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Indy 007
12-19-2002, 10:42 AM
i recently heard for the first time that indy had a daughter in the tv series, and she makes an appearence. who played her, and doesn anyone have any pics?
Whipper
12-29-2002, 08:29 AM
I don't have the ability to do framecaptures, but perhaps somewhere along the line I'll look for the tape and see if I can get it done. She was in it so briefly, there wasn't a whole lot to go on, just a brief banter with "Dad." She seemed an average-looking, ordinary soccer-mom sort of gal, probably in her mid-30s or so. Redheaded, hair down to just past her shoulders, as I recall. Had two or three kids of her own. (Yeah, Indy's a grand-dad.) Way back when, on an Indy message board I used to hang out on, we talked about a prop picture seen in Indy's house of someone we presumed to be Indy's wife. And I recall someone saying it was a picture of George Lucas's mother!
Which episode was this in?
Webley
02-11-2004, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Whipper
on an Indy message board I used to hang out on,
What board was this?
dameain
02-12-2004, 11:01 AM
If she is red headed, that could mean on that Shopiha Happgood is the mother, or it could be an anounmous redhead
Strider
02-14-2004, 05:41 PM
Thats a good point, maybe it is Sophia.
Indyologist
07-10-2006, 10:28 PM
I, for one, am delighted with the news from Karen Allen that Indy and Marion might possibly have had a child together. I know some of you here don't like the idea, but I hope beyond hope and Indy and Marion are or become married. I think they are an awesome couple! I think they'd fight sometimes (eh-- what married couple doesn't?), but they would love each other very, very much...
I wonder if they'll use the old "former girlfriend shows up and introduces their child to their ex-lover" gimmick? Hmm...
Rivers
07-11-2006, 12:35 AM
Thats not what was really said. Karen Allen knows as much about Indy 4 as us, which is nothing. She was commenting on that old, old, old rumor that Natalie Portman wanted to play Indy's daughter. Which as far as I remember wasnt even a real rumored plot line for Indy 4, It was just Portman expressing intrest in wanting to be in an Indy movie.
As far as I'm concerned this is no news at all.
Junior Jones
07-11-2006, 07:37 AM
But Indy does have a daughter, nevertheless.
In a few of the bookends to The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles "Old Indy" interacts with his daughter. I'm bad at guessing ages, but she was definitely not old enough to have been born before the 1950s.
Aaron H
07-11-2006, 12:38 PM
I doubt a Star War actor/actress would be used to do India...wait a second.:D;)
I do know that Luas has wanted to use Portman, but I all depends on the script. Ms. Allen doesn't know any more than what you all know...in fact I'll be she got her info from the internet. (maybe even TR.N!)
Ray Delark
07-11-2006, 02:41 PM
It would be wonderful for Indiana Jones to have his kid(s?) in IV. I'm guessing that this will happen. Even if he does have any children, I would be fine if they aren't in it much. Then again, Jones with his own family seems to have a lot of fun potenial. I'll love it either way!
qwerty
07-11-2006, 03:15 PM
I am preaty sure that there was a topic like this before. Maybe all the answers can be found there.
Violet Indy
07-11-2006, 07:31 PM
There is. THe answer is I'm Indy's daughter!
Cammy
07-11-2006, 08:32 PM
It would be interesting to see how Indy reacts with a daughter in the 4th movie, although I hope it's better handled than it was in Superman Returns.
Indyologist
07-12-2006, 04:40 PM
There is. THe answer is I'm Indy's daughter!
Whoa! :eek: Nice to meet you, Ms. Jones! :) Ahh, wouldn't it be nice...
But still, I don't place total faith in this "news," nor any news about Indy 4, even coming from people who will actually be in it. It was reported widely even 2 weeks before the opening of LC that R. Phoenix was going to play Indy's son. I think that they are just yanking our collective chains as Indy fans, as usual. I wonder if they view it as some big joke to be messing with us like that. I don't exactly appreciate it, BTW, but they have their interests to protect.
Personally, I would rather nothing be said at all about the movie by its cast except when it will be released in theaters. Any other "information" is just nonsense. Maybe some people think playing "what if" regarding Indy 4 is fun, but it aggrevates the daylights out of me. "Just tell me when it's coming out, or shut up" is my view.
Violet Indy
07-13-2006, 06:26 PM
I just can't believe the Natalie Portman rumour to back to life again! I don't want Natalie Portman playing Indy's daughter! Maybe it's like River Phoenix and Natalie Portman ends up playing a younger Marion in a flashback at the beginning of the movie. But, I must say though, it does sound like Marion is coming back, and I'm glad someone's been listening to my Most Repetitive Post .
"BRING BACK MARION!!!"
"BRING BACK MARION!!!"
"BRING BACK MARION!!!"
Indyologist
07-25-2006, 05:10 PM
I just can't believe the Natalie Portman rumour to back to life again! I don't want Natalie Portman playing Indy's daughter! Maybe it's like River Phoenix and Natalie Portman ends up playing a younger Marion in a flashback at the beginning of the movie.
Heyyyyyy... I never thought of that! That would make perfect sense to me. But, of course, Marion was like 16 years old when she met Indy and I don't think Portman would pass for that age. Besides, that would mean a 28-year-old Indy would have to be cast as well. Maybe Sean Patrick Flannery will make a reprise?
Eh. It's a long shot.
Violet Indy
07-26-2006, 12:31 AM
Who said anything about involving Indy? Maybe her Dad has something to do with the artifact of Indy IV.... not as big a connection as to the Ark, but close.
Aaron H
07-26-2006, 02:12 AM
In the Darabont script, which will most likely never see the light of day, Indy met his daughter before he knows it her (and visa versa). After pouring on the charm, Marion shows up to introduce them.:eek:
Maybe it was a good thing that Frank's script remains unused. However, I did love the artifact they were going after. (Indy and daughter team up for the adventure)
Moedred
07-26-2006, 02:01 PM
I love that scenario actually of Indy hitting on his own daughter.
Considering Anne Heche was 27 years younger than Ford in Six Days Seven Nights, it does sound like a recipe for incest.
Aaron H
07-26-2006, 05:45 PM
I don't really care for the idea of the daughter tagging along. care to share what the artifact is? A hint maybe?
More like was, I honestly don't have a clue about the new script. Indy and Co. were searching for the Garden of Eden and its Flaming Sword. The story was that the Soviets felt that the Sword and the Tree of Life would make them more powerful than the US and thus they could take over the world with their Communist ideaology. The story ended with Indy having to blow up the gateway to the Garden...hint, the Garden wasn't on Earth.
The story more or less was a mixture of Stargate, Doom, Saucermen from Mars, and a few other movies, but with Indiana Jones.
Abe Vayoda
07-26-2006, 08:26 PM
More like was, I honestly don't have a clue about the new script. Indy and Co. were searching for the Garden of Eden and its Flaming Sword. The story was that the Soviets felt that the Sword and the Tree of Life would make them more powerful than the US and thus they could take over the world with their Communist ideaology. The story ended with Indy having to blow up the gateway to the Garden...hint, the Garden wasn't on Earth.
The story more or less was a mixture of Stargate, Doom, Saucermen from Mars, and a few other movies, but with Indiana Jones.
Forgive me for being skeptical about this script....
However, I gotta say if all that is true, I'm glad Lucas didn't like the script because it sounds terrible. Worries me that Speiblerg liked it.
Moedred
07-26-2006, 08:58 PM
The story was that the Soviets felt that the Sword and the Tree of Life would make them more powerful than the US and thus they could take over the world with their Communist ideaology. The story ended with Indy having to blow up the gateway to the Garden...hint, the Garden wasn't on Earth.
My suggestion back on the epic Tree of Life (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=4601) thread - which I wish someone would revive - was that the Soviets regrow the garden in Kazakhstan in 24 hours using ancient seeds from the tree, then nuke it when things get supernatural. Better than a trip to Aetherium.
Violet Indy
07-26-2006, 10:48 PM
Interesting... But, weird. Not really an Indy adventure. There really shouldn't be anything that leads to another dimension. That is going too sci-fi for my taste.
Indyologist
07-26-2006, 11:29 PM
Where can I go online to read Darabont's script w/Indy's daughter?
And yeah, I could see Indy hitting on her-- definately! He's a sucker for a pretty face if ever I met one... :rolleyes:
Pale Horse
07-27-2006, 09:05 AM
More like was, I honestly don't have a clue about the new script. Indy and Co. were searching for the Garden of Eden and its Flaming Sword. The story was that the Soviets felt that the Sword and the Tree of Life would make them more powerful than the US and thus they could take over the world with their Communist ideaology. The story ended with Indy having to blow up the gateway to the Garden...hint, the Garden wasn't on Earth.
The story more or less was a mixture of Stargate, Doom, Saucermen from Mars, and a few other movies, but with Indiana Jones.
Can we tell them the best part, please please please. They have a right to know.
Deadlock
07-27-2006, 10:30 AM
Wow, all of this revelation from Aaron...
Is the world coming to an end? ;)
StwongBwidge
07-27-2006, 05:09 PM
Now this has re-ingnited my interest in all this conjecture. Not wishing to bull you up or anything Aaron but thanks for sharing a snippet of what you know of the Darabont script. Personally i wish if they'd gone with it, based purely on the likely high standard of the dialogue and development of the character in a deep and interesting (and hopefully darker, brooding, cynical even) manner that this writer would achieve; a development I feel is vital for this film, given the ageing of the character and the vast possibilities this presents.
True, the list of films in a similar vain is somewhat bizarre, worriesome even, but surely we dont want Indy IV to be a mere re-hash of its predecessors? I'd trust the screenwriter in particular to make it work somehow, and be true to the spirit of the original trilogy.
One of the many things i'm interested in is the level of action, stunts, set pieces etc in the script, as this is an area of concern for me and many others I feel. Can you shed any light? How did it compare in intensity to the previous three??
Also, I've long had the idea of the last part of such a quest would have Indy destroying the Garden - or in this case the Gateway - but from the inside. Perhaps this is the twist to which you refer Finn? Ho ho. As such, our Hero remains inside, or on the other side. The final view would be the light of the explosion intensifying as we look through the gateway, and as it does so that legendary silhouette is emphasised, and simply turns around and walks away from our view as the light becomes blinding. That'd be a decent grand finale I think! And he wouldn't be dead as such, which would of course always leave that little, tiny speck of a possibility of Indy V...
Joe Brody
07-27-2006, 06:24 PM
Considering Anne Heche was 27 years younger than Ford in Six Days Seven Nights, it does sound like a recipe for incest.
But it's scary that Heche looked like she was only 7 years younger in the film. The stupidity of some casting choices. . . .
Forgive me for being skeptical about this script....
I agree. Stinky, lame story.
indyt
07-28-2006, 07:50 AM
More like was, I honestly don't have a clue about the new script. Indy and Co. were searching for the Garden of Eden and its Flaming Sword. The story was that the Soviets felt that the Sword and the Tree of Life would make them more powerful than the US and thus they could take over the world with their Communist ideaology. The story ended with Indy having to blow up the gateway to the Garden...hint, the Garden wasn't on Earth.
The story more or less was a mixture of Stargate, Doom, Saucermen from Mars, and a few other movies, but with Indiana Jones.
I like this. Maybe not so much the Stargate stuff but the Russians planting a new garden. I hope alot of this makes it to the new script. It probably will not.
shhimundercover
07-31-2006, 01:55 AM
I'd like to see Rose Byrne instead of Portman, Rose is several years older than her, but I've always thought, Rose looks a little bit like Karen Allen did in in Raiders......
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/WilliamSchlegel/KarenAllenRaidersoftheLostArk.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/WilliamSchlegel/RoseByrneDressEra.jpg
Moedred
08-01-2006, 06:52 PM
Can we tell them the best part, please please please.
Maybe if Aaron ever escapes from George's Rancor pit.
Indyologist
08-01-2006, 07:30 PM
Maybe if Aaron ever escapes from George's Rancor pit.
Funny you should mention this. I happen to have a bottle or two of Rancor Repellant right here!
Lemme read the label. Ahem. "Rancor-Gone. Rancors eat the bait, take it back to their lair and share it with other Rancors which then implode. 100% Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back."
It's sold by Dolomite, a little-known division of Proctor & Gamble- "A Family Company" (tm)
Abe Vayoda
08-02-2006, 12:35 PM
Funny you should mention this. I happen to have a bottle or two of Rancor Repellant right here!
Lemme read the label. Ahem. "Rancor-Gone. Rancors eat the bait, take it back to their lair and share it with other Rancors which then implode. 100% Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back."
It's sold by Dolomite, a little-known division of Proctor & Gamble- "A Family Company" (tm)
It must work. It's made from The Tough Black Mineral that won't cop out when there's heat all about. It's dolomite baby!
Paden
08-02-2006, 01:16 PM
Well, I hoping you do tell us the best part because so far, it doesn't sound all that great. :(
What if it's a ruse? What if the story that Aaron has been discussing is the actual plot of Indy IV? Perhaps the whole thing was on the verge of being leaked by a disgruntled Skywalker Ranch employee and, knowing that all was going to be revealed, the Lucasfilm press machine decided to attribute the plot to Darabont's rejected script. Then, lo and behold, in 2008Indy IV turns up with a storyline that is strangely familiar to those that have been following the film's development...;)
Pale Horse
08-02-2006, 02:21 PM
What if it's a ruse? What if the story that Aaron has been discussing is the actual plot of Indy IV? Perhaps the whole thing was on the verge of being leaked by a disgruntled Skywalker Ranch employee and, knowing that all was going to be revealed, the Lucasfilm press machine decided to attribute the plot to Darabont's rejected script. Then, lo and behold, in 2008Indy IV turns up with a storyline that is strangely familiar to those that have been following the film's development...;)
You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
Whoops, wrong thread. :p
Aaron H
08-02-2006, 06:49 PM
Quite appropo here, my pale friend.
Garrett
08-03-2006, 08:27 AM
I wouldn't be suprised if the story line was very similar to Darbont's script. Aren't the new scripts just revisions of a similar plot?
Anyways, I kind of like the story so far even though it sounds kind of lame. Thinking back on the previous three... all of the Indiana Jones story lines sound silly until you see the movie.
Moedred
08-04-2006, 03:47 PM
I'm sure "and this time he's bringing his dad" made a lot of people cringe at first. Probably the father-daughter relation wouldn't be part of the Indy 4 press, if it's revealed near or at the end. Still, most people would know about it walking into the theater, as with Superman Returns.
I love what I've heard of the plot so far! I bet there's a scene where Indy talks about his own mentor, then she mentions her grandfather whose private library back in Chicago inspired her to study archaeology, and they don't realize they're talking about the same person.
Moedred
09-14-2006, 11:05 PM
She seemed an average-looking, ordinary soccer-mom sort of gal, probably in her mid-30s or so. Redheaded, hair down to just past her shoulders
Mid 30's in the early 90's? Hmmm... seems doubtful she was conceived in 1936 on the Bantu Wind. Though if they have to fudge the timeline to create the perfect Indy 4 script, I won't complain.
Matinee Idyll
10-17-2006, 07:27 AM
Argh, that be from Ireland, 1916... Aye, that it be. My favourite quote in the episode actually comes from his daughter,
"We'll miss the tea and cookie presentation..."
:p
'ello everyone, 'm Joseph Bromley, by the way... 'm, new here... Indy fan (perhap you figured that)... probably love Young Indy even more. Though I hate the new new edited versions, sacriledge!
YIJC were my fix as a lad, while the other boys were getting ratted on Nirvana - I was at home, watching the show, learning all about the wonders of 20th Century history... For all Mr. Lucas' recent Star Wars related faults, I owe the man so much.
Thankyou George, hope I enjoy me stay!
Cheers,
Joe.
Violet Indy
10-18-2006, 08:41 PM
Don't suppose you have footage......:D
Matinee Idyll
10-18-2006, 08:56 PM
Don't suppose you have Curse of the Jackal or... something? ;)
Hehe, yes... I'll try my best to capture some...
I've still got Princeton 1916, Ireland 1916, London 1916 and Paris 1916 taped off Channel 9 about... 10 years ago.
* sigh * We'll have to have a big weekend of Indy viewin' Violet!
Here be his daughter, sorry... took a photo of the tele, it ain't great. I also took alittle bit of video, will upload soon! :)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/oldjoesplace/indydaughter.jpg
Note Green Guide and Rebel Without a Cause ontop of the tele ;)
Edward The Head
10-19-2006, 01:22 PM
She seems a bit young to me. If Indy is 93 or so, then that would mean he had her in his late 50s to early 60s. Seems a bit strange to me, I would think she would be in her 50s or so, and her kids would be in their 20s-30s. That could mean Indy at that time could be a great-grandfather. Though in one of the shows the kids call him grandfather.
Violet Indy
10-20-2006, 11:32 PM
Actually, I do have Curse of the Jackal. One of the best episodes ever!!! Yeah, we should, but you're way down south...
Moedred
10-21-2006, 08:20 PM
Matinee, you are the coolest newbie ever! :up:
She doesn't look familiar, and I can't find her screen credit anywhere on the internet. She looks like she could be about fifty, born in the 1930's, the possible offspring of Marion or Sophia. Especially Sophia, with the red hair.
Did you tape the credits, Matinee? Could you review them and find her real name and possibly even her character's name?
Matinee Idyll
10-21-2006, 08:25 PM
Will do Moedred :)
She does have atleast one Primary school aged child... but that doesn't mean she couldn't have other older children (in their 20's, etc)
Violet Indy
10-21-2006, 11:29 PM
Red hair.... I don't suppose anyone realised that red hair could be a Jones trait considering that the Young Indy's Dad in the series has red-brown hair?
Gustav
10-22-2006, 02:41 PM
Both of my parents have dark hair but I have some red hair in my beard and if my hair gets too long it starts to get lighter at the tips. My grandmother had light hair and she was Irish. They're both recessive traits which means they were carried by one of my parents but they didn't show. The question is would the people who decided to give Indy's daughter red hair intend it to be a result of his recessive genes? Usually in show business they are more direct than that. They would likely want the hair to in a way represent one of the parents like they do in most movies. Then again maybe they just chose this woman to play Indy's daughter without really thinking about that. Then yet again her hair isn't that red (or at least doesn't appear to be from this picture) and Indy's hair isn't very dark at all. I wager that if you put their two shades of hair colour side by side they wouldn't be far off.
Violet Indy
10-22-2006, 08:38 PM
Yeah, you're probably right. But, this is a likely reason why they cut Old Indy bookends from the series. If they left this particular segment in, Indyfans would be wanting an explanation in Indy IV.
Moedred
11-07-2006, 01:02 AM
Matinee... where'd ya go?
Will I ever find out who the red-haired girl is?
:(
Aaron H
11-07-2006, 04:07 PM
Yeah, you're probably right. But, this is a likely reason why they cut Old Indy bookends from the series. If they left this particular segment in, Indyfans would be wanting an explanation in Indy IV.
Give the girl a silver dollar!
Bingo, kiddo. The primary reason why the bookends were cut from the VHS release (and the soon-to-be DVD) was that they answered too many questions and gave very little wiggle room for Indy IV. Remember, at the time the decision was made the Saucermen and Monkey King scripts were the scripts still being considered by Lucas & Co. and some of the events wouldn't match up...come to think of it, some of the events in Frank's wonderful script also would conflict.
That being said, the bookends are no longer a part of the Indy canon, and should be treated lightly. If Indy's daughter is in the bookends and no where else...then Indy doesn't have a daughter. Unless of course Frank's script is used afterall.:up:
Violet Indy
11-08-2006, 05:49 PM
I'd like to think that there will be a daughter who in a way kinda pays him bakc for the Marion-Abner incident. It'd be a nice touch, especially if Indy's daughter went out with a tomb robber...
Moedred
11-08-2006, 06:55 PM
the bookends are no longer a part of the Indy canon
So he really was a crazy old man after all. Retelling something he watched on ABC.
Now the Indy franchise has its equivalent of the "Star Wars Holiday Special:" hazy tv recollections Lucas stuffed in the vault. By refusing to add them to the DVD's, he'll just have to discuss them in interviews that much more. Serves him right. Meanwhile, won't some videotape packrat make a date with youtube?
Violet Indy
11-12-2006, 08:55 PM
Yep. Old Indy's truly deluded...
Violet Indy
11-12-2006, 08:57 PM
Give the girl a silver dollar!
Bingo, kiddo. The primary reason why the bookends were cut from the VHS release (and the soon-to-be DVD) was that they answered too many questions and gave very little wiggle room for Indy IV. Remember, at the time the decision was made the Saucermen and Monkey King scripts were the scripts still being considered by Lucas & Co. and some of the events wouldn't match up...come to think of it, some of the events in Frank's wonderful script also would conflict.
That being said, the bookends are no longer a part of the Indy canon, and should be treated lightly. If Indy's daughter is in the bookends and no where else...then Indy doesn't have a daughter. Unless of course Frank's script is used afterall.:up:
Frank's script had a daughter in it???
Aaron H
11-12-2006, 11:46 PM
Frank's script had a daughter in it???
I think I said that.:confused:
Yes, he had a daughter. There was a touching scene where Indy first meets her and doesn't know its his daughter. He's at the college and he thinks she is just a cute student. So he flirts a bit with her, and then Marion walks into the scene with the news of who this cute new student really is (which causes Indy to fight a gag reflex).
There was also a treatment of the same script where this scene wasn't in it, rather the revelation of his daughter didn't come until towards the end of the film. Indy reveals that he knew it was her the whole time, but wanted to protect her from the baddies.
Moedred
11-13-2006, 11:36 AM
Indy reveals that he knew it was her the whole time
And that's the difference between comedy and drama. It doesn't matter when this treatment hints to the audience she's his daughter, because the audience would have known months in advance. You just can't keep a "Luke-I-am-your-father" secret in the internet age. Movies have to be more self-aware. Not to mention supposedly intelligent movie characters.
In Last Crusade, they moved Henry's appearance from the end to the middle, which seems a good time for Indy to make the big discovery. Or as soon as every possible joke at his expense has been made.
Violet Indy
11-13-2006, 06:02 PM
Wow.... I think it'd be better if her revelation was more in the middle rather than the end. From this, it's sounds like Darabont's script is pretty good. Then again, as long as there's Marion in it and it's after a pretty interesting MacGuffin, I'm happy. Having said that.....
"BRING BACK MARION!!!"
"BRING BACK MARION!!!"
"BRING BACK MARION!!!"
"I WANT TO READ DARABONT'S SCRIPT!!!"
"I WANT TO READ DARABONT'S SCRIPT!!!"
"I WANT TO READ DARABONT'S SCRIPT!!!"
Matinee Idyll
11-14-2006, 07:27 AM
Hello again guys, sorry for dissapearing there...
I couldn't find her listed in either the opening or closing credits... t'will always be a mystery...
Violet Indy
11-14-2006, 07:58 PM
That's strange.....:eek:
Aaron H
11-14-2006, 09:41 PM
Hello again guys, sorry for dissapearing there...
I couldn't find her listed in either the opening or closing credits... t'will always be a mystery...
I too have done my share of searching and was unable to find out either.
Adamwankenobi
11-19-2006, 07:16 AM
Give the girl a silver dollar!
Bingo, kiddo. The primary reason why the bookends were cut from the VHS release (and the soon-to-be DVD) was that they answered too many questions and gave very little wiggle room for Indy IV. Remember, at the time the decision was made the Saucermen and Monkey King scripts were the scripts still being considered by Lucas & Co. and some of the events wouldn't match up...come to think of it, some of the events in Frank's wonderful script also would conflict.
That being said, the bookends are no longer a part of the Indy canon, and should be treated lightly. If Indy's daughter is in the bookends and no where else...then Indy doesn't have a daughter. Unless of course Frank's script is used afterall.:up:
How do you know this? I really like the Old Indy bookends, and was hoping to see them on the DVDs. :( If this is true, why can't they just write a script to fit the series, rather than the other way around. This sounds similar to the situation with Star Wars, where instead of writing prequels that fit the originals, Lucas re-edited the originals to fit the prequels.
I think I said that.:confused:
Yes, he had a daughter. There was a touching scene where Indy first meets her and doesn't know its his daughter. He's at the college and he thinks she is just a cute student. So he flirts a bit with her, and then Marion walks into the scene with the news of who this cute new student really is (which causes Indy to fight a gag reflex).
Yep, Lucas definately wrote the story for that script. LOL! :D
Moedred
11-21-2006, 11:53 PM
Yep, Lucas definately wrote the story for that script.
Then again, Lucas was the most resistant to the Henry-Elsa tryst. Incest jokes may have been part of why he rejected Darabont's script.
Violet Indy
11-23-2006, 05:30 PM
Yeah. Agreed. He found it hard to accept the eh, love triangle in LC. Mind you though, that made the film better than what the original Jones Snr being a Yoda-like character could have contributed to the film.
Indyologist
11-23-2006, 09:31 PM
Argh, that be from Ireland, 1916... Aye, that it be. My favourite quote in the episode actually comes from his daughter,
"We'll miss the tea and cookie presentation..."
:p
I don't get the joke. What's the context?
By the way, welcome to the Raven, Joe! :hat: Watch for the molars in the peanut bowl.
Twilightpro101
12-01-2006, 09:48 PM
I actually like this concept since the door is left open in The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and all.
Moedred
12-03-2006, 03:24 PM
the Garden wasn't on Earth.
It seems they were/are combining Eden from Genesis with New Jerusalem from Revalations, since both have the Tree(s) of Life. I have no problem here. After all the powers assigned to the grail (lifted from the peaches in Monkey King), this would likely require less artistic license.
The big question (other than how to transport Indy and pals to the gate) is which rule to follow: Gen 3:22 "He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever" ...or Rev 22:14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city." Entering or eating could mean spontaneous human combustion... or not. Indy could shove a Russkie through first, who might combust anyway, but then Indy would be no less likely to himself.
Moedred
12-17-2006, 06:01 PM
If Indy's daughter is in the bookends and no where else...then Indy doesn't have a daughter.
What if she's a 'given' on the official website (http://www.indianajones.com/community/interact/poll/AllIndyPolls.jsp)?
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Given that Old Indy has a daughter, who do you think is the mother?
3/16/04 - 3/23/04
Marion Ravenwood 55%
Willie Scott 11%
Someone else 34%
Violet Indy
12-17-2006, 09:59 PM
I rigged that poll.....teheheheheheehhehehe.
Moedred
01-04-2007, 11:03 PM
The primary reason why the bookends were cut from the VHS release (and the soon-to-be DVD) was that they answered too many questions and gave very little wiggle room for Indy IV.
And the secondary reason: watching a cliffhanger is less thrilling when you know the guy's going to live to be 90.
sarah navarro
07-11-2007, 07:20 PM
Don't suppose you have Curse of the Jackal or... something? ;)
Hehe, yes... I'll try my best to capture some...
I've still got Princeton 1916, Ireland 1916, London 1916 and Paris 1916 taped off Channel 9 about... 10 years ago.
* sigh * We'll have to have a big weekend of Indy viewin' Violet!
Here be his daughter, sorry... took a photo of the tele, it ain't great. I also took alittle bit of video, will upload soon! :)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/oldjoesplace/indydaughter.jpg
Note Green Guide and Rebel Without a Cause ontop of the tele ;)
i can tell she got her looks from her father.....
Moedred
10-21-2007, 06:22 PM
Aaron, Moriarty at AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/33975) says the MacGuffin has been crystal skulls ever since the Darabont script. And Lucas said they "pottered around" for years before going "back to that original MacGuffin" (skulls). Could it be you've been eyeballing parts of the Boam script? Do any of these rumored elements (http://web.archive.org/web/20021212193905/www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/indy4A.html) sound familiar: a different rival colleague named 'Professor Conrad', the post-WWII recovery of a Nazi sub, the discovery of some Dead Sea Scrolls, a metatronic (meaning: the power of God appearing to take you away physically) device, and Indy's family?
Indie House
10-22-2007, 06:58 PM
Without reading too much of the previous posts, it sounds like this 'daughter' thing may have some cred... so why isn't it in the spoiler forum?
:mad:
Adamwankenobi
10-22-2007, 10:08 PM
Aaron H isn't denying the daughter part like he was before. Interesting. :p
Without reading too much of the previous posts, it sounds like this 'daughter' thing may have some cred... so why isn't it in the spoiler forum? Because it doesn't have cred. I can understand that your willingness to stay spoiler-free prevented you from scanning the dates of the posts. This is an old thread, pure speculation from the day when we had no confirmations (how distant that feels now... though it went on for YEARS), resurfaced to serve an unknown purpose.
Kingsley
10-23-2007, 02:17 AM
Because it doesn't have cred. I can understand that your willingness to stay spoiler-free prevented you from scanning the dates of the posts. This is an old thread, pure speculation from the day when we had no confirmations (how distant that feels now... though it went on for YEARS), resurfaced to serve an unknown purpose.
So no Natalie Portman in Indy 4? :(
Indie House
10-23-2007, 04:31 AM
Because it doesn't have cred. I can understand that your willingness to stay spoiler-free prevented you from scanning the dates of the posts. This is an old thread, pure speculation from the day when we had no confirmations (how distant that feels now... though it went on for YEARS), resurfaced to serve an unknown purpose.
Cheers!
:hat:
Moedred
10-24-2007, 02:16 PM
This is an old thread... resurfaced to serve an unknown purpose
The obvious purpose is to bring together the five Indy 4 scripts by Jeb Stuart (1993), Jeff Boam (1995), Frank Darabont (2003), Jeff Nathanson (2005), and David Koepp (2006). Over the decades they were dispersed by wars, sold off by thieves... soon we will have all five Indy scripts and the Raven will be all powerful! Keep digging, true believers!
Moedred
11-18-2007, 03:32 PM
Make that 6 scripts... 2 drafts from Darabont (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1020447443067990731).
Frank says "I had crystal skulls in mine, yeah, absolutely."
Again, I timidly ask the mods: what have you been reading/smoking?
Adamwankenobi
03-13-2008, 12:50 AM
I've never seen the bookends for "Peking, March 1910", but the IMDb lists the characters Caroline, Annie, and Harry Jones for that episode. I've heard that Annie and Harry are Indy's grandkids, so that leaves Caroline, who the IMDb says was played by a "Candy Aston". Could this be the daughter? Stoo, I assume you've seen these bookends, so does she look like the same actress who played the daughter in "Ireland, April 1916"?
Whipper
03-13-2008, 02:45 AM
Could this be the daughter? Stoo, I assume you've seen these bookends, so does she look like the same actress who played the daughter in "Ireland, April 1916"?
I haven't seen that one in too long to tell ya for sure, but I seem to remember a bookend for that episode taking place during Thanksgiving dinner.
Given that Old Indy has a daughter, who do you think is the mother?
3/16/04 - 3/23/04
Marion Ravenwood 55%
Willie Scott 11%
Someone else 34%
George Lucas's Mom! You can see her picture in the living room.
I've never seen the bookends for "Peking, March 1910", but the IMDb lists the characters Caroline, Annie, and Harry Jones for that episode. I've heard that Annie and Harry are Indy's grandkids, so that leaves Caroline, who the IMDb says was played by a "Candy Aston". Could this be the daughter? Stoo, I assume you've seen these bookends, so does she look like the same actress who played the daughter in "Ireland, April 1916"?
Candy Aston-Dennis, per IMDB, was also in the Sixth Sense as "Anna's Mother"...but I can't find any pics of her on the internet...and haven't seen that movie in years to know what Anna's mother looked like.
Indy Smith
03-13-2008, 10:01 AM
George is now waiting until Harrison becomes 80ish and is going to re-shoot the bookends with him. :D
Junior Jones
03-13-2008, 10:20 AM
I've never seen the bookends for "Peking, March 1910", but the IMDb lists the characters Caroline, Annie, and Harry Jones for that episode. I've heard that Annie and Harry are Indy's grandkids, so that leaves Caroline, who the IMDb says was played by a "Candy Aston". Could this be the daughter? Stoo, I assume you've seen these bookends, so does she look like the same actress who played the daughter in "Ireland, April 1916"?
The bookends for "Peking" are intriguing and frustrating at the same time. It's Thanksgiving Dinner and there are about a dozen people around the table, but most don't have lines. Who are they all? Some call Indy "dad", and the kids call him "grandpa". But there are very few clues about who's related how, who are the in-laws, etc.
Indy Smith
03-13-2008, 10:29 AM
The bookends for "Peking" are intriguing and frustrating at the same time. It's Thanksgiving Dinner and there are about a dozen people around the table, but most don't have lines. Who are they all? Some call Indy "dad", and the kids call him "grandpa". But there are very few clues about who's related how, who are the in-laws, etc.
Indy got around and had a lot of illigitmate kids :-P
Adamwankenobi
03-13-2008, 11:10 AM
The bookends for "Peking" are intriguing and frustrating at the same time. It's Thanksgiving Dinner and there are about a dozen people around the table, but most don't have lines. Who are they all? Some call Indy "dad", and the kids call him "grandpa". But there are very few clues about who's related how, who are the in-laws, etc.
Wow. I must see that! :eek:
The bookends for "Peking" are intriguing and frustrating at the same time. It's Thanksgiving Dinner and there are about a dozen people around the table, but most don't have lines. Who are they all? Some call Indy "dad", and the kids call him "grandpa". But there are very few clues about who's related how, who are the in-laws, etc.Actually there are no clues at all as to how Indy is related to any of them.
We assume it is his family and his house but no one calls him "dad" or "grandpa".
The only thing said relationship-wise is Indy to Harry, "Your mother is right".
I'm not saying it *isn't* his family/house but without any strong reference
there is a lot of room for speculation.
I've never seen the bookends for "Peking, March 1910", but the IMDb lists the characters Caroline, Annie, and Harry Jones for that episode. I've heard that Annie and Harry are Indy's grandkids, so that leaves Caroline, who the IMDb says was played by a "Candy Aston". Could this be the daughter? Stoo, I assume you've seen these bookends, so does she look like the same actress who played the daughter in "Ireland, April 1916"?The "Ireland" daughter is not at the Thanksgiving dinner. There is a woman
across the table that could be her but the hair doesn't match.
Anyway, she calls Indy "dad" and says that they are late for a grandparent's day
at Lucy's school. So, this woman is either a daughter or the wife of Indy's son
(who is comfortable calling him "dad").
I would go with the daughter because that would explain her abscense at
Thanksgiving. She was spending it with hubby's side of the family. Plus, the
unseen Lucy confirms that he has, at least, 2 grandchildren.
Another person missing from the dinner is Spike! (Is he too busy re-stringing
his guitar to come down for some turkey?) He is most likely son of "Ireland"
daughter and brother to Lucy.
Adamwankenobi
03-13-2008, 01:16 PM
Maybe they're all related to Alyssa Jones from Chasing Amy, who also lives in New Jersey during the 90s. :p
Another person missing from the dinner is Spike! (Is he too busy re-stringing
his guitar to come down for some turkey?) He is most likely son of "Ireland"
daughter and brother to Lucy.
I say he's Mutt's son... if Mutt is in fact Indy's son. And of course Mutt isn't present at the table either so maybe they're off on a father-son... bike ride or something. ;)
Mutt isn't present at the table either so maybe they're off on a father-son... bike ride or something. ;)Ha ha. Funny!:D
I would like to know "Ireland" daughter's name but actors/characters that
appear in the bookends don't seem to be listed in the closing credits.:(
(The only exception being "Mystery of the Blues", I think.)
...and, hey, Mutt could very well be there. There are 4 contenders at the table.;)
Matinee... where'd ya go?
Will I ever find out who the red-haired girl is?
:(I have just found what you are looking for!:D
In the UK episodes of “Chicago, April 1920” & “Chicago, May 1920”
(“Mystery of the Blues”) they are actually credits for the actors
appearing in the bookends.
Among them are:
Mark Auerbach...“Spike the Grandson”
Susan Bigelow...“Old Indy’s Daughter”
I was right! The red-haired daughter is Spike’s mom.
Here's a picture of M.Auerbach:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1019670/
The daughter doesn't have any lines in this one but she's in the closing
bookend of "May" and it's definitely the same woman. So, there you have it!
Adamwankenobi
03-21-2008, 02:24 PM
Awesome! I've added that to the wiki. :) There goes my Mutt > Spike theory though... unless she is, as you suggested, Indy's daughter-in-law. ;)
For the record, Susan Bigelow's IMDb page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0081760/) lists her birth as 1952.
Well, it looks like we now have a name for her and it's Daphne!
Curious as to where "Empire" got the info...
http://www.empireonline.com/indy/day5/
Adamwankenobi
04-28-2008, 01:53 PM
Well, it looks like we now have a name for her and it's Daphne!
Curious as to where "Empire" got the info...
http://www.empireonline.com/indy/day5/
They got the name from Wikipedia. And it's false info because, and I'm kind of embarassed to admit this, I thought Old Indy was saying "Daphne" instead of "damnation" at the end of the "Ireland" episode. I listened to it several times, and it clearly sounded to me like he was saying "Daphne". So I foolishly added it to Wikipedia. :o
And since I never got around to removing it, I'm headed over there now... :eek:
I listened to it several times, and it clearly sounded to me like he was saying "Daphne". So I foolishly added it to Wikipedia. :oYou should have ran it by me, first.:p You're a good man for admitting it, though.:hat:
And since I never got around to removing it, I'm headed over there now... :eek:Go clean up your mess!;) :) :whip:
That would have been hilarious if this timeline was printed in the "Empire" Indy issue!:D
Actually, I think the name is quite fitting because of the red hair (think Daphne from Scooby-Doo.:))
Junior Jones
04-28-2008, 02:58 PM
I was thinking that maybe Daphne is the name of Rick McCallum's dog.
TalonCard
04-29-2008, 01:31 AM
LOL! If you say it often enough, it'll become true (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sian_Duursema).
TC
I was thinking that maybe Daphne is the name of Rick McCallum's dog.Ha! You never know. (It would be interesting to know if he has a dog.)
Anyway, until we learn otherwise, we can refer to her as Daphne.:)
Adamwankenobi
04-30-2008, 12:12 AM
Anyway, until we learn otherwise, we can refer to her as Daphne.:)
It seems I've started something here. ;)
OldIndy2323
05-11-2008, 03:08 PM
Here's what I have come up with on this topic using a bit of research and some speculation:
1958: Susan Jones is born to Indy and Marion (Using the actress's age in "Ireland 1916" and named "Susan" after Indy's sister who died as an infant --"Peking 1910". Although highly unusual, it's not impossible that the child was Indy's and Marion's, based on their ages)
1958: Caroline Jones is born to Mutt after a whirlwind romance (age of actress in "Peking 1910", Caroline says, "..how's it look Grandpa..")
1977: Susan Jones marries and gives birth to Mark/"Spike" (named "Mark" after the actor who portrayed him and using the only possible age for Susan Jones to have a 16 year old son in 1993--"Mystery of the Blues" UK version)
1982: Susan Jones gives birth to Lucy (age of character in "Ireland 1916", based on the idea of an elementary school grandparent's tea and a logical age spread between siblings.)
1986: Caroline Jones gives birth to Annie Jones, Indy's first great grandchild (age of actress in "Peking 1910" and Old Indy's narration, "...my father, your great great grandfather...")
1988: Caroline Jones gives birth to Harry Jones, Indy's second great grandchild (age of actor in "Peking 1910", same quote as above plus, "..your mother's right...")
How'd I do?
Crack that whip
05-11-2008, 04:49 PM
Here's what I have come up with on this topic using a bit of research and some speculation:
1958: Susan Jones is born to Indy and Marion (Using the actress's age in "Ireland 1916" and named "Susan" after Indy's sister who died as an infant --"Peking 1910". Although highly unusual, it's not impossible that the child was Indy's and Marion's, based on their ages)
1958: Caroline Jones is born to Mutt after a whirlwind romance (age of actress in "Peking 1910", Caroline says, "..how's it look Grandpa..")
1977: Susan Jones marries and gives birth to Mark/"Spike" (named "Mark" after the actor who portrayed him and using the only possible age for Susan Jones to have a 16 year old son in 1993--"Mystery of the Blues" UK version)
1982: Susan Jones gives birth to Lucy (age of character in "Ireland 1916", based on the idea of an elementary school grandparent's tea and a logical age spread between siblings.)
1986: Caroline Jones gives birth to Annie Jones, Indy's first great grandchild (age of actress in "Peking 1910" and Old Indy's narration, "...my father, your great great grandfather...")
1988: Caroline Jones gives birth to Harry Jones, Indy's second great grandchild (age of actor in "Peking 1910", same quote as above plus, "..your mother's right...")
How'd I do?
Well, we don't know yet Mutt is related to Indy (at least, I don't, and if you know better I'd appreciate your keeping it under your hat for another week and a half or so)...
1958: Susan Jones is born to Indy and Marion (Using the actress's age in "Ireland 1916" and named "Susan" after Indy's sister who died as an infant --"Peking 1910".Not to mention, the name of the actress, Susan Bigelow. Perfect! I like it.
So, would her name be Susan Daphne Jones or Daphne Susan Jones?;)
1958: Caroline Jones is born to Mutt after a whirlwind romance (age of actress in "Peking 1910", Caroline says, "..how's it look Grandpa..")Holy crap! I never heard this before (since I barely ever watch this episode.)
You're right! Re: the turkey, "How does it look, Gran'pa?" It comes near the
beginning with a lot of background banter. Good ear/eye, Old Indy 2323!:up:
1982: Susan Jones gives birth to Lucy (age of character in "Ireland 1916", based on the idea of an elementary school grandparent's tea and a logical age spread between siblings.)Yeah, anywhere between 1981-1987 would fit.
Old Indy's narration, "...my father, your great great grandfather...")Can't believe I didn't remember this but since I never watch the episode (it puts me to sleep) it's no wonder!
How'd I do?Pretty damned good, I would say!:up: As for Mutt's lineage? We'll find out in 10 days! Woo-hoo!
Actually there are no clues at all as to how Indy is related to any of them.
We assume it is his family and his house but no one calls him "dad" or "grandpa".
The only thing said relationship-wise is Indy to Harry, "Your mother is right".I stand corrected. Tip o' the hat to you, Old Indy 2323, and my apologies to Junior Jones!:hat: :o
Here's the twister, though...Caroline (a grandaughter) looks about 5-10 years older than Susan Daphne (a daughter)!
Flannery10
05-11-2008, 08:52 PM
Can't believe I didn't remember this but since I never watch the episode (it puts me to sleep) it's no wonder!
Peking puts you to sleep? That's weird. I think it's a pretty exciting episode and Ruth de Sosa gives of her best performance of the series (ok, tied with Florence).
TalonCard
05-11-2008, 11:46 PM
So Indy possibly has a daughter and grandaughter around the same age? I know it happens, but how weird would that be? ;)
TC
tupogirl
05-12-2008, 09:25 AM
So Indy possibly has a daughter and grandaughter around the same age? I know it happens, but how weird would that be? ;)
TC
Well knowing how the Jones' men roll, lol...Indy could have a daughter and a sister (or son and brother, etc) from the same woman!
Adamwankenobi
05-12-2008, 01:37 PM
Well knowing how the Jones' men roll, lol...Indy could have a daughter and a sister (or son and brother, etc) from the same woman!
LMAO! Maybe they're from Elsa. :p
Flannery10
05-12-2008, 02:28 PM
LMAO! Maybe they're from Elsa. :p
Might be a little hard to give birth down in a deep hole, eh?;)
tupogirl
05-12-2008, 03:44 PM
LOL!!! It ends up being twin baby spawns of Satan. Oh wait, I think that was a Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode!
That would be an entertaining fanfic to write, Buffy and Indy. Stuck on the Lost island.
Adamwankenobi
05-12-2008, 05:14 PM
Might be a little hard to give birth down in a deep hole, eh?;)
I think I was drunk when I wrote that. ;)
OldIndy2323
05-12-2008, 06:26 PM
Hey thanks Stoo!
As for Indy's daughter's name, I'd still go with "Susan", after Indy's lost sister, but "Daphne" works great for the middle name. The "official" confusion could be explained by saying that since Susan Jones was in high school in the mid-Seventies, her middle name stuck because of her reddish hair and the prevalence of "Scooby Doo".
And as for Caroline looking older than Susan, Caroline's life was probably a lot rougher than Susan's; less stability and more adventure with her young, adventurous, rebellious father.
AnnieJones
07-24-2009, 02:43 PM
i recently heard for the first time that indy had a daughter in the tv series, and she makes an appearence. who played her, and doesn anyone have any pics?
Indy's daughter can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtRc-msCAY
And found here,Old Indy's daughter - Indiana Jones Wiki: http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Indy%27s_daughter
Moedred
07-24-2009, 05:00 PM
Since this thread began in 2002, a daughter in Indy 4 was pure speculation, until Lucas stated in last year's Complete Making Of book: "Once we put Marion in the movie and knew they were going to be reunited, we first thought there should be a daughter Indy didn't know about. She was going to be 13, a little spitfire."
Indy's daughter can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRtRc-msCAYUnfortunately, that's a rather low-grade recording. Hang on for Chapter 9 of The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles!;)
And found here,Old Indy's daughter - Indiana Jones Wiki: http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Indy%27s_daughterFYI, Annie, much of the information was quickly sourced from this very thread (as in: Who played her, 1st appearance, mother relation to Spike & Lucy, etc.) and originally posted here by yours truly (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=3536&page=7) last year on Pages 6-7.:p
P.S. For anyone looking back on this, please do not confuse Adamwankenobi's posts with mine. (He used the same avatar.)
Since this thread began in 2002, a daughter in Indy 4 was pure speculation, until Lucas stated in last year's Complete Making Of book: "Once we put Marion in the movie and knew they were going to be reunited, we first thought there should be a daughter Indy didn't know about. She was going to be 13, a little spitfire."If there had been a daughter in Indy 4 then the main villain would've been, mostly likely, a man (and not what's-her-face...Spalko).
AnnieJones
07-28-2009, 05:09 PM
Unfortunately, that's a rather low-grade recording. Hang on for Chapter 9 of The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles!;)Ooo,can't wait! Thanks for the heads up Stoo!
lao che & sons
08-02-2009, 05:43 PM
She looks like she could've been born in 1966 maybe. Now if this is Marions or not is a completely different topic.:D
She looks like she could've been born in 1966 maybe. Now if this is Marions or not is a completely different topic.:DRemember that this is from 1993. "Susan/Daphne" looks older than 27 and the question about who her mother could be is completely on-topic!;)
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