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Realy I think that would be great if Indy had a son.And this son would be in his teen's obviously because the new movie will take place in the late 1950's and his fling with Marion would have had to have been in raider's of the lost ark since she did'nt tell him about any kid which she would have had there been one born in the 1930's. And the
raiders of the lost ark took place in the 1940's since the Nazi's were involed in Egypt and they invaeded sometime around 1943.Beside's Indy having a father was a hit, so why is everyone downn on Indy having a son? This is rediculus, I think thatany child Indy would have would have been with Marion, Willie doesnt seem the type for anything except romance, beside's she's not as independent personality as Marion, if she had a kid with Indy she would be all over him for money and help raising there son,
where's Marion seem's the type who wouldent mention it unless Indy came calling and probably not even then,Marion would just take the boy and raise him by herself, might even resent Indy for only romancing her because he needed her help and then getting her pregnant and she would probably feed that sort of resentment to there son. But that's just speculation. But I still think it would be great if Indy had a son.
indydude
06-07-2003, 07:15 PM
sorry, I think Indy should not have a son, it would just not be right.
wolfgang
06-07-2003, 07:54 PM
well, it worked with his dad, but a son is not the best idea, though i don't really care, i know itll be good anyway. what i wouldn't stand is that the baby is with marion or willie. they should have a new girl. and if he does has a son it should be from a long lost girlfriend.
Ed:
Yes, it should be deleted.:)
[Edited by Aaron H on 06-07-2003 at 09:20 pm]
Attila the Professor
06-08-2003, 09:31 AM
I still think it seems incredibly contrived.
The old son/daughter thing, i would say that both ToD and LC were about the taming of Indy within father/son relationships. In both ToD and LC Indy has had comedy sidekicks i think that Indy IV should have some emotional subplot and humour which made LC so succsessful but this film has a lot of baggage to sort out as it is
Hey, there's alot of opinion's on this subject I hope more people post on this thread. Really though I think a son would make a great sub plot though, and I don't mean a Luke Skywalker plot, in the temple of doom his his side kick from China went over well,and Indy's dad went over well, I'm sure that if they write in a son/sidekick that they will do a good job.
wolfgang
06-08-2003, 12:32 PM
Well, if indy's son is a teenager he won't be as protective as he was with shorty. but bob's right, we've seen indy with a son (shorty) and his dad. It just didn't came to me to compare his realation with shorty with a relation with a son. But now i want him less to have a son if its going to be a short round relation again. Come on, guys, we need new stuff!
If Indy has a son with Marion, he will have to be a teenager or adult, because Indy's last fling with Marion was about 1943,and it wouldent make sense for Marion not to inform Indy then that he had a son and either bring him along or send him to the U.S.A. it would make sense for Marion to have gotten pregnant after the adventure ended,
And it would make sense for her to be mad that Indy had left her again so she probably wouldent go out of her way to inform him ( in fact it would make sense for her not to
do anything to inform him at all.) There's another sied to this though, everyone seem's to think Marion show's up with Indy's son ( which is'nt that bad a sub plot ) but why couldent some one who know's Indy inform him about what's going on and Indy go looking for him. In fact there
is no need for Indy's son to know that Indy's his father till the end of the movie really. Or for Marion to know that her son went on adventure with his dad. For all we know Marion could have gone back to the old ploy "your dad died durring the war." As for shorty I liked him, but I don't think Indy would be as protective of his son like he was of shorty,and this would be ther first time he would have a teenager along for the ride.I don't know what the rest of you are dreading so much. Would some one please enlighten!!!
In this post i want to ellaborate on the last post. Like I said, what if Indy find's out he has a son by Marion and goes looking for him. And what if Marion tell's there son either "he died durring the war" or she leave's out a name and tell's him his dad's a real jerk. And what if it's Marion getting married? Supose she is and the guy is a real jerk, and Indy's son is looking for anyway he can to leave home, and then Indy turn's up and nearly wreck's everything, Marion might "force" Indy to keep his identy a secret at least for a certain time span, and is going to get rid of Indy as fast as possible but there son accidently runs into them. Then after Indy leaves Marion plan's to go on with the wedding but perhap's her son see's
Indy's archeolgy trip as an escape route and the chance he's been waiting for. He might show up on Indy's door step and try to convince Indy to take him with him, even as going as far as to sneak aboard the plane or truck or what ever and continualy tagging along until Indy give's in. And by the time that Marion notices her son is gone it is to late. The new movie is supossed to show some of the flaws in Indy,well I think Indy's son talking about his father being a jerk and leaving his mom to raise him would be a good way to exspose a flaw. And it wouldent picture Marion as a main character realy. I think this would be a great sub plot instead of Marion going after Indy. Of course this is all out of my imagination and something I am just throwing out there, btu I think it would work.Post your comments and let me know what your thinking.
wolfgang
06-09-2003, 10:40 AM
Well, all marion is going to have is a soundbite, but how about this: in the begining of the film we see a young teenager boy on an uncomplited mission. Then after a little action he gets caught by a few men a tells him "Its time to tell you the truth..." leaves you in suspense. Cut to Indiana Jones on an unclompleted task. He finishes it. Shows up in his University. THen he is called by the same people who caught the teenager. They explain that the teenager is his son and all that stuff. Then Indy remembers Marion's voice saying "Wouldn't you like to have a son with me?" Or something that Indy realaised it foreshadowed she was pregnate.Then they have a fight because he left Marion in the middle of the adventure as it goes, blah, blah, blah. Then they are stuck on a very bad cliffhanger, and they need to get out with a traditional plan. Indy's son says "Mom said you were very good at this kind of stuff, i hope she was right." Indy replies, "So do I." With a puzzled look at his son. THen he meats his granfather at the end.
Harrison said he will have no son, but this is just a lame idea of what might've happened if he had a son with marion.
Sound's good, but I still think that Indy should go looking for his son,and with out the intention of taking him any were, and that his son A. doesent know that Indy is his dad and B. try's to go with Indy on this adventure and Indy keep's trying to shake him off and at last halfway through or so gives up and let's him come along. I also think Marion. I think his son getting kidnapped would also be great,but I think Indy's son should meet Indy un aware of his idenity and and should not find out that Indy is his dad till alot later in the movie. I know Ford said there would be no son,but in an interview George Lucas told the press that Indy will have a son of course that was before Ford came out and said no son. I hope that they do change there mind though because it would be great for Indy to have a teenager for side kick.I realy think it would be good if Indy's son was his sidekick.
wolfgang
06-09-2003, 07:01 PM
As long as you keep in mind that it'll be good son or no son...did I say good? I meant GREAT!!!
I agree, Indy's son has to be on the same side as his dad as far as the mission goes,but for the longest time he should think his dad's a real jerk and tell Indy so un-aware that Indy is his dad.
wolfgang
06-09-2003, 10:09 PM
Sorry, you missunderstood, I meant that : you should keep in mind that the MOVIE will be good, son or no son. And now that you mention that, YES they must be on the same side, or else, itll be just another star wars movie. ;)
Sorry I didn't get your meaning! I am sure that it will be be great without a son, but I think it would be a lot better with a son. And back to the son ploy I think that since in the last movie Indy and his dad had to come to terms with each other, perhaps Indy is feeling what it's like now that the roles are reversed. In fact his son could be like I said talking about his un-known dad as a jerk, and who know's what its like to a point trying to sympithize and to another point trying to defend the kid's dad. And by the way what do you think of the plot that instead of Marion returning as leading lady getting involved in another relationship throughout the movie with Indy, in fact she's making plans to get married to some jerk who treat's her son like he's completly worthless? To a point the evil step father ploy.
raider84
06-11-2003, 10:23 AM
Funny thing is that I was thinking that about a week ago. Indy should have a son in Indy 4.
Hay Great minds think alike.:p
Funy, everyone else thinks it's a bad idea, but it makes perfect sense. Several years ago I was thinking about it( and i did't know any thing about Indiana Jones except the movies ) and I thought about trying to come up with differant plot's for my own amusement and I couldent picture it with out him having a son or daughter with Marion. I think that a son would work in there better then a daughter because all the leading ladies in Indy Movies are usaly lovers with Indy. It might be interesting if Indy had twins a boy and a girl, but then on a second thought it would turn into a Luke Skywalke/Princess Leia plot wich would not work with Indy. All around It think Indy should have a son in the new movie period,and I think that the son should be a tenager. Like you said though great minds think alike.
I hope Indy has a son in the new movie,if wolfgang reads this hope he post's on my thread again.
wolfgang
06-11-2003, 08:23 PM
Well, Fan, a daughter is a pretty good idea and have her a the lead girl, but i wanna stick to teh son idea since it'll be funner.Lets see, twins, good idea! maybe a bad one and a good one? you are right though about that luke and leia stuff. I like that you agree ondy should have a new girl even if marion is the mother, i mean, if thats what you're sayin?
Actualy I was'nt even thinking about having a new girl, but of course your right in the spirit of Indiana Jones he should, but Marion should be the mother, this would make her a important but not main character which according to George Lucas and Steven Speilberg she and Willie will be. As for a new girl I have abaoutly no ideas about her,but I am still for the son idea. I never thought about evil twins, but hey it could work except for one thing. The movie is supposidly in China, and in the 1950's very,very,very few americans were let in China, a evil twin would have had to go into China back before the communist party took over. But like I said, I am still for the son only idea. What do you think? Write back soon.
P.S. Wolfgang, do you get on other Forums and Chat Rooms? If so mabye you could see what other people think about Indy having a son or better yet,recomend that they come to this thread to descuss it, even other Raven Board memeber's. See ya latter.
[Edited by FAN on 06-12-2003 at 12:57 pm]
wolfgang
06-12-2003, 01:07 PM
No, man, I use to do that, but i got virus on my last computer and my fam blamed me. i guess this is the only forum i could trust...but hey! I can still read them, and why won't you invite em? ;) just send me the site to it!
Hey wolfgang,
I know about virus's since we got one back in April and it really screwed up are computer.Actualy your pretty smart not to do the samr thing to get virus's again. I would but my Mom won't let me get into chat room's,not even cristian chat rooms with controlled problems,seem's tothink it's un-safe. As for other message boards the one's I have been on are usaly one topic boards and off topic subjects are deleted in some cases. Oh well, we can still talk about it.
I hope other people who have posted on my thread before will post again. Oh and is it true that the new Indy film will be shot in China?See ya later
wolfgang
06-12-2003, 04:02 PM
Well, if you go to http://www.theraider.net you'll know everything you need to know about indy 4. Is where I go :D. I really suggest you go, its how I found the raven. Well, the China thing is just a rumor. Jhon Rhys Davies mentioned it and people say he might've accidentally say something he shouldn't when he said he'll probably won't be coming back on the fourth film.
Wolfgang, I go to the raidernet to, coincidently I to found the Raven through raidernet. China would be an interesting place for filming Indy IV. By the way I thought I read some were that they hoped to make an Indy V also; do you know if that's true? And another thing, does anyone realy know what Indy's after this time, some people say this and that, one guy on here said that Indy would find the Sword of Arther,descover the Garden of Eden,get kidnapped by UFO's,and find Atlantis, which in my opinion is bogus.What do you think they will be after this time?
wolfgang
06-12-2003, 09:52 PM
"I keep telling you, you go to the raider.net more, you'll know more"....ok,no. Anyways, you know it took them over 10 years to come up with a fourth one, don't worry about a fifth one until the fourth one comes out...or don't worry about it at all is my advice. No one knows what is he after this time, but i want to know that when I can, i don't really want to guess, though the sword of athur might be good. And the guy who said that, he was joking, those are all the artifacts he goes looking for on fake scripts. And yes, I wouldn't mind China for the fourth one.
I do go to raidernet, that's were I heard alot of this stuff, I was just wondering if you had heard anything differant somewere else. If they do film in China they could be after any number of things, but in the 1950's it would be more dangerous then it would have been in the 1940's because of Mao Tseung or Mao Zedong.Were do you think Marion will be living when Idy meet's her(and his meet's a son possibly)? I doupht they will be living in China, mabye they will be living in Europe or the middle east somewere.I wonder if Indy's son will show his dad's interest in archeology? This might seem no question about but for something differant they may have it to were Indy's son doesent share Indy's interest in archeology in the begging of the film, what do you think? Write back soon.
wolfgang
06-13-2003, 10:50 AM
I like the idea of living in Europe
wolfgang
06-13-2003, 10:55 AM
I like the idea of them living in europe...maybe in another bar. then he finds her, she tells her about her kidnapped son in china (I like that it will more more dengerous in the 50's) there he meets him in a bar where no other than Willie is and he is hidding from her or something. And yes, he must have archeology interest, Henry had, Henry Indy Jr. had, Henry Indy Sophmore must have too
The Indiana Jones series should not turn into some sort of soap opera or family epic concerning the Indy dynasty.
The cast of supporting characters in Indy that can realisticly be brought back are Sallah and Dad having the whole supporting cast involved is a little silly to say the least; who really wants willy back outisde of Indy circles?; who even wants Marion back outside of the fans?
And why do we want them back, so we can cheer for the first two times we see it?
As for the son/daughter the Indy series if the bringing on of sidekicks etc continues will discredit the Indy series as a proper action series and instead it will be a family film. Having a son would just be a repeat of LC at best except slightly inverted and cynics among us may believe that a son/daughter is just a rather cynical way to keep the cash cow going by moving it onto younger blood.
The Indiana Jones films are about the adventures of Indiana Jones not the Joneses
I like the idea of Marion having a bar in Europe,and Indy accidently meeting Willie there,might even be interesting if Marion and Willie meet and compare note's, poor Indy. I was thinking that Indy could find out he had a son by something like:
Friend:Oh, by the way I saw Marion last
week,on my trip in Europe.
Indy: yeah? How she doing?
Friend:Great she has a bar goin again,
Indy you never told me you were
a dad!
Indy ( look of shock,and astonishment Indy
style ) : What are you talking about?
Friend: I met your son last week.
Indy: Realy,(as though he hopes his friend is
kidding how's he doing? ( sort of a dry
exspresion)
ect. . .
I realy think it would be a much better sub plot for Indy to go looking for Marion to confront her then the other way around. And perhaps Marion will make him promise not to tell there son that he's his dad until some time a lot later. And Indy intend's to leave town after briefly meeting his son who is un-aware of Indy's idenity. He then try's to get Indy take him on this archeology dig with out his mom knowing, even being a stoway aboard the boat Indy takes to China,if that's were he's headed,and by that time it's to late to turn back.What do you think wolfgang?
You know, I think Indy would work very well in this case,
his dad's an exsperianced archeologist with quite a history in the feild, but he's slowing down. On the other hand his son is very young an energetic, but he's not as exsperiance enough,and a great deal is knew to him,being raised in Europe he's realy not a young Indy seing that he doesent have Arizon burial grounds,archeological digs,ext... around him, so both need help. Where's Indy would be the perfect cross, he still young enough to be energetic and adventurous, while at the same time he has exsperiance and history in the feild,were his son's exsperiance is probably limited to helping run a bar and throwing otu people who get overly drunk. What do ya all think?
wolfgang
06-13-2003, 05:24 PM
well, I like the idea of being an energetic son, and the idea of being raised in europe, and the little cript you made. THey are all pretty good ideas. i pretty much alread gave my opinion on what I'll like to happen if indy had a son with marion, and i don't really care much of what changes and what stays the same in the fourth film because i know i'll like it anyway. I really don't like the idea of him running a bar unless it is marion who's living in it with him, cause it'll be another raiders, though you make it sound good, FAN. But I really agree with bob. they shouldn't bring any character back except for sallah and henry, or make up new characters. But HEY! you gave your idea I give my opinion, we're getting along fine FAN.
Hey Wolfgang, I agree we are doing great,your opinon is great to, you say it in away that is clear and direct, and it's not offending to me. And like I said I would like to see Indy having a son in the new movie, about the bar thing, mabye I can come up with somethng better.Mmmmmm,Let me see.I got it! Marion has this boyfriend who is real jerk, he mistreats and her son are always at each other, now lets see, Okay, Marion run's a public establishment ( not realy shure what it should be ) Indy's son work's there,it's a place were all these sleeze's including Marion's boyfriend. Now when Indy comes through the door the boyfriend and Indy's son are fighting,and the boyfriend back hands him,in response Indy's son over turns the table that the boyfriend is sitting at on top of him, and then the boyfriend shoves the table off and draw's a knife, and Indy steps in and perhaps they have a fight ( not much of a fight considering Indy probably would knock him out in one punch. Then the rest you practicaly know, Marion makes Indy promise to keep his ideninty secret for the moment, and Indy's son unaware of Indy's idenity run's away a stowes himself aboard Indy's ship or whatever, trying to one do the thing he want's to do but until now not been able to,and two get away from home. What do you think? Write back soon.
wolfgang
06-14-2003, 10:30 AM
YES! I like the idea of Marion's jerky boyfriend. It would give sort of a very intense drama on the film, and I think it'll work. hmm, let me think for a second. Ok, what do you think about this? After the fight of Indy and Marion's boyfriend, Indy is about to hit him again. He realizes he already paid for what he did looking at his screwed face. And then the promise to marion, and the son escapes just how you said. THen later on the adventure they are caught. ANd they're going to be torture by no other than Marion's boyfriend who was in fact some one from their enemy, So he tortures them, and then Indy, as always, gets out of trouble in an unexpected way. The adventure continues, and right before the end starts, Indy has a harsh fight with Marion's boyfriend, and the audience will know he is taking his vengeance on that scene. HEY! this just gave me an idea! Why not Pat Roach to play Marion's jerky boyfriend?
GREAT IDEA WOLFGANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It work's perfectly that Marion's boyfriend is with the enemy. There is one question though, Is the jerk boyfriend already a communist and decides to use his position to get even or is called because of his exsperiance to stop Indy, or does he later join the communist's because he want's to get even? But he definatly is a ( if not thee ) leading bad guy. Write back soon Wolfgang.
wolfgang
06-14-2003, 03:21 PM
Well, from my point of view, he was already the enemy. Then he finds out that Indy is his enemy (the guy who beat me up!) so he taked advantage of it to get even.(Casuality) and he should be a leading bad guy, not the. But hey! what do you think of Pat Roach being the boyfriend? it'll be sort of funny, I know its not the same character, but since it'll be the same actor Mrion will be like "Hey when I rode with indy last you were a rival, then you became my boyfriend and now an enemy again."
That would work best him already being an enemy and then using his position to get even with Indy and company.Oh by the way I know this probably sound's crazy but I don't know who Pat Roach is. I may have seen him in a movie though and just didn't know that it was him. Tell me what movies did he play in,what's he look like, and what sort of character does he usualy play? Write me back soon.
wolfgang
06-14-2003, 05:41 PM
Pat Roach is the big guy indy fights in each movie: The mechanic from raiders on the plain, the thugee guard on temple of doom, and from the deleted scene of last crusade, the giant gestapo, and its likely he'll back on indy 4. Just check out the "people involved" section of indy 4 on theraider, you'll see him
Skeletor
06-14-2003, 07:21 PM
I don't want Indy to have a son or child in the movie. It would change the movie from the Adventures of Indiana Jones to a Son of Indy movie.
I want to see Indy off on some last great adventure. Not a movie about him coming to terms with some long lost son he never knew or reconciling with one he hasn't spoken to in years.
No thanks.
wolfgang
06-14-2003, 07:55 PM
We already decided to post our ideas IF it happens, not to post wether you want it or not. If that was the case, well, then I would be 50/50.
i certainly think the ideas are interesting but my prejadices aside for a man who has gone after the Ark and the Grail and lived coping with Marion's 'Jerky Boyfriend' would either turn the Indiana Jones films into a very soapy territory or create a comic relief plotline in a series of movies that dont need it really or just break up the usually tightly paced rollercoasters that are the Indy films.
It could work in a novel though i think it is definately a good thing to explore the characters but there is a point where you can scrape the bottom of the barrel where some characters are concerned for example i saw enough of Henry in LC i do not want to see him back unless it has some bering on the plot; his themeatic journey is complete. As for Marion her plot is pretty much complete its not like she was some great subtle creation but i will tolerate her if she has something to add to the plot rather than just a rehash of what has gone before.
Hey everybody, as Wolfgang said we have already moved past that part of the descussion, we are descussing the possibilty's of what could happen if George Lucas and Steven Speilberg were correct in there statement that Indy had a son. If you wanted to post those thought's you should have done it earlier, when all of you posted saying you din't wan't Indy to have a son,I specifically posted asking everyone why you all thought it was such a terribly bad idea, none of you choose to reply, only Wolfgang kept responding to my post's for the most part in the last couple of pages so when he say's that we have moved past that point of the descussion I agree with him,perhaps at a later date after exsploring the advantages and possibilty's of Indy having a son mabye we will re-open the should he or should he not have a son. So if you post on my thread again please particapate in what you think or your opinion is on what could happen with Indy having a son.Thank-you
To Wolfgang, know who your talking about now,I don't think he would make the boyfriend type I was thinking of. I was thinking Marion's jerky boyfriend would be more of a self-centered,rich guy/brat, who think's his good look's can atract any one and he can do anything he please's,you know the type.Perhaps Pat Roach could play his right hand man who was'nt with him durring the fight with Indy, but could come in later at the torture chamber in wich part (fallowing Indy tradition ) they have a fight. Indy's son could be taken out of the room for either a seperate interogation or the jerky boyfriend could simply give Pat order's to kill Insy and he's taking Indy's son with him.Pat and Indy would have a fight in wich Indy of course would win, then we have three possibilty's either Indy break's in to the next room and rescue's son, Indy's son escapes, or Indy rejoins the rest of his company and come down on the jerky boyfriend's camp and rescue his son. What do you think?Oh and by the way anyone who say's this is soap opera or boarding on soap opera territory have never seen a soap opera. This sort of a story line is drama,pure and sure drama. What do you think Wolfgang?
RaceKanyon
06-16-2003, 06:46 AM
I agree completely that Indiana Jones should have a son and not a daughter, due to the fact that some1 needs to take over in the legacy that Indiana Jones has set. Im a 16 year old hardcore Indiana Jones fan. I kno it sounds kind of funny but im open to any comments or critisism. So i just wanted to say i think that you are absolutely correct about him having a kid.
Dear Race Kanyon,
I am glad you are of this opnion. However I am against Indy's son taking over the family legacy. He should be a part of it,but not take over it. These are Indiana Jones films not the Son of Indiana Jones films.However his son should be a mane character throughout the movie.
Wolfgang, what are you thinking?If you read this write soon about Indy 4/son plot,and anything else that need's incorperated into this plot, perhaps we should move on soon to character and personality of Indy's son.
wolfgang
06-22-2003, 03:14 PM
JOE JOE JOE! guys, I had a one week brake in a cruise, nad MAN is great to be back, it feels like its been a year. I had a great adventure over there. Anyway, FAN, I like the idea you posted. Pat Roach can be like a dummb guy who laways follows marion's boyfriend. Then wen he tortures indy, he is grabbing him for marion's boyfriend nad then Indy will have to fight not one, but two jerks at the same time.
Hey Wolfgang, hope you had a great time on the cruise.
Aaron H. just pointed out to me I had the time frame wrong since Raider's happened in 1936 according to the film, so I am thinking why did George Lucas say that Indy IV would be set in the late 1950's? The early 50's would work as well, more so since they had all that secret trial and Red Scare stuff going on heavily around then, more then probably any other time in the 50's. Back to the son plot, glad you liked the idea that the big guy is the bad guy's goon, let me see if I could come up with something else, Hmmm, the boyfriend is going to torture the son but Indy burst's into the room ( after clobbering the big guy )and punch's the nearest guy distracting the bad guy's. The distraction work's great because the boyfriend get's his nose brocken by a back fist to the his face and then thrown ( Judo fasion ) by Indy's son. Indy's son then go's over and start's helping Indy fight them ( seeing that he's use to brawle's working in a bar for along time )and they get out, but they are seperated from the rest of the group since they were specifically targeted by the enemy for interegation.What do you think, Wolfgang?
wolfgang
06-23-2003, 06:35 PM
I think its pretty good, hehe. How abouyt this? Indy comes in the room, his son is tied up with tape on a chair like indy in last crusade, indy whips the boyfriends's arm and instantly whips the boyfriends's goom's neck. They lie on the floor resurecting while indy is cutting the son free. The son has tape on his mouth so when he sees the big guy on the back he stares and goes like "HMMM!!" but to late, he is already fighting indy. The son takes teh tape off and start fighting his...well his unofficial father. Indy ends up killing him for his son. By the way, what's up with the time frame, what did you think? what did you had wrong? anyway, I'll like to know a name for the son...how about Abner Jones? or Sean Jones? write back
Well Wolfgang that's realy good,
but,uh what do you mean he is fighting his unoficial father? Do you mean Indy's son is fighting Indy? That wouldent make much sense since he just tried to worn Indy that the big guy was before him. As for the time frame I thought that it took place in the 1940's around 1942 and afterwards, but that's okay, by the way some of the people at my other thread DEBATE are saying they should bring back Shorty,I concure except on one point, they wan't Shorty to take over the role position. I think that Shorty should join the exception in Indy IV, mabye even become good friend's with Indy's son. Let's see a name, hmmmmmm, can't be Jones because the sone doesent know Indy's his dad, how about Michael Ravenwood, since his mom's last name is Ravenwood and he's illigtimate,that would work. What do you think? Write back soon.
wolfgang
06-23-2003, 09:04 PM
Okay, i like Michael, its cool, he WILL end up knowing his Jones right? anyway, I meant he fought Marion's boyfriend, so his suposed to be sort of his father. Chaging subject, now wonder you said indy's last fling with Marion was in the 40's...o well, i thought you read that in a comic or something. I haven't checked you Debate threadyet, but I'll check it out tomorrow, I promise to right my opinion on your new crazy idea ;).
thegreatimposter
06-24-2003, 01:01 AM
what about Abner, named after Marion's Dad?
wolfgang
06-24-2003, 03:18 PM
Thats what I suggested, Abner Jones, loook up
Hey guy's,
Abner could work, but wasn't Abner in the last one? I like Michael better. And yes the son should find out that Indy's his dad, I have several ideas about he find's out but I'll spring them latter. My DEBATE thread is on the should Indy or should he not have a son. Yes he should fight Marion's boyfriend, but her boyfriend realy isn't like his dad, he's just a jerk that Indy's son barely tolerates. I did think about Abner, but I thought that if they brought him back or if they had flash back's it would get confusing. Write back on what you think, mabye the son should keep his name Ravenwood in case they make other Indy V and Indy VI like I heard, which ever movie is the last he could change his name later as a way of accepting fully that Indy is his dad. Well, what do you think?
Hey Wolfgang,what do you think about my last post on Indy IV? Write soon, FAN
wolfgang
06-30-2003, 03:37 PM
Nah, there are excellent odds indy V might not happen, so he should change his name to "Jones" at least at the end of the film. Ok, I agree that if he gets the name Abner it'll be confusing, so Michael is an alternative. And I really wouldn't want to see a flash back unless is...an adventre or something. Althoguh he might be on an adventure with Abner on the flash back, but then....I dunno, I'll just like not to see Abner, though if he shows up i know it'll be cool however George and Steven plans it.
Hey Wolfgang,
I know it's a no go with Indy having a son,
but would you like to continue posting the possibilty's
and advantages on this thread? We were doing great on'this line of conversation, I think it would be fun, what do you
think? Write back soon, FAN
wolfgang
07-22-2003, 06:07 PM
Yeah! I love reading raverner's ideas, you just give em to me/us and i write my opinion
Well let me see if I can get my juice flowing again. Hmmm,
Well let me ease myself back into the subject, mabye Ill come up with something real juicy tommorow, but for right now let me see, hmm. Ive got it, I think that the reason Ford is against Indy having a son is because he thinks it will A. Make him look old and un-able to do his job as Indy, which alot of fans are already thinking, and B. I think he's jealous of that sort of character and is afraid that mabye people will love the character of Indy's son more then Indy himself, I mean when return of the Jedi came out everyone went gaga over the ewok's, the last thing anyone exspected. Everyone tried to get a ewok action figure, and ewok pictures, ect... mabye he's afraid that this will happen again. What do you think? ahhhhhhh, now my I am getting back on the roll again, mabye I will really come up with something great. What do you think about what I have just posted? FAN
Patrick
07-23-2003, 04:42 AM
Okay, I hope I don't annoy anybody by coming in late to the conversation or make fun of them with out knowing it. I'm serious. I think that Indy having a son would be a great idea. BUT, the thing they have to remember is that it has to have an absolutely new storyline. Not new characters I'd like to see Karen Allen come back as Marion. She was probably the best through my point of view...Then Elsa... Then Willie just because she was given a comedic role. They can't do something like they did in LC. But another ToD would be okay... I like the idea of Indy going to china to get his son, but they can't really do that without being repetitive.
Hey guys, not to burst your bubble,
BUT, the descussion has already passed who the mother should be,Marion's still the best choice in my opinion,
we have bassed alot of this on the principle the Indy did'nt know he had a son, and I figure Marion would make a great deal more sense in this role, because Willie seems the type to me that if she got pregnant she would be chasing Indy around for help and child support, where's Marion is the type who would be mad Indy dumped her again so she would convenantly forget to inform Indy that they had a son. I don't know if you guy's read through all the pages on this thread, but if you didn't you should. You'll find it very interesting, and it may bring you up yo spead.
Your welcome to descuss it with me and Wolfgang,
FAN
wolfgang
07-23-2003, 11:25 AM
Well, i don't think thats the reason why harrison Ford didn't liked the idea, i mean, it ir were, then why didn't he worried about Henry in last crusade? How about this, I mena, even if we know he own't be having it, well, at first he shows up with henry as its been said, then he goes to the mission with his son, then he brings whatever he wanted to henry and there 9indy already knowing its his son) he ontroduces him to the granfather!kinda lame, but I'll get better as we go again
Like you said kinda lame, so was mine.
I think that alot of people exspect Indy's son to take over and show Indy up, but I imagined him differant. Sort like he know's how to get the better part of an arguement and say stuff to shut Indy or others up, and to a point can take care of himself, but really if it werent for the fact that Indy were around he would be in a lot more trouble then he ussualy is. He obviosly need's Indy's help, and to Indy sort of takes him under his wing. I think that when Indy's son find's out a good way through the film that Indy's hia dad, he may get mad and strike out on his own at first, but then is forced for whatever reason to join up with Indy. People say this sort of a story line his extra baggage that need's to be detached, but after all any archeologist in the movies has a suitcase, a back back, a fanny pack, ect . . . I think it would work fine. Okay I am starting to get back on the ball again. Write back soon, FAN
You still with me Wolfgang? If so write me back or are you on another trip? Anyway write soon, FAN
Hey Wolfgang,
you havent written for a while so I'll just keep writing in hope that you'll write back. Like I said Indy's son shouldnt know Indy's his dad for most of the movie. Do you think he will be mad that Indy's his dad? And will Indy's son resent the new Indy girl when he finds out Indy's his dad? What do you think? FAN and JC
wolfgang
08-10-2003, 01:46 PM
Well, i have an idea, I don't think he'll be mad....he'll just be shocked...though I think he should know really, but if he didn't know in that case, when he finds out, he'll go like "Oh, so thats why Im like this!" or something...then he falls for indy's girl...HEY! how about this? WHile he doesn't know, him and indy are fighting for the girl!!It'll be ironic because indy'll be like "you can't your my son" but the son doesn't know that so he'll be like "Hey, step away old man!"
I never thought about that. Hmm, but wouldnt Indy's girl be in he thirties or so while Indys son be in his mid teens? I think that Indy's son may have a little resentment towards Indy because of the way his mother probably would have talked about him. by the way I put a profile of Indy's son from my point of view at your thread about favorite character's. FAN and JC
wolfgang
08-10-2003, 03:54 PM
I know, I loved it...well, what can I say, i myself am a tenn and I fell for my spanish teacher :cool: Just kidding
Hmmm, perhaps he dosent really have a crush on her, he just wants to bug this older archeologist who keeps getting over protective of him at and acting like Mr.Cool.
But I don't think he seroiusly is in love or romantic with her. I think that if Indy has a son they should make Indy IV, V, and VI so we could get to know him better. And in the IV and V Indy's son could not have any inclination to date or romance ( other then perhaps occasionaly bugging his dad ) and in the last one the tables are turned and Indy's son find's the girl of his dreams and but dad who is a great romancer, archeologist, ect . . . keep's comming in and ruinning the moment, ( not to get to Star Wars like but similar to C-3PO in the Empire Strikes Back who kept walking in at the moment it should really start sparking ). But I don't think Indy's son should take over his dad's romance trademark. I think the big three and others are worried Indy's son will take over the Indy legacy, but that's not how I ever thought of it. I think that if they threw are thoughts into it and didn't stray they would have a great story. I think Harrison Ford would make a great on screen dad ( on screen that is, I like my dad just as he is in real life ). Talk later, this is a great topic to exsplore the love life of Indy's son. Give me your thoughts, FAN and JC
Attila the Professor
08-10-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by wolfgang
Well, i have an idea, I don't think he'll be mad....he'll just be shocked...though I think he should know really, but if he didn't know in that case, when he finds out, he'll go like "Oh, so thats why Im like this!" or something...then he falls for indy's girl...HEY! how about this? WHile he doesn't know, him and indy are fighting for the girl!!It'll be ironic because indy'll be like "you can't your my son" but the son doesn't know that so he'll be like "Hey, step away old man!"
That sounds quite a bit like the whole "human as the next man"/"I was the next man" deal from LC.
To a point your right Attila the Proffessor, however Indy need's a little mortality around him, a son would do this, and Indy's son needs a lot of mortality about him. FAN and JC
Adventurer
08-12-2003, 12:26 PM
Iīm sorry FAN, but i couldnīt find the specific "DEBATE" thead you mentioned. So i will continue with this single post here as it is at least on topic.
Ok, to beat a dead horse:
Iīll quote bob here:
posted by bob on 06-13-2003: The Indiana Jones series should not turn into some sort of soap opera or family epic concerning the Indy dynasty.
The cast of supporting characters in Indy that can realisticly be brought back are Sallah and Dad having the whole supporting cast involved is a little silly to say the least; who really wants willy back outisde of Indy circles?; who even wants Marion back outside of the fans?
And why do we want them back, so we can cheer for the first two times we see it?
As for the son/daughter the Indy series if the bringing on of sidekicks etc continues will discredit the Indy series as a proper action series and instead it will be a family film. Having a son would just be a repeat of LC at best except slightly inverted and cynics among us may believe that a son/daughter is just a rather cynical way to keep the cash cow going by moving it onto younger blood.
The Indiana Jones films are about the adventures of Indiana Jones not the Joneses
That does completely cover it.
Iīll try to add something nontheless.
Imagine this: In the beginning of the film, you see, for example, IJ fighting with the boyfriend of, for example, Marion. This storyline then will be scattered through the movie. Presumably, this wonīt be the main storyline, but this sub-story will appear here and there. Maybe he will have an argument about the lost son with Marion. Here a bit and there a bit and in the end, he will finally knock his rival out or something like that.
Now imagine this:
He saved the world at least twice, found the Ark, the Grail, and was nearly incinerated, drowned, shot at, and chopped into fish bait half a dozen times. He thinks about things like how he will get away alive of that chain before he will be squished by that tank.
Can you imagine this person highly involved in a nitpicking conversation where one person yells at the other: "No. No. Itīs all your fault! Why did you have not [listened to me/ send me NM/insert your argument of choice] back then?" Answer: "Nooo. You are wrong. ITīS YOURS!" or things like that?
Doesnīt sound very epic, does it? What i want to add/say is, a IJ film with a content like that will miss scale on a grand scale (no pun intended).
[Edited by Adventurer on 08-12-2003 at 01:28 pm]
Indyologist
08-12-2003, 01:29 PM
Yes, IMHO I can imagine Indy "nickpicking" about these things because no matter how "epic" his character he is still a human being that gets annoyed, angry and upset. I mean, you have to show that Indy does have a "real life" in the "real world." The stay-at-home-and-teach Indy is just as vital as the globe-trotting-adventurous Indy, although most of the movies are action. It's just fun to see the other side of the Indy coin. We want him to be "epic" but we also want him to be human. Otherwise, he'd just be Lara Croft-- an exciting but flat, one dimentional-character. Well, maybe she's not flat-- in the chest, anyway. ;)
Also, I'm WAY for Marion in Indy IV. You guys know that. I personally don't think that Willie was nor will ever be a serious romantic influence on Indy. She did have moxy, by God, but she was way too flighty for Indy, I feel.
Adventurer
08-12-2003, 02:41 PM
Interesting point of view. If i get you right, youīre talking about a too perfect person. James Bond? ;) Youīre right. The character would become flat.
If thatīs the case, this discussion would ultimately come down to subjective preference(if this isnīt the case already) as to when the very, very thin border from nitpicking to ridiculous will be crossed.
For the example i gave in the last post, the latter is the case imho. But, maybe it is all about the presentation of such a sentence (situation, mood, etc). Somehow, the audience has to buy it.
Adventer,
How about this, why don't you instead of looking at all the problem's, ect . . . come up with your own stuff about the personality, character, ect . . . of Indy's son. This is one of the reason's why I put this thread up, not to argue yea or nay, but rather to find out what other people came up with about Indy having a son. Inquing mind's would like to know. Can't to a smilie with my computer otherwise I would do one winking at you. Can't wait to here what you come up with, FAN and JC
Hey guy's,
have you come up with anything yet? Cant wait to read it.
FAn and JC
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