anymore! It would be interesting to have 3 new Indy films when Harrison Ford is older now. Tat would be cool.

[wolfgang]

yeah jones...i dont mind if idy dies, or if he passes the whip if we have another triology :)

[Indyz Azn Gurl]

I don't think he's gonna die.
Didn't the timeline say something like he lived up to at least 1992?? And had an eyepatch?? :confused:

I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his eye in this film.

[jones]

He's not gunna die. No way. Ford said he enjoyed playing Indiana Jones more then any other character in his other movies. He wouldn't approve of the script if they kill him off. And it's just plain stupid to do that anyways.

[wolfgang]

I don't think he's gonna die.
Didn't the timeline say something like he lived up to at least 1992?? And had an eyepatch??

I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his eye in this film.

well in the script "the sword of author" he did lost an eye. i wont mind if he looses one but wouldnt he look like snake plitsken in "escape from new york"?

[jones]

I don't think it'll have any refrence to The YIJC. A lot of people havn't seen them. And wouldn't know. I really don't think they'll have any refrence to that.

[bob]

I dont think the Old Indy pieces are really offical now as they have been taken out, but that doesnt nescerilly have anything to do with it as it simply made the episodes tighter.

[Jones_86]

I agree. Indy can't die.

I remember reading an article here on theraider.net about why the Indy trilogy was so great. It mentioned the "pushing of the envelope." That's all I hope for in Indy IV. I don't want it to be too over-the-top or extreme(like the saucermen and monkey king stories.) If you remember, the Monkey King featured an extremely bizarre ending. I believe it "pushed the envelope" too far.


OUT

[wolfgang]

come on jones 86. spoil to me the monkey king ending. i ahvent read it yet. i would like to know what ending did the harry potter director gave our hero!!!

[bob]

That Monkey King script had some great ideas, but it just wasnt Indy there was a good idea then an abysmal idea. It was like Leonardo Di Vinci painting The Mona Lisa and then throwing manure over it!.

The ending should not have death in it in my opinion but something that brings the Indy Franchise to an (Symbolic or real end), because in five years time i do not want to be debating for an Indy V with harrision in it.
I dunno maybe the ending could just be Indy putting his fetora away or throwing it away, and then his son finds it and puts it in his pocket....
because i want to see Indy IV as the end of the adventures of Indiana Jones at least in the form that they are in at the moment, perhaps the franchise could be reborn with someone else playing Indy or the franchise reenvigorated by his son, but personally by the mid 50's it is not Indys world anymore, he by the 50's is a dinosaur.

[Tequileros]

This could be a very cool idea bob!

At the end of the movie, after going trough loads of dangerous situations that gave him loads of serious wounds, he trows his hat down to the hill and the fedora takes dust.

Now we can make Indiana Jones movies with another actor in another time set, maybe 2000.
In the beginning of the movie, a archeologist finds the hat at the bottom of the hill and a new hero is born!

[vornoff]

Originally posted by wolfgang
come on jones 86. spoil to me the monkey king ending. i ahvent read it yet. i would like to know what ending did the harry potter director gave our hero!!!

Indy died and was then brought back to life by the Monkey King.

btw The Monkey King script is not as sadly many believe a possible Indy 4 script, instead its a 15 year old script which was under consideration for Indy 3...

[wolfgang]

thanx a LOT vornoff. I havent read the script, but the end sounds like a prety good idea.

[jones]

Monkey King sounds a little childish. Not good enough for an Indy movie title in my opinion. I dont think he should pass it, die, or just throw his fedora away or anything. That wouldn't be a happy ending.

[Jones_86]

sorry wolfgang....i didn't want to spoil it...haha

To me it "pushed the envelope" too far...but i'm sure the combined powers of the big 3 will put together another classic....hey, if it's successful, i don't see why we can't see more Indy movies in the future like you've all said....thanks for listening

OUT

[Circe]

Americans are obsessed with happy endings. I personally think it would give Spielberg some artistic freedom to add a dramatic/bittersweet ending (it would be a bit more realistic too).

[Edited by Circe on 06-26-2002 at 11:51 PM]

[bob]

So many posts lost.....

Anyway I think that Indy IV should end Indys carrer as an archaeologist at least, or at least as the pulp hero. As surely we do not want Indy to be around in the 60's doing what he has always done. In Raiders we saw in Marcus a future Indy, more of an antiquarian than a field man.

However seeing GL's obsession with Mythic Hero's (shown in Star Wars and LC) we must see Indy redeem himself in some way, what i mean is that for instance in Raiders he gets nothing out of the adventure because he hadnt changed, in ToD he redeemed his sceptisim and indifference by embracing the Power of the Stones and freeing the sprogs, while in LC he had faith and saved his father. Now we will need to see something similar again if Indy is to end his carrer.
Although I'm probably reading too much into some films.

[jimmi]

well

how about it ends with the words

'to be continued...' in familiar indy style text.

[monkey]

Right on!! That's the spirit.

FINALITY, CLOSURE, FULL CIRCLE, be damned!!!

Indiana Jones lives forever!!! (not literally of course)

He lives forever in his time, in his world.

You're invited.

[dameain]

If you remember from YIJC in the 92 season. They had old Indy with a cane and eye patch, so he can't die, and maybe at the end of Indy 4 they will explain that.

[bob]

Well the old gezzer has vanished.
And all hero's end up with eye patches.

[jones]

I dont think it'll have any refrences to the YIJC

[bob]

I dont think the removal of Ye Olde Indy has anything to do with some sinister plot element in my opinion, more to shore up the plot.
I do not want to see any major YIJ homages, YIJ stripped away the mystery of Indy, and wiped out his personality.

[jones]

Also a lot of people aren't familiar with the YIJC. So it would just make no sense for them.

[Raffey]

However it is still possible with GL to make obscure references to things he has done in the past. He, SS, and his production loved doing those things.

For example, GL's dog actually being named Indy, the Star Wars references and others.

If this will be the last adventure it may pay homage to it all.

[jones]

They need something good to wrap it all up. I wana see 3 more sequels(including IJ4), with FORD at this age now. That'll be cool. Ford said recently too, ...`never say never`

[bob]

Three more sequels are you insane!!!

At the present rate (16 years) it would take 48 years for them to be made and Ford would be getting on for 110!, and the film would be set in 2009.

See you in 2050 then....:)

[jones]

Not nessicarliy. Do it like The Lord of the Rings. Film Indy 4 and 5 in 2004. IJ4 in summer 2005. IJ5 in summer 2006. inbetween that they do IJ6! for summer 2007 lol. I know its not gunna happen im just sayin it would be cool to have more then IJ4.

[torao]

no. i think one sequel is enough...really...

[bob]

If iam honest even if there were a way it could be done i do not want to see Indy carry on for much longer, as they were struggling for Ideas in the late 80's and the quality would deteriorate.

The only way i want to see an Indy V would be if it were an epiloge to Indy IV or a continuation of Indy IV.

[Randy_Flagg]

I'm predicting a really dark ending.
Indy, disillusioned by all the violence he has seen in the world, climbs up a bell tower with a machine gun and starts shooting the neighborhood. The police have him surrounded, but Marcus manages to convince the police not to kill him. Marcus climbs up the tower to talk to Indy, and tries to make him put down the gun.

"Why are you doing this, Indy?"

"The world is a bad place, Marcus. I've seen too much evil over the years. I'm purifying the world for us, Marcus! For the good people!"

"You've taken it too far, Indy. You shot Marian and Willie. Short Round too. They were good people like us."

Indy slumps down to the floor and starts to cry. Marcus reaches over and takes the gun away. "It's over now, Indy."

Several well-armed police reach the top of the tower and help Indy to his feet. Marcus watches as they escort him out. "It's over," he says again, and the credits roll.

[00Kevin]

doesn't bother me too much, as long as JW gives an amazing backgroud music for the end, and combined with the script, directing and acting, people come out of the theater thinking "WOW" or something like that, I'm okay

[Broomhandle Davis]

I'm predicting an alternatively dark ending that springboards into another set of sequels for...[secret released at bottom].

Indy, disillusioned by all the violence he has seen in the world, climbs up a bell tower with a machine gun and starts shooting the neighborhood. The police have him surrounded, but Marcus manages to convince the police not to kill him. Marcus climbs up the tower to talk to Indy, and tries to make him put down the gun.

"Why are you doing this, Indy?"

"The world is a bad place, Marcus. I've seen too much evil over the years. I'm purifying the world for us, Marcus! For the good people! Too many have been other than they seem."

"You've taken it too far, Indy. You shot Marian and Willie."

"No, it's been clear for some time that they were 'sleepers' planted by the NKVD."

"Short Round tipped me off." Indiana said wiping the dust off his hat.

"It's Elsa, I regret. She was a triple-agent pretending to work for both the Nazis and the Soviets, but really ultimately working for the Ukrainian Partisan Army.

Indy wiped his brow. The shadows seemed to get longer.

"Yes, I know you miss her." Marcus shook his head.

"If only she hadn't slipped carrying the masquerade to the limit."

"Yes, it is sad sometimes the way things work out."

"What have I always told you, Indy?" Marcus wagged his finger.

"To use my powers only for good, never for evil. Do you think anyone has figured out?"

"That you are really Lamont Cranston, the Shadow? Don't be silly. Only you know what evil lurks in the minds of men."

"It is a secret for which the world is not yet ready," Marcus added remembering his Arthur Conan Doyle.

They both nodded sagely and walked beyond the police lines.

[sequel to "The Shadow" which did lukewarm with Baldwin, but had potential.]

[Edited by Broomhandle Davis on 08-12-2002 at 08:25 pm]

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Randy_Flagg
I'm predicting a really dark ending.
Indy, disillusioned by all the violence he has seen in the world, climbs up a bell tower with a machine gun and starts shooting the neighborhood. The police have him surrounded, but Marcus manages to convince the police not to kill him. Marcus climbs up the tower to talk to Indy, and tries to make him put down the gun.

"Why are you doing this, Indy?"

"The world is a bad place, Marcus. I've seen too much evil over the years. I'm purifying the world for us, Marcus! For the good people!"

"You've taken it too far, Indy. You shot Marian and Willie. Short Round too. They were good people like us."

Indy slumps down to the floor and starts to cry. Marcus reaches over and takes the gun away. "It's over now, Indy."

Several well-armed police reach the top of the tower and help Indy to his feet. Marcus watches as they escort him out. "It's over," he says again, and the credits roll.


sorry if I sound rude but.........


THAT'S THE DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!!!!!!!!!

[jimmi]

Originally posted by bob
If iam honest even if there were a way it could be done i do not want to see Indy carry on for much longer, as they were struggling for Ideas in the late 80's and the quality would deteriorate.

The only way i want to see an Indy V would be if it were an epiloge to Indy IV or a continuation of Indy IV.

i agree with that. a back to futureesque continuation would work if they do it asap

[Randy_Flagg]

For those who may have missed the obvious:

My "dark ending" scenario was a JOKE! I think BroomhandleDavis got it though (and I like the twist he put on it.)

[bob]

I think that it would be good for this Indy film to have a larger scope so that it does not really have to follow the same formula (i.e Get mission from dodgy people, look for secondary item etc etc). Perhaps Indy could find the artifact at the end of the film but find out that it is only a cog in the great artifact, (in the immortal words of mr castro 'Indy save the world, the whole world'). Then a fifth film could have a lot more tension in it and act as an epilouge to the Indy series as a large 4 or 5 hour film would mean that there would be a lot more time for secondary activites to happen such as more scenes outside of action with Girl/Dad also it would allow people to be killed off.

Sadly I very much doubt this will happen.....

The closest we may ever get is a trilogy of Indy books.....

[Broomhandle Davis]

Originally posted by Randy_Flagg
For those who may have missed the obvious:

My "dark ending" scenario was a JOKE! I think BroomhandleDavis got it though (and I like the twist he put on it.)



Sometimes you have to talk v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y around here if you are making a joke. And maybe repeat yourself several times.

[vaxer]

Originally posted by Broomhandle Davis
Originally posted by Randy_Flagg
For those who may have missed the obvious:

My "dark ending" scenario was a JOKE! I think BroomhandleDavis got it though (and I like the twist he put on it.)



Sometimes you have to talk v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y around here if you are making a joke. And maybe repeat yourself several times.

:) Welcome to the forum of retards Broom :)
I don't think anyone took it seriously, well at least I hope...


[Edited by vaxer on 08-16-2002 at 02:02 am]

[jimmi]

indy was inspired by serials, so why make 2 indiana jones movies into a joing serial, where the beginning of indy5 takes place at the end of indy4. but i am probably getting ahead of myself.

[00Kevin]

the indy films shouldn't tie in to each other, they're not that kind of a series. don't worry about setting up a sequal, if it happens, it happens if it doesn't, you get the Idea

[jones]

I'll just be happy when IJ4 comes out. That's enough for me!

[bob]

It would be great too have a really long proper climax to the Indy series after 16 years of waiting.

[jones]

I just hope they don't try TOO hard to make everyone love it

[vaxer]

Originally posted by jones
I just hope they don't try TOO hard to make everyone love it

So do I, I hope it's not too child oriented. I hope that what happened for SW(E1) won't happen for IJ4.

[BananaJones]

Originally posted by Fanboy
I envision Indy walking up a long cliff, we see his profile, and then Indy quickly turns around and flashes the whip at the camera.....
Very nice ending, Fanboy.

I think continuity would be nice. Very similar to QueZTone
was saying. Have the old Indy pass the fedoral to his son/daughter, and have a different actor/actress play the role thus continuing the Jones saga. However, if he borne a daughter, it may be too closely similar to Relic Hunter. This is just my opinion, other possible endings provided in the topic are awesome. We''ll have to see what happens.....

[00Kevin]

you know, to tell you the truth, I would perhaps like the film done on the much greater budjet then it is intended.

compare the SW trilogy to the new ones
raiders to LC
goldfinger to Goldeneye

the older films, done at a low budjet, come out better, sometimes trying too hard is the ultimate flaw.

anywho, back to the topic, I think indy films should end more mysteriously lik in raiders, it just seems like that's how the film should end. but I don't know how to do that with out copying raiders.

[00Kevin]

okay, here's one. you know how indy loses the relic every film.

in raiders the government took it
in temple he gave it back to the villigers
in LC elsa droped it in the abyss/pit/hole ect. (the most widly used one in most films nowadays, expecially for bigfoot)

well, how shall he lose it in the end of indy 4?

I'm thinking, if it's something like the garden of Eden, indy will leave it and not tell anyone, this way it would not be flooded with people everyday. whadda you say?

[jones]

Originally posted by BananaJones
Originally posted by Fanboy
I envision Indy walking up a long cliff, we see his profile, and then Indy quickly turns around and flashes the whip at the camera.....
Very nice ending, Fanboy.

I think continuity would be nice. Very similar to QueZTone
was saying. Have the old Indy pass the fedoral to his son/daughter, and have a different actor/actress play the role thus continuing the Jones saga. However, if he borne a daughter, it may be too closely similar to Relic Hunter. This is just my opinion, other possible endings provided in the topic are awesome. We''ll have to see what happens.....
Would be WAY too close to Tomb Raider too. Everyone would think Indy is copying Tomb Raider then.

[jones]

Originally posted by vaxer
Originally posted by jones
I just hope they don't try TOO hard to make everyone love it

So do I, I hope it's not too child oriented. I hope that what happened for SW(E1) won't happen for IJ4. I agree but I don't think that will happen. Lucas didn't have all the technology he wanted while filming the original Star Wars movies. Star Wars is alot more based on CGI then Indy would ever be. Star Wars is more fantasy. Indy is mroe reality in my opinion.

[bob]

I seriously doubt that the whole child subplot will be too much, as if it was used it could like some plant take over the whole film, and it would be seen rightly as a gimmic to keep the Indy films churning out, if Indy has a child they can only be of two types really:
1.Indy II - Another Version of Indy
2. Completely different - this means that they will almost save Indys life

[BananaJones]

I dunno about this. In Last Crusade, Indy drank the holy water with Jesus' cup, therefore, he gets enternal life. So did Indy's dad. But I remember the last knight saying if you leave past the insigna on the ground, you'll forfeit enternal life. So if I'm wrong about this, it would be impossible for Indy to die. So death would be out of the question in Indy Four. Can someone clear this up for me? :confused:

[jones]

Well when Elsa crossed the thingy what ever it's called their mortal again. That's why Indy put the cup down first because it was meant to stay there. I'm sure if i'm wrong The Big Three aren't stupid enough to not realize it!

[Aaron H]

A paraphrase (and I stress paraphrase): "Who so ever passes the Great Seal forits eternal life, for it you want to stay alive for all eternity you must say here in my place...that is price of immortaliy."

[00Kevin]

he never said that,

he "but the grail cannot cross the great seal, that is the boundry, and the price of imortality"

he didn't say anything about staying or leaving

lemme guess, you just posted to see who would respond first

[BananaJones]

Since the cup passed the marker, and caused the destruction; so that means Indy and Henry Jones Sr. forfeit their enternal life thus making them mortal again?

[Aaron H]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
lemme guess, you just posted to see who would respond first

DARN IT! 00Kev is getting too smart! We must destroy him!:)
I said it was a paraphrase...but yes I did post to see who, if anyone, would remark about what I said.

[jones]

But since the cup croced the thingy on the floor, Indy and Henry are mortal again. Right Aaron?

[BananaJones]

Hello? I asked a question and nobody want to answer it? :( :( :(

[jones]

I think your right. They are mortal again. Otherwise there would be no point to make an Indy 4!

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Aaron H
DARN IT! 00Kev is getting too smart! We must destroy him!

and what better way then to make me watch Tomb Raider 50 times in a row :eek: :O :o :0

[00Kevin]

I always just thought they went off and lived happily ever after :eek: perhaps this topic shold be promoted to it's own thread, NAW!

[jones]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
Originally posted by Aaron H
DARN IT! 00Kev is getting too smart! We must destroy him!

and what better way then to make me watch Tomb Raider 50 times in a row :eek: :O :o :0 I have seen Tomb Raider 40 times!

[Aaron H]

Yes, Indy and Dad are mortal again.

[BananaJones]

Thanks Aaron and jones for answering my question. On a different topic, who in their right mind would watch Tomb Raider 40 to 50 times? :eek: :eek:
Is it because Jolie is in a tank top? :confused: :confused:

[jones]

Well I am obsessed with her and Tomb Raider so thats why for me lol

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by jones
Originally posted by 00Kevin
Originally posted by Aaron H
DARN IT! 00Kev is getting too smart! We must destroy him!

and what better way then to make me watch Tomb Raider 50 times in a row :eek: :O :o :0 I have seen Tomb Raider 40 times!

traitor...

*turns to others*

and what do we do with witches?

BURN EM! BURN EM ALREADY BURN EM!!!!!!!!!!

and what also burns apart from witches?

MORE WITCHES!!!!!

[00Kevin]

forget eliminating me! ELIMINATE JONES!

and what better way then to make him watch "THE STAR WARS HOLIDAY SPECIAL" 100 times?

:D

[jones]

Uh oh now I have everyone against me! Before everyone hates me LET ME SPEAK lol. Of coarse the Indy movies are A LOT better than Tomb Raider. TR is justa fun action movie. The IJ movies are fun QUALITY action/advnture movies. I like movies with no good plot too because they're still fun to watch. But the Indy movies are by far better then TR. And I have seen them more than TR lol. Okay now everyone trash lol... Oh yeah `you know who you are` dont tell everyone my IM name!! They wont like that eaither!

[BananaJones]

Hey jones, I must apologize for causing everyone to trash you because of your infatuation with Tomb Raider. Still, i still can't imagine watching TR 50 times!!!! Once is enough for me.:) Hey whatever floats your boat, dude.

[jones]

40!

[Aaron H]

Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb and tell you all how the film is going to end.
Are you ready?




Just checking...





Really, really sure you want to spoil the end already?







Okay, I warned you!








The ending of Indiana Jones IV will be: Credits and music!

Okay, truth of the matter is that the ending is in limbo. The film could go one of three ways...there are a few other ways, but these are the ones being considered.
1. Indy's treasure is lost, again, and he goes off on another adventure. (prehaps a setup for V?)
2. Indy...gasp!...dies.:eek: (ending the films for all time)
3. Indy "passes" the whip and hat on to offspring. (another setup for V?)

Will they come to pass? Who knows...execpt the Shadow!...err...I mean, who knows execpt Lucas. And even then I'm not sure if he knows where he wants to take the series.

[jones]

I'd prefer the first one! But we know Indy won't die. It just can't happen. Or Ford wouldn't do the movie. And Ford said he will not pass it on to a son or a daughter. Soo..?

[bob]

I personally believe that it is an over simplification to simply list 3 factors I too doubt that Indy would be killed off, however I believe that Henry will either at the end or at the beginning of an adventure.

The ending of the Indy series need not be so blatent, so that it is paraded in 50 ft letters with Neon lighting announccing the end of the Indy series but I would imagine something symbolic at the end of the series to draw a sense of finality for the character.

[jones]

Nahh I still think Henry wont die. I'm not saying he took over Indy 3 because he didn't IMO, but if he wasn't in Indy 3 it wouldn't be as popular AT ALL.

[bob]

You must admit though that out of the supporting cast that we know of from past films Henry is the most likely to go.

[jones]

I don't think just cause he's old he would be #1 to go.

[BananaJones]

IMO Henry will die in Indy 4. Why? in LC the chemistry between Ford and Connery is so great, that made the movie. So the chemistry between the father and son will continue, the mini-bickering going on between them; but Henry dies at the end. It would be a great ending of the series when Henry reconizes and acknowledge Indy's place in the world of archeology.

PS If you are confused by this. Please ignore this for I'm a bit confused too, cause I have no f*cking idea how to explain my opinion

[bob]

Henrys death would serve as a good start to the adventure with Indy taking on his fathers unfinished work (which makes Eden fit in well). However I am just drawing on what someone or other offical person said that Henry would have some role integral to the plot and I really doubt that Henry would be dragged along on another adventure.

[00Kevin]

yes, they need a really good reason for him to come along, otherwise his role is similarto that of Marcas' in raiders, just their at the begining and end, breaifly, like a mission breifing,

not unlike M from the bond series.

[00Kevin]

as for him dieing off, I don't like that, he brought a lot to the series, even if he plays a smaller role, just don't kill him off

[Indy's Hat]

...that Marcus Brody (Denholm Elliot) is not still with us. It will be a sordid affair without Marcus hamming it up :)

However, Willie Scott will be reappearing, so maybe the end has something to do with their relationship...

Maybe Indiana Jones actually fails to recover an artefact and the museum director shoots him?? :D :D

I'd imagine the end will be closed, but left with Indiana Jones still going... I mean, that way, people don't have to cry because he finally retired, and fans can just sit back and imagine his future exploits. Of course, making it clear the adventure is over would need to be made clear, but I thought that IJATLC did it well. That would have been a great final ending... but it obviously wasn't...

Did that make sense? :D

[bob]

I'am a big fan of the actual stories of Indiana Jones not so much his character or his exploits but the artifacts that he is after, which have never been very well explained in any of the Indy films.

I do like action though but only when it compliments the plot and is actually exciting and most of all DIFFERENT!

[00Kevin]

I gotchya, well said

[jones]

I agree with `sorry forgot who said it` that Henry should NOT die because he brought A LOT to the series. And Indy shouldn't retire at the end of Indy 4. That would suck the fun out of it all!

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
Originally posted by jones
Originally posted by 00Kevin
Originally posted by Aaron H
DARN IT! 00Kev is getting too smart! We must destroy him!

and what better way then to make me watch Tomb Raider 50 times in a row :eek: :O :o :0 I have seen Tomb Raider 40 times!

traitor...

*turns to others*

and what do we do with witches?

BURN EM! BURN EM ALREADY BURN EM!!!!!!!!!!

and what also burns apart from witches?

MORE WITCHES!!!!!

Speaking of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, has anybody ever noticed how it has some odd parallels with Indy (Crusade in particular). (BTW, this is meant to be a joke but it is pretty weird).

- Involves a search for the Holy Grail
- Scene with a bridge (Tod)
- father character with a Scottish accent
- dashing character rescues someone from a castle
- take place about a thousand years apart

there's more but it's been a long day, and I can't think of any others (wait there was that killer rabbit in FoA - just kidding).

But seriously, all the Indy movies had a different sort of ending: mysterious (Ark in the warehouse), happy (celebration in Indian village), and heroic (riding off into the sunset). I think some sort of melancholy, sentimental ending, with Indy looking back on his life and coming to realize that his type of person just doesn't fit into society anymore, and his adventures will have to come to an end, leaving him to take Marcus's old job (we have to accept that he'll have to die sooner or later, following in the steps of Anna Jones, Mrs. Seymour, and Indiana [the dog]), or just resign to teaching...or something.

[00Kevin]

none of them take place about 100 yrs ago

LC- 1938, hmmm 60+ yrs, so much for edjucation

Holy grail - somthing like 92 to the second power

I'll let youu think up that one :D

[00Kevin]

hmmm, back to the topic

I could see that happening, but of corse, we shouldn't do it in indy 4 just in case there is a 5, but it's deffinitly a good Idea.


BTW atilla, you arn't the same guy from indy-web are you? Sorry, just curious, It's been bugging me.

[Finn]

<i>Attila</i> vs. <i>Antilla</i> ... hmm, I don´t think so.

But, anyway...

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=363 :p

[jones]

I still don't want him to retire lol

[bob]

Well the adventuring game isnt what it once was in the 1950's, if he doesnt retire he could be made redundant soon....

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by FinnJones
<i>Attila</i> vs. <i>Antilla</i> ... hmm, I don´t think so.

But, anyway...

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=363 :p

I didn't think it was so.....

.....again, they'll never win

[00Kevin]

naw, I don't think retireing is good, I mean, that ruins the chance of more adventures, in movies, games, comics....... everything can only go up to a certain point........

[jones]

I still think it would suck the fun out of watching the movies too, cause like knowing he's gunna retire. That aint no fun!!

[BananaJones]

Indy's retiring? where's the retirment party? maybe that's why rumors of Marion and Willie might be on the movie.

[Indy's Hat]

Indy's retiring? where's the retirment party? maybe that's why rumors of Marion and Willie might be on the movie.

HAHAHA!! Maybe the retirement party is how it all ends. That would be a huge kick-in-the-balls for Indyfans everywhere!!! :D:D

[00Kevin]

I say NO! to Issue 4, BAN retirement!!!!! :D

[BananaJones]

Indy won't retire.... He just hanging his fedora to air out his head.

[bob]

Indy cannot retire as he doesnt have an offical job!

Doesnt anyone remember the beginning of Infernal Machine? when Indy has retired from adventuring? more like that (this post has been around for so long that iam sure Iam repeating myself!)

[00Kevin]

keep goning bob! let's get 10 pages :D

[BananaJones]

He not retiring cuz I think he's an andereline junkie, he lives for the adventure.

[bob]

Im afraid that Indy isnt real.....

Despite what the realites may be if he were to exist, we have to consider thematic thingys and sunsets etc.

[00Kevin]

hmmmmmmmm,

well said, I think

:D

[BananaJones]

Originally posted by bob
Im afraid that Indy isnt real.....

Despite what the realites may be if he were to exist, we have to consider thematic thingys and sunsets etc.

Indy isn't real? What??? then who has Harrison Ford been playing???????

Omigosh!!!!! We have seen dead people, guys. I think we're really dead!!!!

[00Kevin]

calm down bannana, it's true, indiana jones is a work of fiction, Sheesh, you almost said it as if you ment it, no, not really

[jones]

I'm tryin to make 10!

[00Kevin]

make 10 ...... ????????????????

[BananaJones]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
make 10 ...... ????????????????

Hahahahaha!!! I'm confused too.....
jones, would you be kind enough to clear that up for all of us who don't understand a darn thing from you?:):):)

[jones]

THE 10TH PAGE!!

[BananaJones]

OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

[bob]

I never knew this post (my baby that i posted back in the heedy days when England was still in the World Cup!) would grow so large!

[BananaJones]

We love your thread, bob.

[00Kevin]

what bannana means is, we love to go Off Topic with your thread


j/k :D

[00Kevin]

<big><big><big><big><big><big>

10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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congrads bob, you got the first 10 page thread on indy 4 for months! since last year in fact

the only others to get 10 pages:

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=849

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=363

look at the second one i listed, it is the same topic as this thread!

[BananaJones]

Let's raise a beer to bob, (raises a pint of Molson Canadian;))

Congratulation bob for reaching a milestone in The Raven forum history.

[EvilDevo]

anyone remember the tv show hercules: legendary journeys? (now theres something i wouldnt mind on dvd) anyway, on the very last episode, hercules and iolaus talked about retiring from the hero business and calling er quits. they defeated the enemy one last time, saved the girl (or town - cant remember what it was about exactly) and then sat down in the last 2 minutes and started talking like "well, thats it... how does it feel? etc etc" then silence for a couple seconds. right after that, they both got up and started discussing rumours of monsters roaming the land... evil warlords etc, and decided to keep on going as heroes. anyway, my point is, thats exactly how i want indy to end... even if its the last time we ever see indy again. i want it to go on as if he has 100 more adventures to see. no passing the fedora, no dying, no retirement... just letting indy live on in our memories, just like we want to remember him.

[jones]

Yehhh no dying or retireing!

[Jones_86]

[attempting to stretch this post toward 11 pages...]

anyone remember the ending to the Mask of Zorro?? A dark silhouette of presumably zorro walks toward the white background, turns around and carves a 'Z' into the screen. I think it would be cool to end INDY IV sorta like that...maybe you guys can build on that...

OUT

[BananaJones]

Fanboy already had that idea on the first page.

[bob]

I'm so proud of my brave thread.....!!!!

Cant we have a recap on this thread about what has been said and what we have reached on this? as this thread must be horrifying for a newbie...

[Indy 4]

I think Indy IV may end with Indiana Jones possibly dying in an attempt to save the world. As much as I dislike the idea, this is my guess as to what will happen.
The reasons why I think Indiana Jones may end this way because first of all George Lucas is big into mythology, and if look at all the BIG mythic heroes like Hercules and other heroes they all died at the conclusion of the stories. So if Lucas chooses to make Indy like a mythic hero he may end up dying.
Second the old Indy is not to be seen ANYWHERE in the YIJC vhs tapes. The only one that has an "older" Indy is the beginning of Secret of the Blues, which has Harrison Ford playing Indy. There is some reason why Lucas had the old Indy with the cane and eye patch take out. Maybe will find out why.
Third in TOD, after Willie told Indy he may die if he went down to retrieve the stones, Indy told her,"maybe, but not today." Now this quote the dangers Indy faces in his adventures may hint at him possibly dying.
Although I dislike the idea of having Indy die at the end of the series. If has a heroic death, it may not end so gloomy. It would have to be similar in a way to Gandalf's supposed death in the Lord of the Rings.

[Finn]

:D

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=363&pagenumber=4&postid=37433#post37433

[Indy 4]

Originally posted by FinnJones
:D

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=363&pagenumber=4&postid=37433#post37433

LOL! :D

Who knows maybe the stress would kill him first. :D :D

[bob]

I think Indy was removed from YIJ for reasons of story than any sinister conspiracy.

I think Indy must see that something has changed either in the world or in himself that does not allow him to go on....Death I think (Although I have speculated on it) is unlikely for Indy as Indy films are crowd pleasers essentially

However I think that Henry will die....

[Jones_86]

sorry about the stealing of an idea...i knew i had heard that idea before...
I agree that YIJC should be separte from the films
OUT

[BananaJones]

What the topic again, and how does it connect with Young Indy Chronicles?

[EvilNazi]

Indy can't die. Not just because i don't want him to. In the Adventures of Young Indiana Jones there is always the old Jones telling the story of his young days, so he can't die. Maybe it is shown how he loses his eye.
Indy was born in 1899, so in 1950 he will be 51 and so on.

but maybe as you say the series is not the movie world. i just like the YIJ adventures because they remind me when i was about 6 years old and i watched the episodes shown for the fisrt time in argentina.

[Edited by EvilNazi on 09-07-2002 at 04:11 pm]

[IndyCritic]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
<big><big><big><big><big><big>

10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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congrads bob, you got the first 10 page thread on indy 4 for months! since last year in fact


I could have beaten that record if the admins wouldn't close or delete mine :(

[jones]

He wont die, it's a stupid idea, everyone would HATE it AND them. Ford wouldn't do the movie if they killed him off too.

[BananaJones]

Originally posted by jones
He wont die, it's a stupid idea, everyone would HATE it AND them. Ford wouldn't do the movie if they killed him off too.

I agree. I echo your statement, Ford would never do a Indy movie that kills him off. He's too damn smart for that cuz he could never be the box office superstar he is now if he didn't do Indy. So if he did do the death of Indy, he would disrespect and destroy the character that made him one of the best action heroes in cinemia history.
(In a recent poll, Indy came first and Solo came fifth) Therefore, I doubt Indy will die.

[IndyCritic]

Ford really doesn't care about popularity or the box office. He is a private person who just does his job. If it does well, that is only a bonus to him. The most important thing is his personal satisfaction. I'd figure he would want Indy to die so the fans don't nag him about a sequel.

[BananaJones]

Originally posted by IndyCritic
Ford really doesn't care about popularity or the box office. He is a private person who just does his job. If it does well, that is only a bonus to him. The most important thing is his personal satisfaction. I'd figure he would want Indy to die so the fans don't nag him about a sequel.

Dang it!!!
I'm pretty freakin' correct, you are (sofa king) ANTI-INDY.
Man... why you think the entire opposite, when we want more Indy movies and you don't.


As for "Ford doesn't care about the box office" Did I say Ford cares? Read again... I'm saying that Ford is a recognizable star, he immortalized Indy and Han Solo. I think he does care about the characters he play, not the box office. If he does a character where nobody expects him to do,(ex. Indy dying) I bet he'll lose his box office clout, and no movie companies will pay him 20 million to do their movies, because he losts his box office clout which means less money to makeup for the shortfall of production costs.

Feel free to shoot me, I could care any less if you bash me. I'm just expressing my thoughts on this.

[bob]

Originally posted by IndyCritic
Ford really doesn't care about popularity or the box office. He is a private person who just does his job. If it does well, that is only a bonus to him. The most important thing is his personal satisfaction. I'd figure he would want Indy to die so the fans don't nag him about a sequel.

Ford would not want Indy to die simply for the reasons of fans! how many of us have ever pestered him asking him?
If Indy will die and that is a big if it would be the decision ultimately of the Big Three and as they see the Indy films as primarily crowd pleasers i just cannot see them killing him unless it is a really good idea behind it!

[jones]

And it would be the stupidest ending in movie history. We've been waiting for this movie for over 10 years, fans aren't gunna wana go to see him die.

[bob]

Originally posted by jones
And it would be the stupidest ending in movie history. We've been waiting for this movie for over 10 years, fans aren't gunna wana go to see him die.

I partially agree with you but surely it cannot be ruled out completely....
As I would like to see that Indy is mortal and the characters around him

[Indy 4]

I'm hoping Indy won't die. Even though I think he might, and I SURE would LOVE to see more Indy sequals as much as the next Indy fan would. However I think this is Ford's, Lucas's, and Spielbergs's last Indy film.:(
I just hope it goes out in a VERY good way. I also don't want to see the Indy character ending up being played by different actors like with the James Bond series. But I think we won't be dissapointed in the finale of the the Indiana Jones series. :)

[bob]

Originally posted by Indy 4
I'm hoping Indy won't die. Even though I think he might, and I SURE would LOVE to see more Indy sequals as much as the next Indy fan would. However I think this is Ford's, Lucas's, and Spielbergs's last Indy film.:(
I just hope it goes out in a VERY good way. I also don't want to see the Indy character ending up being played by different actors like with the James Bond series. But I think we won't be dissapointed in the finale of the the Indiana Jones series. :)



I would just like to see some sort of conclusion/closure to the character.

[Indy 4]

Maybe Indiana Jones might get married, and passes on the fedora to another younger friend of his, like Short Round. That may be a good way to close the Indiana Jones series.

[bob]

For me I dont really want anything major to happen to Indiana Jones, i mean marraige for me is not part of Indiana Jones.

All I want him to do is to realise that he is getting older and the world isnt really as black and white as he had always seen it, perhaps with him walking off alone into the Sunset. I mean to hand down the Hat for me would just be a little pointless as Indy is so much more than a Hat. Besides in the semi modern world we dont call people like Indy heroes we call them robbers. Indy is not the Green Lantern he cant just pass the buck to someone else, it is his job really, the fact that he saves the world is consequential at the end of the day...

[Pale Horse]

What if there is uncertainty about his death as in the movie "Shane" where the wounded hero rides off into the sunset?

[FordFan]

I think that by killing off Indy, the Three are taking a risk in that they're risking alienating half the audience. They would leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. Here are some things that I think could be good in Indy 4:

*Indiana Jones has to give the villain the BIGGEST "BITCH-SLAP" EVER IN FILM HISTORY. The villain has captured Indy, and telling him his plan (very evil). Then the villain kind of gives him a look that suggests "What do you think about THAT?" And then Jones lets him have it. That would be hilarious, and the audience would clap, and make "oooh" sounds.

*Henry Jones Sr. can't die. Maybe if the chemistry between the two was horrible, okay. But audiences thought Ford and Connery got along well together, and after all this time I want to see them together again.

*Frank Darabont is writing the screenplay, and I think that both of his masterpieces ended well. Shawshank pointed that Andy Dufresne lived a happy and fulfilling life after his imprisonment, and in Green Mile the eternal life thing isn't necesarily a good thing for Paul Edgecomb. He'll bring up some good ideas too.

*Did anyone ever see The Phantom with Billy Zane? It's pretty corny crap, but I always thought that it could be molded into an excellent Indy movie. If it was more mature and didn't have the Phantom. I'd like the idea that no one knows where Indiana Jones is and that as far as locals are concerned, he's a myth. Whenever a robber is trying to take an artifact from its holy resting place, *WHACK!* Indy comes out of nowhere with his bullwhip and sends em running.

*There could be some funny interplay by showing an "out-of-touch" Indy trying to learn how to use the whip again. That could provide some funny moments, but I don't know. I think Indy should be like Sean Connery from The Rock. You give him a weapon, and he's ready to kick ass. That'd be a lot better than seeing a clumsy Indy, in my opinion.

Just my two cents.

[bob]

I have to disagree with you about Henry, is he has a role above a cameo that is important to the plot it is either him tagging along (unlikely as Henry by 50's is 80!). So i think he should die, it could send Indy on another adventure

[FordFan]

I think the threat of Henry Sr. dying could put the film in motion. Maybe Indy has to find something to help his ailing father.

[Indy_Jr]

Hi im new here but i have a good ending.

I see the torch passing to somone els. Is he going to have a son in this one? well if he does then i think it should be him,but whoever it will i bei think the end should be the passing of the torch and how it should start is the kid going on the andventure with them and figures out alot of things. and then at the end b4 the credits roll Indy decides to retire. as the last shot they show him and his son talking about the Indy jr takeing his place and as the last line the Indy jr says "i dont think ill be good at it" and indy says "kid you will be great". i dont think they should try and make more movies but instead try a book series. and if evryone likes that make movies about it i mean how bad can it be having indy retire? i would not like it if they killed him i have a hard time waching the movies knowing hes going to die. i dunno thats my 2 cents.

[Aaron H]

Okay, here's an idea that just came to me.
In the end of the film Indy barely comes out of his adventure alive and the sidekick/enemy (son, daughter, other "young adult") stands in front of him. Indy takes off his fedora and says something to the extent of: "We/You lost today kid, but that doesn't mean we/you have to like it." Indy can then cover the camera with the fedora, and the credits roll.

[bob]

I read the above two posts with interest but i think that we are taking the symbol of the Fedora too far, Indy is not a Superhero the hat is whatever we want it to be.
The world esps the post war world does not really need an Indy and i would like to see this as the subtext of Indy IV..post WWII there is no longer a place for mavarick adventurers like Indy...

[Broomhandle Davis]

Originally posted by bob
...post WWII there is no longer a place for mavarick adventurers like Indy...

(sigh)How true.

[Attila the Professor]

We shouldn't have the passing on the hat & the whip thing.

If it has anything to do with the end of Indy's adventures (which it probably should), it should be something with Indy coming to terms with how the world has changed - look at what has happened in his life, in the adventures we know, and what probably happened in between. BTW, I don't want the eyepatch.

-Marcus has died
-He has reconciled with his father
-WWII has come and gone
-The new evil doesn't believe in mystical artifacts
-The age of adventure is over
-there's not much more to discover
-He's found Atlantis, both Arks, the Grail, the Philosopher's stone, a dinosaur, the Garden of Eden, other lost cities, an alternate dimension, 2 different interior worlds, etc, etc.
-He's met most of the important people of the day: Hitler, Churchill, de Gaulle, Gershwin, Al Capone, Ho Chi Minh, Lenin, you know the rest
-He's been just about everywhere
-He's lost many of his friends: Wu Han, the aforementioned Marcus, Jack Shannon was probably killed, same with Shorty and Remy
-He's been unable to have a lasting romantic relationship
-He's enemies are dead: Belloq, Nazis, tribal cults have disappeared
-He'll be suspected as a Communist
-Instead of artifacts, nuclear technology is the ultimate power
-He's considerably older ("getting too old for this stuff")
-He thinks he has no lasting legacy
-He's confronted death again and again and has come to accept it

Maybe instead of riding off into the sunset, he should walk off into the sunrise, to symbolizing the changed world.

[bob]

I couldnt agree more Attila. The fact is that i see Indy IV as one last adventurer for Indy, the Fedora and the Whip will just be put away in a box along with the Grail Diary etc, time runs out for an Indy type hero in 1939 really, Indy by the 50's is very much a fish out of water.

The era of Indy is over, and the film should adress this. There will be no sucsession to his mantle, Indy must really setttle down and find a different role for himself.

[FordFan]

I can guarantee you that Indiana Jones won't be passing down the fedora nor will he be slowing down and retiring from archaeology. I'm not announcing that I've heard anything, but...trust me.

[00Kevin]

fine by me

I agree, I don't want to see indy retire, and no eyepatch please

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Indy_Jr
Hi im new here but i have a good ending.

I see the torch passing to somone els. Is he going to have a son in this one? well if he does then i think it should be him,but whoever it will i bei think the end should be the passing of the torch and how it should start is the kid going on the andventure with them and figures out alot of things. and then at the end b4 the credits roll Indy decides to retire. as the last shot they show him and his son talking about the Indy jr takeing his place and as the last line the Indy jr says "i dont think ill be good at it" and indy says "kid you will be great". i dont think they should try and make more movies but instead try a book series. and if evryone likes that make movies about it i mean how bad can it be having indy retire? i would not like it if they killed him i have a hard time waching the movies knowing hes going to die. i dunno thats my 2 cents.

interesting, BTW, welcome to the raven!

and bob, KEEP IT GOING! less then 30 to go until you break 200! :D

[Broomhandle Davis]

Will this pathetic thread never end?

I feel it is being kept alive by artificial means.

This is how it all will end, not with a bang, but a whimper.

[Attila the Professor]

This is a good topic. If anything, we should start a new thread, beginning with summarizing what has already been said on the topic.

[bob]

Originally posted by Attila the Professor
This is a good topic. If anything, we should start a new thread, beginning with summarizing what has already been said on the topic.

Thanks for Volenteering although really i feel everything had been said on this topic that will be said and everyone who will comment on it has ad infinitum.

I dunno maybe the mods should archive any thread that goes above 150 posts.....for prosterity and to stop it becoming an uber post as newbies and me certainly will never ever post another thread like this it is so scary that it must be added to.

[FordFan]

The film will go out with a whimper? What the hell are you talking about man? Why don't you have hopes for it?

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by bob
Originally posted by Attila the Professor
This is a good topic. If anything, we should start a new thread, beginning with summarizing what has already been said on the topic.

Thanks for Volenteering although really i feel everything had been said on this topic that will be said and everyone who will comment on it has ad infinitum.

I dunno maybe the mods should archive any thread that goes above 150 posts.....for prosterity and to stop it becoming an uber post as newbies and me certainly will never ever post another thread like this it is so scary that it must be added to.


Interesting thought (preserving for posterity thing). And you'll probably start at least another thread like this, many people will. Newbies aren't excluded from my theory either, they often shed new light on subjects (acting like the veteran I am and am not - joined recently, have frequented the Raven since it was opened).

[Indy_Jr]

Hi.

You know after i think about it i think youre right.
i dont want to see him retire.......... but,there is not much stuff to do with arceology after WWII.
I dont want him to die for sure!!!
i would hate that.
And whats this about a eye pach?
I want it to end with a big bang.
I want it to be cool and have a good story thats all.

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by Indy_Jr
Hi.

You know after i think about it i think youre right.
i dont want to see him retire.......... but,there is not much stuff to do with arceology after WWII.
I dont want him to die for sure!!!
i would hate that.
And whats this about a eye pach?
I want it to end with a big bang.
I want it to be cool and have a good story thats all.





In the Young Indiana Jones TV show, there was an old Indy that narrated the stories. He had an eyepatch.

[Indy_Jr]

Oh was he played by Harrison Ford?

[Attila the Professor]

No, he was played by George Hall. Harrison Ford was in played a 51 yr. old Indy in Mystery of the Blues, but that's all - no eyepatch.

[Attila the Professor]

Ok, here are some of the ideas that have shown up:

-No Indy IV
-Indy dies doing any old thing (whipping across a gap)
-Indy dies saving the world
-Indy dies trying to save himself
-Indy saves the world w/o death
-Indy goes up in a blaze of glory (nuclear explosion or something)
-Indy dies saving his friends
-Indy retires
-Indy takes a new profession (no more adventures)
-the world has changed, Indy sees he doesn't fit in anymore (like how some Westerns ended - the frontier's been tamed, pardner)
-Indy whips the camera
-Indy walks off into sunset
-Indy rides off into sunset by himself
-Indy with the rest of the cast riding into sunset (like LC)
-Indy gets married to Marion, Willie, or Sophia
-Indy gets married to an old flame, introduced just for the film
-Indy gets married to a new character just for the film
-Pass down the hat & the whip
-Some other character could die (Marcus, Henry, or Sallah)
-Losing an eye (to account for the eyepatch)
-Indy continues to have adventures
-Indy dies and comes back to life (fulfilling the hero requirement of going to the underworld and returning)
-Redemption
-Indy becomes like Marcus, maybe taking his job as curator of the museum ("5 years ago I would have gone after it myself")
-"to be continued"
-more sequels with HF
-a series with other actors
-Randy_Flagg's idea with Indy shooting up the neighborhood, upset over the violence, having shot Marion, Willie, and Short Round, Marcus talks to him, Indy slumps to the floor and cries, and the police apprehend the crazed former adventurer (which, even though it was a joke, actually has a strange appeal to me)
-Or, in other words, Indy goes crazy
-Indy goes crazy and must pay for it
-Make it a prequel
-Make a 2-part film
-Sappy, happy ending (won't work)
-Indy/museum gets to keep the artifact
-Indy has a kid
-Indy gets rid of the fedora and somebody finds it years later
-Something after the credits
-Open ended - Indy may have died, may not have, the viewer makes their own decision
-Indy goes off on another adventure
-Indy decides to be a "normal" archaeologist going on digs minus the adventure
-Indy resigns to teaching archaeology
-Indy becomes dean of Barnett
-Indy heads the archaeology department at Barnett
-Indy does some T.E. Lawrence thing and gives up his persona, and joins the army or something
-Indy fails to recover an artifact and the museum director shoots him
-Indy considers retiring but then decides to keep on adventuring (yeah, yeah, I know its not a word)
-Indy sees good & evil aren't black & white anymore, and retires from public life (remember the guy in the one "find a weapon" house in Desktop Adventures, who was an old friend of Henry - something like that)
-Indy goes into business - "Indy's Cafe Americaine" (sp.?)
-Indy must pay for being a grave robber
-Indy sells his life story to Hollywood [forgive me, I've been working on this post so long I think I'll sell it to Hollywood]
-Shane - Indy is wounded and rides into sunset
-High Noon - Indy sees the world doesn't want/like/appreciate him anyore, so he drops the fedora/whip/whatever and turns and leaves
-Similar to the eyepatch, Indy loses his hand or something
-Indy does the exact same thing as Fedora at the end of the Young Indy sequence (only passing on version I like, actually)
-the new evil doesn't believe in mystical artifacts, so Indy has no place in the world
-he's found everything there is to find, so Indy has no place in the world
-the gear is put away in a box, and Indy buries it, or puts it in his attic, or drops it into the ocean, or burns it, or whatever
-Indy finds immortality, and has infinite adventures
-Indy's soul is corrupted, and is killed
-Indy's soul is corrupted, and becomes a villain (the nudge to make him like Belloq)
-Indy looks at the sunset/night sky, and you see him in silhouette
-Indy starts a new adventure, outside a cave, says "I love this part", and walks into the darkness
-Field of Dreams - Indy walks into a cave, and disappears
-A prequel that ends where ToD begins
-Indy has a heart attack after a big fight scene
-We see old Jones telling his grandchildren stories
-We see old Jones telling anybody stories
-Citizen Kane - ends with an older Jones dying, and than we see what advventure he's last words had to do with

Good God {Yes, that's just what the Hebrews thought}, that was a long list - took about an hour to go through the Indy IV ending threads - and no one else was at the Raven...

So anyway, I personally feel (to make a generalization out of the 68 or so options on the list) there are only 2 things that can happen - Indy retires, or Indy dies - that I would be happy with - it should have finality, it should have closure, it should fit the hero/legend mold, which leads me to my next post in this thread...

[Edited by Attila the Professor on 11-07-2002 at 08:08 pm]

[Attila the Professor]

After you've gone through my previous post, here's something else: let's take a look at some other classic heroes, and see how their story ends. I'll start it off.

Sherlock Holmes (similar to Indy, with many different adventures) - retires to the solitude of the south coast of England,to study philosophy

Heracles (similar to Indy, not immortal, but completes important quests) - dies from a poisoned robe

Don Quixote (similar to Indy, a scholar disguised as a knight - this bears examination, if somebody knows anything about Quixote [I don't, I'm taking this one from an encyclopedia], they should start a thread) - returns home and sadly wakens from his magnificent aberrations

I'm sure, that among others, we should take a look at King Arthur, some other Arthurian knights, Beowulf, some Tolkein, Odysseus, Gilgamesh, some Western heroes, and whatever else we think of.

If the mods think this should be a new thread instead of a post, that's fine by me.

[bob]

Originally posted by Attila the Professor
After you've gone through my previous post, here's something else: let's take a look at some other classic heroes, and see how their story ends. I'll start it off.

Sherlock Holmes (similar to Indy, with many different adventures) - retires to the solitude of the south coast of England,to study philosophy

Heracles (similar to Indy, not immortal, but completes important quests) - dies from a poisoned robe

Don Quixote (similar to Indy, a scholar disguised as a knight - this bears examination, if somebody knows anything about Quixote [I don't, I'm taking this one from an encyclopedia], they should start a thread) - returns home and sadly wakens from his magnificent aberrations

I'm sure, that among others, we should take a look at King Arthur, some other Arthurian knights, Beowulf, some Tolkein, Odysseus, Gilgamesh, some Western heroes, and whatever else we think of.

If the mods think this should be a new thread instead of a post, that's fine by me.

Great Post Attila!

I think that Sherlock Holmes is the father of pulp heroes and action heroes. The ultimate Fate of Sherlock Holmes is unknown he does not die he is immortal, however his final adventure was to fight German Spies (in 1914) facing something larger than he ever had before and for the first time giving a patriotic speech (links to Indy). But what Holmes will always be remembered for is his 10 year 'death' he tumbled over the Reichenbek falls with Professor Moriarty the master Criminal of course no bodies were ever found, but I think that something like this wouldnt be a bad way for Indy to go if he was fighting an ultimate evil and the fact that there is no body which means no deathbed scene would mean that it could fit into an action film.

Greek Mythology: I would like to bring in Uylsess rather than Herclues he dies when he is elderly from being attacked by a wild boar after all his adventuring days - old Indy killed by muggers then?

Kind Arthur is mortally wounded with a battle with his brother (hint hint) Mordread he kills Mordread and saves England but he is mortally wounded. He instructs one of the few surviving Knights to throw Excalibar into the lake it is taken back by the Lady of the Lake, and King Arthur is taken by Druids to the Isle of Avalon where he will return to be the once and future King. In reference to Indy however this is highly fanciful but at a more allegorical level this could occur.

Tolkiens Heros are very difficult to kill, so i dont think that is too relevant....

The fact is that Indy if he does die (which is what has kept the thread going) must give his life for something that is worth it, only the Grail out of all the artifacts has been worth it.
I think he will more figuratively die....I.e give up his life as Indiana Jones because he is no longer Indiana Jones not really he has changed and most importantly the world has changed there is no longer a place for black and white morality for adventurers.
There must be closure.

[jones]

You wrote alottttttt

[FordFan]

You know, I think I have a good ending, but it requires Karen Allen (who I personally think will be in it).

Indy and Marion do the scene almost exactly like at the end of Raiders, where she says, "C'mon. I'll buy you a drink." and then she lifts his hat. Then he holds out his arm and she puts her arm through and they walk off.

Except in Indy 4, Jones could say something like "It's on me." before holding out his arm.

Or, if the artifact is a very small jewel, Indy could propose to Marion. Then, when the government asks where the artifact is, Jones could say "Y'know...I just don't know." And then it ends up being the wedding ring. That way, he keeps the girl for good, and he FINALLY gets to keep an artifact for himself.

Just my two cents, I don't know if those are good ideas or not. But I do like that final scene at the end of Raiders between Marion and Indy. It's very subtle and one of my favorite parts.

[bob]

I think that to complete the Indy saga it needs stronger medicine than that, besides i dont really want to see Indy live happily ever after, he is too real for it to be believable for him to live happily ever after and for us actually to believe that. Just my opinion though.....

[Whipper]

Oh, this one's easy. It ends...on a CLIFFHANGER! Just to leave you with the feeling that it Never Ends...Indy's whole life is a continuing adventure. Just when it looks like Indy might be ready to settle down to domesticated days and a stodgy professorial lifestyle--Before he can get bored and mopey, he gets swept up into something else, and the movie ends with his smiling face in the midst of chaos and thrilling peril.

"What the IRS fails to understand is how you can continue to accumulate the same level of expenses as you did when you were in your prime!" --Accountant to Old Indy, 1992

We may or may never see him on film again, but we can leave him knowing that he'll always be adventuring onwards, rest assured that he'll be out there living every day of his lifetime to the fullest and loving it. As should we all. No one needs to die, no one needs to retire, because the Indy book doesn't Need closing. To to know that there really Is no end is all the closure I need to see.

Hm, each of the prior films began at the end of a prior adventure, so this would be a reversal, ending the film with 5-10 minutes of Indy in the middle of a New adventure. Then they leave off with a cliffhanger moment, giving one more nod to the classic tradition of the serials that inspired the creation of Indy in the first place. We don't know how he'll get out of that tight spot, but we leave him there knowing he will. I say send the audience out of the theater with Adrenaline pumping.

[FordFan]

The last shot of the movie has to have longetivity. The original trilogy ended with a final shot that stayed on screen a while with the credits, and then it faded to black.

-The ark in the warehouse.
-Indy, Willie, a clapping Short Round (ahahaha) and the village kids.
-Indy riding off into the sunset.

[Attila the Professor]

We've waited 16 years for Indy IV, it can't just be another adventure. It's in the 1950's, Indy doesn't belong in the 50's. He has no place in the Cold War. The Soviets don't care about religious artifacts, they care about the power of the atom, as do the Americans. I don't think Indy could keep doing what he's doing - look what he does in 1950 - he's involved with an Native American peace pipe - not exactly Atlantis or either of the Arks or the Grail, or even the Sankara Stones. What's left? We can't have it be a happy ending, it doesn't seem realistic that Indy would want to settle down with Marion, Sherlock Holmes never marries, and I believe the great detective is probably the closest character to Indy, in that he has so many adventures, but eventually its through, he's done his job, and its time to retire and look back at the hundreds of adventures he's had. We need closure. We need a reason for Indy IV, not a reunion, not just another adventure, not a cliffhanger, not a wedding - if anything a funeral, but Indy shouldn't die, he should retire.

[bob]

Couldnt have put it better myself!

Indys character becomes a relic by 1939 (WWII), 1941 (Pearl Harbour),1945 (end of Nazis Hiroshima), 1949 (Soviet A-Bomb) and finally 1953 (death of Stalin) the end for Indy is 1962 for two reasons James Bond and Cuba Missile crisis but that is the apsolute final date that Indy can remain without becoming completely absurd. GL made an attempt to bring him into 50's pop culture with the despised Saucermen script. But the fact remains that Indy will remain a character of the 30's. Unless Indy goes after an artifact like Eden that it brings an apocylpse near is the only thing that could give Indy IV stature, but none of the Indy films have really been about saving the world, it just wasnt mentioned really.

Indy must finish with probably him not dying but Henry should be dead, not in battle but come on the guy was in his late 60's in 38 he would be 80 by 1950 that is at least according to the timeline but i would be tempted to put his age 10 years younger as who has heard of a 68 year old still teaching! Also Sallahs world has changed and he is getting older, Marcus is dead. Indy IV should be the finale to his life and i think the final scene should be Indy putting the Fedora away in a box along with the whip and the gun and just walking off into the Sunset.

[FordFan]

I don't. Why make the film remorseful like that? I don't want to see an Indiana Jones with a darker edge, with him being down with the mopies because he's older and down-trodden that there are no more great adventures.

Just amp it up to what it was: pure escapism. Make it a fun movie because the fun factor was what was great about the original three. Don't make it mindless and 2-dimensional like it's "just another Bond movie". You can give it a new layer, but don't extract from the fun by making it serious.

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by FordFan
I don't. Why make the film remorseful like that? I don't want to see an Indiana Jones with a darker edge, with him being down with the mopies because he's older and down-trodden that there are no more great adventures.

Just amp it up to what it was: pure escapism. Make it a fun movie because the fun factor was what was great about the original three. Don't make it mindless and 2-dimensional like it's "just another Bond movie". You can give it a new layer, but don't extract from the fun by making it serious.

Indy already has a bit of a dark edge, not only in Raiders, but in ToD and LC as well - blowing up ships, selling artifacts to gangsters, killing more men in bars than any archaeologist has a right to - remember what Belloq said? Remember the scene from the Sword of Arthur in the liferaft (only thing the script got right actually, except for the confession about what's her name at the end of the scene), with everyone being dead - Short Round probably dead in a bombing; Marion left, and he doesn't know what happened to her; some sultan tortured Sallah's son to death and Sallah refuses to speak to Indy; and Marcus drank a poisoned glass meant for Indy. Can you imagine how Henry felt, with his son being the reason for his best friend's death? Can you imagine how it reopened the rift between father and son? Can you feel the guilt coursing through Indy's veins - all the death, because of him? He doesn't see how great his life was - he's lived through the trenches, the Congo, seen his friends die, endured every major desert, jungle, and mountain range - all these people - his contemporaries - his friends and his enemies - are dead. There's no more Belloq, there's no more Jack Shannon - Henry is on the brink of death - everyone else...

He has a dark side, that's what makes him interesting. Don't you think he would be "down with the mopies because he's older and down-trodden that there are no more great adventures"? Sure he would!

You're entitled to your opinion, but we can't just expect another adventure.

[FordFan]

Yeah, but if the new movie went along with that plotline, it would turn into Othello. I don't mind it being a little bit darker than the other films, but seriously, that's just too dark for my taste.

[bob]

I dont think darkness is something that we will see in Indy IV but there needs to be some sort of soul searching as Indy sees what the world has become. But this shouldnt really effect the adventuring the plot lines that i have talked about would only take 5 minutes!

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by bob
I dont think darkness is something that we will see in Indy IV but there needs to be some sort of soul searching as Indy sees what the world has become. But this shouldnt really effect the adventuring the plot lines that i have talked about would only take 5 minutes!

Also my feeling on the matter. Soul searching and revelations are more appropriate terms, not darkness, but it would be interesting to see a somewhat darker side of Indy, even if that's not exactly what I'm looking for (Indy being nudged/becoming like Belloq).

[FordFan]

Well Indy rethinking his life and soul searching would be cool, but for the last movie in the series, it can't be so dark that they have to apologize for it and make another one.

[bob]

MY GOD I THOUGHT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN SOME ACTUAL NEWS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME BEARING ON THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!

They dont have a third act as such, doesnt this mean that it isnt going to be just another Indy movie ending and to some extent unpredictable. To not have a third act (i.e in Raiders from Egypt onwards, in LC Grail Temple onwards, ToD escape bit) means that it cannot be simply another predictable ending to an action movie, or it may not but still it is tantilising......:)

[Attila the Professor]

Yeah, that's interesting. Good point. Although, it could just mean they've painted themselves into a corner and don't know how to resolve it. That sounds a bit unlikely though.

[00Kevin]

*BUMP* this classic thread (sorry to whomever posted the other one, but you can't beat this thread!)

[Ellies7th]

Okay - ending scene. After conquering whatever specific evil abounds in Indy IV, there is a moment of slight relief. The viewers are inside a familiar place - The Warehouse storing The Ark. And viewers hear a familiar throbbing hum...as the camera pans down each aisle of crates, we again see rats fleeing from a particular aisle....a warehouse worker investigates....

[bob]

(I cant believe that this thread has been ressurected!)

[00Kevin]

[Attila the Professor]

Good job...may he who illuminated this thread...aw, forget it...

Really though, I know it's long, but I recommend that the newer folks take a look at this...there's good stuff in here.

[Yanar]

great thread! I read some of the the other thread, Attila's Ideas....and got an Idea. What if Indy and the Girl are in a small boat. It is night, they kiss and they sail down the river towards the Big shinning moon.............

[Jastro_Indy]

we should end where it all began:

Shot of temple, darkness
familar shadow moves forward into the light. In his hand he has the Idol of fertility. We can't see his face. The Idol is placed back on the pedastal, and the place collapses more, after the stuff that happened in Raiders. we still can't see this guy's face. (INDY OBVIOUSLY)

New boulder sequence as hero escapes through a new temple section, bursting into daylight.
-
Group of hunters outside, chase hero, who swings on a branch into water blah blah triumphant and memorable version of the Raiders March, cut to plane:

INDY: Come on jock. Lets go home.

Plane flies into sunset we hear:

I hate snakes jock! Ihate 'em! You know that!

FADE TO CREDITS.

Pretty cool huh?

[JAN]

I belive that in a persuit of a rare artifact, Indy get to close to a nuclear-bomb-test-facility, and in that moment
they detonate a test-bomb, soaking Indy in radiation.

....And then Indy becomes....The Hulk!!

Yes, a relife as the Hulk! No more Bruce Banner, Henry Jones Jr. is the one NOBODY (even Sr.) dont dare call Jr. anymore.

Jan

[FAN]

It look's like you guy's have alot to say on this. First of all Indy can not die. Oh sure it may make a great drama/tragedy but It is not Indy. Indy is the good guy, Indy's the one who alway's win's and the only thing he has to fear is running into two of his old girlfriend's at the same time. And what are you all talking about this being the last one, I ve heard they may consider making Indy V and VI, so nothing is written in concrete yet. In fact they may even turn Indy IV,V, and VI into a continueing adventure that they will be finished in Indy VI, so don't count your chicken's before they hatch. Oh and there's a new article on Indy IV at Raidernet that came out yesterday, so you all might wan't to check that out. FAN

[FAN]

You know after all these year's,bogus script's,false report's,misconstrewed information,wild rumor's, conflicting report's amongst those that are making it, ect. . . THEY HAD BETTER COME UP WITH AT LEAST A DECENT IF NOT OUTSTANDING AND MARVOLOUS STORY AND ENDING!!! FAN

[ccc123]

Indy will retire from his adventures and archology. :(

[bob]

Originally posted by FAN
You know after all these year's,bogus script's,false report's,misconstrewed information,wild rumor's, conflicting report's amongst those that are making it, ect. . . THEY HAD BETTER COME UP WITH AT LEAST A DECENT IF NOT OUTSTANDING AND MARVOLOUS STORY AND ENDING!!! FAN

controversial words :)

[FAN]

What do you mean contriversal? There have been bogus script's, there have been false report's and misconstrewued information, just look at it, Lucas said there would be a son and Ford and Marshall are now saying there will not be one, and then Sean Connery was saying that Speilberg would not be directing, and Marshall said Connery may or may not work on the new film, and these people are supposed to know what will be happening with the new film, and they have been talking about making it since 1994 and they will not start making the movie till 2004, ten year's to make one film. I think we all have the right to exspect the film to be Outstanding and Marvoulous.
FAN

[bob]

Calm down Fan, i was just having a little joke i mean of course we want the film to be great after all of this wait (it has been 7 years of rumours for some of us)

[FAN]

I am calm Bob, I just thought you may know something I didn't know. You know I am not sure how much longer I can take all this suspense. I have one question that's nagging at me, if they have a script aproved, and the people that are going to work on the film, and they have the people that are going to direct it, then how come they are waiting till next year? I mean everything's in place as far as we know, and they have no project's that they are working on now so wht the wait? I think there is something that still is incomplete and they are waiting for it to fall in place, I don't know what but there is something they waiting for. I just wish I knew what it was. What do you think? FAN

[FAN]

Hey guy's, like I said in my last post what are they waiting for? I can't see any reason why they would wait. I mean the script is aproved, the director's are in place, Neither Ford, Speilberg, or Lucas are working on any other project's unless you count Episiode 3, and I was under the impression they would make them and release them at the same time, so what's the hold up? And another thing, how come there is so much confusion amongst the people working on the movie? Lucas and Speilberg said son, Ford and Marshall said no son. Lucas and Ford said Speilberg, Sean Connery said no Speilberg, and Marshall said Speilberg.And Ford said Sean Connery, and Marshall said mabye Sean Connery.I mean it has been one conflicting news story after another, and the source's are people who are working on,diecting,and performing in Indy IV. How come no one can agree about what's going on, and how come they are waiting a year to produce Indy IV, for no reason? I think that the answer's to these question's are something Indy fans everywere would like to know. FAN

[Pale Horse]

The Hollywood process is a complicated one. I hope I can shed some light on why such simplicities seem so complicated.

The lastest report by the producers (guys who acquire a project, finance it, organize the talent and ensure a blueprint is followed) of Indy IV revealed the Darabont (the screenwriter) is still polishing his work, before it is presented for filiming. [see theraider.net for lastest developments]

This means that some of the other key players like storyboard artists (who translate directors thoughts into pictures), cinematographers (who translate 2-dimesional art into celluloid scenery) location scouts (who find the cinematographers vision) and casting agents (who find people to fill the locations the scouts find) ALL have to wait (in order) to do their jobs.

Now let us assume that the above processes (and countless others like hiring film crews, both first and second units; arranging travel, hotels and lodging for so many people; negotiating international agreements to film in various parts of the world; ad infinitium) have all been worked out. What happens?

Well, the primary principles can begin "working" (even though they have been all along) But the actual filming of a movie can take as many a 90 days. 3 months. And that may be conservative for a project of this type. IMDB reveals that Harrison Ford is currently working on a project entitled "A Walk Among the Tombstones". It can be foolishly presumed that he is commited to this project until October. (This would not include his contract to promote the movie via media tours and the like) It is safe to say he will not be available until 2004 to commit 90+ days (straight I might add) to film another movie. Let us not forget Steven's projects, George's projects and the countless other men how also have scheduled appointments they are obligated to in order to keep their reputation and gain a paycheck.

Now, let's again assume that the journney above has been completed. Then begins the pain staking process of editing (putiing the scenes in order as they appear in the screenplay) adding music (which has to be written after seeing the complete edited film) and addding titles (those long list of names at the end of a film no one pays attention to) who all help create two and 1/2 hours of entertaiment for us. It is understandable that this process may take of few years to complete. And what for? $7.50 American dollars a person.

[FAN]

My goodness,
how does anyone have the patience to make a movie? When you put it that way it sounds absoulutly horrible. Well they had better spead up the process otherwise we'll be waiting another 10 year's. FAN

[CB27]

The perfect ending:
Indy slowly walks away from the camera after making it clear that he's finished with his adventures. The scene is very moving untill Indy glances back over his shoulder and then takes off running as suddenly.....the huge ball from Raiders rolls after him! What a great way to tie the beginning of the series into the end. OK, so I'm just just joking. But, I do think if the beginning and end were somehow connected(obviously not in the way I mentioned), it could be a very nice ending.

[Pale Horse]

There was a time when I was writing a spoof/serious concept where the beginning of my movie "Return of the Lost Ark" was a complete reversal of the warehouse scene in Raiders. The spoof had the custodian falling through the painted backdrop as he was backing up and the serious script dealt with Indy and his research.

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by apalehorse
There was a time when I was writing a spoof/serious concept where the beginning of my movie "Return of the Lost Ark" was a complete reversal of the warehouse scene in Raiders. The spoof had the custodian falling through the painted backdrop as he was backing up and the serious script dealt with Indy and his research.

You know, the beginning part intrigues me (I'm sure the serious part was intriguing too, but I'm not interested in that, not for the moment anyway ;)).

I've mused sometimes whether it is possible to spoof the Indy films. They're kind of tongue-in-cheek to begin with, I think, and the close cousin to the spoof, the homage...

Well, this is off-topic, I should just start a thread.

Edit: Oh yeah, I like the idea of the custodian falling through (or knocking over, perhaps) the painted backdrop...maybe to reveal the ghost of Charles Foster Kane or something...whispering "Rosebud"...hehe

[Pale Horse]

Yeah, there was a time when I thought all Zucker/Abrams/Zucker films ruled.

Naked Gun
Airplane
Hot Shots

If a spoof was to be done, it would have to be subtle slapstick. Maybe the market will be back for me in '05.