I've figured it out!!!!!!!!

[This Raider]

Hi

This has been a debate going on for years. Indy and His dad both drank from the Holy Grail. People have argued whetehe they were still immortal upon leaving of the temple. I've finally figured it out!
Remember, the Grail Knight said basically not to pass the SEAL. The SEAL was the price. Well, technically, when Indy&Co left the temple, there was no seal, it had been broken up and the ground had already been seperated by Elsa, thus leaving no seal to cross. Plus, this is a lesser and probably wrong argument but if the grail's affects had worn off, Henry would have die of his gunshot wound. So, in conclusion, Indiana Jones, and Henry Jones Sr. have immortality!

[Ayrun]

Hi This Raider,

I have to disagree with you…
Just 'cause the seal was destroyed, doesn't mean that wen they walk out of the temple; they're immortal.
And why would the grail's affects have worn off?

Yes; I'm one of those people that believe Indy and his father are NOT immortal.
If they were; Indy 4 would't be much fun… would it?

[Finn]

http://www.theraider.net/theraven/search.php?query=immortal&forumchoice=-1&booleanand=yes&searchin=subject&searchdate=-1&searchuser=&searchdateline=&exactname=yes&action=dosearch&getdaily=&pagenum=

What if you start by reading this stuff and then come back with your opinions. ;)

[Renderking Fisk]

I figured out that if I keep the kitchen clean... I have a happier wife.

I also figured out that if I cut down on coffee in the morning and Scotch at night, I'm less willing to tear newbies to shreds.

Finally, I figured out that if I replace the Insoles of my boots, I won't offend my famly with that stench.

[Doc Savage]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk

Finally, I figured out that if I replace the Insoles of my boots, I won't offend my famly with that stench.

And, Boy Howdy, are we glad! ;)

[Tennessee R]

When the water was poured into the wound, the wound went away. So, when they passed the seal, there was no wound. No, Indy is not immortal.
Although, years from now, people will still be talking about him.

[indyflys_solo]

Not to be Johnny Rain Cloud here, but you're wrong. Elsa took the Grail past the Great Seal, so Indy and his father lost immortality. It has nothing to do with the Seal being destroyed (And how do you know it really was? Hmmm?); or else how do you explain a 58-year-old Indy in KOTCS? That you may be immortal, you just get really old and withered but you never die? Like you look like Donovan in his last moments FOREVER?!?
:dead: That's depressing. Who would want to be immortal if that was the case?
And I don't think this was the intent, because Donovan clearly says "I'm going to be drinking my own health..." which probably meant "I'm going to get younger and healthier and more handsome every day. Hooray for eternal life!"
Also: Henry Jones Sr. would not die of his gunshot wound, seeing as it was already healed inside the temple. Not like it would just magically reappear after they left the temple.

[No Ticket]

It has nothing to do with losing their immortality when crossing the seal. It has to do with the fact that the GRAIL ITSELF cannot pass the seal. The PRICE of immortality is to stay in the temple and continue to drink from the grail. One sip, I believe, does not grant one eternal life forever... but rather you must continue to drink from it. It's immediate affects are probably stuff like increasing one's youthfulness and longevity and immediately curing/healing all diseases/wounds, etc.

That's how I've always understood it.

[Cagefighterkip]

after seeing how he's clearly aged since TLC to TKOTCS... i gotta say he IS NOT AT ALL IMMORTAL.

[Finn]

Folks, after four years... no one can hear you scream.

Of course, to us who value nostalgia seeing old threads come up is nice, but I still figure that arguing with a person who's made his statement such a long time ago and appears to be long gone seems like a lost cause.

[rowerguy7]

Taken from the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Script.

KNIGHT
You have chosen wisely. But the
Grail cannot pass beyond the
Great Seal. That is the boundary
and the price of immortality.

He's not immortal. Elsa stepped past the great seal, which instantly took away Indy and his father's immortality. Then there was the earthquake and the grail was lost forever.

Solved. Thread Closed.

[rowerguy7]

wow that really worked.

[Kooshmeister]

I think it's only the Grail itself that can't pass beyond the seal. You can drink from it, then leave, without having the effects revoked upon passing the boundary. Otherwise, upon leaving, Henry, Snr. would've died, because by passing the seal, the healing effect of the Grail would've gone away.

To my way of thinking, what the Knight meant was that one drink won't give you eternal life. Lots of clues point to the fact that all drinking from the Grail does is provide longevity and/or stave off the effects of death. The only way to be immortal is to drink from it on a regular basis, say, once a month, or maybe just a few times a year, but since the Grail cannot leave the temple, the only way to drink from it constantly would be to remain there with it. Thus, that is the price of immortality the Knight was talking about.

One way to do this without taking the Grail from the temple, and without living there, as the Knight did, would be to kill the Knight, drink from the Grail, leave it there, and then come back to it via yearly trips or whenever you need it. It'd be expensive, but worth it, and a guy like Donovan would've been able to accomplish this with his seemingly limitless wealth and resources.

[ResidentAlien]

I think it's only the Grail itself that can't pass beyond the seal. You can drink from it, then leave, without having the effects revoked upon passing the boundary. Otherwise, upon leaving, Henry, Snr. would've died, because by passing the seal, the healing effect of the Grail would've gone away.

To my way of thinking, what the Knight meant was that one drink won't give you eternal life. Lots of clues point to the fact that all drinking from the Grail does is provide longevity and/or stave off the effects of death. The only way to be immortal is to drink from it on a regular basis, say, once a month, or maybe just a few times a year, but since the Grail cannot leave the temple, the only way to drink from it constantly would be to remain there with it. Thus, that is the price of immortality the Knight was talking about.

One way to do this without taking the Grail from the temple, and without living there, as the Knight did, would be to kill the Knight, drink from the Grail, leave it there, and then come back to it via yearly trips or whenever you need it. It'd be expensive, but worth it, and a guy like Donovan would've been able to accomplish this with his seemingly limitless wealth and resources.


Oy, will we ever hear the last of this stupid argument?

The other brother returned and later died of "EXTREME OLD AGE."


If you don't drink, you die naturally just like everyone else. The thing wouldn't have reversed itself because they crossed the damn seal; it just wears off. No one said anything about reversal.





Ugh. This is so tiring an argument. It's simple, people. The seal is the price of immortality. The brother died of old age after passing the seal. Simple, get it? He didn't drop dead one step later, he died in time, after the aging caught up to him.

Not hard to comprehend, folks.

[Deckard]

Oy, will we ever hear the last of this stupid argument?

The other brother returned and later died of "EXTREME OLD AGE."


If you don't drink, you die naturally just like everyone else. The thing wouldn't have reversed itself because they crossed the damn seal; it just wears off. No one said anything about reversal.





Ugh. This is so tiring an argument. It's simple, people. The seal is the price of immortality. The brother died of old age after passing the seal. Simple, get it? He didn't drop dead one step later, he died in time, after the aging caught up to him.

Not hard to comprehend, folks.

Yes indeed. I imagine there will be a ton of people on opening day who think Indy will be immortal to bullets and punches...sigh

[metalinvader]

Oy, will we ever hear the last of this stupid argument?

The other brother returned and later died of "EXTREME OLD AGE."


If you don't drink, you die naturally just like everyone else. The thing wouldn't have reversed itself because they crossed the damn seal; it just wears off. No one said anything about reversal.





Ugh. This is so tiring an argument. It's simple, people. The seal is the price of immortality. The brother died of old age after passing the seal. Simple, get it? He didn't drop dead one step later, he died in time, after the aging caught up to him.

Not hard to comprehend, folks.


Well said.Another little tid bit you may have forgotten to mention was in the novel,It states that you have to keep on drinking from the grail to sustain immortality.Kinda hard to believe that after 19 years this question is still getting asked.

[roundshort]

I look at it like this,

Gatorade has a new line of drinks formulated for Tiger Woods, the greatest golfer ever. Now I am a horrible golfer, and am not getting better. I drink a ton of Gatorade Tiger, and I am sure that when I golf I will be better, maybe not Tiger good, but at least VJ good.

So, If the Cup can give ever lasting life, but you cross the seal you might not live forever, but you will live longer (if you drink wine everyday, cut out smoking, fried or fatty foods, watch your sodium, work out, see a doctor . . .)


FORE!

[Kooshmeister]

If you don't drink, you die naturally just like everyone else. The thing wouldn't have reversed itself because they crossed the damn seal; it just wears off.

Um....that's what I said. That the only way to enjoy the benefits of the Grail in the long term is to drink from it regularly, and that the effects of drinking it will eventually wear off whether you cross the seal or not unless you drink again.

[Deckard]

My question is what if Elsa just trucked it out of there, would that crack have followed her until it got the grail back? What if she ran outside really quick and jumped on a plane, would the crack just keep circling the earth after her, splitting the planet in 2?

[The_Raiders]

My question is what if Elsa just trucked it out of there, would that crack have followed her until it got the grail back? What if she ran outside really quick and jumped on a plane, would the crack just keep circling the earth after her, splitting the planet in 2?


Yeah, I wondered the same thing, mabe since the knight said it can't go past the seal, ambe it would just become a worthless old cup. :rolleyes:

[Niteshade007]

My question is what if Elsa just trucked it out of there, would that crack have followed her until it got the grail back? What if she ran outside really quick and jumped on a plane, would the crack just keep circling the earth after her, splitting the planet in 2?

I've wondered about that too. I thought maybe if everybody just ran like hell would anything happen?

But yeah, I've really grown to hate this question. One of my friends actually asked this the other day and I wanted to scream. This was shortly after we watched the movie, mind you.