Vin Diesel as villian-It'd be cool huh?

[Indy 007]

i was thinking that it'd be cool with vin diesel as the villian in indy4. of course, his pricetag would be way up there too. still, i think he'd be great, since he's so dark and brooding sometimes. i'd be fine with it, but i think we've already had too(parden the pun) many hairless headed villian(vogel and moloram). am i missing any here?

[Indy 256]

Naah Diesel is the comercial action hero of the '00 (as in '90). I don't really see him playing the villan.

[Randy_Flagg]

Nah, no Diesel. He's too modern somehow... don't know if that makes any sense. I'd rather see somebody like Kenneth Branagh as a clever, smooth-talking villain, rather than just a tough-guy villain. Of course, he'd have a slew of hench men to beat Indy up, so we'd still get that aspect.

[swords]

wow! that actually sounds like a good idea. but i don't think he would work as the main villian, but maybe as a precursor to the story. maybe as a new york gangster who's pissed at indy for stealing his girlfriend or something. i don't know how that would fit, but i can picture vin diesal as a small villain, like the villain at the beginning of last crusade on the boat.

[00Kevin]

that stinks, the ultimate villian would be CHRISTOPHER LEE

[Attila the Professor]

Hmm...Omar Sharif is still around - maybe he can play a bridge-playing Panama Hat type - no, I don't know where that's coming from.

[Raffey]

Vin Diesel is a one dimension actor and would make a terrible adversary unless you made him a Pat Roach type thug and gave him no lines.

I'd prefer a intectual adversary played by a decent actor. Maybe Gary Oldman or Anthony Hopskins.

[Indy 007]

lets not bash diesel please. i think hes kinda cool, but not indy cool. i thought fast and the furious was great, but not real good acting. anyway, i've always wanted a THE HAUNTED MESA video adaption made to screen, and have always pictured vin diesel as the main villian(zipacna). the shaved head and major muscles just seem great as villian matrerial whens he's in a dark mood.

i even thought he did a great acting job in saving private ryan, though i though the whole plot for the movie was, well, not to coppy the movie, but FUBAR. if youve seen it, you know what it means.

[QueZTone]

LOL Raffey, you really insulted our beloved Pat Roach there :p

[Indy 007]

yeah, QueZTone, he really did. he should be,snicker, banned from the board for that.

[Indy 256]

Christopher Lee is a great idea:)
Brad Dourif impressed me in TTT he might be a good villan.

[swords]

i thought vin diesal was quite menacing in pitch black. well until he turned into a good guy in the second half.

[Raffey]

Originally posted by QueZTone
LOL Raffey, you really insulted our beloved Pat Roach there :p

What insult? He play a a number of thugs in the IJ trilogy that didn't have any lines, if I remember correctly. I doubt if the ex wrestler was ever in Oscar contention! :p :D

[Attila the Professor]

Yeah Raff's right - in LC he didn't even get a chance to be a thug, just considered one from what history tells us...he plays thugs (well, technically, only one Thug, but you know what I mean...;))

[westford]

Don't think Vin Diesel would work in IJ...

Doubt if any of you will have seen it, but the BBC1 show Deadringers has a great 'British bad guys' sketch every week with Ian McKellan and Alan Rickman fighting over who should play the bad guy in a film. They end up killing each other, then Brian Blessed shows up to fill in... LOL! OK, you'd have to see it to get it I guess... But Alan Rickman would be cool! (Thinking more along the lines of the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves than Prof. Snape... ;) )

[Indy 256]

Ah yes, Alan Rickman is a great villan. The '50's version of the guy he played in Die Hard (and some serious adjustments)

[Marion]

Originally posted by Indy 256
Naah Diesel is the comercial action hero of the '00 (as in '90). I don't really see him playing the villan.

I agree. I don't think that there would be good chemestry betwixt harrison and vin. not that i am degrading them as actors or whatever and i am not saying that they could never work together. I just dont think that it would work in an Indy film.

[bob]

Van Diesel as a villian might be 'cool' but it wouldnt be interesting, Indy villians are very different from normal villians they seem to be men that have fallen into evil in their pursuit of the power of the artifact in question except the Muscle roles (Toht, Vogel etc) Van Diesel cannot really do either and besides i dont really care for him as an actor.

[Barryson Ford]

I rather see someone like Ian Mckellen as the villian...

[Indy 007]

we-re talking about Vin Diesel, Not whoever this Van Diesel is? whos he? wad-did he play in ? hahaha, sonofa--. anyway, thisis ford were talking about. he seems to have a nautrual fear of guys with bigger muscles than him. still, maybe not as a lead villian, maybe henchman? i like his flicks.

[DrJones56]

I wouldn't mind someone like Rickman or Hoppkins, Oldman was already a bad guy reverse to Ford, but he did a mean russian. Diesel? That guy's a joke, he's nothing, he's a bad action 'hero' who has no tallen and should have never made a movie, why would anyone consider him?

Hoppkins would be a scary villian, cause you know the first thing everyone's going to think of is Hannible Lecter, not Hearts in Atlantis! :p Rickman is a genius, he was awesome in Die Hard, perfect villian, he'd be great as well. Who knows? We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

[Attila the Professor]

Seems to me it should be someone who we don't really know of, like Freeman and Puri and Glover (no offense to 3 fine actors), not some big Hollywood star. After all, the only 3 big stars in Western cinema that appeared in the trilogy are Harrison Ford, Sean Connery, and Dan Aykroid.

[Claire]

Originally posted by Raffey
Vin Diesel is a one dimension actor and would make a terrible adversary unless you made him a Pat Roach type thug and gave him no lines.

I'd prefer a intectual adversary played by a decent actor. Maybe Gary Oldman or Anthony Hopskins.

Must agree with you. I really don't see Vin's appeal. He's got a great agent and publicist though. But, it won't last forever. Five years from now, it'll be "Vin who?"

I like your idea of an intellectual adversary. Hopkins would be great. Oldman would be awesome, but rumor has it he might be a little busy. Rumor is he's signed on for Harry Potter 3 and 4, but there's been no confirmation. Speaking of which, it's too bad Alan Rickman will be busy as well.

What about Sam Rockwell? Jeremy Irons? Ed Norton?

[Claire]

Originally posted by westford

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(Thinking more along the lines of the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves than Prof. Snape... ;) )

"Locksley! I'll cut your heart out with a spoon!"

"Why a spoon, cousin?"

"Because it's dull, you twit! It'll hurt more!"

:)

[bob]

I think i will reserve my opinions on the casting of the villain until we know something about the villian as there is a great difference between a Vogel and a Donovan.

[Indy 4]

Originally posted by westford
Don't think Vin Diesel would work in IJ...

Doubt if any of you will have seen it, but the BBC1 show Deadringers has a great 'British bad guys' sketch every week with Ian McKellan and Alan Rickman fighting over who should play the bad guy in a film. They end up killing each other, then Brian Blessed shows up to fill in... LOL! OK, you'd have to see it to get it I guess... But Alan Rickman would be cool! (Thinking more along the lines of the Sheriff of Nottingham in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves than Prof. Snape... ;) )

Alan Rickman would be a VERY good choice as a villan in the new Indy film. I would also like to see as others here mentioned Christopher Lee, Anthony Hopkins, or Gary Oldmen play the lead villan.
But on Vin Diesal playing a villian, I two words to say about that one,NO WAY!!!(Sorry to all you Vin Diesal fans out there.):D

[IndyMac]

Vin Diesel? Are you high? He doesn't even make a viable HERO. Let alone a bad guy. He has a lot of things going against him.
1. He can't act. He can't, end of story.
2. He wouldn't be believable.
3...I don't need to continue.

If he were an unknown and was hired as the big guy Indy faces throughout the trilogy, (Like Big guy in Bar, or thugee guard.) Then it might work. But he couldn't have any lines.

As to who would make a good villian, I think Gary Oldman as the Donovan/Belloq type is ideal casting. Then maybe I would choose an unknown for the Vogel type.

[Indy 007]

believable? you think everything in indy is totally believable? even if he was just in it briefly, it'd draw even more people to the theaters. vin diesel has a big fan base, and it'd draw most of his fans and possibly turn them onto indy as well. i mean, the dude who fights indy under the plane was cool, and did tn act. i mean, yall could be right. maybe just a small villian, or something, but i think it'd be pretty cool, since he looks really menacing.

[bob]

Vin Diesel would cost millions no question about it, even if he wanted to do it he is tied to doing those horrible thrill by numbers XXX films (which he will be making 2 more sequels probably until 2006!) and the studio guards him zealously. So it would become a cameo which would cost millions (ever heard of the fee for playing Jor-El in Superman?).

Indy does not need to build a fan base in fact having Diesel in it would cause indifference to most and hostility to some of the fans of Indy, esps we old(ish) campaigners. Kids generally dont care about star pull they care about the movie and even if they are Diesel fans more will be fans of Indiana Jones.
Also for me having him in it with connotations of the modern 2000s would spoil the atmosphere of them.
If you are looking for hardmen then there are hundreds of them in Hollywood and none of them cost 7 figure sums!

[Scaramanga]

Vin Deasel wouldn't be a good villain. Christpher Lee would probably be good If he wasn't already the badguy in Lord of the Rings, Star Wars 2, Dracula andThe man with the golden gun. They should pick someone old and scary.

[Canyon]

I think that either Ian McKellon, Jason Isaacs or Alan Rickman would make fantastic bad guys.

They're not just great actors, but they've got great screen prescence and are extremely charasmatic as well.

[Marcus Petrius]

Vin Diesel would be a great villain. I have this idea for a part:
Diesel is mindlessly destroying age old artifacts. Just hammering them.
Indy: Why are you doing that?
Diesel: donno.
Indy: There must be a reason for doing this?
Diesel: donno.


My main point: Diesel is only fit to play complete morons with no mind whatsoever. Indy villains are smart enough to outsmart Indy, Diesel would never be able to play anyone able to outsmart even Sallah.

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Canyon
I think that either Ian McKellon, Jason Isaacs or Alan Rickman would make fantastic bad guys.

They're not just great actors, but they've got great screen prescence and are extremely charasmatic as well.

Good Ideas, perhaps Jeremy Irons? (SP?)

[westford]

Yeah, Jeremy Irons makes a great bad guy, which is a little worrying if you've ever seen clips of his kid's TV days...

[swords]

Jeremy Irons and Allan Rickman? Seems as if everybody wants Die Hard type villians, which is cool. How about Anthony Hopkins? All he would have to do is bring in his Hannibal type screen persona, but not eat people, but his passions involve archeaology.

I've noticed that everybody prefers British actors, which is fine.

I think Vin Diesal would be a great villain, but not in a Indy film. The best villian(well later he becomes good)he played was in Pitch Black.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

No one would take Deisal seriously. He looks like a hairless, stupid ape (I apologize to all the apes out there). I just can't stand him, he's a terrible actor (if you want to call him that). In fact, I wouldn't call him an 'actor', the only thing he has going for him is big muscles. It's a shame that all the general public sees now is big muscles, and they don't care about talent.

Personally, I think a British villain would be great (my god, I love the British; there smooth velvety voices, and I've never seen a bad British actor :)). But I would rather wait until we know more about the movie before we start picking actors.

But since we are, how about someone younger than Ford? Jude Law, I think would be a great menacing villain. But if we are going for someone older, Alan Rickman all the way.

The Amazing Spider-Man

[00Kevin]

I'm ganan agree with you Spider-Man, except, I'm going for Christopher Lee of Alan

he has been in everything, a bond film, a SW film (soon to be 2), the LOTR trilogy

he was in an episode of Young Indiana Jones Chronicals, but that's not the same, I think he'ld be perfect for An Indy Villian

plus his TOWERing (no pun intended, wasn't even funny) height would make him a good person to have a one on one fist fight with

[swords]

How about some unknown actors? All of the actors i.e Rickman, Irons, Lee and Mckellen(oh, and Diesal of course) are pretty famous. Not like Paul Freeman, the actors who played Mola Ram(well this actor is famous in India cinema, but not American)and Donavan. Maybe some unknown talents are better?

[00Kevin]

(ya never heard of Julian Glover?)

[westford]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
Personally, I think a British villain would be great (my god, I love the British; there smooth velvety voices, and I've never seen a bad British actor :)).


You've never watched British soap operas then...? ;)

[Indy 4]

Ian McDirmid, who played Emperor and Supreme Chancellor Palpatine in the Star Wars movies could also be a good Indy villan. As long as he not featured with a robe again.:D

[Aaron H]

How about the "big boss" be female? Yeah there was Elsa, but she was just a cronie to the Nazi's. What if there was a female Lao Che?

[Raffey]

An over 50+ year-old man vs a woman doesn't really ring 'adventurous cliffhanger' to me! :D

Now, if the woman was a young cybernetic robot sent back in time to destroy the entire human race vs a 50+ year-old man...that's different story! And,...a different sequel! :p

[Broomhandle Davis]

Diesel? You have to be kidding. You need a educated, archaeologically savvy villain, not a blunt instrument. Diesel survives because his origins are ambiguous and so he appeals to all groups.

Max Von Syndow would be a good one. Thoughtful and not inherently dangerous looking. No one with a cultured English accent, please. I'm getting tired of everyone who ever studied Shakespeare in acting school being cast as an elitest devil. You can be sure, on TV anyway, if an actor speaks with any fastidiousness he will be the bad guy. Look at Lithgow in Cliffhanger. Shot that knockout lady pilot without hesitation, evil I tell you.

If he talks like Vin Diesel or Sylvester Stallone, he is a man of the people and a hero.

[swords]

Originally posted by Aaron H
How about the "big boss" be female? Yeah there was Elsa, but she was just a cronie to the Nazi's. What if there was a female Lao Che?

Hey! this hasn't been discussed before. I think it sounds like a great idea, I would be in favour for a female antagonist. And not just a Panama Hat or Lao Che, but as the main baddie(maybe another thread is in order?).

[Indy 007]

ok, i give up. maybe leonardo dicrapio. just kidding, another mororn.

[swords]

Originally posted by Indy 007
ok, i give up. maybe leonardo dicrapio. just kidding, another mororn.

How about Adam Sandler? Oh ya, same case.:D

[Indy 4]

Originally posted by swords
Originally posted by Indy 007
ok, i give up. maybe leonardo dicrapio. just kidding, another mororn.

How about Adam Sandler? Oh ya, same case.:D


You know Chris Rock and Jackie Chan could also work as Indy's friends!:D :D :D

[Finn]

And Ali G. Period. ;)

[Claire]

You know Chris Rock and Jackie Chan could also work as Indy's friends!:D :D :D [/B]

Okay, if we're thinking bizarre... What about Owen Wilson as the villan? He can do evil see The Minus Man.

[gbr]

vin diesel?
i'm sorry but i'd have to go with an emphatic no.
Look what garbage character he has already started...he ripped off james bond big time...i don't think he deserves to be in such a film..no there's talk about XXX sequels...i figure you limit his roles to that and just wait before he gets off his high horse

[Finn]

Guys, somebody less known, as in other films as well. Only big star in Indy IV should HF... (well, maybe SC as well, but that's it!)

[bob]

Originally posted by Finn
Guys, somebody less known, as in other films as well. Only big star in Indy IV should HF... (well, maybe SC as well, but that's it!)

Is it me or has this thread expanded from an attack on Van Diesel to every Big Star (except HF, SC) who may star in this?! :)

[Finn]

*cough*... it's not the staff policy... *cough*

[whipster]

Vin Diesel could work as a villian, but only if he could do a Russian accent. I just don't see that happening.

[Patrick]

I think if Vinny did an Indy movie would be a good idea as to make him seem as not as just a bad action hero, Like how Rocky made Stallone ( Well to me) a respectable actor. I think he should be a maniacal guy, or make Indy get in a fight with both Pat and Vin :D. That'd be funny... how'd would he win?

[Patrick]

Hey! I know he's a spoiled person who, by luck scored a movie career as a action hero. But as a person, I think if he tried, than he could probably become a average actor.

[Attila the Professor]

I'd go for the British stage actor...unless he's an "ethnic" villain, that's the tradition.

[Patrick]

Yeah, I don't like Vin ( Just his movies, I don't know him so I can't say anything) On the other hand, I'm just trying to give him a little credit.

[Canyon]

Actually, thinking about it maybe having Vin Diesel as a bad guy might not necessarily be a bad thing.

I know of someone (a friend of a friend) who hates Harrison :mad: and likes Vin, so to see HF beat the hell out of Vin and see the villan's death would be an interesting thing to see - no offence to fans of Diesel... :D

[swords]

Die Canyan, die! Im Vin's biggest fan.:P

[Canyon]

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