Indy should DIE at the end of the 4th movie

[DST]

That way, no other actor other than Ford could play him. What made Indy such a great hero was that he was still human. He had fears. After a long day of beating up Nazis, he would be sore and bruised. This added to the realism.

So why not have him die.

Ok you probably all disagree with me, but im just throwing an idea out there.....

If Indiana Jones had to die at the end of the 4th movie, how would you do it? How would you have him die? What does him in?

discuss~

[Webley]

An old man at home in his bed.
I love Indy so when he dies I hop he dos not die in pane.

That gos the same for all of you guys to now dont you go dieing on me.

[Edited by Webley on 01-26-2004 at 02:23 am]

[Ayrun]

Hm….
Getting bruised in a fight is one thing… dying… that's another.

Well, I don't think it be such a great idea to have him die in the 4th movie.
Unless it adds something to the story and the 'legend'… and I doubt that.

And it sure as hell isn't going to stop anyone from not making another film.
If they are determined to make more movies, but without HF, they'll just take some other actor and make a prequel, or something.
But I don't think they will do that.
At least not for a long time.

But… if he must die in the 4th… I think it should happen during a fight, protecting a relic or something else of great value.
Maybe… a fight with his enemy.. the enemy dies.. IJ get's badly wounded.. but before dying he's able to get the relic to the place it belongs.. so he can ( somewhat ) rest in peace.

[Randy_Flagg]

The problem is that it wouldn't really keep the continuity with the Young Indy Chronicles since we see him as an old man in those. But then again, the Young Indy didn't seem to keep much continuity with the movies anyway (he seemed like a completely different character), so I guess that doesn't matter much. I might be okay with them killing Indy, depending on how it's done.

[monkey]

Die? No.

Disappear? Maybe.

Kind of like Captain Nemo, who disappeared, and then reappeared years later on Mysterious Island.

[Pale Horse]

I don't need to see him die. I do think it would be a great tribute to Citizen Kane, with a long crane shot pulling back slowly as an old Indy looks over his life and realizes his career was in ruins.

[cant wait 4 indy 4!]

'Indy should die?' What the hell are you talking about? What is wrong with you?! Are you sick?

[cant wait 4 indy 4!]

Exactly.

[IndyBlues]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
Leaving Jones just as we found him... heading deeper into the jungle looking for the next big artifact is the best way to say good-bye.

That would be an awesome idea, Fisk, Great way to bookend the entire series of films. Granted have the movie end in a fantastic story, and have an epilogue scene with Indy Raiding another Idol, in another temple, and show him escaping whatever natives, and flying off into the sunset with his old bush pilot,Jock. Roll credits.

[Indy Jones Jr.]

I also don't like the idea of Indy diying...

Reason #1: There are lots of novels that are set after the films + it wouldn't match with the Young Indy Adventures (as mentioned by Randy_Flagg)...

Reason #2: It would totally suck! :D

It should be an end like in "Emperor's Tomb" (the pc-game),
when that asian dude (the waiter who gets shot in Temple of Doom) comes to Indy and remembers him they still got to find the Nurhachi for Lao Che...

What I mean is that the movie should end with Indy heading into a new adventure...

But I agree that there shouldn't be any more movies, well ...except Ford plays Indy ... ;)

[Aaron H]

I like several ideas
1) Indy setting off on another adventure (like what Ren and Blues said)
2) There is no way for Indy to make it out alive, and all the characters think he is dead...then after the credits we see something that could imply that he is alive.
3) Indy teaching in a classroom, and while he is talking he starts thinking about all the adventure there is to be had and leaves the classroom.

[Finn]

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=363&pagenumber=4&postid=37433#post37433

:D

[Pale Horse]

Originally posted by Aaron H
I like several ideas
1) Indy setting off on another adventure (like what Ren and Blues said)
2) There is no way for Indy to make it out alive, and all the characters think he is dead...then after the credits we see something that could imply that he is alive.
3) Indy teaching in a classroom, and while he is talking he starts thinking about all the adventure there is to be had and leaves the classroom.


*vaguely through the air floats the image of Indy slumped over a horse riding off into the falling sun. It should be a metaphorical ending where death and life could be argued forever.

[Attila the Professor]

Thanks Finn, I was going to look for that...

Here's another one, but the one Finn mentioned is superior:

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/showthread.php?threadid=4925

Also, I am very much open to the idea.

[IAdventurer01]

If Indy were to die, (sheesh, I hope not!) I think it should be against an old rival, with a similar/better resume than Dr. Jones. One of Indy's closest friends die and Indy kills his rival in an epic showdown, but not without serious injuries. Wounded badly, he dies a short while later.

[DST]

I really like this idea: "2) There is no way for Indy to make it out alive, and all the characters think he is dead...then after the credits we see something that could imply that he is alive. "


BTW...

I dont really want him to die. Ok ok, he should live throughout the movies your right, BUT he is human - and humans dont live forever.

How would Indiana Jones die? Something has to do him in eventually right?

How about we have him in his 70's running through a Mayan temple with a relic and he makes it out just fine. He wipes the dirt off of his jacket, and hears a low rumbling. He turns around and sees a giant round bolder and it runs him over :p.

[Finn]

Hmm, p'haps, but only in occasion the thread would discuss about the final escapade of other members too... :D If I were you, I'd wait 'til the Misc. table reopens.

[Randy_Flagg]

I remember when I first saw Last Crusade, I was naive enough to think Indy died when the tank went over the cliff, and I thought, "Ah, so that's why they introduced his father in this one, so another Jones can finish the adventure."

Oh, those naive days of yesteryear, before the internet spoiled everything...

[B-man]

Indy die? NO
Faking his death to decieve a baddy would be a good idea though.
And as for the ending, there's nothing wrong with a 'here we go again' moment...is there?

[Pale Horse]

B-Man brings up a good point. Indy is supposed to die at the end of every movie, so that when the next serial comes out, we can see how he escaped...

[bob]

Indy just cannot die a physical death unless it is at some point beyond the movie.... (i.e. Michael in Godfather III)

However Indy can die a spiritual death, the character of Indiana Jones can die leaving only Dr Henry Jones JR (but i feel that i have said it all before).

[indyfreak2]

i disagree entirely! no way indy should die! he's the collest guy ever! and even though it's doubtful, they might want to make indy 5, and this would prevent it!

[Tennessee R]

I don't want him to die, but DST's idea: "There is no way for Indy to make it out alive, and all the characters think he is dead...then after the credits we see something that could imply that he is alive." is probably my favorite idea.

And monkey, good to see another Jules Verne fan. I didn't think there were many people out there that had read 'The Mysterious Island'. Or have you just seen the movie?

[DST]

Tennesse: I was quoting Aaron H on that one, so it was his idea :)

[Indygirl21]

Indy die? NEVER! I personally like IndyBlues and Fisk's idea about him heading off towards another adventure. I mean come on, Indy is one of the greatest movie heroes of all time (remember the AFI listing?) and you just can't kill him off like that, he's beloved by so many people. Don't let Indy die!!!!!

[Attila the Professor]

Come now, ladies and gentlemen, is it really that terrible for him to die? I like Indy too, but that doesn't mean I'm opposed to his death. So why not try to prevent a bunch of apocryphal literature showing up and grant him a suitable death instead?

[Webley]

The only suitable death for Dr. Jones is him dieing an old old old man with all the people he loves thare to say good buy to him.

[Attila the Professor]

Originally posted by Webley

The only suitable death for Dr. Jones is him dieing an old old old man with all the people he loves thare to say good buy to him.

If he's that old, aren't most of the people he loves going to be dead anyway?

I still think he deserves something more noble than that.

[bob]

Indy is a character based on historical time the period is extremely important and an exact year is given for every event in his life up to 1938.

I think that this obsession with the position of Indy in the 20th century means that a death date is also needed, or at the very least a description of the years after his adventures; what i am trying to say (in my own tortourous way) is that Indy is not immortal as other heroes effectively are as we know his birthdate....

And something should be done to adress this if not in Indy IV then in something vaguely official.

[Strider]

I kind of like the idea of making it look like he dies but then at the very end of the film (or credits) having him be still alive. That way you'll leave the theater feeling happy and content.

[Indyana Joana]

Noooooo! No death for Indy! No No No! Can't be! I won't stand for it! :*( Well, if he does, I guess I'll have to. I don't think he will.

It's like Star Trek. I could never imagine Captain Kirk dying, but he did.

[trippweeder]

Jar Jar La Beouf can die, if you must, but Indy remains immortal.

[Indyana Joana]

Jar Jar La Beouf can die, if you must, but Indy remains immortal.

Oh no! I've been out of touch with Star Wars ... way out of sink with that movie! Jar Jar dies! :*(

[Indyana Joana]

Indy is a character based on historical time the period is extremely important and an exact year is given for every event in his life up to 1938.

I think that this obsession with the position of Indy in the 20th century means that a death date is also needed, or at the very least a description of the years after his adventures; what i am trying to say (in my own tortourous way) is that Indy is not immortal as other heroes effectively are as we know his birthdate....

And something should be done to adress this if not in Indy IV then in something vaguely official.

Well, I don't know about you, but I plan on living until I'm at least 200. lol! :)
:whip:

[Indy4fan]

I think his death will be heroic. I don't mind if he dies...:dead:

[Indyana Joana]

I think his death will be heroic. I don't mind if he dies...:dead:

He is definitely a hero. You will have to buy me a case of kleenix if he dies. :) I will need at least that much to get through it!

Indyana Joana
:whip:

[barranca]

I've always felt that Indy's life and the encounters and adventures he has had have been a form of 'Chronicle' of the 20th century. Since he was born in 1899. He should live on after this movie ageing and experiencing just as he always has. If there is an 'appropriate age for him to 'die' it should be just after his 100th birthday in 1999.

[ForbiddenEye]

I hope not!

If so, they'd need to play that great cheezy song from the end of the first season of "The Venture Bros."
:D

[WillKill4Food]

If he dies:dead: , There are several possibilities that it could be like.
It could be like the death of Kirk in Star Trek: Generations. It was done with some shock value, but it was somewhat moving.
Or, it could be like the death of Anakin Skywalker, having fulfilled some useful purpose.
Or, it could be like the death of Data in Nemesis, where he saves the life of someone.
Or, it could be like the death of Allain Quartermain in the ill-fated League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I loved that movie:up: , but it's why Senior's not in Indy 4 so:down: , I hate it now. Anyway, he saves the life of Tom Sawyer and then gets killed. However, at the end a shaman starts to bring him back to life. But then, the credits attack the screen.
But, I doubt Indy will die, being that when Spock, Kirk, and Data died, they were all leaked, despite attempts to prevent it. We would probably know by now.:whip:

[No Ticket]

If Indy was going to die. He should've died young. He's too old now. He might as well just keep going until he is really old.

[WillKill4Food]

It really depends on whether the Old Indy segments from YIJC are canon or not. If so, he can only die if the movie skips ahead a few decades. If not, who knows?

[Whipper]

If he's that old, aren't most of the people he loves going to be dead anyway?
From the old days, sure, but there'll always be new friends. Indy will always be lovable in his way.

Even as mortal as he is, I feel there are certain fictional heroes who aren't meant to die in front of us. As such, Indy's end should always be an open-ended one. The Old Indy bookends are a great example. Yes, we know he's old and we know he'll die one day, but there's no need to know exactly when or how. No need to see it happen. None at all. Leave it to the imagination.

The last we see of Indiana Jones, he should be living as he's always lived. That's his happy ending. It's enough for me to know he has many years ahead of him and continues to fill his days with adventure to the best of his ability, his spirit undiminished. And passing along what he's learned.

Pluck an eye out and give him a wicked scar, but Indy Lives. :)

[WillKill4Food]

According to SuperShadow, at the end of the movie, he drives off into the jungle in a jeep with Marion and her Mutt and says, "We have no idea what tomorrow might bring."
But I'm doubtin' that. Just wanted to throw it out there.;)

[Indy4fan]

If he dies:dead: , There are several possibilities that it could be like.
It could be like the death of Kirk in Star Trek: Generations. It was done with some shock value, but it was somewhat moving.
Or, it could be like the death of Anakin Skywalker, having fulfilled some useful purpose.
Or, it could be like the death of Data in Nemesis, where he saves the life of someone.
Or, it could be like the death of Allain Quartermain in the ill-fated League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I loved that movie:up: , but it's why Senior's not in Indy 4 so:down: , I hate it now. Anyway, he saves the life of Tom Sawyer and then gets killed. However, at the end a shaman starts to bring him back to life. But then, the credits attack the screen.
But, I doubt Indy will die, being that when Spock, Kirk, and Data died, they were all leaked, despite attempts to prevent it. We would probably know by now.:whip:
You forgot Jigsaw:whip:

[herr gruber]

If the movie sucks, he's gonna die even if he survives?!?!

[metalinvader]

According to SuperShadow, at the end of the movie, he drives off into the jungle in a jeep with Marion and her Mutt and says, "We have no idea what tomorrow might bring."
But I'm doubtin' that. Just wanted to throw it out there.;)

If supershadow is reporting it,It most likely wont happen.

[ReggieSnake]

Indy just cannot die a physical death unless it is at some point beyond the movie.... (i.e. Michael in Godfather III)

However Indy can die a spiritual death, the character of Indiana Jones can die leaving only Dr Henry Jones JR (but i feel that i have said it all before).
I don't think a physical death is probable at all, though such a scene would definitly explain all the secrecy surrounding the movie! If anything it would be a settling down of the Indiana Jones side of Henry Jones Jr. as Bob said. I think it's much more probable that it'll end with a ride-off-into-the-sunset sort of scene or with Indy back into a new adventure as an open-end for future events. Not that I'd be against Indy dieing if done right, just that it's not going to happen.

[Deckard]

"Of all the souls on all of our adventures, Indy's was the most...Human."

And then they fire him out in to space in a torpedo. I'd cry.

[otto rahn]

I'm not in favour of killing off "Pulp" type heros like Indiana Jones. You never know when someone might want to resurrect him !:) And anyway, Indy's origins are in the action pulps and the old movie serials and heroes from those sources don't die (although they might APPEAR to !)

[herr gruber]

Maybe Indy will die at the start of the movie and the rest of the film will involve Mutt seeking revenge. He dresses in Indy's gear and sets out cracking his whip toward the villains. That sounds nice, doesn't it?

:sick: :sick: :sick:

[The_Raiders]

Indy can't die at the start, then it would be Indiana Jones, it'd Mutt Williams and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Indy shouldn't die, mabe get hurt real bad or something, but die, no.

[The_Raiders]

Sorry I ment Indy CAN NOT die at the start. :rolleyes:

[WillKill4Food]

Maybe Indy will die at the start of the movie and the rest of the film will involve Mutt seeking revenge. He dresses in Indy's gear and sets out cracking his whip toward the villains. That sounds nice, doesn't it?

:sick: :sick: :sick:
Guess he puts on a gray wig too. And he uses mirrors to project an image of himself without the wig and fedora?

[Violet]

If any kind of death, I think it would be a metaphoric death, like others have suggested. The death of Indiana Jones, but NOT the death of Henry Jones, Jnr. That would end the series well, and would deny the idea of Indy 5, which works for me. It would also give the opportunity for Marion and Indy...er, Henry Jones Jnr to finally settle down together, and *sob* cue happy ending.

[Forbidden Eye]

"No survivors? Then where do the stories come from I wonder?"

;)

[NoCamels]

Indy's death would only be a good thing if done very very well and for a very good purpose (like saving all his friends or the world or something. But done right).

I'd rather see Indy settle down with Marion, in such a way that you know there could be more adventures. Like Indy and Marion going for a drink at the end of Raiders. You get the feeling that maybe, this time, their relationship could work out. I always wonder what happened to Marion after watching Raiders.

I did think Indy riding off into the sunset at the end of Last Crusade was a very good ending for the series, though. Now they'll have to top that.

[Violet]

I'm not in favour of killing off "Pulp" type heros like Indiana Jones. You never know when someone might want to resurrect him !:) And anyway, Indy's origins are in the action pulps and the old movie serials and heroes from those sources don't die (although they might APPEAR to !)

Hey otto, have you read Astagals of Angkor yet? I'm interested in what you thought of the ending. All I have to say is it's real sad and talking about the idea of Indy's death just made me think about what happened to Cairo Jim.

[Matinee Idyll]

the idea of Indy's death just made me think about what happened to Cairo Jim.

Lemme guess, Cairo Jim lives and eats icecream? :)

[Violet]

Lemme guess, Cairo Jim lives and eats icecream? :)

Cairo Jim disppears into a different dimension, like Infernal Machine type thing. Just when Jocelyn just moved in to his tent in the Valley of Kings.

It was kind of a Marion and Indy moment in the way Indy's death would be.

[ReggieSnake]

Oh no! I've been out of touch with Star Wars ... way out of sink with that movie! Jar Jar dies! :*( No, he doesn't die, we just wish he would have.;)

[Indyana Joana]

No, he doesn't die, we just wish he would have.;)

ROFL! He can be a little irritating! :)

[TheLastCrusader]

Why would Indy die? Can't think of anything ;)

[phatr32]

if he dies in this movie, then who's the old dude in the young indy movies?

bet no one thought about that! (or maybe they did, i havnt read the last 5 pages......)

steve

[herr gruber]

if he dies in this movie, then who's the old dude in the young indy movies?

bet no one thought about that! (or maybe they did, i havnt read the last 5 pages......)

steve

The 'Old Indy' sequences have been removed and are available only to people who own older copies of the series... So, what is it about Indy's future that was unacceptable for Lucas?...

[replican't]

Indy should definitely diet at the end of the film, for sure. Have you seen the ham buffet they had on set? Phew!

[Kingsley]

The 'Old Indy' sequences have been removed and are available only to people who own older copies of the series... So, what is it about Indy's future that was unacceptable for Lucas?...
Maybe Shia's role?

[drjones]

No. Why the he** should he? This is Indiana Jones we're talking about, not National Treasure, etc.