Indiana's Son? [Archive]

thegreatimposter

05-03-2003, 07:58 PM

Could it fly? Could Indiana Jones have a son with Marion, only didn't know it until Marion returned with an eleven year old offspring?

Someone wrote a Fanfic called "Indiana Jones and the Sons of Darkness" and in it he had Indy's son go off to look for Noah's Ark. It was pretty good, but what do you think? Son of Indy, yay or nay?

swords

05-03-2003, 09:19 PM

It wasn't a fan fic, it was a script, a real one now available for download. I havn't read it, but I think this is the one with Indy's brother, right? *gag*Tom Sellect, does anyone remember that rumour?

I don't believe there will be some kind of offspring, actually, I don't want there to be some kind of off spring. In other words, no son, daughter, brother, sister, etc, etc, etc. and on and on and on and on, and so forth.

So no, I don't believe it could fly, also, why is Marion always the lucky girl to bear children for Indy? Is Willie infertile or something? :D

monkey

05-04-2003, 12:58 AM

Too much peroxide in her hair.

bob

05-04-2003, 08:09 AM

I think that with some certainty from ToD and LC we know that something new will be thrown into the melting pot and we wont get a straight Indiana Jones adventure....

If done correctly the son/daughter idea could work as the child could have been born in the 20's (making them in late 20's in 50's and thus not just ANOTHER child sidekick) or could have been born in 1936 (making child teenager)

I get the feeling that Indy IV will be the sequel to LC (think about it) and that requires the film to have a good heart and some sort of emotional entanglement.

Aaron H

05-04-2003, 08:24 AM

Without doubt there will be some form of offspring in IV. I also would not be suprised to see Indy's brother involved in some way.

Randy_Flagg

05-05-2003, 08:29 AM

If they MUST put offspring in there, I just hope it's not a kid.

What I DO think could work is that Indy's son/daughter is now in his/her twenties and resents Indy for not being around. In a sense it would mirror the resentment Indy felt towards his own father, and Indy would have to come to terms with this. Of course the difference would be that Indy didn't know about the kid, but even that would give Indy something to think about-- Why are his relationships so fleeting and insignificant? If the mother is Marion or Willie, why did he run off and leave behind whatever relationship he had with them? I think this sort of drama and character development could work really well, and it could cap off the series nicely by showing how Indy feels the need to change his life. I just hope that they don't focus TOO strongly on the drama... this is an action movie, after all, isn't it? Last Crusade found a good balance, so I have confidence this one will too.

Randy_Flagg

05-05-2003, 08:39 AM

A quick P.S. to my last post-- I DON'T want Indy to have a "long lost brother" in this movie. Come one, that's bordering on soap opera territory! And I suppose Elsa will be back too? She'll be played by a different actress, but that's easily explained because of the reconstructive surgery she needed after falling into the pit. Nah, Indy doesn't have a brother. It would also make the Young Indy series seem even MORE unrelated to the movies.

bob

05-05-2003, 09:51 AM

A long lost brother would be an incredibly lazy twist and i dont see any reason why the long lost brother would become involved in the big treasure hunt, i mean dont people with long lost family usually go for a drink or swap memories rather than going on some sort of supernatural treasure hunt.

Henry really doesnt seem the type to be promiscious....

However it could be just corny enough to work....

swords

05-05-2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Randy_Flagg
If they MUST put offspring in there, I just hope it's not a kid.

What I DO think could work is that Indy's son/daughter is now in his/her twenties and resents Indy for not being around. In a sense it would mirror the resentment Indy felt towards his own father, and Indy would have to come to terms with this. Of course the difference would be that Indy didn't know about the kid, but even that would give Indy something to think about-- Why are his relationships so fleeting and insignificant? If the mother is Marion or Willie, why did he run off and leave behind whatever relationship he had with them? I think this sort of drama and character development could work really well, and it could cap off the series nicely by showing how Indy feels the need to change his life. I just hope that they don't focus TOO strongly on the drama... this is an action movie, after all, isn't it? Last Crusade found a good balance, so I have confidence this one will too.

The way you say it here doesn't sound too bad actually. But yeah, no bro...

Skeletor

05-05-2003, 11:57 AM

I really hope he won't have a son or daughter in the new movie.

I want the last Indiana Jones movie to be one last classic adventure. Not a son of Indy movie.

thegreatimposter

05-05-2003, 12:42 PM

Now hold on a minute, everyone. Just because something is NEW doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be BAD. Son of Indy? Difficult to imagine it retaining the radio cliffhanger quality of the previous Indy flicks, but it sure might be a good movie. The mummy returns was a horrid film, I thought. But, I do give a nod to some of the adventure elements of the movie as well as the concept of the hero having a son. It played well. I think Indy could work, especially with conflict between Indy and Marion about Indy being the father. The son trying to prove himself to Indy, Indy's brother gettin' with Willie...(I just added that last one) But hey, there could be some great conflict, and maybe we'll get a spin off, Son of Indy Adventures.

Don't knock it till you've had a chance to throw around some of the possibilities. Until now, Indy usually only had the female lead to worry about, now he has a SON. He and Short Round played well off each other, imagine a curious son trying to get to know his father while off on an Indiana Adventure. Imagine Marion Ravenwood not far behind throwing fists at Indiana for taking their son off on some wild adventure, or at least getting him involved. Imagine the tension if they bump into Willie Scott.

Randy_Flagg

05-05-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Skeletor
I really hope he won't have a son or daughter in the new movie.

I want the last Indiana Jones movie to be one last classic adventure. Not a son of Indy movie.

I agree, but there's no reason why the presence of his son/daughter would have to prevent this from being a classic Indy adventure. Think about it, if Henry hadn't been in Last Crusade, and we were suddenly told that Indy's father would be in the next Indy film, we'd all be saying, "No! That's no good! It's never going to work!" But it did work, I think. What's more, it added a new dimension to the Indy character. Lucas was able to incorporate a father/son drama into the plot, and yet it still remained an exciting adventure above all else. I used to be completely against the idea of Indy having an offspring in the film, but the more I think about it, the more I think it could add some really interesting dynamics (particularly if the son/daughter is old enough and harbors some resentment... I don't want to see a precocious or whiny kid.)

Randy_Flagg

05-05-2003, 01:14 PM

Another scenario I can picture, based on the scenario I set up in an earlier post--

Henry's dying, and looks closely at Indy. "Something's bothering you, Indiana."

"I have a son, dad," Indy replies.

"A son? My God, I had no idea. I'm a grandfather. When did this happen?"

"A long time ago. Twenty-two years. I never knew about it either. I wasted the past twenty-two years of my life... his life... searching for buried trinkets, and he hates me for it now. Ah hell, I'd hate me too."

"Indiana... it's not too late."

"Of course it's too late, dad. He's grown up now, he doesn't need a father, and he sure as hell doesn't want want me as one."

"Then do it for yourself. Finding you again, son, was the best thing that ever happened to me."

Indy laughs. "Finding ME? Dad, I found YOU."

"You're missing the point, Junior. Be a father to him. God, how I wish someone had given ME that advice years ago, but I'm giving it to you now: Go be a father to your son."

(Obviously I have no talent with dialogue whatsoever, but you get the idea. Henry would die moments after this, leaving Indy to rethink his life. It's admittedly corny, but I can easily picture something like this playing out on screen.)

00Kevin

05-05-2003, 01:58 PM

i have a buddy on the inside, he got his hands on a script, and it seems GL is running out of Ideas, also looks like the writer started on the last scene, then went to the begining

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John, a young man, in his late teens/early tweetys. He has been a bad guy the entire film, now all his allies have been compromised by indy

John stands on the end on a tree branch on a cliff, He has no place to go. Indy runs up and offers his hand

Indy-"Come with me!"

John-"NEVER!" (prepares to jump)

Indy-"There is something you should know first!"

John-"What?" (urns toward indy)

Indy-"John...........I am your father."

John-"NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Henry Senior: (pops head over idny's shoulder) "and I'm your grandfather"

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J/K :D

but could you imagine...........

Aaron H

05-05-2003, 05:06 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!:D

That is so close!;):rolleyes:

Indy4ever

05-05-2003, 05:53 PM

Poor Elsa. She doesn't even get a chance to be considered as the mother of Indy's child! Marion and Willie always get everything!

:) j/k (Hey, you never know, Elsa could have been pregnant when she fell in the pit, and she might not have known who the daddy was. After all, both Joneses err...had their way, well you get the picture-NOW THAT sounds like a soap opera.

monkey

05-06-2003, 04:25 AM

Yeah, and DNA testing wouldn't really prove anything, would it?

NileQT87

05-10-2003, 02:29 PM

i vote for marion having a son in his late teens and naming him henry (itd piss indy for sure), and then indy and henry III meet, and henry III resents indy, and they have to go on an adventure together and henry learns to appreciate indy and indy becomes the father that his father never was to him, and therefore henry sr and junior are able to come closer together. and keep marion in the whole picture. willie can be at a restaurant singing and willie confronts indy and marion and willie meet. im writing the script man, this is actually good!

monkey

05-10-2003, 03:23 PM

As long as you throw some archaeology in there somewhere.

NileQT87

05-10-2003, 04:49 PM

thats just the subplot, you know the one that goes unnoticed in favor of truck chases and supernatural stuff. i think the hanging gardens of babylon or eden or something could be interesting.

Canyon

05-12-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Randy_Flagg
Another scenario I can picture, based on the scenario I set up in an earlier post--

Henry's dying, and looks closely at Indy. "Something's bothering you, Indiana."

"I have a son, dad," Indy replies.

"A son? My God, I had no idea. I'm a grandfather. When did this happen?"

"A long time ago. Twenty-two years. I never knew about it either. I wasted the past twenty-two years of my life... his life... searching for buried trinkets, and he hates me for it now. Ah hell, I'd hate me too."

"Indiana... it's not too late."

"Of course it's too late, dad. He's grown up now, he doesn't need a father, and he sure as hell doesn't want want me as one."

"Then do it for yourself. Finding you again, son, was the best thing that ever happened to me."

Indy laughs. "Finding ME? Dad, I found YOU."

"You're missing the point, Junior. Be a father to him. God, how I wish someone had given ME that advice years ago, but I'm giving it to you now: Go be a father to your son."

(Obviously I have no talent with dialogue whatsoever, but you get the idea. Henry would die moments after this, leaving Indy to rethink his life. It's admittedly corny, but I can easily picture something like this playing out on screen.)

No talent? Randy-Flagg I thought that was fantastic! Very moving... (sob!)

Randy_Flagg

05-12-2003, 01:01 PM

Thanks Canyon!

NileQT87

05-15-2003, 02:04 PM

randy, go find durabont and stuff this into his script somewhere. we would definitely be happy with indy IV if it did happen. im all for the untold story of marion and indy.

indyclone25

07-11-2008, 11:21 AM

ah just the ideas from the past --- look at them again and see how far and close people were

IAdventurer01

07-11-2008, 01:40 PM

randy, go find durabont and stuff this into his script somewhere. we would definitely be happy with indy IV if it did happen. im all for the untold story of marion and indy.

Any yet now so many hated it. How opinions sway. Neat relic from the past, Indyclone. :up:

HovitosKing

07-11-2008, 01:50 PM

I guess it's one of those things that sounded better in theory and on paper (digital paper? on screen? whatever). Anyway, cool that this thread gets brought back up. How many of the original contributors are still hanging around today?

Moedred

07-11-2008, 04:46 PM

NileQT87 was around 2 months ago...
hers is one of the most accurate early predictions I've seen.
marion having a son in his late teens and naming him henry (itd piss indy for sure), and then indy and henry III meet, and henry III resents indy, and they have to go on an adventure together and henry learns to appreciate indy and indy becomes the father that his father never was to him, and therefore henry sr and junior are able to come closer together. and keep marion in the whole picture.