Atlantis?

[Pale Horse]

Here is an interesting link, for all to discuss at length, hopefully.

By Paul Rincon
BBC News Online science staff

The imagery may show the former locations of major buildings and rings

A scientist says he may have found remains of the lost city of Atlantis.
Satellite photos of southern Spain reveal features on the ground appearing to match descriptions made by Greek scholar Plato of the fabled utopia.

Dr Rainer Kuehne thinks the "island" of Atlantis simply referred to a region of the southern Spanish coast destroyed by a flood between 800 BC and 500 BC.

The research has been reported as an ongoing project in the online edition of the journal Antiquity...MORE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3766863.stm)

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<a href="http://science.slashdot.org/science/04/06/07/1013229.shtml?tid=134&tid=99">Slashdot</a> says: <i>
The BBC is reporting that recent satellite pictures may show the location of the fabled city of Atlantis, as described by Plato. It is in Southern Spain, though, and not on an island as is commonly believed. Here's an image of the concentric rings over the alleged area. This story has gotten a lot of submissions; it's worth noting that it's also shown up off Cyprus, or near Cuba, or is Crete, or... It is worth noting that that Ubar was found this way.</i>

[LASTCRUSADER]

While I don't know a whole lot about Atlantis I find it extremely interesting when I read these types of articles. I have started to read more on this subject and have found that there is quite a bit of material out there. I think its going to be pretty hard for anyone to prove without a doubt that they have found Atlantis.

[Indy_Jones88]

i also dont know very much about the lost city of Atlantis. But i find it fascinating. i dont know years and stuff but here is a theory. like i said i dont know any years but maybe this is something nobody ever thought about.

What if the city of atlantis was flooded by the great flood. The Genesis Deluge. I have no idea but if someone could post why or why not this theory is good that would help me a lot.

[Gregoire Defence]

I totally knew it dude! ya mon
Atlanitis is totally true. Like this gnarly psychic lady dude, totally told me man. Like I was like this super scribe man. I mean like in a past life, but totaly freaking awesome man. Like I lived in Atlantis, and like knew the king man. I was like this scribe dude, and I totaly seen it in my dreams man. Totally freaking awesome dude

Party on man
I bet Altlantians totally knew how to party man

[Finn]

<i>"...This, my friends... is Atlantis. Glorius, prosperous, civilized and technologically advanced... as it may have appeared on its heyday."</i>

This is so common legend that actually nearly 60% of people on this Earth believe its true. (For tabs, only 15% believe that the Holy Bible is all based on fact.) So at least it exists in people's minds, if not everywhere else... though every <i>true</i> Indyfan knows that this place does exist. <small>FoA! FoA! FoA!</small>

And Greg... what have you been inhaling lately? :p

[Gregoire Defence]

Dude, I think I inhaled the spirit of some Atlantian dude man. I totaly felt the energy. Like when the moon and the sun combine and like love pours out. Totally man, and then you like feel the conection with the Earth and the earth energies. You know what I mean man? You totally feel it man, like in your throat and like your heart or something dude. That's what Atlantis is all about.

I totally felt it man
totally

[Junior Jones]

For what its worth, Disney's Atlantis: The Lost Empire came out three years ago today.

That was a movie with a lot of potential. Too bad they couldn't bring it all together. (I've read that studio execs got in the way of the creative people and really watered down the story.)

[Pale Horse]

Ok, here is something for you all. Was Atlantis destroyed in the flood?

Plato lived in about 400 bc.
Noah lived in about 1050 b.c.

Are the two connected or not?

Discuss as follows:------------------------->

[Papa Indy]

Amazed to discover that i´m living just 20 miles from Hinojos in the South of my beloved Spain!!! Next weekend i was thinking of celebrate my 39 years old (next June 12, yes, I know, the same day Raiders was first released...) with my beautiful wife Isabel and my four kids... But now i´ll make a complete exploration of the site as reported in the BBC news...
Only to add that I´m History professor near to Seville and Cadiz, with some archaeology experience but have to admit that news about Lost Atlantis here... Sounds very odd -so to say!
Anyway, as my four children -John (11), Martha (10) Alex (6) and Dawn (2 and a half)- are devoted Indy fans, I hope to discover ANYTHING about Atlantis this weekend!
I promise to inform about my findings!!!
Stay tuned!
Papa Indy

[Indy_Jones88]

pale horse, like i said i dont know years or anything. i was just throwing an idea out for conversation. I didnt mean to make any1 mad if i did, im srry.

[Urmel]

This Topic is quite interesting for me. A few month ago i saw a documentation about atlantis on bbc. In my opinion there will never be a proof for the existence of atlantis that can be scientifically corroborated. It is a mythos like the holy grail, but even when i do not believe in this legend i am totally fascinated to hear about it.

[bob]

*Sigh*, it is a shame that the search for Atlantis consumes so much interpretation of archaeology....

Remember the ONLY evidence of Atlantis is from Platos story which he used as a moral lesson of a people who abandoned the Gods - it was probably mostly ficticious with memories of cities that fell into the sea or were destroyed (such as that one in Italy or Thera)

I think that Atlantis is just a giant red herring really which detracts from real archaeology.

[Pale Horse]

Originally posted by Indy_Jones88
pale horse, like i said i dont know years or anything. i was just throwing an idea out for conversation. I didnt mean to make any1 mad if i did, im srry.

:D it's: "If I have offended you, then I am sorry."

and you haven't Jr., so worry less, "you listen to me, you live longer."
:)

[Indy_Jones88]

Originally posted by Pale Horse
:D it's: "If I have offended you, then I am sorry."

and you haven't Jr., so worry less, "you listen to me, you live longer."
:)

"Okie Dokie Dr. Jones"

[Katarn07]

Interesting....

And Pale Horse was just disproving your suggestion; no one's offended ;)

[Pale Horse]

Originally posted by bob
*Sigh*, it is a shame that the search for Atlantis consumes so much interpretation of archaeology....

Remember the ONLY evidence of Atlantis is from Platos story which he used as a moral lesson of a people who abandoned the Gods - it was probably mostly ficticious with memories of cities that fell into the sea or were destroyed (such as that one in Italy or Thera)

I think that Atlantis is just a giant red herring really which detracts from real archaeology.

I give no credit to the Atlantis story, other than the points you so eloquently point out. But it makes a good McGuffin, in almost any case.

[Tennessee R]

I know Plato talks about Atlantis.
What does Plato say about Atlantis?
Does he say he saw it?
Also, Indy Jones 88, that was a good question about the flood.

[Junior Jones]

Plato never claimed to have seen Atlantis. It sank many years before he lived. His source was someone else who had seen it and described it.

[Tennessee R]

So, that could mean that the flood of Noah's time (Say in 1050) caused the disaster of Atlantis, then a bit later, (In say 400), Plato talks about it.
Right?

By the way, I don't know if you have Private Messages active, Indy Jones 88, but I sent you one earlier.

Tennessee

[Redwall]

"You want to know where Atlantis is? You're standing on it!"

IMO, Atlantis is just a great story, but that doesn't detract from it all. It can stand on its own without all the hokey truth stuff.

I think a summary of Plato's original works on Atlantis would be good here, but I don't know enough about them to explain myself.

[Junior Jones]

Tying together the stories of Atlantis and Noah's Ark is an interesting idea. I'm surprised no one's thought of it before. Or maybe they have and I just never heard of if.

[Indy_Jones88]

Originally posted by Tennessee R
So, that could mean that the flood of Noah's time (Say in 1050) caused the disaster of Atlantis, then a bit later, (In say 400), Plato talks about it.
Right?

By the way, I don't know if you have Private Messages active, Indy Jones 88, but I sent you one earlier.

Tennessee

I received both messages you sent me and i sent you messages back. But it says you have not opened the messages and read them. Just letting you know so you could look at them.

Thx.
Indy_Jones88

[Strider]

There was a guy back in the 30's or something that was an excellent future predictor mystic person. He predicted the start and end of WW2 and got it right. He said Atlantis would rise again someday soon.

[Pale Horse]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
Hey... with this news about finding Atlantis, are they going to start giving tours soon? ;)

Yes, but you have to bring your own moral compass to find it.... :D

[OldawanKenobi]

The tale of Atlantis appeared in two of Plato's dialogues'Timaeus',and 'Critias',written between 359 and 347BC.In these dialogues,Socrates had instructed his pupils to engage the city of Athens in a fictitious war,in order to see how that 'perfect society' would perform against a superior enemy..

Athens was pitted against a tecnologically superior,but morally bankrupt society called 'Atlantis',which the Athenians defeated.The story was used as a teaching device,to warn his students against avarice and pride.

In one of the dialogues,Plato states that Atlantis was destroyed some 9,000 years before his time,so that would eliminate the Genesis Flood as the culprit.

One reason why this story has endured for so long is because of one Ignatius Donnelly,a Minnesota Congressman,who is the father of modern Atlantis lore,and the joke is that he never met a claim about Atlantis that he did not like...and readily accept.All that stuff about the Atlanteans having rocket ships...you can thank Donnelly for that.He believed that Atlantis was the source of the world's population and culture and offered little more than misconstrued facts as proof.

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Here's a new theory - the article's from Yahoo! News. It's a good read, at any rate:



Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Atlantis, the legendary island nation over whose existence controversy has raged for thousands of years, was actually Ireland, according to a new theory by a Swedish scientist.

Atlantis, the Greek philosopher Plato wrote in 360 BC, was an island in the Atlantic Ocean where an advanced civilization developed some 11,500 years ago until it was hit by a cataclysmic natural disaster and sank beneath the waves.

Geographer Ulf Erlingsson, whose book explaining his theory will be published next month, says the measurements, geography, and landscape of Atlantis as described by Plato match Ireland almost exactly.

"I am amazed no one has come up with this before, it's incredible," he told Reuters.

"Just like Atlantis, Ireland is 300 miles long, 200 miles wide, and widest across the middle. They both have a central plain surrounded by mountains.

"I've looked at geographical data from the rest of the world and of the 50 largest islands there is only one that has a plain in the middle -- Ireland."

Erlingsson believes the idea that Atlantis sank came from the fate of Dogger Bank, an isolated shoal in the North Sea, about 60 miles off the northeastern coast of England, which sank after being hit by a huge floodwave around 6,100 BC.

"I suspect that myth came from Ireland and it derives from Dogger Bank. I think the memory of Dogger Bank was probably preserved in Ireland for around 3,000 years and became mixed up with the story of Atlantis," he said.

Erlingsson links the boundaries of the Atlantic Empire, as outlined by Plato, with the geographic distribution of megalithic monuments in Europe and Northern Africa, matching Atlantis' temples with well-known burial sites at Newgrange and Knowth, north of Dublin, which pre-date the pyramids.

His book, "Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land," calculates the probability Plato would have had access to geographical data about Ireland as 99.98 percent.

Previous theories about Atlantis have suggested it may have been around the Azores islands 900 miles west of the Portuguese coast, or in the Aegean sea. Others locate it solely in the long-decayed brain of Plato.

[Johan]

I don't know if I like that theory

[maquino]

Lots of Atlantis books, websites, theories out there ...

One of the most recent, methodical, and interesting (to me) is the book Atlantis of the West by Paul Dunbavin. New York: Carroll & Graf, 2003. The 2003 revised edition is available in oversized paperback for US$14, probably a bit less on Amazon.

Most of this book is a detailed discussion of when and how such a catastrophic event (sufficient to suddenly raise sea levels) could have occurred. The mechanics of this, together with a search through multicultural histories for evidence of same at a time suitable for Atlantis, constitute most of this book.

It is only later in the text that PD gets around to his theory that a pre-catastrophic neolithic Britain might have been Atlantis. Because of the shelf areas around Britain and Ireland, including within the Irish Sea between them, a slight lowering of the sea level creates a single island with much the same features as Plato described.

Well, says the reader, so where are the ruins, the fancy city, etc.? Possibly below in the Irish Sea, as PD recounts sonographs suggesting that unusual structures may be down there, but apparently the area is off-limits due to UK national security policies.

Anyway, a very interesting read and a surprisingly good case made. I was originally a bit skeptical, because everyone would like the prestige of Atlantis in his backyard. But PD's discussion seems a pretty good one.

Michael Aquino

[Redwall]

"Lost Island of Atlantis - Long Island?"
"Atlantis found in Hawaii?"
"The Lost Continent - Indonesia?"

Just wait... in a few years...

[Finn]

When Atlantis sank, the survivors became Finns. It's obvious. Look at the level of technology of this country, then check the Finns' general nature: it's out of this world. And there is still not one-hundred percent certain theory of the origin of this people. Draw the conclusions.

Besides, it would be a perfect cover since no one believed it.