Why should there be an Indy IV?

[bob]

'allo

Back in the old days (before proper announcements) there were many arguements about whether there should be an Indy IV at all; now that Indy IV is a near certainty i think this is as good a time as any to see why we want this movie at all...

Is it....
- To just get another slice of Indy action
- To see character development
- To see Soviets/Chinaese/Americans/Belgians/Eskimos shot to pieces by Indy
- To see how Indy will react to an era in which he is an anarcronism
- Or do you not even think there should be Indy IV

[monkey]

Good one Bob.

I wouldn't mind at all if they didn't make it.

Then again the thought of watching Indy wading through a peaceful Eskimo village with automatic weapons blazing wreaking bloody carnage, well....hmmmm.....

Seriously though. I've stated many times that if you use Harrison Ford, then you're automatically locked in to a whole bunch of circumstances that can not be changed.

He WILL be old

It WILL be set in the 1950's

There CAN'T be Nazis

Therefore you MUST put some new ingredients into it that the original movies didn't need.

It WILL be very different. So if you're ready for that then OK.

Personally I'm tired of all the hype. I couldn't care less if they make it or not, and kind of lean towards not wanting it made.

[Canyon]

Sorry to go of topic, but...

Hey Monkey! You're back. How are you? (Hope the move went well!) :D

[wolfgang]

Well, I persoanlly want it for a few reasons, the other slice of indy's action (#1), to bring the character again to people who remember him, so I can watch a brand new different adventure, and so I can finally see him on the big screen...never had since I am form, well....another generation.

[00Kevin]

Why should there be an Indy IV?

why not?






if adventure has a name, it must be indiana jones.....we need to teach this to the incoming generations

the greatest action series ever, the best adventure films of them all, great story, lines, plot, artifacts, moments, heroes and villians

I say again, why not? the man in the hat SHOULD be back.

[Adventurer]

Yeah. He should. But at any cost? Imho, this is the best trilogy ever made until now, but it is very, very simple to "ruin" the whole thing.
The third part has a perfect ending, and a perfect title for a last chapter.

It wouldn´t be the first time that a great series would get a medicore last chapter because of the director, the actor(s) and the producer try too hard to make it perfect. It can even happen to the best of them.

But the above requires the concept that people care about the films as a trilogy. This doesn´t matter to some people, so there should be no problem to do a fourth, seen from that angle. (come to think about it, what is it that makes the "three" such a magical number? Isn´t that total nonsense? What about a Quadrology? :))

[bob]

I think that from my point of view LC ended the classic Indy saga perfectly, he had made up with his Father which if we follow the YIJ to be (a proper) part of the saga is the key antagonism to him; it had made him into what he was in the 30's. Now that is ended and he is emotionally healed (i know it is corny) he defeats the Nazis attempt to get the most Indy esqe artifact in the whole series, and he rides off with his supporting cast one of whom is already dead.

Indy IV due to those reasons and due to time will have to sit outside the trilogy....

If it is done right then the story can not be just a tacked on addition to the series set in an era that is not familiar to Indy; this could be made interesting but i think that Indy IV will have to aspire to actually adress these issues rather than just continuing unaware of its new setting

But if we are just going to be given just ANOTHER Raiders sequel (not that it is bad thing, but time and setting will disadvantage this movie); it will be difficult for it to live upto the already high expectations of general movie fans let alone Indy fans.

[monkey]

To go OT for just a quick moment. Thanks Canyon.

OK, I have a question: can anyone think of a similar situation in movie making history? Has there ever been a successful (or even unsuccessfull) movie trilogy that they tried to make a fourth installment of 16 or 17 years later with basically the same actors?

I think this is kind of a unique thing. There's really nothing to compare it to. So they're moving into uncharted territory.

I don't know, I have my doubts.

[00Kevin]

monkey, are you drunk?

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but such films are coming out by the hand ful now

after a few years with no film, and points of almost losing popularity, the series is revived for at least 1 more go........

james bond: 89-95 new film: success
SW: 83-99 new film: well, they did well at the box office, but do not match up to the origonals.....yet ;)
godfather: I don't even know, 60's-90 or so new film:not seen 2 nor 3, but I hear the 3rd isn't half as good as the others

more soon: Die Hard, there were rumors for BTTF, now debunked

this concept of bringing back old films from the 80s and giving them 1 more show in the 90's/2000's.....becoming VERY popular

[monkey]

How'd you know I was drunk? Do you have a breathalyzer on your monitor?

OK, I stand corrected. And the films you mention have been successful.

But did they use the same lead character(s)?

I'd love to see another BTTF.

[wolfgang]

BTTF? what does it satands for? anyway, indy IV won't "ruin" the triology. If it is a bad movie, and I am convinced it won't be, I'll just keep considering indy a trilogy!

[00Kevin]

in response to what monkey said:

well....

James Bond: okay, you have me here, they had desmond, but no one else. If Timothy Dalton stayed, then that would probubly be at least 3 more people (bond, M, moneypenny)

SW-a few, yoda, R2 and 3PO were played by the same people

Godfather-yeah, a couple....

DH-well, not many reoccuring roles, other then willis as McClane, there were 3 who were in both 1 and 2, but no one else was in more then 1. So I doubt they will have anyone

and besides, indy's not really ganna have many. Harrison Ford, SC, and John R-D, Karen and Kate may have cameos. so really, it's not much there either




and BTTF stands for 'Back to the Future'

[Edited by 00Kevin on 07-05-2003 at 10:40 pm]

[wolfgang]

Thank for the BTTF thing Kev. And I jsut wanted to say my opinion on this "have anyone ever known a series of movies that the next one has been good if its made 16 years later" thing. Well, I would say Escape from L.A. which was the sequel to Escape from New York and it was made16 years alter, but I seem to be one of the few people that liked it so I can't really say it was good. So, then, lets say indy IV came out, it was very good, satisfacttory to us fans. Now, lets say Die Hard fans are worried a fourth film won't work, but then the'll say "WAIT! it worked for indy? why can't it work for Jhon?" My point is, if there are no good 16 years after movies,then why can't indy be the first good one? I hope my opinion is clear...

[Attila the Professor]

I'm probably just echoing monkey and bob's thoughts here, but as fun as it would be to see Indy IV, things are so different from the trilogy, which itself ended so perfectly with LC, that Indy IV will have to considerably change from the previous films - I'm talking character development, particularly with Indy as an anachronism.

There probably shouldn't be an Indy IV, I think.

[00Kevin]

NOOOO!!! *stabs attila* well, really, they can't beat the LC ending

[wolfgang]

Okay, so Last Crusade was a perfect ending...so what? big deal. I myself agree with it. But, you know, okay then make it the perfect end for the adult indy series...hmm...Okay, I can not say anything that would contradict that Last Crusade was the best ending, but what if this happens? The same ending with different characters OR something similar, like indy kissing with the girl at sunset?

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by 00Kevin
NOOOO!!! *stabs attila* well, really, they can't beat the LC ending

Et tu, Kevin? Then fall Attila...

Aw, I couldn't resist.

[00Kevin]

LOL! that was geat! I hope I don't see at phillipi (SP?)

hey, that's great! both of us would read JC this past year, smashing..........(knowing you, you probubly already had)

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Attila the Professor
Originally posted by 00Kevin
NOOOO!!! *stabs attila* well, really, they can't beat the LC ending

Et tu, Kevin? Then fall Attila...

Aw, I couldn't resist.


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! NOW WHAT FINN!!!!! ATTILA ISN'T THAT ANGLE ANYMORE IS HE HUH?

HE TOOK THIS THREAD OF TOPIC!!!!!! :p

[Attila the Professor]

Yes, yes, guilty as framed.

But men may construe things after their fashion, far from the purpose of the things themselves...the lesson? Don't read too much into Indy IV rumours. ;)

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by Attila the Professor
But men may construe things after their fashion, far from the purpose of the things themselves...

if I may quote Chris Tucker From Rush Hour:

"What the #$@% Did you just say?"

[dmaster]

Of course the ending can be better than LC! Why do you think the "heroes go ridding horses on sunset" was chosen for LC? Because its classic? Of course! But than doesn't say to me that there isn't a better end for a new chapter on the Indy series. Is Indiana Jones some sort of Clint Eastwood that the best that can be done is this sunset thing ???

I can picture a shot where for example Indy look at the camera, adjusts his hat, gives his trademark ironic smile and just walks away into the desert or something.

Of course since I'm not Steven Spielberg the genius movie maker that graciously delivered us these fantastic pieces of work I'm sure the actual ending will be far far better.

[Ellies7th]

Well, it is a risk - yes. I am so excited about it - but worried. Much of my worry stems from how much I disliked the new Star Wars movies. What if Indy 4 has it's own equivalent of Jar Jar Binks? I guess all of us want some part of our youths to continue -- Indy should live forever, of course. I'm hoping for only a fistful of special effects -- not too overdone like most movies seem to be these days. Effectheavy and storypoor.

My best friend & I skipped school (11th grade) one time only. For the first showing of the first day of Temple of Doom. As a bonus, we got out of dissecting fetal pigs that day in science class! I treasure the memory of that day. She lives in Virginia now, and I in NY. Despite the miles between us, we plan on getting together to repeat history for Indy 4 (only skipping WORK this time). (You know, we even got a free poster - but I must have thrown it away (!!) at some point while 'growing up'. >sigh<

Let's start a nationwide campaign -- "SKIP WORK FOR INDY 4!"
;)

Anyone have ideas on how an ambitious girl could be an extra in Indy 4?? Cripes, I think even extras have to sign up with some stupid agency. ;p

[Primo]

Do we NEED to have an Indiana Jones 4? Good question. I say if Indiana Jones had been set up as a true Saturday matinee serial hero, that is to say, if Indiana Jones had been a vanilla bland, unlayered, unflavored Saturday matinee serial hero, no. In that case we would not NEED to see another installment in THAT series. But the thing is, Indiana Jones was not set up as a true Saturday matinee hero. He is not vanilla bland, unflavored, unlayered. He's INDIANA JONES. He's a real person. That's silly, I know, but damn it, it's true. And if you're reading this post, you know what I'm saying and you feel the same way. Indy is a flesh and hot-blooded person. He has lived a life beyond what we've seen on the screen. That is the beauty of the films. They've created a complete universe by implication and innuendo. A universe that's unique to every fan because their imagination has been stoked by the images unfolding before them on screen. That is why there NEEDS to be another Indiana Jones movie. Because of Indiana Jones; we NEED to see the next chapter in his life unfold. Because it has been too long since we've been dropped into Indy's universe and been led by someone else's imagination besides of our own.

[Aaron H]

While I can see the merit of digging up old topics for the sake of discussion, perhaps you could make a new thread that references the old ones, no?

[crittnation]

I am an Indy fan and have been since 1981. ROTLA is my favorite film of all time. That being said, just imagine, Indy is now older, wiser and still down for more action. There should and will be an Indy IV, and I for one can't wait. Hell, if they do this correctly which I believe they will, why not complete another trilogy? Shoot 5 and 6 at the same time? Finish them before Harrison is definitley too old. What say you Indy fans?

[MsIndy07]

I was just actually thinking about that. If this movie takes off and is actually good, which I think it will be, then shoudl they make a 5 & 6? I woudl love it. I think that the movie industry is missing somethign liek IJ, and they shoudl make as many as they can.

I woudl love to hear what you all think about making an entirely new trilogy. So thougths please! :whip:

[Papa Jones]

If Indy IV is a huge success, I'm sure that they'll consider that option.

[Shortie]

One because the contract originally said there would be 4 sequels to Raiders of the Lost Ark, which really means we're one movie short. Two, us angry fans would go crazy.

[Indy1986]

the answer is really simple to me:
we need Indy 4 cause the new generation of teenagers didn't grow up with that movie.and indiana jones is such a classic that even the new younger generation should discover what it is all about when a new Indiana Jones comes out.The new generation has to be reminded what adventure is ...and it is not Lara Croft or the Mummy or Pirates of the Caribbean it is Indiana Jones!!!

[Sankara]

Fact is: There is no need for "Indy IV"!
"Last Crusade" was a perfect ending!

It's very hard to make a better Indy-Film than "Indy II"

It's very-very to make a better Indy-Film than "Indy III"

and it's impossible to make a better Indy-Film than "Raiders".

That's for sure.

[Indy1986]

I personally don't even think that Raiders was the best one. What I liked about Raiders was the opening scene and the truck scene
But I prefer the setting of Temple of doom.
Anyway actually I don't think that it is that important to top the old movies wiht Indy 4.
I mean we are all fans so we want "more" of Indiana Jones.We want have again that feeling of seeing an Indiana Jones movie in the cinema.As long as the next movies can keep up more or less with the old one i am happy.

[Sankara]

We all wont "more" of Indiana Jones??? No!

Nobody wants a bad ending for these fantastic Pictures. "Last Crusade" is a beautiful ending - "Indy IV" MUST top this ending.

I don't it's possible. We will see (and I will pray every day) :-)


By the way:

No true Indy-Fan wants more Episodes of "YIJC"! Because it sucks and has nothing to do with Indiana Jones. For example...

[Indy1986]

Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones.....I never got the chance to see a real Indiana Jones in a movie theatre.....personally I want just to say Indiana Jones is back. I doubt that this movie will be able "to top" the other parts...that is hardly possible. I hope that the next movie will be good enough so it can keep up with the others and be a part of it.
And I don't like to see Last Crusade as "perfect ending" it was a great movie but for me it was similar to Raiders (Nazis,climate,settings). I think the last Indiana Jone smovie should come up with something completely new.
So basically I do "want more" cause I finally want see Indiana Jone in new situation and setings as long as harrison Ford is young enough too do it.

[Primo]

Keep the faith ladies and gents. I know we're dissappointed annually by the super hype summer films, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible to see another great Indiana Jones film. I believe that Mr. Spielberg knows what the Indiana Jones character is all about. He knows what makes these films special. He can deliver the goods. He can deliver the fun, the heart, the humor, the action, the adventure, the mystery and the magic.

Don't cop out. Don't lower your expectations. It IS possible. It can be great again.

[oki9Sedo]

Why should there be an Indy 4?

Definitive answer: because the people who made the previous three think there should be one.

[IndySeven]

There should definitely be an Indy 4, because many people that were born after 1989 didn't get to see an Indy film in theaters!:)

[Niteshade007]

There should be an Indy IV because I wasn't really happy with the prequel and the sequel and I'm giving them one more chance to make it up to me.

What, this isn't about me? Darn.

[oki9Sedo]

There should be an Indy IV because I wasn't really happy with the prequel and the sequel and I'm giving them one more chance to make it up to me.

What, this isn't about me? Darn.

Alot of people do feel that way Niteshade007. Alot of people only liked Raiders.

[Niteshade007]

I don't dislike either of them (well, maybe Last Cruase a little...), but I do feel that neither lived up to Raiders.

[oki9Sedo]

I don't dislike either of them (well, maybe Last Cruase a little...), but I do feel that neither lived up to Raiders.

True.

There were aspects of Last Crusade I disliked as well btw. Things like Harrison Ford having visibly aged 9 years since Raiders, yet them setting the film 2 years after it, or the pathetic speedboat chase.

[Kernunnos]

Alot of people do feel that way Niteshade007. Alot of people only liked Raiders.

I hated TOD and thought LC could and should have been a lot better.

I'm hoping IV has a lot more of the Raiders feel about it.

[Vendetta08]

I wonder how Bob is feeling right now, even though he hasn't been here for the past 3 years.

[Attila the Professor]

I wonder how Bob is feeling right now, even though he hasn't been here for the past 3 years.

I wish he would come back...hell, I did, so I guess anything's possible, but I mostly doubt it.

As for why there ought to be an Indy IV, there's only one justification immediately occurring to me and that's if the film were thematically about Indy's time having passed him by; that's the only film that would make much sense to make after the redemption story told in Last Crusade, and considering the gap in years both in our time and in his.

[No Ticket]

I personally am excited to see Indy IV! I mean, I haven't seen one in the theater yet either! But...

I do agree it's hard to top the old ones, and I honestly don't think it will be BETTER than LC or have a better ending. But we'll see.

Everyone going on about how this generation didn't grow up with Indy so we need it for that... bull. They can still watch the old movies if they want to. The point is, it won't be the same Indiana Jones this time around no matter how much you want it to be. So the effect this movie has on those who don't know may not be as good as the effect the originals had on all of us.

Still. I want to see Indy IV. But I don't really think they need to make it.

[replican't]

Cos whatever they do to it, it can't possibly be as bad as this

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c20/arseburghers/OhGodNoPleaseFatOldIndyNOOOOO.jpg

[No Ticket]

Cos whatever they do to it, it can't possibly be as bad as this

Your right... that is pretty scary... especially if you gave him glowing red eyes and insert the fires of hell behind him.