Princess Sophie

[Junior Jones]

Vienna, November 1908

In this episode Indy tells of his first romance. As a boy he fell in love with Princess Sophie, daughter of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. At the end of the episode, during the "Old Indy" bookends, he is asked if he ever saw her again. He says, "Yes, but that's a story for another time."

I have been doing some research, and altough there is a lot written about Franz Ferdinand, there is not much about his family, especially after the assasination in 1914.

I did learn that Sophie Hohenburg lived until the mid-1970's. And that leaves a lot of opportunity for Indy to meet her again.

Is there anyone with better historical resources than myself who can suggest when Indy and Sophie may have met again?

[Finn]

Can be anytime. Since these people lost their royal status after the wars, there really is no limitations or possible meetings in the frames of some famous historic event.

I dunno why, but I somehow started to think of the sixties... I guess I just mentally placed it after the time Indy's grand adventures were over.

[raftailgunner]

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Sophie_von_Hohenberg) is about as much as i can find.

[Stoo]

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Sophie_von_Hohenberg) is about as much as i can find.According to this she died in 1990. Indy must have forgotten about her and stopped wearing the locket by 1935.
Can you picture them meeting again anytime after that?

Indy: I wore your locket for almost 20 years.
Sophie: Oh, Indy, don't exaggerate.

[Attila the Professor]

Well, I think she joined up with a hoighty-toighty Boston/Philadelphia family who didn't like it when she went into archaeology and mysticism...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5zhxX56T_M

[Kaczor]

The medallion with picture of Sophie saved Indy's life in "Oganga" episode but did you noticed that there was two different medallions? :D

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/402/03zc6.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9311/11ka9.jpg

[Attila the Professor]

Looks the same to me, just with the picture on the opposite side.

(Of course, the picture's different, but the hinge and the hook look the same.)

[Junior Jones]

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/9311/11ka9.jpg
I believe this is a picture of the real Sohpie Hohenburg. "German East Africa, 1916" was filmed prior to "Vienna, 1908" and I'm guessing that at the time they hadn't yet cast the part of young Sophie.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/402/03zc6.jpg
And this is a picture of the actress who played Sophie in "Vienna, 1908". Obviously not the same person, but a very good resemblance.

[Kaczor]

You are right. Picture of real pincess found on Wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/SophHabsb.JPG

:)

[IndyJr.]

The actress is cuter. :p

[IndyJr.]

Here's the facts...

After the assassination, she and her brothers were taken in by Prince Jaroslav von Thun und Hohenstein (their father's close friend) to live in Czechoslovakia (it actually became it's own separate nation in 1918) until 1918 when their property was confiscated. At that point the children moved to Vienna once again. There they stayed until 1938 when they were arrested by the Nazis and placed in a Bavarian Concentration Camp where they stayed for another 7 years until 1945. After that, I don't know.

Sophie married Count Friedrich von Nostitz-Rieneck on September 8, 1920 and they had four children.

Here's my scenario: Czechoslovakia become it's own nation away from Austro-Hungarian influence on October 28, 1918. According to the Ultimate Guide, in July of 1918, Indy was in Istanbul (correct your timeline, Raiders). Then there's a gap between July and November, where Indy and Remy left to search for the Eye of the Peacock. My idea is that Indy was sent on a mission as a spy into Austrian lands where he met Sophie, say around the beginning of October. Indy and Sophie fall in love, then Indy watches as they are forced out of the newly created Czechoslovakian Empire. Indy is called back to go on another mission... to bring in Rajendra Sing who is supposedly aiding the enemy.

[Stoo]

The medallion with picture of Sophie saved Indy's life in "Oganga" episode but did you noticed that there was two different medallions? :DIt could be 2 photographs, both cut to fit the locket and placed back-to-back.

In this episode Indy tells of his first romance. As a boy he fell in love with Princess Sophie, daughter of Archduke Franz Ferdinand. At the end of the episode, during the "Old Indy" bookends, he is asked if he ever saw her again. He says, "Yes, but that's a story for another time.""Did you ever see her again?"
"Of course, I did...mmph...*wink*...but that's another story!" (Exuent)
I believe this is a picture of the real Sohpie Hohenburg. "German East Africa, 1916" was filmed prior to "Vienna, 1908" and I'm guessing that at the time they hadn't yet cast the part of young Sophie.
Agreed. Look at the necklace!

After the assassination, she and her brothers were taken in by Prince Jaroslav von Thun und Hohenstein (their father's close friend) to live in Czechoslovakia (it actually became it's own separate nation in 1918) until 1918 when their property was confiscated. At that point the children moved to Vienna once again. There they stayed until 1938 when they were arrested by the Nazis and placed in a Bavarian Concentration Camp where they stayed for another 7 years until 1945. After that, I don't know.Maybe he ran into her after his operations in Flensburg? Indy traveled south to Bavaria and encountered Sophie freshly released from the camp...
Another chance-meeting scenario could have occurred before/after Indy's wacky telephone adventure in Prague.:p

[AnnieJones]

I did learn that Sophie Hohenburg lived until the mid-1970's. And that leaves a lot of opportunity for Indy to meet her again.

Actually,she died on October 27,1990 at the age of 89.

[AnnieJones]

"Did you ever see her again?"
"Of course, I did...mmph...*wink*...but that's another story!"

He did see her again,when he opened the locket after it(she)saved his life! LOL:D

[Insomniac]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h13/mrchilipepper/princezna_Sophie.jpg
Picture in locket
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h13/mrchilipepper/IMG_6743.jpg

Locket

http://www.bondsthejewellers.co.uk/html/category.php/id/200/page/5/jewellery/pendants/silver_pendants/silver_locket_pendants/silver_locket_pendants.html

[Stoo]

He did see her again,when he opened the locket after it(she)saved his life! LOLBwa-ha-ha!:D

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h13/mrchilipepper/princezna_Sophie.jpgNice find, Insomniac. This appears to be a painting but it's clearly the source of the one of the photos in the locket. So Junior Jones was right.

Since "Vienna" aired the year after "German East Africa", I used to think that the picture in locket was of a young Vicky Prentiss (or Nancy Stratemeyer).

[AnnieJones]

The locket was also seen in:
Young Indiana Jones and the Phantom Train of Doom
Young Indiana Jones and the Treasure of the Peacock's Eye
Young Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Blues(the only part of the locket I could see was the chain in this episode)
Young Indiana Jones and the Hollywood Follies

[vf wing]

Interesting that the wiki seems to suggest that her daughter is still alive. Some conscientious person should interview her before that sizeable chunk of history is lost to us!