Indiana Jones Film 4 Plot Revealed!

[indyphd]

Indiana Jones Film 4 Plot Revealed

http://www.mrindianajones.com/film4plot.html

Just getting the word out!

Let us know what you think.

Paul
mrindianajones


[Edited by indyphd on 11-15-2003 at 11:26 am]

[LASTCRUSADER]

It seems to me that this a fan made plot. Cool concept though.

[indyphd]

Originally posted by temple of john
It's seems very complex. If this were the plot, i would want to see it dumbed down a little.

How would you want to see it "dumbed down a little"?

[Pale Horse]

But Belloq was wearing the ephod in Raiders. Check it out if you don't believe me. How it relates to the Illuminati is beyond me. It''s more of a stretch then the Garden of Eden plot that is growing around here somewhere.

[indyphd]

Originally posted by apalehorse
But Belloq was wearing the ephod in Raiders.

...and look what happened to him...it was not the original Ephod...it had the makings and held all the stones idetified in the scriptures as making up the Ephod, and traditionally they are still worn even the Pope today has an ephod that is worn during times.

They need the original stone of God - The All Seeing Eye - from Melchizedek - the first of the Illumined body of enlightened humans - who passed it on to Abram at the time of his blessing and then was divided to represent the 12 tribes of Israel to create the stone flavors of the original Ephod that was worn by the High Priest Patriarch who ruled over them.

Surely if Belloq was wearing it then he would not have deceased...

Paul - mrindianajones
http://www.mrindianajones.com

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by indyphd
Originally posted by apalehorse
But Belloq was wearing the ephod in Raiders.

...and look what happened to him...it was not the original Ephod...it had the makings and held all the stones idetified in the scriptures as making up the Ephod, and traditionally they are still worn even the Pope today has an ephod that is worn during times.

They need the original stone of God - The All Seeing Eye - from Melchizedek - the first of the Illumined body of enlightened humans - who passed it on to Abram at the time of his blessing and then was divided to represent the 12 tribes of Israel to create the stone flavors of the original Ephod that was worn by the High Priest Patriarch who ruled over them.

Surely if Belloq was wearing it then he would not have deceased...

Paul - mrindianajones
http://www.mrindianajones.com



Besides, if it were the original, do you think God would have allowed it to protect an "evil" man?

[indyphd]

Originally posted by Attila the Professor
[/B]

Besides, if it were the original, do you think God would have allowed it to protect an "evil" man? [/B][/QUOTE]

In this case, yes, the breast plate would have protected him as blood would on a door post. For it was not the eyes of the mind that needed not look on the Ark, it was the sinful eyes of the heart, which would have been covered by the stones.

The priests even so back then were evil at heart as all men were, but were protected by rules, rituals, and special garments for the Holly of Holly's.

This of course is a bit fictionalized compared to theological truth, however, if one wanted to bring absolute theological truth into it, you could do alot of technical thrashing of the whole thing.

Paul
mrindianajones
http://www.mrindianajones.com

[bob]

Seems a little bit unlikely to me

[indyphd]

Originally posted by bob
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I assume you just mean don't preach by the "Don't mention Religion" right?

It would be difficult to not discuss some type of religion in respect of so many religious artifacts surrounding the series.

Though my Ph.D. is in Religious Philosophy, I only mention the theology in regards to support the theories, or mix-up-theories of the thread. Not to offend.


Paul
mrindianajones
http://www.mrindianajones.com

[merancapeman]

That is the most FAKEST plot i've heard. I know its fake, but to be honest, Lucas would be dumb enough to think of something like that..

[Attila the Professor]

I don't mind the basic idea, so long as the references to Raiders are taken out.

[Aaron H]

Originally posted by indyphd
Originally posted by bob
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Welcome to the Raven: Don't mention Religion, Star Wars or Politics and you will be fine!
Let us not forget those brave threads who perished in the July 2002 and August 2003 cull

I assume you just mean don't preach by the "Don't mention Religion" right?

It would be difficult to not discuss some type of religion in respect of so many religious artifacts surrounding the series.

Though my Ph.D. is in Religious Philosophy, I only mention the theology in regards to support the theories, or mix-up-theories of the thread. Not to offend.


Paul
mrindianajones
http://www.mrindianajones.com
Perfect, we need some more reasonable peope like you. Welcome!:D

[indyphd]

Originally posted by merancapeman
That is the most FAKEST plot i've heard. I know its fake, but to be honest, Lucas would be dumb enough to think of something like that..

It may seem the "most Fakest" however all the Post Script Notes are actual history and legit information.

Fiction comes in when the element of the supernatural is added which if you judge all the movies by, how much more fake could you get?

At least the history of the post script is based on real events, as are most the post script notes of the past three in the trilogy.

Paul
mrindianajones

[Pale Horse]

While interesting for a conspiracy theroy, the element of unbelievability trancends the potential for disbelief.

And while the "greatest trick the devil ever pulled..." aligns itself with your theroy, MY understanding of American Liberties and it's ties to the financial ramifications of the newly formulated alliance under the Euro-Dollar, are not as complicated you are suggesting.

Besides, the sites reasoning is false, especially considering the Hebrew root of Melchizedek, is Moloch. See Paradise Lost for a secular interpretation of who he is, or trust me when I say he is a false diety.

For that reason alone I know that George Lucas and Steven Speilburg would not even consider addressing the coming of the anti-christ (or as the site suggests, the Messiah) as it pertains to archeology.

Indiana Jones is not researcher looking for the cause of the worlds troubles, nor is he the type to fix them. All he wants to do is steal artifacts that will bring him fortune and glory.

[merancapeman]

Aaah, I don't think so. Not soley for fortune and glory. He has his own sense of judgement, hence, "That belongs in a meuseum". Most of all, I remember, in Last Crusade he was trying to get it before the Germans do (as well as the Arc... oh, and the Stones, except he was just trying to save the townspeople).

[indyphd]

Originally posted by apalehorse
Paradise Lost[/i] for a secular interpretation of who he is, or trust me when I say he is a false diety.



There is a link to Melchizedek on the site, it has the key bible verses he is mentioned in and explanation of why theologically he is relevant. Also any concordance will bring up his old and New Testament relevant verses.

I think you mentioned something about the Euro - however that was not relevant to the plot.

The plot reads that Indy is after the relic his great grandfather searched for. Indy’s not out to save the world. Just as in Raiders he was after the Ark not to save the world either. However the villain’s ulterior motives are based on the post script information which is only there to provide understanding as to why they want the relic; Similar to Raiders when they set down the relevance of the Ark and why Hitler wanted it.


Paul

[merancapeman]

Thanks, bud.

[torao]

i really think that the story sounds pretty amazing and interesting... although there are still some things that are not working for me:
for example the fact that indy is AGAIN on the quest of something one of his ancestors left behind (although there`s also the connection to his own archeological history because of the whole ark/RAIDERS link). IMHO a bit odd after LC

btw: ...i dunno if i`m a victim of my not that good english but do some of you actually think that this is the indy4 plot????
i mean...how could it be???(no sources, a special description of the MOVIE!? etc.) well indyphd, you did a great research and writing job but do YOU believe that WE believe that this is the darabont plot???

one more thing: i just spent some time on the officical CFR homepage. OH MY!!! this is really weird. i just read there one article that was already entitled "AGAINST EUROPE". (i`m from germany) and what was written in there (the author uses the expressions OLD and NEW EUROPE as it was just usual vocabulary) was even more shocking.

[bob]

Ok then so if this plot is supposed to be real then i will be brutally honest about it

I am sorry but that plot is semi-literate and is not in the spirit of Indy (overbearing secret socieites and conspiracies etc)

And the plot in itself is simply a rehash of Raiders of which little thought seems to have gone into.

The whole secret society thing is almost getting into 'the elders of zion' levels in paranoia, and seems to be an as subtle as a sledgehammer in its apparent contempory relevance particularly the fight for American freedom, Indy is mobilised here as a very political hero which he simply is not.
There are next to no descriptions of action sequences.

However as a fan story it is not at all bad it is at the very least a fascinating interpretation of the Indiana Jones legend and i would like to read more.

But it just aint Indy IV

[LASTCRUSADER]

I personally think that this is not the real plot.Simply because everyone that is involved in the making of the fourth film is keeping their mouth shut about the new plot. I mean if these guys are working so hard on keeping the plot a secret why would this be let out?

[FordFan]

If they went back to the Well of Souls, it would look like the producing team ran out of ideas. To have Indy go after the Ark or anything related to the Ark would be nothing but a cut scene from Raiders, with an older Indiana Jones.

It's an interesting thought, but more than that? Not really.

[Pale Horse]

Cheers bob, you always have a way with words.

[Webley]

It was bad I could not even read it all. I hope no one here did it.

[indyphd]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
You just can't beat LC'ers logic.

You really think they're going to make an anti-Mason's movie? Think about that.

I had someone else say something about that - and don't see where the Anti-Mason thing is coming into it.

I took the original reference to Masons out though it was not an Anti-Mason thing; it just said that Indy’s Great Grandfather was a Mason, therefore giving him a legitimate reason why he would be looking for the Relic, though not for the same reasons as the CFR would be trying to obtain the relic.

The fact he searched for it with such a passion creates a family character trait; that passion passes onto his son as a compulsion to search out the Holly Grail, and now onto Indiana Jones; and if it goes farther, onto Indy’s Son.

Though most Masons are good men with great families, I don't think anyone thinks they are a perfect group of men anymore than any other formal gathering of people. You can find evil and ulterior motives in every organized group whether religious or secular, so it would not be unreasonable to expect the same out of Masons or government are anything else.

Let say only 3% of any organization is corrupt. Imagine the #'s at 1,000,000 members. Polling would have corruption in any organization higher than 3%. So it would not be unreasonable for the Masons or Catholics or Christian or any social group to expect there is not some type of dirt or corruption that can be played upon. It's done with every other entity in the world...why would we think as Masons we should be exempt?

Paul
mrindianajonesprm

[Pale Horse]

indyphd

...I took the original reference to Masons out though it was not an Anti-Mason thing...


Soooo, is this your (hypothetical) plot, our something that can be substantiated?

[indyphd]

Originally posted by apalehorse



Soooo, is this your (hypothetical) plot, our something that can be substantiated?



Yes, this is a hypothetical plot, or something that can be substantiated. :)

Aron knows, maybe we should ask him?????????????


Paul Marshall PhD
http://www.mrindianajones.com
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Go over, go under, go around, or go through; just keep going and never give up!

[Edited by indyphd on 11-18-2003 at 12:29 am]

[indyphd]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
Paul... this is something YOU made up, isn't it?

Yeah, I suppose it could be...only time will tell;

However by means of raison d'être, I perhaps could present a few supplementary details on the matter if they fashion themselves useful, proviso the interest and circumstance emerge for a second time.

Paul
http://www.mrindianajones.com

P.S. I don't believe the "Road to Perdition" would have quite the impact if it didn’t have the Fedoras, Tommy guns, and old cars. The era and the characteristics we define it by are what give the movie the powerful ora it had.

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Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do...

[Edited by indyphd on 11-18-2003 at 10:31 am]

[torao]

Originally posted by indyphd


Yes, this is a hypothetical plot, or something that can be substantiated. :)

Aron knows, maybe we should ask him?????????????

[/B]


actually...to procove aaron a bit:
i get more `n more doubts about you knowledge concerning indy4°!!! :D i always read your words saying that some great news from your side is ahead and....nothing happens. c`mon aaron!

[Aaron H]

I have not spoken about major IV stuff for nearly a year.
What I have said in the past has all come to pass. The big news I promised came and went, Indy IV became offical, script draft 1 was completed, and the DVD's came to be. The time schedule may have been off, but not by much and as we all know Hollywood is always changing its schedule.

I don't have any new information that I can share, or that I would want to. When the time comes info will start to flow more freely, and I will be here to serve it up.

"Trust me."

[indyphd]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
Originally posted by indyphd

P.S. I don't believe the "Road to Perdition" would have quite the impact if it didn’t have the Fedoras, Tommy guns, and old cars. The era and the characteristics we define it by are what give the movie the powerful ora it had.


Oh, now you're getting NASTY! Those are fighting words! [Quickly lays out a few shot glasses and fills them with Whiskey.]


I wasn't getting nasty, I had just read your review and add my post script as you were not sure if you thought you would answer that the movie would be as good as you thought if the Fedoras, Tommy guns, and old cars were not there. And I was just saying, I think that those items help make that movie, and if you were to put it in another era of time, the plot may not have been played out as well. Regardless you can still bring out the shot glasses...I need a drink.

Paul

[Pale Horse]

I could use a shot of whiskey, too. Where's Ameera?

I am glad we now know this as hypothetical, and that makes it more malleable and ready to perfect into good fan fiction.

[Webley]

Who is going to adapt this screenplay in to the book?

[indyphd]

Originally posted by Webley
Who is going to adapt this screenplay in to the book?

I don't know how good I would be at writing a whole book about it...I will have to try and write out an action theme and see if I can live with it.

[indyphd]

Originally posted by temple of john
The more I read about this Indy's grandfather thing the more I want to split open somebody's grill. I want to see the character get back to his ass kicking days of raiders.

The grandfather thing has little to do with the movie character of Indy. It simply creates a reference so that the plot can be mapped from it in a direct like an easterly or westerly declination...kind of sort a thing.

Paul

[Edited by indyphd on 01-29-2004 at 07:14 am]

[Indyana Joana]

I had someone else say something about that - and don't see where the Anti-Mason thing is coming into it.

I took the original reference to Masons out though it was not an Anti-Mason thing; it just said that Indy’s Great Grandfather was a Mason, therefore giving him a legitimate reason why he would be looking for the Relic, though not for the same reasons as the CFR would be trying to obtain the relic.

The fact he searched for it with such a passion creates a family character trait; that passion passes onto his son as a compulsion to search out the Holly Grail, and now onto Indiana Jones; and if it goes farther, onto Indy’s Son.

Though most Masons are good men with great families, I don't think anyone thinks they are a perfect group of men anymore than any other formal gathering of people. You can find evil and ulterior motives in every organized group whether religious or secular, so it would not be unreasonable to expect the same out of Masons or government are anything else.

Let say only 3% of any organization is corrupt. Imagine the #'s at 1,000,000 members. Polling would have corruption in any organization higher than 3%. So it would not be unreasonable for the Masons or Catholics or Christian or any social group to expect there is not some type of dirt or corruption that can be played upon. It's done with every other entity in the world...why would we think as Masons we should be exempt?

Paul
mrindianajonesprm

My Great Grandfather was a mason. He was a good man. He owned some land, a telephone company, and a few little places people rented out as little stores. It was a very tiny town, but he did a lot of good things for the community.

My uncle was also a mason. He was principal of an elementary school for over 30 years. He had a wonderful interest in the well-being of all children in his school. He knew all their names. (When I was growing up, he always asked me questions no one else did; such as, who is your Heroine. I was only in the 9th grade and I hadn't really thought about it. I finally came to the conclusion that Audrey Hepburn is my heroine. She was a great actress and she did many great things for needy people.)

Anyway, I just wanted to put a few positive notes out there about the Masons. I haven't actually heard any bad things about them. I've just heard they have done some bad things. It's a mysterious cloak around their actual activities. For the good, let's hope there is a good reason for that, like the protection of early American artifacts.

Indyana Joana

[Finn]

Holy resurrection of a way dead thread... a big relief, though. Don't have to figure out what to do with the thread opener.

[WillKill4Food]

My uncle was a member of the Masons.
He told my dad one day a few years ago that he was advancing to the next rank of masonry soon.
After he advanced to that rank, I can't remember what the rank was, he told my dad that he now wanted out of the Masons after some of the things they told him.
A week went by, and my dad couldn't contact his brother, even though he tried.
One day he gets a call from the cops. My uncle was found dead next to a window in his apartment with a bullet in the back of his head. The cops ruled it as suicide.:eek:

[IrishLuck1980]

Time to get the boots on. The crap is getting deep...

[oki9Sedo]

Good God, this thread is older than the last ice age.

[salussolia]

My uncle was a member of the Masons.
He told my dad one day a few years ago that he was advancing to the next rank of masonry soon.
After he advanced to that rank, I can't remember what the rank was, he told my dad that he now wanted out of the Masons after some of the things they told him.
A week went by, and my dad couldn't contact his brother, even though he tried.
One day he gets a call from the cops. My uncle was found dead next to a window in his apartment with a bullet in the back of his head. The cops ruled it as suicide.:eek:
REally????????????