elsa schraeder and elsa schneider

[NileQT87]

in the sound of music there is the glam blonde/blue eyed austrian baroness obsessed with greed, elsa schraeder.

in last crusade there is the glam blonde/blue eyed austrian obsessed with greed, elsa schneider.

just figured this one out. GL, SS and Durabont obviously modeled her after the baroness from SOM. similar character too. she backstabs maria. in crusade, elsa backstabs indy.

[Attila the Professor]

I've...er...never seen the film. So I can't comment intelligently...I'd like to hear what others have to say though.

[NileQT87]

Maria, a postulant in a Salzburg Abbey, is distracted from her religious duties by the majestic Alpine landscape and her restless, passionate spirit. The Mother Abbess, believing that Maria's buoyant personality may be incompatible with monastic life, wisely sends her away to discover her true calling.

Maria is to be the governess for the von Trapp family-a brood of seven children helmed by Captain von Trapp, a widowed naval officer who educates his children with military discipline. While the children behave well before their father, once out of his sight they are incorrigible pranksters, determined to make their governess miserable. Maria quickly learns that she is merely the latest in a long line of governesses scared away by the children's antics.

Leisl, the oldest Von Trapp child at 16, is in love with the 17 year old telegram boy Rolf, and they dance in the gazebo and sing "I am 16 going on 17."

The 7 children are Leisl (16), Frederich (14), Louisa (13), Kurt (11), Briggita (10), Marta (6--7 on tuesday), and gretl (5).

Ignoring the Captain's prescriptions for stern child-raising, Maria wins the children over with her natural warmth and kindness. She fashions them playclothes from drapes that used to hang in her bedroom ("The Von Trapp children don't play, they march."), takes them for picnics in the glorious Alpine countryside, teaches them to sing ("Do Re Mi")--and they respond to her care with happiness and laughter.

Together, Maria and the children stage a puppet show to entertain the Captain and his guests. Usually serious, even the Captain is charmed by Maria's contagious personality. Several nights later, the children sing at a dinner party given by the Captain to introduce his friends to his love interest, the Baroness Schraeder. Later in the party, the Captain and Maria perform an Austrian folk dance--"the Laendler"--as they look into each others eyes--they realize they have fallen in love. That night, under the pretext of helping Maria, the Baroness encourages her to leave the Trapp villa. Confused by her new emotions, Maria returns to the Abbey.

Though the Baroness tries to win the children's affections, they are inconsolable without Maria. They are further depressed by the announcement that the Captain will marry the Baroness. At the same time, Maria confesses her love for the Captain to the Mother Abbess, who encourages her to "climb every mountain" to find her true love. Maria returns to the Trapp villa but is devastated to learn of the Captain's impending marriage. The Baroness, finally unable to deny the Captain's true feelings, gracefully bows out. Now both free, the Captain and Maria make plans to marry.

While the Captain and Maria are on their honeymoon, the Anschluss takes place and the Nazis occupy Austria. Max Detweiler, a kindly uncle figure, has entered the children in the Salzburg Festival. The Captain returns to find he has been called into military service by the German army. Appalled by the Nazis, he plots an escape and the family packs hastily. While fleeing the Trapp villa, the family is spotted by storm troopers. They explain that they are merely on the way to perform at the local Salzburg festival. The family appears and sings under the watchful eye of the Nazis, planning to flee after the final number, "So Long, Farewell." The Nazis discover their plans, and the von Trapps make a dramatic escape, hiding in the Abbey (Rolf, now a Nazi attempts to turn Georg in as well) before escaping to freedom.

[Edited by NileQT87-Solo_Baggins on 05-17-2003 at 07:36 pm]

[NileQT87]

if you see both characters it will click immediately. their looks, attitudes and names are pretty much identical.

[Indy4ever]

NileQT- Good point! I thought about the connection awhile ago, but never posted.

Both Elsa's are very similar. For those who are not familiar with "The Sound of Music" go to http://www.thesoundofmusic.com for info and such. There is a picture of Eleanor Parker who played Baroness Elsa SCHRAEDER in the film.

Eleanor Parker and Alison Doody share similar features although, Eleanor was about 40 or so when she made TSOM. Another thing, TSOM is set at the same time of LC, so the costumes are similar in style.

[Rocket Surgeon]

I've...er...never seen the film. So I can't comment intelligently...I'd like to hear what others have to say though.
You haven't seen The Sound of Music?!!

Great parallel...next time I watch with the kids I'll keep an eye out...:up:

[Pale Horse]

"Eleanor Parker gives one of the most underrated performances as Baroness Elsa Schraeder, the villainess from Vienna. Is she evil? Well, not really. She’s just a woman who wants to continue living an extravagant lifestyle without any children to get in the way. Parker is perfectly cast in this role, giving the audience just enough *****ery to make them root for Maria."

My only contention between the comparison is that Elsa, as opposed to Elsa, acquiesced to loss.

And while there may be many similarities, Elsa never flashed fire like this at Georg Von Trapp
http://www.gonemovies.com/www/MyWebFilms/Oorlog/CrusadeElsaBoot.jpg
proving to me that Elsa was more cuckold than anything else-ah.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2meApndCRZE/TGn-7bLcV1I/AAAAAAAABHE/m9V-jypL4Fk/s1600/0a.jpeg

[Attila the Professor]

You haven't seen The Sound of Music?!!

Great parallel...next time I watch with the kids I'll keep an eye out...:up:

I <I>hadn't</>. I certainly remembered this thread when I did, though. Can't say it had much of a case made for it, but the name certainly might be derived from there.

[Montana Smith]

I <I>hadn't</>. I certainly remembered this thread when I did, though. Can't say it had much of a case made for it, but the name certainly might be derived from there.

When I read 'Elsa' I think 'Ilsa', that other pulp femme fatale. I don't think of The Sound of Music at all. I've never seen it.

[Rocket Surgeon]

My only contention between the comparison is that Elsa, as opposed to Elsa, acquiesced to loss.

And while there may be many similarities, Elsa never flashed fire like this at Georg Von Trapp
She was a bit more sly with Max...but she might of flashed a bit playing ball with the children.

Other contrasts may be inherited wealth, education...but the name and the game, mmm mmmm.

When I read 'Elsa' I think 'Ilsa', that other pulp femme fatale. I don't think of The Sound of Music at all. I've never seen it.
Good Lord Tana!

Here, this might sway you:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2meApndCRZE/S6AoKf6qk3I/AAAAAAAAAyw/BbV7GmHlZaA/s320/the-sound-of-music-40th-anniversary-edition-20051122045455523_640w.jpg

Not the best example, but dastardly Nazi's abound...

[Montana Smith]

Good Lord Tana!

Here, this might sway you:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2meApndCRZE/S6AoKf6qk3I/AAAAAAAAAyw/BbV7GmHlZaA/s320/the-sound-of-music-40th-anniversary-edition-20051122045455523_640w.jpg

Not the best example, but dastardly Nazi's abound...

I don't like films where characters suddenly burst into song.

On the other hand, musicals set in theatres are usually okay.

http://www.dvdjournal.com/reviewimgs/p/producers68_de_imgs/producers68_de_02.jpg

[Rocket Surgeon]

I don't like films where characters suddenly burst into song. On the other hand, musicals set in theatres are usually okay.
They are really, very good songs though. One of the few musicals I actually like, as the songs are exceedingly well crafted. Throw the Anschluss into the mix, a few Swastikas...

I was half hoping for a "Military Insignia in The Sound of Music" thread...

Scheiße!