Fedora

[007]

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[Indy1936]

I would have to agree with Fisk on this one. I own an Akubra Federation myself and I must say it is the best fedora I've owned yet, in my short existence.

[Molorom]

Just listen to Renderking,
And by a akubra. Any akubra hat.
Adam

[VP]

Akubra isn't hard to bash. You can find a good tutorial from http://www.whyaxis.net/indy/hatshaping/hatshaping.html

[QueZTone]

Rendering Fisk, at the hatsdirect site I saw there are two Federations. Is the different purely the quality of felt?

[VP]

The Akubra Federation Deluxe has better felt and better contrast. The felt is lighter brown than on the regular.

[QueZTone]

is it worth the price difference, you think?

[007]

Originally posted by VP
Akubra isn't hard to bash. You can find a good tutorial from http://www.whyaxis.net/indy/hatshaping/hatshaping.html

It looks great, but it looks like a very daunting task... something that I could not handle, although the finished product looks simply fantastic.

[Indy's_main_man]

I never realized you had to bash your own hat...seems difficult

[Indy's_main_man]

so lemme get this straight...the hat is bendable...yet it stays in lace when we make it like Indy's?

[VP]

The hat is bendable when you wet it. Many people do it with steam, but you can put it under running water and completely wet it before bashing. You can also use a spray bottle.

Dry-bashing works sometimes.

[Indy's_main_man]

My little brother baught a cheap disney hat and was sad when it was ruined by the rain. Now he has another reason to be jealous of me...mine won't get ruined.

[VP]

He should have bought the fur-felt version.

[Indy's_main_man]

I know everyone here praises their akubras...so i need to know if the delux is worth it. 100 dollars seems a lot for a hat to me. But I guess to you people who have aldens it's nothing...because those are some expensive shoes.

[VP]

You could also get an Optimo. They are $400 each. :p

If you want the Deluxe, but can wait, you could also consider Lee Keppler's fedora. http://www.adventure-supply.com/fedora.htm

[IndyMcFly]

But Lee Keppler's fedora is $140, and right now the current wait time is like... 9 months. I had been really considering getting a Keppler, but I've decided to get an Akubra Federation Regular.

In Christ,
Shane

[007]

Hey... Thanx for the link to the Lee Keppler hats! Does it come already bashed? $40 extra for a great looking hat is worth it to me.

[IndyMcFly]

Yes it comes already bashed, according to your requirements. The hat looks a little different in every scene. I believe you tell Mr. Keppler which scene you'd like the bash to match, and then you'll get it like that. But like I said, the wait time right now is over 9 months, so be patient, and I'm sure you'll be pleased.

In Christ,
Shane

[QueZTone]

Can the Federation Standard withstand rain and snow?

or can only the Federation Deluxe really withstand heavy rain?

[Indy's_main_man]

I don't even have on yet but I can predict everyone will say yes

[IndyMcFly]

Yes. The Akubras are the Terminators of fedoras... I don't want to sound mean at all, but were you even listening to Renderking? I feel bad for the guy, he comes here and talks about how great the Akubra is, and gets asked questions where the answers have already been said... I'm not mentioning any names, and again, don't want to sound mean, or offend, but please, re-read what's been said before you ask questions, or we'll have to start an FAQ section about Akubras!

God bless, and have a great, God-filled week, ;)
Shane

[QueZTone]

well Fisk loves talking about the Akubra you know :) Just giving him some excuses to talk about it more! :D


Okay so they're both indestructable but the Deluxe is even a little stronger?

[Indy's_main_man]

My understanding is the delux has a beter type of felt or something

[Indy's_main_man]

Well I think i'll hold off until my head is done growing :)

[QueZTone]

I appreciate your stories Fisk, thank you for letting us know about the Akubra :)

I think I'm going to get a wested first...then the Akubra. I think I'll feel more comfortable wearing the Akubra when wearing the jacket...dunno just fits the picture better I guess...

but first I need a new pc! :)

[Skippy]

Hi, new here & my first post, although I'm an old hand at movie prop replica boards :)

Would anyone care to comment on the Herbert Johnson Fedoras? I'm most interested to hear any opinions.

Being in London I know their shop quite well, especially as they do work on my police flat caps.

Cheers......Skippy

[007]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
Like McFly notes, Lee's got some lead-time problems. If you're too lazy to bash you're own lid, I can imagine you're too lazy to wait half a year or more for a new lid in the first place.

End your suffering and get an Akubra.

If this was aimed at me..... I feel like I need to say that I have no confidence in bashing a hat whatsoever, let alone cutting it and sanding the sides and what not as described in that tutorial to get the Akubra to match Indy's hat. I would, in all honesty, prolly screw it up and there goes a $100 down the crapper. For an extra $40 I can get one that looks perfect and not worry about ruining the hat. So, I think I can wait for it to arrive.......

[Skippy]

Thanks for the welcome Fisk :D

Well I'm planning on getting round to checking out the HJ Fedoras after my summer holiday (much needed!) :p

How old is the info about the HJ Fedora quality going down hill?

Certainly HJ don't do the original style of hat that they provided for the films, but HJ got taken over by by a company called 'Swaine, Adeney, Brigg' who are a glove & whip manufacturer (they made the mini-whip for the young Indy in LC) sometime in the last 10 years & are now a subsidary department of SAB.
Like I say, that was in the last 10 years & I don't know of any recent changes to the company.

BTW what is "COW"? :)

Cheers......Skippy

[Doc Savage]

To all concerned, the Federation is all Ren claims and then some. The bashing is easy, and the stiffener is forgiving. I steamed the dickens out of mine to get the brim right, and each time I screwed up it rolled flat and reshaped with the greatest of ease. A thing of beauty is an Akubra Fed...get one.

[Tennessee R]

Originally posted by Skippy

BTW what is "COW"? :)

Club Obi Wan

http://www.indygear.com/forum/

:)

[VP]

Originally posted by Doc Savage
A thing of beauty is an Akubra Fed...get one.

No, get two..... or three... or four....

[LASTCRUSADER]

Does anyone know if Hatsdirect takes cheques through paypal? I tried linking to the paypal help section to find out since I don't have a credit card but the link doesn't seem to work. I'm hoping to pick up the Akubra Federation.

[Sir_Winston]

I was wondering what is about an average or good price for a fedora... on the whole.

[gladhatter]

There are many notions of what makes a good hat. While many seem to prefer the best hat Ren has owned in 20 years, others that have made great hats for 30 years have differing opinions. When you talk about how much stiffener is in a hat then to a professional hatter, the hat is either a western hat or an inferior hat that is stiffened to make it workable for a novice hat wearer. Nothing inferior about any hat that the buyer or wearer of the same hat likes but if you are talking a good hat you are talking a butter soft hat that has little stiffener at all in the crown and just a touch in the brim. If you are talking a great hat then you are talking a sterling beaver hat. While we produce high dollar high end hats and make them available to the public at large in all countries in the world, our good friend Steve Delk is opening his own hat shop and is advertising quality hats at prices far less than ours.

While we have no qualms about any brand of hat, I think fairness should allow us to say that what many IJ fans have grown to know as a good hat is what many hatters would not sell for any price nor would they have them to give away. Again that is not to say if the hat fits ( your needs do not wear it) but it is to say there are hats and then there are good hats. When I read that 100.00 is a high price for a hat I have to wonder what is this based on when houses cost 150,000- 1 million and more an cars 20,000.00 and more or 50 gallons of gas is 100 dollars and will last for a couple weeks and yet a hat of quality will last several generations.

Our hats come with a life time guarantee and yet will last many generations after the wearer is gone.

We pay more than 100 dollars for our least expensive fur felt body that a hat is made from. From there we add another 25.00 of component parts and then will spend 10 days making the hat.

This is a custom hand made hat. If you are wondering why Mr Keppler is 9 months waiting it may be because he too is a professional hatter. All the hatters I know of in the USA that do any Western hats as their main stay are at least 6 weeks to 6 months in a rears. We regularly stay 3- 6 weeks behind our selves. There is a huge difference in a hat that is preblocked and full of stiffener and a hat that is custom made to fit your exact head shape and size and not any one else's.

I hope this may answer some of the concerns about hats and differences and not stir up a bundle of problems .

[VP]

Welcome back, gladhatter.

<small>Please Ren, don't start again.</small>

[gladhatter]

Thank You for the Welcome VP. Along with your request for civility.

Assuming that Sir_Winston will be reading this as well I wanted to address his concerns:

I was wondering what is about an average or good price for a fedora... on the whole.

I think the fairness or goodness of price depends greatly on the need or want and type of hat that fills that desire of yours.

I understand that hats direct offers their mule tough hats for around 100-125.00 USD and that is certainly a good price for a hat. how ever you ask about a good price for a Fedora. While an IJ hat certainly is in the Fedora category as is most any hat now a days due to the lose definition of a Fedora that was established 100's of years ago and has evolved as so many things.

I think if you are seeking a very good Fedora that is commercially produced then you may expect to pay from about 150- 250.00 for it. If you are seeking a custom creation that is specific to your every need and desire and is built to fit a mold that is made in advance of the hat that is a replica of your exact head shape and you want the materials in the hat to be of a superior grade to what you will find in any commercially produced hat and meet the rigorous specification of even the US Military, then you can still find this type of hat in shame shops for around the 200.00 dollar mark. I know we offer hats like this with a life time guarantee attached to them. On the other hand if you are looking for the ultimate hat in a sterling beaver made from the very select belly hair from the beaver that is converted to fur felt then you will usually pay 500-1000 or more dollars for such a hat with full amenities and all the customer care that will go into it.

My suggestion is that people with less needs get a less hat and people with a refined learning of superlative hats that also have budget to support their desires may seek to commission such bespoke creations that are specific to them and learn to lavish in the pampering you may well learn to love.

We have supplied both the inexpensive wool and fur felt official Indiana Jones hats on up to what folks that never watched the move call an IJ hat right on up to hats that fans of 14 years experience of seeking the perfect hat,have actually discontinued their search from and began to live the rest of their lives as they fell we have produced the hat they always sought.

What is a fair or good price? Well for one fan I know it was 13 years of searching and 1 year of anticipation and he would swear that it could not be counted in money. For us as professional hatters our fairness is counted at about 5 dollars an hour if you count he minutes we put into every hat we create.

Some things in life are not counted in coins but counted in love of what you do or what you want. When if comes to basing items of love on a monetary basis then surly the least expensive may well be the best.

[gladhatter]

Originally posted by 007
If this was aimed at me..... I feel like I need to say that I have no confidence in bashing a hat whatsoever, let alone cutting it and sanding the sides and what not as described in that tutorial to get the Akubra to match Indy's hat. I would, in all honesty, prolly screw it up and there goes a $100 down the crapper. For an extra $40 I can get one that looks perfect and not worry about ruining the hat. So, I think I can wait for it to arrive.......

007, I understnd your concerns 100% . We have some customers that would not have hat that is styled and others that insist on a styled hat and others yet that go to great lengths to get us to make them a hat and yet have a seasoned Indy fan to style them.

It is just as easy for a seasoned hatter that has blocked a few million hats to say a person that sends a hat of to a pro to be blocked is too lazy to do it.

Not every one has the same skills or inclinations or desires. While I prefer to write my own post , I probably could be a member in good standing on many forums, had I got an eloquent speech writer to make post for me. Fact is I am just a hillbilly hatter that may excel in the area of making a beautiful hat and yet fail so miserably on my writing skills that I actually inflame folks to hate me for it.

I am more than confident that where you choose a hat that is bashed or choose to get one that is not is as personal a privilege as wearing boxers or briefs and one only you can make and should be able to make without ridicule.

[Molorom]

if whipmakers were paid per hour then everyone would be making a LOT less then minimum wage. I highly doubt that you spend 555$ worth of time on one hat. Why is it that Steve is able to offer such a quality hat at such low prices and you offer a hat of equal quality for 500$ or more. Ive reblocked a few hats and have tried to re"ferbish" a vintage one using the same processes to make the hats. I think that in the end if all customers made the hats for them selves that they would be saving a bundle. your hat materials only cost you 125$ why are you charging about 380$ for your time? you spend 10 days on 1 hat? how much of that time are you actually touching it? I have spent 2 days straight without sleeping to get a whip perfectly made. And after that its not even done. i still have 8 days to go after that. And i work constantly. I highly doubt that it takes 10 days. i only sell my whips for 145$ because my materials only cost me 60$. Why would anyone want to buy your hat if they can get one cheaper for the same quality, and it holds up like a tank? It just doesnt make sense, why people would strive for cost instead of practicality. Please dont attack me for this gladdhatter. Im just stating my own thoughts and want to remain civil. I dont want to get into a heated fight. I just want to know why pick your hats over someone alses.
Kindest Regards
Adam

[gladhatter]

if whipmakers were paid per hour then everyone would be making a LOT less then minimum wage. I highly doubt that you spend 555$ worth of time on one hat. I amnot sure how you calculate my time.


Why is it that Steve is able to offer such a quality hat at such low prices and you offer a hat of equal quality for 500$ or more.

That would be a good question for Steve. It certainly is a question he would have to answer as I have no intention of answering for him. I think I may know the answer but do not think it proper for me to answer for my friend. I think if you were to talk to Steve privatly you mayfind some of your answers you seek and possibly learn abot more about me as well.

Ive reblocked a few hats and have tried to re"ferbish" a vintage one using the same processes to make the hats. I am sure there are many processes to make hats and having made them for 30 years I continue to learn new processes all the time but find the old ones serve me best.

I think that in the end if all customers made the hats for them selves that they would be saving a bundle.

Could not agree with you more as the majoirity of hats I have seen are made from 8-12 dollar hat bodies.

your hat materials only cost you 125$ why are you charging about 380$ for your time?
I am not sure whee you get mymaterial cost from but mysterling beaver bodies and hat materials cost just over 425.00 for a hat.

you spend 10 days on 1 hat? how much of that time are you actually touching it? Each hat differs in time required touching it. Much depends on the customers needs or wants. I often times will spend 20 or more hours pouncing a single hat body. Probably a simple hat will require an additional 20 hours of finishing time maybe 15 hours on some. A complex hat may take 50 hours additional time.

I have spent 2 days straight without sleeping to get a whip perfectly made. And after that its not even done. i still have 8 days to go after that. And i work constantly. I highly doubt that it takes 10 days. i only sell my whips for 145$ because my materials only cost me 60$. Why would anyone want to buy your hat if they can get one cheaper for the same quality, and it holds up like a tank?

I am lost here now if you are comparing whips to hats in general your whips to my hats or what youare asking or if you are just trying to compare something to somehthing else.

It just doesnt make sense, why people would strive for cost instead of practicality.

Practicality is a good thing but little of in in america do you not agree. I am sure it would be hard to convince a starving man that a whip is a practical thing to own unless you lived when I did and found you need a whip to keep stubborn mules ploughing th ground or pulling giant mature timber from forrest

Please dont attack me for this gladdhatter. Im just stating my own thoughts and want to remain civil. I dont want to get into a heated fight. I just want to know why pick your hats over someone alses.

Heavens I have no intention of attacking you and I do not reccomend you pick my hats over anothers hats. in fact I have only reccomended you pick Steve Delks hats at all. I fell very comfortable saying that Steve can surly make a hat that pleases you well and I wholly support him in his hat endeavor and wish him the very best and suggest all may give him a try and buy his hats. I am sorry you have misunderstood my intent . I cmae here to talk and not sell hats. thee are plenty of heads to cover all over the world . We hope to cover any head that comes to us to buy a hat but we do not sell hats on chat forums. We sell hats direct to a customer wwhen they contact us to purchase one we try our best to educate them on our hats and find thier needs and sell them the least expensive solution for thier needs.

You have asked me to not attack and I hoe you do not preceive my words as any attact. I will now ask you to consider your words. you have stated bluntlythat you think I am lying about taking 10 days to make hat. You have stated my cost of materils for my hats. I really ask you to think about how bold you are making statments you cnanot possibley know and trying to support them with your knowledge of making whips.

No attack here but using your logic a person making widgets in China could say that GM should sell all cars for 10 cents each because they only spend 1 cent on a widget and only 1 second making it so a car cannot cost but 10 dollars and cannot take more than 5 minutes to make.

Kindest Regards
Adam

Adam you are very kind to inquire about making a hat and to challage me on my skills, methods, time, cost or any thing else is a bit short sighted. I make custom hand made hats of highest quality materials and I use antique tools and methods. I occassionally take on a student and help thiem learn basic hat making and then continue with them as they grow in the business. I am sure you may well know of at least one of the people I have choosen to help.

Thank you for inquiring but I really just came here to talk not to give training nor justify my business practice. Finally I have never found it practical for a single person to make verymany quality hats so I do not do all the touching of a hat as often there is 2 touching it at once in many stages of it. there are also several that touch one of our hats before it is released. I just completed a fairly simple hat yesterday that took nine days. It also took 47 emails and much touching. now it will take about 2 more hours of fluffing up final setting of stlye, packaging properly and then shipping out .

The final email was in part: Wow! The hat looks gorgeous, I can tell by the photos that it really is a blue navy, not a dark navy. The brim looks great at 3 inches, and the ribbon is perfect. It certainly looks like the hat I wanted and could not find. (Or, when I did find something close to it, it was the wrong size.)

[Molorom]

Gladhatter,
thanks for taking your time to type up a long response for me. I highly appericate it. I was not comparing whips to excatly hats, directly, i was saying they are kind of in the same level of how they are sold, such as the hides cost very little but are expensive because of the stressing time it takes. I am just trying to ask more questions because i want to learn more about what this craft is a all about. I should not have been questioning your prices as i know all about the price of hat bodys. Me and steve talked about it a bit a while ago. I would never directly compare a hat to a whip as they are not the same. That would just be stupid. Thanks for the explination. I guess ive just had a faulty impression of you because of the way you have reacted to other forum members in the past.
thanks,
Adam

[gladhatter]

Adam, you are most welcome. I fear your faulty impression is more as a result of the way forum members have reacted to me in past.
But past is past and so it goes.

As far as hat bodies are concerned I have seen them in past and currently as well available from 6 dollars up to 1200.00 each.

Steve Delk is a fine and upstanding man and I wish him only the very best in his new found hobby or business.

I hope every one that desires an IJ hat of the kind Steve can provide will certainly give him a try .

Hat making is not rocket science is what i tell every one and encourage all to try a reblock or to try making a hat.

I have sold raw materils to some and given it to oters for this very reason. The result is we now have another hatter that may well please all.

Its a good thing.

While I encourage folks to try to make hat or do a reblock or more I also encourage them to not get in over thier heads.

Unfortunatly most hear th first part and assume they know all then and forge out on a wild new adventure of headache and heart ache. To make a hat is a very simple thing . To make a lasting hat business that is anoter story. It seems as simple as constructing the most basic hat. You hen mutiply that time 100 and then compound that with 100 people screaming they want the hat yesterday and Ups lost it and you did not do this right and Imeant to say I wanted it this way and oh its ina card board box and the hat is perfect and just like I wanted and then a week later the brim is too stiff too soft or too wide or too narrow.

Well being in business is not an easy affair . Then you tell folks on a hat forum that you never knew existed before the bottom of you heart truth from 30 years ex-perience and they all attack you as they had heard a different story from an up and comming hatter that has a new and novel way to make hats or some Jhonny come lately ideas and it gets to be a real burden. Then there are good intentioned and goo meaning folks that are simply unlearned but want to sound learned and there are some that want to be in power and act learned and bury thier heads to truth.

It can all be one big pain.

Heck the IJ hats, that have historically suited so many fans here from a dozen companies are hats that old time hatters would have never allowed the body of to enter thier shop.

Its a commercial world and I am proud of men like Steve Delk that have choosen to balk against the established commerialism and try to provide quality afforadable head wear. We tried it 2 years ago when we first re opened and could not sell a hat . We then looked at current market offereings and pricing nad choose to get the ultimate materials and to raise our prices to reflect 80% of the price of our competitors and we then started getting more orders than we can keep up with.

Business is a tricky thing and with computers internet and such it can be a balancing act . I choose to not comform to every whim from every nay sayer and to just provide the best hats I could to any one that bought one and then many may hate you but it will always only be the ones that never own your hat. I donot have customer that would not buy from me again or if I do I do not know of them. I have 2 ex customers that I would not sell to again how ever. Most are good people with good thoughts and some are just bad peolple that no amount of goodness will convert.

Now back to hats and forums . I really sish I had some one with the will to set up a forum where bashing and all forms of talk and argumentative conversation is acceptable. I really do. not this forum or any oter but one that is bare knuckles that will allow folks to get on and speak the truth and not be ashamed to do so.

I have the server space with all the goodies if anyone is interested in setting it up let me know. I personally do not have time nor inclination to do it but I have wasted space and free will and would love too see it. Then I could come here and relaxknowing no one would want to beat up on me here:))

[Molorom]

Eric,
You are a great guy but for one time i have to dissagree with you. Do you own any of GH's stuff? how do you know its not fantastic? you arent right about everthing. You wont even give the man a chance. I havent seen what hes done here. I dont think he was even talking to you, was he? i dont mind if you have your own ideas about the way GH acts but can you atleast keep them out of our conversation and to your self so that we can remain in a civil conversation?
Adam

[Molorom]

Eric,
That sounds like a plan.

[gladhatter]

Adam, thank you for your very mature stance and attempt to correct the person that is obviously completly out of line. there is nothing here to get in between as Ren and I have nothing between us. You are correct to my knowledge ren does not have any of our products and is not really downing our product but instead only launching personal attacks. I am more than confident he will see the maturity that you and others exercise here and re read th rules of the forum and will want to take the advise of VP. Surly he will wnat to be the first memeber of my Saloon when it opens for such free for all bashing as he is doing but surly he can remain civil here and obey th rules of this forum in the mean time.


Any takers on my offering to open a new forum up that is made specifically for folks with stron opinions like Ren has? I am not wanting to steal any reader from any oter forum and want to actually advertise all the forus on mine but just have a place for folks to get out their true fellings in a place that is mde for it and not do it in a place that clearly is not.

Adam, your age may reflect differently but your attitude and level of maturity certainly speaks loudly of whom is a kid here and whom is not. I am sure all can see you certainly are not the kid . At least you are not the one doing the crying.

[Steve]

"Why is it that Steve is able to offer such a quality hat at such low prices and you offer a hat of equal quality for 500$ or more. "



I heard about this thread and joined up with you folks here at the Raven. Really the above question needs to me answered by me. I am basically not making much money on the hats mentioned. I never went into this venture with the idea of making much money. As with everything else I have done at COW, it is part of my hobby. Being such, it is not my livlihood. With that said, it must also be told that I am not using the same hat bodies as Charlie. His are much more expensive to buy. I am not selling belly beaver, just regular beaver. Also, you gotta figure what it costs to really make custom hats like Charlie. You have to own many hat blocks. I don't have to do this. I am just offering an accurate Indy fedora, handmade, and can get by with just one style of block. If I had to stock 10 styles of hat blocks in all sizes, I would have to charge alot more just to help pay for the investment. Hat making equipment is very, very expensive. Just yesterday, I got some prices on some equipment and it was over 10 grand for the basics. Of course, my business won't be such, that I have to own this sort of thing due to the low volume that I will generate. But, if I had to pump out the hats like most full line hatters, my prices would be right up there with the rest. Charlie is one of the few hatters that will actually help you. He has been of great help to me, even supplying me with bodies to learn on. I can't say enough good words, about him. I own one of his pure belly beaver hats, and it is worth the money. Period. He has the best looking modern felt that I have seen, and I have seen 99 per cent of what is out there. I have seen his finished Indy fedoras, and he has it nailed, even down to the bow. He went to great lengths to supply the first buyers with exactly what they wanted, and probably has not made a dime due to the different blocks he had to find and buying up on liners and sweats that he was not using at the time. I can tell you,he is paying much more for his bodies as he not only offers the Indy fedora, but any, any, sort of hat that you want replicated. And that takes a big investment to do so. He is competitive with all the other hatters. I am the anomoly here(sp?) But, I figured my base of customers would be so small that it would not hurt the other hatters. I am out to provide an accurate Indy fedora at relatively low prices for what they are getting. I think there is a niche for me. If I make a little bit of money in the process, good, I will buy more gear with the profit. I enjoy creating Indy fedoras and that is the only reason I am going into an online company. regards, Steve(Fedora from Cow)

[Rick5150]

Welcome Steve,

It took you long enough to get here ;)

You will be an asset to this board when discussing just about anything from what I have read in the past. Your hat blocks have always been exquisite. It never ceases to amaze me how you could turn the "junk" you had into a great looking Indy hat. I am chomping on the bit waiting for you to get the production line rolling.

The problem is that once the quality, pricing and word of mouth gets out about your Indy hats, you will begin to receive orders for help with non-Indy hats. First a new block, then a ribbon change. Next thing you know you will be a fullblown hat shop. I better hyurry and get my hats while the pricing is low...

Seriously though, it is good to have you aboard. It is nice to see a familiar face...

[Johan]

wow this thread is like an advertisment...is anyone getting paid?

[Steve]

wow this thread is like an advertisment...is anyone getting paid?



I dunno. I never heard an advertisement that failed to mention the name of the company. I think that is the prime factor in advertising. I was just trying to answer the price differential question. Steve

[blur]

Originally posted by 007
I really like the Akubra Federation, but I am not going to bash it myself. I have neither the patience nor the skill that is required to do so. I would probably end up making the hat look terrible and then It would just sit in a box....

So my question is.. what are some other good fedora makers out there for around $100?

I bought a Federation and, sure, it's a bit daunting doing your own bash... but it's not rocket science, either. I ended up making the hat look quite good. And doing it yourself gives you a sense of achievement that you can never have when you just buy something or pay someone to do it.

[INDYfatigable]

Holy flamboly! i went to the site and the hat was selling for 80 bucks! I don't have that much money. Any body know where I can get one? I have a fedora, but it's tweed, and it looks more like a Sherlock Holmes hat than an Indy hat.

[Rick5150]

Holy flamboly! i went to the site and the hat was selling for 80 bucks! I don't have that much money. Any body know where I can get one? I have a fedora, but it's tweed, and it looks more like a Sherlock Holmes hat than an Indy hat.
It is unfortunate, but $80.00 is considered a very low price for an Indy hat, never mind one as good as this. Generally, anything less will buy you an "officially licensed hat, which may be good for a start for those who do not want to spend too much. Usually, you will find short crowns and narrow brims in that price range.

The exception? Ebay offers some decent bargains, if you know where to look and what to look for. Other Indy forums have "classified"sections that you may find deals on as well. A word of caution - most who begin buying this style of hat, continue down the path to more and more expensive high quality hats. I was in the same boat a number of years ago thinking $80 was a huge amount of money for a hat. It isn't, and I have the high dollar hats to prove it. Worth every penny, too ;)

[Johan]

I saw one for 70 CND good deal!

[007]

Originally posted by Renderking Fisk
... go to Chicago, Texas, California or Australia and see how the masters do it...

Hey Renderking..... (or anyone else)

Do you know the names of these stores in Chicago? I would like to go and check them out!

[VP]

Optimo Hat Company.
10215 south western ave
Chicago Illinois 60643
phone 773 238 2999

www.optimohats.com

But beware, their hats are $400 each.

[007]

oh man... that is down by 105th street...... hmmmm.... don't think I'll be going way down there anytime soon, but thanks for the address!

[ElodieJones]

I have buy the Indy hat in this site :
http://www.indyfedora.com/shop/index.html

I have take the : Indy Fedora by Herbert Johnson with black linings - SHAPED

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Indiana.Jones/Gear/AssuranceTracteur072.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Indiana.Jones/Gear/AssuranceTracteur082.jpg

[Aaron H]

You have a lot of cool stuff in your room, Elodie!:whip:
Nice fedora:).

[Rumpled Fedora]

I'm thinking about getting a new straw Indy hat about halfway down on this page.
http://www.pbhats.com/INDY_CUSTOM/Default.htm

[Johan]

sorry to say but that hat is awful...or were you being sarcastic.
I must also confess I am also envious of the room Elodie's hat is displayed in.

[VP]

Nice HJ. I see it's a LC one. Wear it proudly.

[ElodieJones]

Thanks for my bedroom !

The hat is more like Raiders, no?
In the site it is write :
"This one is allreday shaped by us to the "Raiders of the Lost Ark" Style."

[Rumpled Fedora]

sorry to say but that hat is awful...or were you being sarcastic.

No, I wasn't being sarcastic. All the dimensions are exactly like the real Indy hat, unlike the "official" one that is being sold on a few websites. The price point is affordable compared to other high quality fedoras. And since it's straw, it be a good hat to wear during the Summer.

[VP]

Hmm, I think that it looks more like LC. Could you post a pic of the front crease? This is what the different styles look like:

Raiders:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_1.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_2.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_3.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_4.jpg

ToD:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_5.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_6.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_7.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_8.jpg

LC:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_9.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_10.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_11.jpghttp://koti.mbnet.fi/vpr/indy/kuvat/pics/gear_hattu_12.jpg

[Deadlock]

GREAT collection of screen grabs, VP! Very helpful in seeing the differences in the bash jobs.

[Rumpled Fedora]

No, I can't post a pic of the front crease because I haven't bought one yet. Michaelson over at COW has seen it. You could ask him what Indy style the hat is.

[Ska]

I believe the pics were to show Elodie that her's mostly resembles LC, even though it is supposedly a Raiders one.

[VP]

Yeah I was talking 'bout Elodie's HJ.

[ElodieJones]

I would make more pictures of the hat tomorrow. ;)

[ElodieJones]

There are some pictures on the site :
http://www.indyfedora.com/shop/index.html

[Rumpled Fedora]

Yeah I was talking 'bout Elodie's HJ.
Whoops... my bad. :)

[ElodieJones]

Here are other pictures of my hat.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v18/Indiana.Jones/Gear/?action=view&current=MeIndy015.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v18/Indiana.Jones/Gear/?action=view&current=MeIndy013.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v18/Indiana.Jones/Gear/?action=view&current=MeIndy012.jpg

[VP]

Hmm, it looks like Raiders. But the front pinch doesn't go low enough. You could fix it easily with steam.

[ElodieJones]

Yes, I would change the front a little bit ;)

[Webley]

I'm thinking about getting a new straw Indy hat about halfway down on this page.
http://www.pbhats.com/INDY_CUSTOM/Default.htmI think that hat looks cool. Do you think you could shape it some or do you think the straw would brake?

[Rumpled Fedora]

Well, I've read that it's possible to steam and block the straw just like felt. However, I don't know how far you can go with it.

[gladhatter]

I was wondering what is about an average or good price for a fedora... on the whole.

Depends on what you are looking for. folks her seem to think you cna get a good hat for 100 bux but its truly ot possible. A good hat will cost around $450.00 - $2500.00 ,, That is in a custom hand made hat. Our baseline hats are 450.00 or 225.00 for first time buyers we give 50% off.

Akubra's are not a real fedora, but instead more of an out back hat that is full of stiffner.

A fedora will have .4- .7 degrees of stiffner and its all that is needed to shape the hat as it is a GOOD fedora. An Akubra has 4.7 -5 degrees of stiffner and does not qualify as a fedora accordingly.

Not to say its not a good enough hat for the money but it is not a fedora it just has a semi fedora shape to it.

The akubra is a rabbit fur hat and your better fedora's are fur blends or belly beaver. We offer hats up to 12,000.00 . I would not consider 100 dollars for a good hat a lot of money. That is 3 tanks of gasoline . A hat is an investment that should last at least a life time and if its sterling beaver it will last generations or around 200 years.

[VP]

I think that about 250 bucks is a good price.

[gladhatter]

VP is correct . Fedora, is offering a pure beaver hat for around 250.00 in the IJ style and I understand all are delighted with his offerings. :whip:

[Snakewhip_Sable]

I may not look it in this photo, but yes, I was EXTREMELY delighted with my Adventurebilt Fortune and Glory fedora. www.adventurebilthats.com

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/72173704C/281587.jpg

[gladhatter]

Hard to beat a deal like that huh Snakewhip ?

[Neolithic]

Looks, great, Sable. :)
I just found out mine came today- but I won't be back home for three weeks.
Hello everyone, this is my first post @ the Raven

[John McClane]

How tight do you like to wear your pinch?

[Snakewhip_Sable]

I'm sending it back for proper sizing. I'll miss it sooo.

Pinch? Me? I like mine a lil more Last Crusade, obviously. Though most prefer that tight, all-the-way-down Raiders one with the turn. I can't wear a turn. I like symmetry.

[VP]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/IndyVille/welcome_tumma.jpg

Welcome, Neo.

I have a tight Raiders pinch with the turn.

[Neolithic]

Thanks, VP... wow- I've never seen a welcome like the Raven welcome before... :)
I like quite a tight front pinch with a turn as well. The guys over at COW gave some good advice on it. My Adventurebilt arrived in the mail last Monday- I'm not going to get it for three weeks as I'm away. Torture! :(

[John McClane]

I never got a welcome VP. :confused: :(

[VP]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/IndyVille/welcome_tumma.jpg

Welcome, John McClane.

[John McClane]

Thanks VP. :D

[Panama Tom Jr.]

Steve Delk (aka Fedora) has started carrying a pure rabbit fedora that is in the price range of an Akubra, and he is the master at creating screen accurate lids, right down to the specific scene - I got a 100% Beaver shaped per the "Well of Souls" scene...
http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/230871.jpg

[Snakewhip_Sable]

Lookin' good, Panama Tom!

I think I'm eventually going to get another Adventurebilt; perhaps in another colour this time, or a different blend of felt. I'd hate to wear the one I have out in a few years and not have a back-up in case Steve retires or something.

[VP]

I think that I'm going to get two Adventurebilts. One gray rabbit and one brown beaver.

[Luisiana Jones]

Im gettin a beaver hat by Lee Keppler that looks like the golden idol scene in Raiders, ill post some pics here when it arrives, but it seems i will have to wait a lot of time ;)

[VP]

Why didn't you get it from Adventurebilt Hats?

[Luisiana Jones]

im gonna get it pretty soon, havent got a reply of mr.Kepler yet but could you gimme that url of adventure..

[VP]

http://www.adventurebilthats.com

[Luisiana Jones]

lol isn´t it a bit expensive?I mean i think in here www.indyfedora.com u can get HJ cheaper

Plz correct me if im wrong, im new in buying through the net but very interested on buying an Indy fedora ( a good one)

[Luisiana Jones]

Oh i forgot, what is a crest???

[VP]

http://www.toddscostumes.com/images/indy/liner-red-label.jpg

That red oval thing is the HJ crest.

[Luisiana Jones]

OMG, i got to save some more exactly 27 euros more and that HJ with white linings and all will be mine :whip: now i got a questions:

Has any of you HJ owners bought it on this web? www.indyfedora.com i think it has the best price for a HJ, could u tell me your opinion on this web plz

I think its a real HJ fedora i mean the original Indy hat not a replica :D and im anxious te get it, but its too expensive to take risks

[VP]

What do you mean by "original" one? It's not the same hat and it's not the same felt. It's just made by the same company and it looks like the Indy one. I know a couple of folks who have ordered from Indyfedora.com and a copule that have ordered from Todd's Costumes. http://www.toddscostumes.com/indy/herbert_johnson_fedora.htm
Todd sells the same HJ as Indyfedora.com.

[Luisiana Jones]

Oh so its not the same hat used in the movie??can u buy one like they used in the movie?if u can , where can u buy it??is that hat worse than the beaver hat of adventure bilt? :D totally confused

[VP]

That hat is like the hat used in the movie. Not the hat used in the movie. They used dozens of fedoras in the movies and nobody knows where they are.

That hat is worse than the beaver AB, but it's still a great hat.

I recommend that you join the Club Obi Wan when it gets back online.

[Luisiana Jones]

OK ill do so thx for the info

[Luisiana Jones]

Oh, i forgot to ask this, how long does it usually take to arrive in the page of tom... ???

[VP]

I have no idea.

[gladhatter]

Sounds like yall could use some education on hats. www.gladhatter.com/forum

[gladhatter]

Sounds like yall could use some education on hats.

www.gladhatter.com/forum

[Aaron H]

We missed you gladdy!

Well no, not really, but it is nice to see you back.;)

[gladhatter]

Aaron, you know I feel about the same way. This is the lamest forum I ever seen but seems I always like to return a visit from time to time.

[Aaron H]

No kinder words have ever been spoken.:)

[Webley]

This is the lamest forum I ever seen but seems I always like to return a visit from time to time.
I think this could be the next "qutote of the year"

[Luisiana Jones]

Hi there gladhatter, and yes i could use some ed on hats that´s why I am already member in all the forums i can lol, sometimes its hard to be active on all, thanks for the link and btw just registered myself there, seems some of my gearheads friends have already done do too.

Regards from Spain, ;)

Ps. No i dont think this is a lame forum, but hey just my view on that :D

[gladhatter]

Hey LJ its not lame at all I just like to stir the pot a bit . unlike some I think Gilles is one fine and fair guy. Unfortunatly I rarely can share the belief system of many onf the members here but i sure do like to talk with them on occassion.


All in all not a bad bunch of guys and gals.

Wheres Monkey ?

[Luisiana Jones]

lol no prob Mr. Gladhatter we all have different opinions on different people you cant please everybody ^^ Hope to see you more around this forum ;)

Regards from Spain :D

[gladhatter]

Could not agree with you more. I hope to get over here more often as well. I have been looking for some threads to join in on here already.

[Aaron H]

We forgot to tie monkey up and he ran away when a band of gypies went rolling by.

To be honest, I'm not sure why that little furball isn't around anymore. He just kind of faded away.

[gladhatter]

Sure hate to hear that about Monkey but so it goes. Is any of the other folks still around or all gone now. I see VP on most of the forums.

[Aaron H]

I think they all left because you were too much to try to live up to.:D

[VP]

I'm still alive and kickin'.

[gladhatter]

I'm still alive and kickin'.

Well please so not kick me . I am hurting to bad already from laughing about what AaronH has to say. :o

[Aaron H]

What can I say, I'm a funny guy. ;)

[gladhatter]

What can I say, I'm a funny guy.
Well you could say where the interesting discussions on the old Raven board are all located s i seem to be finding this place about as dead as a 100 year old corpse.

Come on folks where is the love?

[Luisiana Jones]

Well there was more hate than love back then, or at least that´s the idea i have :D

[gladhatter]

Sure am glad that has got repaired and now we can all have some fun and maybe start up a good thread about something here.

Any one want to talk hats?

[Luisiana Jones]

^^ not much hat activity here lately ;) but hey im always open to that topic ^.-

[gladhatter]

Well I am open to any good topic or controversy of any kind .. Whatt does any one what to talk about?


Is that neurotic gal still on here ? Ops that would beany gal on here I guess :sick:

[VP]

Which one of them? :p

[gladhatter]

I think it was Indy Gal or such The one that had the no child thread and bitched and moaned when Ren went crazy about it, had the massive PM campaign against him and then went crazy on me later.

[VP]

Indyologist?

[gladhatter]

Thats her , is she still on board? I have a very poor memory of names it seems. It seems I miss many of these folks as well.

[VP]

Yeah, she's still here from time to time. Last time was a couple of weeks ago.

Now back to hats.

[gladhatter]

Hat season is about over here. We have 5 or 6 new orders for felt and a couple Montecristi hats to make still. It was a tough year for us growing a lot and getting set back up from a split off in business and getting redirected and all. We done a few Movie repro hats and several interpetations of the IJ hats as well. We are about to do a screen accurate high end IJ in a few days for a guy in Germany.

I watched with Mixed thoughts as I seen the fedora lounge and a lot of the Cow clan make an about face from Optimo being the flavor of the month and then adopt either Fedora or Art as the hat maker of the day. I was amazed how nepotism is rampant on the forums and Seen die hard Optimo and Akubra fans change beliefs and Pm me as to how that I was right about them all along and how beaver hats are the way to go . Equally concerning to me was how two self admitted novice hat make refurbishers took the bit of knowledge I published and instantly became master hatters over night with a huge fan base.

While the world of hats is an amazing thing the world of people are more amazing .

I wonder what them same folks would say if hey seen really well made professional level hats or if they would appreciate the art or if they prefer any hat with sinsationalism and nepotism over a great hat with just plain talk .

I suspose this will remain unanswered.

We of course as anounces back then aslo started up a new " hat" forum and have had limited suscess with it and lots of growing pains as well. Having tried to concentrate on quality and not quanity is some what painful in of its self.

[Grimdiana Bones]

I know I've mentioned this on another thread, but I wanted to ask again for good measure.....

Does anyone have any tips on how to possibly make a fedora somewhat larger? I bought mine online, and have come to the relization that my head is too big. I was thinking about removing the leather band from inside, but I dont want to risk damaging it if possible.

[gladhatter]

I know I've mentioned this on another thread, but I wanted to ask again for good measure.....

Does anyone have any tips on how to possibly make a fedora somewhat larger? I bought mine online, and have come to the relization that my head is too big. I was thinking about removing the leather band from inside, but I dont want to risk damaging it if possible.

Hello I think I cna help you but to try to write all this out and then not get it right is all wrong. Your info suggest you are in Cincinatti, if os call me or send me your ph# and I will call you and help you. Or ship me the hat and I will stretch it for fee after I talk with you. Its not real hard to do but its real easy if you have a professional stretcher as I have.

My Ph# is 276-926-6423 my email is gladhatter@gladhatter.net Or you can PM me with your number. I will be happy to try to help you no cost and no obligation and i will pay for the phone call to help you. .

Charlie

[gladhatter]

I sould like to encourage all forum bviewers her as well to please ask any non Indiana Jones q's on our hat forum. there you will get a detailed public answer that all can learn and find helpful.

Nothing wrong with this forum and we endorse it in public post and also as a linked forum but it is not geared for all hat topics as we are. Likewise we are not geared for all Indiana Jones topics.

Please come join the hat forum , the peoples forum where youare the mod.

www.gladhatter.com/forum It is not a moderated forum as others are moderated but instead mostly self moderating.

We hope to see you BOTH here and there.

Charlie

[Webley]

I bought mine online, and have come to the relization that my head is too big. I was thinking about removing the leather band from inside, but I dont want to risk damaging it if possible.I think you should cut leather band from inside and then after you do that wear it for like a moth and tell us if it was a good idea ;)

[gladhatter]

Telling you now bad idea . I have answered this man with all his concerns and he should be fixed up and if not he will let me know.

Sweat bands , felt and ribbon all will streatch 1- 2 sizes. No problem.

Charlie

[indifan101]

Or you could take it to a place that cutomizes hats! :D

[gladhatter]

Or you could take it to a place that cutomizes hats! :D

yes if we had all the options in the world then we would need no help in any thing we do. Ufortunatly there is precious few place to get any real hat help these days.

That is one of the reasons for the SBS to exist is to help folks find hat help.

Charlie

[gladhatter]

Folks among all the speculations about the next movie and all, I have been in contact regularly of late with Lucas Films, and the Marshall group as well and we have beennegotiating on both the next movie hat and the post production hats.

We have not reached any agreement yet but they have ask for a sample hat.

Now I am not going this alone. I expect complete support from all IJ fans every where.

They currently are inclined to use the DP hat and that way increase the post production sales.

I wexplained to them how the fans would never support this and how the hat will make or break the movie.

They are listening but we need solid and fast action here and we need group support.

Please vist the SBS visitors page and see the post and decide what you are willto do to support this. Any ideas are appreciated.

Charlie

[gladhatter]

ATTENTION!!! We are negotiating with LUCAS FILMS about producing the next hat for IJ IV!!!! Read all about if if you like and come suppot it if you will: www.gladhatter.com/forum

[VP]

Oh yeah? Prove it.

[gladhatter]

Cannot prove yesterdays news and can report that I will not be negotiatin further at this time nor posting more about it.

[gladhatter]

Cannot prove yesterdays news and can report that I will not be negotiatin further at this time nor posting more about it.

SO

I now have to defer to the infamous Adventurbilt hat company as they seem to have the contract in the hat so to speak.

VP I am sure you will not require the same burden of proof here now would you ? After all you would not want to be mauled by maurdering fans. :whip:

Charlie

[VP]

I did question that Robert guy, still don't know his name so I'm not sure if I can trust him. http://www.indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?p=245653#245653

[gladhatter]

I did question that Robert guy, still don't know his name so I'm not sure if I can trust him. http://www.indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?p=245653#245653


Interestingly enough, I have been in fairly regular contact with Lucal Films myself. Not any mystery people or any of that and its really quit simple to do. All you have to do is call them as they are very nice folks ( sometimes) ... I would like to be clear that I have not recently discussed the movie hat at all but post movie USA production hat.

Out of all the lenghty emails we have passed the last one I got from Lucas quoted part of the information on COW and then had a one liner : It said: Who is Robert? Better yet let me paste the one liner verbatim : who is Robert? Now this could make me wonder if this guy types as bad as me as he did not capitolize the w in who and his one liner may be written by him and not his assistants that may have written before. Dunno. Kinda interesting that Lucas is following the Cow site however and may add some validity to the situation. I think contrawise however as in his last correspondence he still denyed there is any movie to make any hat for.

Please do not interpit this as any sling against COW or Steve or anyone else there. Robert could be Robert? and could be a screen name for some one else and could be the it guy.

My interest in this movie is far differnt than most as I have seen this hat save two hat companies that was dying in the past. I have seen it make a new small hat company called Adventurbuilt. I have seen it open a branch of the same company in Germany for a dear friend of mine that I have sent a fair amount of business to.

We can all hope for this movie to come for many reasons.

The sadness for me about all this is the lack of cooperations from the many forums that had they united could have made it happen better and quicker and still could.

Surrounding it in a cloak of mystery and putting asingle guy on a pedastal and allowing the dangling carrot to increase his person sales is great for that vendor and is some good to the hat industry but in the long run, its not the best medicine nor the intended outcome I could envision in a more perfect world.

So let all try to fill their on selfish ways and the world unchaged will survive and hats will continue to come back regardless.

Charlie

[gladhatter]

I would like to add, that to dismiss some of the stories that I get told are going around that I am trying to Bash Steve or AB from getting to make this hat I would like to say publicly that it is not so. For gear heads and for Steve this hat would be a God send and for me its something we have no time to produce for the movie. Sure would love to do the post production hat and hope to get the rights to it but that is totally unlikely for the USA market but possible for the Euro market but not likely also.

I still ask for proof that the movie is going on at this point. I spoke with one of the largest costuming groups in the world today and they was not aware of it going to costuming yet or that it was about to be shot.

Now choose to believe what you will and take my words with a grain of salt as that is what they are worth but like all my words past on all the forums they always end up being found true and all seem to hate me worse each time they find I was right again.

Think about it.

Charlie

[gladhatter]

Trust smush ... Look at arguably the finest IJ hat ever made to date :

http://www.indygear.com/cow/viewtopic.php?t=17627&start=0

Mr. Kitter is a true prefectionist and surely has built one finest hat.

Charlie :whip:

[gladhatter]

Thanks so many for the letters of appology. I think all can now see that for the time being that the IJ IV is on hold and as I quoted earlier from sources at Lucas there is no movie at this point. Not sure where everone else finally got this information at but I do thank so many for at least apologizing privately for all their degrading emails about me for knowing the truth early on and reporting it and debunking the rumors that others posted with out care for the truth.

Now I hope to get some new updates soon from the horses mouth and I will post them if applicable and appropiate at the time.

We continue to persue all profitable and challenging hat contracts but still do not see the profitability of the movie hat its self nor do we find any challenge in making such a simple hat. That is not to discredit in anyway the folks that love and make this hat nor its impact on the hat world and how it has opened many doors for us.

Charlie.

[gladhatter]

Hello VP I understand from friends that you have choosen to indicate that I am negotiating with Lucas about the hats for the movie in some private area at Cow. I hope you will take the oppertunity to correct or admend your statements in regard to this. While I certainly did negotiate the prospect at some point in the past, this was just that in the past and dated accordingly at the dating of the post above that the friend said you referenced.

I am not in any current negotiations with lucas at all and from all I know the movie is on hold and if not I do not know it. Further more I do not have any extra time to find out at this point.

I also understand that Robert A.M. Stephens indicated that he forwarded my emails to Steve Delk for review and if so I am sure that they will then match all the BCC copies of them I also forwarded to Steve when his name was mentioned in them.

I am sorry if what I have read is true and Steve posted that content as was reported about me. I appearntly have misunderstood Steve if this is the case as I was assured by him that such negative content would not be posted at any time in the future. Makes no real never mind really but is curious enough to me that folks that have mutual access to this and the SBS choose to instead post in hidden areas of other forums their thoughts and deeds and not publically when they lunge such attacks.

I for one prefer the openess of open forums where you do not have to hide behind cowardice with vintomous words. That is why I have choosen to present this here so that all the parties that are involved can read this publically and at least they will have an oppertunity to see a differing side of the matter should they choose.

VP again I hope you will amend your statements if they was posted as reported to me and I am sorry for the hatred in Steve's heart if he posted the words that was reported to me.

To set this record very clear:

I am not currently involved in any negotiations of any serious level for any movies that I do not even know exist or is about to be made.

I am sorry for the continued slanders of cowards that cannot face me publically with their accusations and that choose to do it with only group support and in hidden areas.

If my position or status concerning this movie or hat changes I will surely update it here but I do not forsee that as any real thing at this point.

Again sorry for all the bitter people in the world.

Charlie

[gladhatter]

As indicated, I said I would post any updates I received concerning this movie. Last on was early Saturday morning in an email that appearntly was tardy arriving. The email indicates several things including that there is a Movie for sure in the works scheduled for release in '07 . There was much more as well not of consequence here. The working name of the movie currently is reported to be: " Indiana Jones and the Ravages of Time " . So you heard it here first as I said I would do. Who will make the hat? Well that is to be seen but I think Marc Kitter would be a prime canidate if I had any say in the matter. I would add to that list that it may seem unfair to not add Steve Delk to that as well and I certainly do not care to be unfair.

Time will tell and I am sure the ones involved will be kept up with closer this time than before due to the popularity of it all.

There you have it. Now VP you please stop saying untrue or misleading things about me on other forums.

Charlie

[ClintonHammond]

Could you spam this thread any more?

[gladhatter]

Could you spam this thread any more?

Yes starting now. I just read the follow up email burried in the listing and found that the working name for the movie and the actual movie title is not the same at all.

Sorry for jumping the gun.

Now Clintonhemp head can you please not read my post as well as anyone else that chooses not to do so and that way not waste time responding to things you care not to. Or just go ahead and be stupid if you have no other choices.

Charlie

[ClintonHammond]

"just go ahead and be stupid"

Seems like you've got that act all sewn up

[gladhatter]

"just go ahead and be stupid"

Seems like you've got that act all sewn up

Did you mean all grown up perhaps as stooped is a leaning tree. Intelligenge is a subjective thing and smart asses will always show themselves as such.

Thank you for your blessings to continue to post however but I have actually ask my membership here be revolked and until you help see to that I will fufill my word to keep this updated should I learn anymore.
I am posting this primarily for Mike Massaroy and VP as they seem to be the most vocal critics of my knowledge but never seem to want to debate the issues in any public arena that I have access to.

This is not rocket science or hidden informations that any member of the public cannot obtain btw and if you wish proof make the calls your selfs they are published telephone numbers as well.

Update is: I just Spoke to Lucas Films and then the production department at Kennedy Marshall this noon. They once again emphatically assured me that IJ4 is still on hold that the Script is NOT finished yet. That Production is not set up yet. That NO costuming has even been hired. That such things as this is WAY premature! That they WILL be involved when decision about such is made and that No VENDORS of any kind are being considered at this stage of the game for the movie. They DID say that it will be at least 6 months before any such decisions are made. They did say to fax in a resume if interested in being updated or to verify current status on a vendor list.

Is it possible that the people that think they are involved are not the ones that will make this decision?

They was specific to say that Paramount and Lucas would be involved in the POST movie hat selection and production. They was insistent that they would be making costuming and movie hat decisions however.

Not sure what all that is worth but that is from the horses mouths.

Want better proof lift your phone and dial the numbers and ask.

Charlie

[VP]

I wasn't criticizing you, all I ever said on this subject on COW was this:

Gladhatter_ claims to be negotiating with Lucasfilm about the Indy 4 hat, but everybody knows how reliable of a source he is.

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?p=178270#post178270

And nothing else.

[ClintonHammond]

What does 'revolked' mean?

"Intelligenge"? I guess you mean "IntelligenCe"???

You're not doing yourself any favours G-hatter.....


"They did say to fax in a resume"
I hope your resume is better written than your post G-hatter.... For your own sake.

[Jay R. Zay]

What does 'revolked' mean?

"Intelligenge"? I guess you mean "IntelligenCe"???

You're not doing yourself any favours G-hatter.....


"They did say to fax in a resume"
I hope your resume is better written than your post G-hatter.... For your own sake.

your way of attacking a statement by naming its linguistic flaws is childish at best. personally, i'd call it retarded for many children would consider this comparison as a stinging insult.

for *your* own sake, i do hope that you learn to focus on the unpleasant content a bit. you can deal with grammar and spelling as soon as you're done dealing with the content. spelling corrections *instead* of sensible arguments are a repeated attempt by you to maintain the impression of being mr. smarty, but i'm afraid it didn't work very well in the past and it doesn't work right now.

if you do something impressive, i don't care whether you are an a-hole or not. but as long as the most impressive thing you've done in a discussion so far is to count spelling mistakes on behalf of your opponent, speaking down to the rest of the users is regarded pathetic style by me.

now that's my humble opinion of the show you're giving here. others might disagree but if they do, i will get out my dictionary and nail them. :eek:

[gladhatter]

Well 2 yur credit VP I can only speak second hand about what you may have said as I cannot find anything you said there but my friend says its in some members only area is why he emails it to me. And you are NOT Right everone does not know of my rock solid relibility but they will learn it some day and until then they can continue their ungrateful smear attacks while they enjoy the beaver hats that I enabled the possiblity of them wearing and got spat in the face with spittle as a thank you for the training and resourses. And that too is ok....

Clintonhemp head you are the only reason I still come here other than the fact that Gillis is the ONLY hat related forum Admin on the block with the exception of my little super woman and maybe more fair than she. But hemphead is far more entertaining.

VP is just knowledgably boring by comparrison.


JRZ you are the apittamy of political correctness and where the world needs more of your kind or not they sure are getting them and I am not sure its a good thing but you seem like a fair minded left wing liberal at least and I stand to be corrected as I forgot what you personality and politics was as I quit comming here so often..

Regardless I am eternally thankful for Gillis and I think I shall stick around and maybe even send a cash dividend to support this bunch of leftist as yall ain't all bad just because you are all confused.

Charlie

[gladhatter]

What does 'revolked' mean?

"Intelligenge"? I guess you mean "IntelligenCe"???

You're not doing yourself any favours G-hatter.....


"They did say to fax in a resume"
I hope your resume is better written than your post G-hatter.... For your own sake.

Revolked : def;http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-menuext&ie=UTF-8&q=revolked

now why are you going ahead and guessing again. Have you not the fortitude to ask or be told. Do you not get tired of being chronically wrong as well as dumb er ?

Charlie :whip: Gee haw

now do not assume that means yehaw but do your gogling instead and report back how your equine sensibilites have improved and tell us the differnce in the UK and USA naming conventions and the differnt directions they take Mr. hempterhead.

[ClintonHammond]

The fact that a lot of other people misspell it as "Revolked" doesn't make it right....

Or do you also use the word "Irregardless"??

Speaking of being stupid and wrong......

[gladhatter]

The fact that a lot of other people misspell it as "Revolked" doesn't make it right....

Or do you also use the word "Irregardless"??

Speaking of being stupid and wrong......

I mostly use bare knuckles when I cannot get to a gun or a knife. Lately I been missing jail house sex with men and have had you on my mind.. Lackie wana..

Stupid and wrong I thought involved being broke, on the wrong forums, miserable inside, having a dorks ICQ number and being married to fat ugly women.

The fact that a lot of people do say or use anything does not necessarily make it anything but historically makes it wrong if you look at the %'s. Weak people have to seek group support in their lame attacks and some think this can dissuade the convicted and correct into reconsidering their rightness.

The only thing I ever though was more wrong than one fool is a gang of fools that support the one.

As for me I will let the internet record speak as in the three years I have been on these lame ass message boards I have seen the lot of the *****s come, go and become the flavor of the month and I have grown sted fast all the while with my bitter flavor not so desired by the weak or heart and wallet.

Two kinds in life and that is the suscessful and the bitter. Sad part of it is that any one can do it and the oppertunities are around us all the time and unfortunatly 99.99% are too stupid or lazy to take the oppertunities and go with them.

A little ambition will go a long way young man. You should apply some of that misdirected enery on something positive and maybe you would remove yours self from the bitter list.

The Oil sands is paying good up your way right now. Do you want me to hook you up with a job that pays about a 10 thousand times what you are used to getting now so you can pull out of that bitter misery and stop spinning your wheels on some lame message board and get up money to buy you a real hat ?

Charlie

[ClintonHammond]

"Two kinds in life and that is the suscessful and the bitter."

And only the latter spend as much time online, proving what dullards they are, as you do......

Is English your 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) language?

That would explain a lot........

"A little ambition will go a long way"?
"ambition is the last refuge of failure"..... and you seem to have so much ambition in this thread......

???

[gladhatter]

"Two kinds in life and that is the suscessful and the bitter."

And only the latter spend as much time online, proving what dullards they are, as you do......

Is English your 2nd (or 3rd or 4th) language?

That would explain a lot........

"A little ambition will go a long way"?
"ambition is the last refuge of failure"..... and you seem to have so much ambition in this thread......

???

Clinton I do not have a spoken language as I am a mute from birth. However you are correct that english is my 4th language as it is preceeded by navajo, ulu and faber. Sorry youmissed the gist of the joust but thats ok mark another up for the gh online guy.

Charlie

[ClintonHammond]

"I do not have a spoken language as I am a mute from birth"

Sorry for your luck, but that justifies your lousy spelling how?

[roundshort]

Charlie,

Do you know Nathan from Colorado, i have always been a fan of his hats?
Also, if people have an issue with your spelling, mine sucks, why not write using your 1st language? As a former Marine, I know that Naajo is an easy language to learn . . .

[gladhatter]

Charlie,

Do you know Nathan from Colorado, i have always been a fan of his hats?
Also, if people have an issue with your spelling, mine sucks, why not write using your 1st language? As a former Marine, I know that Naajo is an easy language to learn . . .

I dso know Nate and helped him get set back up right a little after his shop burned back a few years ago.

I recently had the privledge of meeting Nate Both in Clintwood where we loaded a couple blocking machine on his buggy that he bought from me. Then he and his Sister came on up here and we had a good visit. I have a couple photos of him out here as he was leaving with the machines.

Nate has the distinction of being the only Native American " Master Hatter" in the USA today. Nate used to work for Bounty Hunter many years prior to opening on his own. I am not sure whom the Robert Character that works for with or what concern he has with Nate now but I do know he could be Clinton's clone as he is about as smart assed and stupid as Clinton is.

Nate is a good marketeer and has a good gig going with the local chamber of commerce there and should make a fine business out of his shop in soon time I would think.

Nate has a nice brochure and card and does a bang up walk in biz. The real money is currently in western hats if you are in this for the money its the place to be.

About the language, I was just Bsing Hemphead there as I speak fluent Hillbilleze mostly and that is about all.

Charlie

[roundshort]

Nice! Stepehn King (from Bounty Hunter) is a very, very good friend. I am lucky enough to have a few of his hats, a 100% bever ivory western, and a great straw job for golf!

I have a few jackets also. Nate is a good guy and I hope he and his Mancos store do well. I always liked the idea that the rich tourists in Telluride would buyt he hats, and ***** about the price, and the real ranchers would buy the same hat, and say it would be the last hate they would ever need!

The ranchers would get into theri 1979 Ford F-150, whiel the rich tourists jumped in thier new Hummer!

Keep up the good work!

[gladhatter]

Roundshort, glad you bring it all up. Want to appologize as I thought this was more a kids forum to have fun on.

Two different markets entirly. The ranchers are working cowboys that depend on that hat and when they spend the 200 extra for a beaver over a rabbit or a blend they know they can have it cleaned and blocked and last them a life time.

The Tourist have not been educated and are nort really going to buy the hat to wear but as a toy hat really and will not put the coin into it so often. It takes an education to teach folks the difference. Giving that education as a poor teacher is what got me banned from the other hat forums. Not the education so much as how I presented it in a demanding and fustrated tone. Now the same bunch think any beaver hat is the best and I cannot educate them on the vast difference in beaver. Nate was fortunate enough to come here and see what the difference in a sterling beaver hat and a plain beaver hat is. In fact I just recalled I think he took off one of these sterling beaver hats bodies to make his person hat from. Seems like a Vauge memory now it all was just too short a visit.

Now CJ down at Jackson hole has the real biz and she commands top dollar from her wealthy clientelle and they pay it with a passion. Here again its another type of tourist I think is all and a different market.

She is doing about more custom and off the shelf biz than anyone not hitting the Rodeo's right now I think.

In Nates line you about have to make the Rodeo circuit. I have many western hatter friends right now and most backed up almost 2 years on new orders. To me that is just unthinkable.

If Nate puts them machines to work he can do a fine custom biz for the cheap stakes comming through and also do a fine hand made hat for the folks wishing that level of service.

You see so much bickering on these forums over the few heads that is one them and who will cover them. Its all just unlearnedness and there is more heads out there than all the hatters everwhere can cover and the ones that cooperate will be the winners and the bitter as gaul ones that try to get the forum crowd is going to be the losers.

The movie hat is not an automatic winner as well but I will just direct them thoughts to here: http://www.gladhatter.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=22147#22147 as its too much to repeat.

Charlie

[roundshort]

Very cool post!

I remember havignthe same conversation with Steve King (Bounty Hunter, not author). It is a battle. I was lucky enought o spend a few weekends working on cattle fences with some real wranglers (which I think is funny, are part time jobs, as there is NO money in cattle on a small basis) but they all raise roping calfs. I never really understood the hat until you are inthe sun for about 15 to 16 hours, cutting pine, making posts and string barbed wire. A baseball cap just doesn't cut it.

These hats were great. As far as I know Nate is still 100% by hand, but I agree for the tourists he should crank out some of these "high-end" machine made deals and sell them for 300 to 400 a piece, and keep the high end, 500 to 900 dollers for the real deal. I always liked seeing the mancos shop, and the old equipment. The bright color of the rodeo hats are not my thing, but I know it is important. I love my ivory 100% Lizard Head. it is a great hat, and although needs to be reblocked still looks great.

I still want s big brimmed silver belly! Oh well, Thanks for the link, stuff looks great!

[gladhatter]

Very cool post!

I love my ivory 100% Lizard Head. it is a great hat, and although needs to be reblocked still looks great.

I still want s big brimmed silver belly! Oh well, Thanks for the link, stuff looks great!


I know that ivory is one bute of a hat. Ahhh the Silverbelly....... My favorite of the lot most of the time. I actually have 2 western and I think 5 fedora Natural undyed sterling beaver silver belly bodies from 1920 and this is the real thing not dyed a silver belly color and not dyed at all but silver from the color of the fur from the mature beaver available then. If you get a chance to look ad Dr. Kussin's galleries you will see one made into a hat there.

I have a lot better modern felt than the 1920 felt and its a myth that older felt is better even thou much of it is better than the commercial crap but I have modern felts that will pale felt from any era to shame.

Lots of myth surrounding hats.

Charlie

[roundshort]

It is an art, Too bad too many cheap (although they can cost a lot) hats with famous names are on the market. If you want a good one it has to be had made from great quailty felt, period. I hope to have one of your hats some day Charlie!

[gladhatter]

I keep hoping to have a couple of them as well but it never seems to happen. I do get the rejects that are experimented on but never quite finished but seems as if time never permits me to get a full blown finished hat. I have a beautiful dark rich grey on the block now for months and never get to work on it. I will get me a silver belly or maybe now one of them Silver Clouds for my burial hat. Hope to get to wear it out dancing a few times before I am put to rest in it how ever. :cool:

Charlie

[Jafo]

Does he make hats for Kevin Federline?

Who makes the best fedoras? I’ve bought too many “Official” hats that look like crap too soon after I buy them. I want to get one that lasts. I want to buy THE BEST with out spending a ton of money.

How much money is a ton? If you had a ton of $1 bills, how much would that be?

[VP]

About $250. http://www.adventurebilthats.com/

The rabbit isn't available anymore.

[M.C.]

Herbert Johnson from TODD's costume. still The most accurate thing ! even if the quality is not the same as the original, the color is very close !

[Jafo]

Link please?

[VP]

http://www.toddscostumes.com/indy/HJ%20Indiana%20Jones%20Fedora/herbert_johnson_fedora.htm"]http://www.toddscostumes.com/indy/HJ%20Indiana%20Jones%20Fedora/herbert_johnson_fedora.htm