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Canyon
01-30-2004, 12:54 PM
Are there any of you out there who like the sound of the original concept of Indiana Jones. By this, I mean the the hard-drinking, womanazing ladies man that he was originally going to be?
Also, do you think that the character of Indy would be as popular as he is now?
I personally do not think that Indy would be as popular as he is if he were too dark.
Ooh, I can see this turning into a very interesting discussion. :D
00Kevin
01-30-2004, 01:05 PM
Well, bond worked, but mabey it would be like a rip-off that way :(
as for dark, I donno, most people seem to go to indy films cause they are fun popcorn movies.
I think when they made raiders, they hit it right on the nose, it was the ultimate mix, I don't think going the bond way, nor the noir way, would have helped
Wow Canyon you have been busy on the old threads!
Hmmmmm a dark Indy, well i think that the best thing about the hero presented in Raiders is his ambiguity he can really be interpretted from anything from a gun for hire, a betrayer of his profession to an unamibious hero fighting evil.
Indygirl21
01-31-2004, 05:26 AM
Hm, I don't think I would like that dark, drinking, womanizing version of Indy. One of the things I love best about the trilogy is its lightheartedness and sense of fun. I think that would have been lost if Indy was darker.
00Kevin
01-31-2004, 07:19 AM
Originally posted by Indygirl21
Hm, I don't think I would like that dark, drinking, womanizing version of Indy. One of the things I love best about the trilogy is its lightheartedness and sense of fun. I think that would have been lost if Indy was darker.
agreed 100%
Joe Brody
01-31-2004, 07:22 AM
I know there a lot of talk around here about a 'darker' Indy -- but I've always thought that the Raiders version struck the proper balance. I'd just like IV to get back to that level -- I don't need to see Indy as he was originally envisioned.
Tom Jones
01-31-2004, 10:49 AM
Just take a peek at the movie Romancing the Stone and take a long look at the main character Jack Colton played by Michael Douglas. That is what Indy was supposed to be like and that's about as dark, hard-drinking and womanizing he'd get.
Personally, I'm glad they did not stick with the original version of Indy - he's much better the way he is now.
Canyon
02-01-2004, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by MP3
Personally, I'm glad they did not stick with the original version of Indy - he's much better the way he is now.
Me too. And personally, I think that Indy would have not been as popular as he is with female audiences, had they not changed the original concept of the character. ;)
monkey
02-01-2004, 08:40 AM
Personally I'm kind of a fan of the "Indy noir" concept.
Of course he's a hero, and a good guy, that goes without saying. But I think he's much more interesting with more depth to his character. And that might include some human weaknesses.
Actually I am currently working on an IJ serial story in which I portray him in a little bit of a "noir" aspect. I hope it will be well received, but I'm not so sure after reading some of these posts.
Canyon
02-01-2004, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by monkey
Actually I am currently working on an IJ serial story in which I portray him in a little bit of a "noir" aspect. I hope it will be well received, but I'm not so sure after reading some of these posts.
Monkey, please don't be put off by my post. I was just trying to find out if people preferred the idea of an 'original' Indy. As it stands, I have read more than once on The Raven that people are interested in a 'film noir' type feel to Indy, be it the new film or a book. :D
You know what it's like sometimes. Canyon's foot occaionally likes to live in her mouth. ;)
monkey
02-02-2004, 12:16 PM
Canyon, I apologize if you may have misunderstood my post. I certainly did not mean to sound harsh like that. I'm truly sorry. I'd never do anything to offend one of the nicest people on this forum.
I completely understand what you are saying, and I understand the sentiments of others about the concept of the character of Indiana Jones.
What I meant was that I hope that my concept of the character as he comes across in my writing doesn't alienate potential readers.
But I've got to agree with RKF. Good points.
I think that while the character is 'good' hearted, he is not necessarily 'Pure'. I think that the impurities are interesting.
Jones is a bit of a 'Rascal' isn't he? And is that really a turn-off for female fans? or is it a bit of a turn-on?
It has always seemed to me that most women go for the 'bad boy' rather than the 'choir boy'.
queenmandy85
02-02-2004, 10:51 PM
Indy is a nice blend of cliffhanger serial hero of the 1930's - 1940's and the sophisticated hero of present day. The former were pure and without equal. The latter are real people with real depth. Jones is part Roy Rodgers and part Harry Lyme.
Good or bad boy is not as important to women as an interesting character.
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queenmandy85
02-02-2004, 10:57 PM
Thank you. This seems to be a nice place to be.
You had better believe it is - 'specially for Indy fans. ;)
monkey
02-03-2004, 07:23 AM
I can't wait to see humans land on Mars!! I am very excited about the rejuvenation of the space program, and I am very excited about Spirit and Opportunity.
Sorry for the OT but we really DO need a miscellaneous table here.
OK, back to Indiana Jones. Queen Mandy, (I'm assuming you're a woman) I was interested in your comment about the fact that women want an interesting character, but it doesn't have to be a 'bad boy'.
But doesn't he have to be less than perfect to be interesting to begin with? Of course Jones is not 'bad' in the 'good/evil' sense, but he's certainly no choirboy. He's not Superman, he's not that little house on the prairie guy, he's not....well you get the idea.
When he uses his whip to pull Willie Scott over to him, he's probably got more on his mind than just saying hello.
When he steals the golden idol from the South American tomb he's, well....stealing it isn't he?
The dialogue between Jones and Marion at the beginning of Raiders is very suggestive.
Clark Kent didn't say those kind of things to Lois Lane (at least not in the old fifties series.)
Indiana Jones is not a goody two-shoes. If he were, he'd be boring. If they try to make him one, it will be boring.
And I don't think IJ is a character that has to be aimed at an adolescent audience, which is what they tried to do with the IJ novels.
fatima
02-08-2004, 05:47 AM
For me the concept of Indiana J. is a Professor, who likes to find old crafts at his spare time, happens to be a regular humain being who drunks when things don't happen well as he wished and loves to seduce the ladies, spreading his charm over them...basically that's it, did I miss something? :rolleyes:
Canyon
02-08-2004, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by monkey
Canyon, I apologize if you may have misunderstood my post. I certainly did not mean to sound harsh like that. I'm truly sorry. I'd never do anything to offend one of the nicest people on this forum.
I completely understand what you are saying, and I understand the sentiments of others about the concept of the character of Indiana Jones.
What I meant was that I hope that my concept of the character as he comes across in my writing doesn't alienate potential readers.
But I've got to agree with RKF. Good points.
I think that while the character is 'good' hearted, he is not necessarily 'Pure'. I think that the impurities are interesting.
Jones is a bit of a 'Rascal' isn't he? And is that really a turn-off for female fans? or is it a bit of a turn-on?
It has always seemed to me that most women go for the 'bad boy' rather than the 'choir boy'.
Monkey, has anyone ever told you that you're a very sweet man? :o BTW, don't worry about your post. You certainly didn't offend.
I think that if Indy was more like he was going to be when Raiders was thought of, I don't think that the character would have appealed much to female audiences, because I think that for women, having a man who is almost aware that he's good looking and feels that he can have any woman is a big turn off.
Why I think that Indy is such a hit with the ladies is because he almost has this modest, self-depracating personality.
Take for instance that scene in Raiders in the classroom where one of his female students flashes her 'LOVE YOU' eyes at Indy. Indy's reaction is almost 'Who me?'
Believe me, I want Indy to be a 'good' guy, but I also want him to be someone who can really sweep a girl off of her feet.
As it is I think that Indy is popular with the ladies because he doesn't take himself too seriously and possibly doesn't consider himself to be handsome, but us girls know better. ;)
monkey
02-08-2004, 07:45 AM
Excellent points Canyon. I agree with you that Indiana Jones should absolutely not be vain or narcisistic (better check the spelling on that one).
You hit it on the head with your examples.
I really like to get the female opinions about the character of IJ because I feel that besides the Action, Adventure, Archaeology, Intrigue.....etc. there is also a fair degree of Romance to Indiana Jones. It's an ingredient that can't be left out.
Canyon
02-08-2004, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by monkey
Excellent points Canyon. I agree with you that Indiana Jones should absolutely not be vain or narcisistic (better check the spelling on that one).
You hit it on the head with your examples.
I really like to get the female opinions about the character of IJ because I feel that besides the Action, Adventure, Archaeology, Intrigue.....etc. there is also a fair degree of Romance to Indiana Jones. It's an ingredient that can't be left out.
Indeed. I feel that romance is a big part of the world of Indy and indeed Indy's life.
Keep an eye out for an article thats going to be on TIE regarding Indy's relationship with women. ;)
intergamer
02-08-2004, 09:01 AM
I sincerely hope that all of you know how much GWB's plan is BS that he hopes will win over votes from idiots who know nothing about science.
Originally posted by intergamer
I sincerely hope that all of you know how much GWB's plan is BS that he hopes will win over votes from idiots who know nothing about science.
intergamer, would you please stop trolling? This is getting quite annoying...
intergamer
02-08-2004, 12:55 PM
One man's terrorist is another man freedom fighter. All I have to say.
Originally posted by intergamer
One man's terrorist is another man freedom fighter. All I have to say.
Do you have to say it in here? You are deliberately talking about off-topic matters for no constructive reason; your only purpose right now is to annoy people. Therefore, please stop.
monkey
02-09-2004, 07:43 AM
Being an idiot, I like to follow the space program, my apologies.
NO terrorist is a "freedom fighter". By definition they are murdering cowards. The very first time you blow up kids on a school bus you need to turn in your 'freedom fighter' ID card immediately.
Apologies to forum members for my OT.
Let's wait for the Miscellaneous table OK?
Pale Horse
02-09-2004, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Canyon
Are there any of you out there who like the sound of the original concept of Indiana Jones. By this, I mean the the hard-drinking, womanazing ladies man that he was originally going to be?
Also, do you think that the character of Indy would be as popular as he is now?
I personally do not think that Indy would be as popular as he is if he were too dark.
Ooh, I can see this turning into a very interesting discussion. :D
:rolleyes: Bet you didn't expect this, did ya Canyon.
I really did like the Original Concept. I think Ford played it down (for whatever the reason). If IJ4 is still in the works, maybe he can be that bitter man, at the end of his rope.
I second that, Ren. The quality of intergamer's posts has dropped dramatically as of late. OK, I know my post quality may also have deteriorated last night, but that was just me acting immature 'cuz I was overtired, being it was 2:00 AM. Intergamer, on the other hand, is becoming more of a "troll" recently...
Pale Horse
02-09-2004, 12:38 PM
:rolleyes:
I tried Canyon.
Canyon
02-09-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by apalehorse
:rolleyes:
I tried Canyon.
I'm sorry. I'm not sure I quite follow. :confused:
Pale Horse
02-09-2004, 03:00 PM
The thread got away with much OT, so I quoted your first post with some thoughts of my own on it, to stem the tide. But the OT-ers kept on going.
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