Why did Elsa say that?

[Canyon]

In Last Crusade near the end, Elsa grabs the Grail cup and says:
"We have got it. Come on. It's ours Indy, yours and mine."

After Elsa betrayed Indy, does she seriously expect Indy to just go with her and leave Henry, Sallah and Marcus?

Any thoughts?

[vaxer]

Some women have a very strong power over men...

[Canyon]

Originally posted by vaxer
Some women have a very strong power over men...

I'm waiting for Fisk to reply at any second...:D

[The Stampede]

Well the way she probably saw it, their combined efforts were able to get the grail. (Indy leading the way, and Elsa dispatching dumbass Donovan.) I think she genuinely believed Indy had forgiven her and wanted the cup as badly as herself. She is completely blinded by her greed and
basically shows her true self in the final scene.

[philhos]

Originally posted by The Stampede
Well the way she probably saw it, their combined efforts were able to get the grail. (Indy leading the way, and Elsa dispatching dumbass Donovan.) I think she genuinely believed Indy had forgiven her and wanted the cup as badly as herself. She is completely blinded by her greed and
basically shows her true self in the final scene.

Nicely put. Once she saw the power of the Grail at work, all thoughts escaped her mind save one: the need to have the Grail and to keep it. She basically went insane because of her lust of the Grail.

[The Stampede]

Yeah, Elsa was truly crazed with greed. Her fire was fueled too as she was hanging for her life. Once she tears her hand free, she sees that her fingertips just need an inch more to reach the cup. Realizing she is SO close, nothing can convince her otherwise to let it go; not Indy's pleads nor the glove slipping from her sweaty hand. Her final words, "I can reach it. I can reach it," are truly fitting to her demise. Overall, it is the perfect way to tie up the loose end of having the femme fatale present at the end.

[MP3]

Originally posted by vaxer
Some women have a very strong power over men...

...And some men have a very strong power over women, as you well know, Canyon. ;) Elsa, after all is said and done, was still attracted to Indy, and somehow felt that he would still forgive her despite all that had happened. Though why she thought Henry Sr. would let her get away with that is beyond me... ;)

[monkey]

Personally I don't think there was enough character development/interplay between Elsa and Indiana Jones in Last Crusade. Such things need to be carefully built up.I think that was one of the film's weaknesses.

So it's not surprising that there are questionable lines
and motivations.

No offense to SS and GL. Just some constructive criticism.

[indyfreak]

She might have had in mind that what happened in Venice between Indy and herself constitued "true love," and further disillusioned herself to believe that, in that case, he owed it to her to be forgiven. I know some girls as crazy as that. Plus, she was a little insane anyway. :p

[Indyologist]

Originally posted by The Stampede
Well the way she probably saw it, their combined efforts were able to get the grail. (Indy leading the way, and Elsa dispatching dumbass Donovan.) I think she genuinely believed Indy had forgiven her and wanted the cup as badly as herself. She is completely blinded by her greed and
basically shows her true self in the final scene.

Very, very good summary. I feel the same way. I think she is so egotistical that she assumes that Indy thinks the same way as herself. Remember what she said to Indy at castle Brunwald-- "Don't look at me like that...YOU would have done the same." Indy's response: "I'm sorry you think so." She assumes that Indy has the same values and morals that Indy does. It's a shame because when they first found the tomb of Sir Richard, she really seemed like a genuine, professional scholar. Possibly even someone that would be a good match for Indy.

Of course at the end she reveals her true self: underneath the "doctor" guise lies a person torn between professionalism and greed, false morality and ("I believe in the Grail, not the Swastika") and supreme betrayal. She is what Henry could have become had he totally succombed to his search for the grail. As Henry himself said, "She thought she found a prize..."

[ElsaFan]

But Elsa was REALLY a art historian. That's why she was employed by Donovan in the first place....

[MP3]

Check out Wolfwood's post (http://www.theraider.net/theraven//showthread.php?threadid=5399&pagenumber=4). It gives a very good insight to what Elsa may have been thinking. ;)

[Kate]

I don't like Elsa, period.

(sorry elsafan, wherever you are..)

[ElsaFan]

I don't want to critizise your opinion, but this is the wrong place to share your appreciation of the character.