Villians, why did it have to be villians... [Archive]

Rumpled Fedora

09-17-2004, 10:47 PM

I voted for Toht.
I think he was the coolest villian and I especially love the scene when he comes to Marion's bar. The music when he just opens the door of the Raven tells you that you're in for something sinister... MWAHAHAHAHA! http://www.indygear.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif

Indydan13

09-17-2004, 11:10 PM

My favorite scene of Toht is when he was screaming like a girl (along with Belloq) as the Ark was opened. That was funny, I always laugh at that scene. I bust up laughing everytime the 3 get what's comin to em...Melt, cave, and BOOM!

Rob "jones"

09-18-2004, 03:47 AM

lol how do you have a favourite villan ;) shouldnt it be most hated or something?

Indydan13

09-18-2004, 11:29 AM

favorite to hate, favorite to cheer....what's the difference. Without a villian, there would be no movie...and that would be a tragedy! ;)

Webley

09-18-2004, 11:30 AM

Never real thought of Chattar Lal as a real villian he was more like a lap dog for Mola Ram. A thorn in Doc Jones side.

vaxer

09-18-2004, 11:40 AM

Belloq biensure! The villan who's <i>supposed</i> to sound French.

Indydan13

09-18-2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by vaxer
Belloq biensure! The villan who's <i>supposed</i> to sound French.

What do you mean, "supposed to sound French"?

vaxer

09-18-2004, 08:40 PM

He says on the DVD bonus that he took a french accent to play Belloq. Where!? When!? He's sounds english to me. Actually he sounds everything but French. It's probably better that way though, the French accent sounds pretty ridicules if you ask me.

Also I don't know if you guys know this but before Paul Freeman, a French singer Jaques Dutronc was asked to play Belloq. he refused (he hardly spoke a word of english).

Attila the Professor

09-18-2004, 08:47 PM

Belloq has the most depth...and incidentally, the word is villain.

Chattar Lal

09-18-2004, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Attila the Professor
Belloq has the most depth

Why do you say that?

For me, Belloq is the most humane of the villains. He feels sorry for Marion when she is thrown into the Well of Souls. He doesn't kill Indy during the bar scene because of the children. He only uses the Nazis to get the ark. In some ways he's a nicer person than Indy...

Attila the Professor

09-18-2004, 09:06 PM

You've made my argument for me, Chatter Lal, or at least enough of it to be convincing.

Indydan13

09-18-2004, 09:08 PM

1. I suck at spelling

2. Way to go Chatt! ;)

Jordana

09-18-2004, 10:32 PM

First of all, hello! I'm new :) Not sure of the etiquette around here-should I make an introductory post somewhere else on the forums? Anyway, I've been lurking for a while, and finally got round to registering.....*waves to everyone*

Originally posted by vaxer
He says on the DVD bonus that he took a french accent to play Belloq. Where!? When!? He's sounds english to me. Actually he sounds everything but French. It's probably better that way though, the French accent sounds pretty ridicules if you ask me.

Funny you should say that; as I rewatched RoTLA on TV a couple of weeks ago I was thinking how GOOD Paul Freeman's French accent was :) It's fairly subtle, which I think is fitting for the character, a man who has probably spent a lot of his time away from his native country. Also, the French accent is particularly prone to being badly imitated, an effect which is greater when an actor tries to lay it on thick.
I certainly don't think he sounds English, though. Listen closely to the way he pronounces words like "I", "my" and "idiot", for example....
And yep, he's my favourite villain :) Like Chattar Lal said above, he has a sympathetic side. I like Hitler too (not in real life though!) if only because the autograph scene was so funny :)

Deadlock

09-18-2004, 10:53 PM

What?!? Elsa didn't make the list??? Who needs depth when you've got curves like a road through the Austrian Alps??? :D

Welcome to the Raven, Jordana, where the mods are old and the wine is somwhat questionable... Or was that the other way around? ;)

Indydan13

09-18-2004, 11:05 PM

Those curves are sharp enough to kill a man (in Elsa's case...literally). Welcome Jordana, to the Raven. I'm fairly new myself, and this site rocks!

Deadlock, I unfortunetly have not been here long enough to poke fun at the mods but I neither agree nor disagree ;)

I always thought Belloq was really a frenchman (Paul Freeman i mean) until I was about 12 (2 years ago)...

Chattar Lal

09-18-2004, 11:07 PM

I would have voted for Elsa if she’d been on the poll.
I don't like fast women…

Indydan13

09-18-2004, 11:13 PM

I only didn't put her on because I didn't consider her a villian

I mean, she did bad things for bad reasons, but for a good cause on the wrong side...and I forgot

Not to mention I can't edit the poll for some reason...

Attila the Professor

09-19-2004, 12:32 AM

Well...Vaxer is French, so he speaks with some authority.

Welcome to the Raven, by the way.

QuantumGirl

09-19-2004, 07:22 AM

Belloq absolutly. I likes the fact that the did put some humanity into his character, which you can see for instance whenever Marion is pushed to Indy into the well of souls.

vaxer

09-19-2004, 07:50 AM

Welcome Jordana!

Actually I've relistened to his accent and I'll admit that he sounds Europeen. He's just not pronouncing the 'R' right (he rolls them or something). Maybe he speaks like a French that spent his whole life in england. My dad who works in the US has a very stong french accent, it's horrible!

09-19-2004, 01:14 PM

I can edit the poll. Just tell me.

BTW, it's villain.

EvilDevo

09-19-2004, 06:21 PM

it was a tough choice... but i picked donovan in the end
how can you shoot henry jones? EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!
plus hes deceitful and uncaring

Indydan13

09-19-2004, 07:00 PM

VP, can u please?

Could u change the spelling, add Hitler, Elsa, and change so u can vote numerous times (to make it fair)..please?

Thank u

Jordana

09-19-2004, 07:24 PM

Thanks for the welcome everyone :)

Vaxer, I suppose someone in Belloq's line of work has travelled widely, so I think it's probable that his accent has been diluted/distorted, like you say :)

Elsa....I liked her myself, sort of a semi-villain, I suppose. She was certainly an improvement on the other blonde Indy girl *shudder*

How about the Monkey? Does he/she count as a villain? It was pretty cute for a baddie :)

09-20-2004, 04:50 AM

Originally posted by Indydan13
Could u change so u can vote numerous times (to make it fair)..please?

Not possible. But I can add votes.

Indydan13

09-20-2004, 04:36 PM

Thank you very much!

Luckylighter

09-21-2004, 03:50 PM

I'm starting to like this Jordana girl (you ARE a girl, right?). Welcome aboard, have you met the droolers, yet? If not, you will. Trust me. ;)

Anyway, I voted for Toht because out of all the villains, to me he represents the spirit of the old cliffhanger villains--dark trench coat, dark hat, creepy voice and laugh, beady eyes, and there is more of an air of mystery about him than with Belloq, who wears his heart on his sleeve.

Toht is just so...sinister.

EDIT: By the way, what about Panama Hat? Why isn't he on there? Or Pat Roach's German Mechanic?

Rumpled Fedora

09-21-2004, 04:45 PM

Yea!
Another vote for Toht.

Indydan13

09-21-2004, 04:45 PM

Panama Hat and The Mechanic are not on here because bad as they may be, they had minute roles that were more of obsticles than crucial parts of the story. Chattar tried to put a blindfold over Indy's eyes, Toht gave Belloq crucuial evidence on the ark ("heil hitler" *revealing burn on hand*) and so on and so forth. If in that case, you want to mention them, then we might as well mention all of the Nazis, thuggees, and other assorted bad guys as well.

Jordana

09-23-2004, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Luckylighter
[B]I'm starting to like this Jordana girl (you ARE a girl, right?). Welcome aboard, have you met the droolers, yet? If not, you will. Trust me. ;)

Hi there :) Yep, I'm a girl....thanks for the welcome.
Who are these droolers you speak of? I'm curious.

09-23-2004, 03:59 AM

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?threadid=6129

Check that out.

Jordana

09-23-2004, 08:27 PM

*ROFL* :) :) :)

That is one long (and funny) thread. I've always liked Harrison Ford, without actively fancying him....still....some of those piccies were sort of cool. Might have to drop in there and say hi.

Andy Jones

09-24-2004, 04:40 PM

Belloq

Strider

09-26-2004, 10:45 AM

Toht. He's just so classicly evil.

disney_fanatic

09-26-2004, 03:05 PM

I'd voted for Mola Rom, because he really brought the darkness and fun into "Temple of Doom".

BTW, I'm new here. The name's disney_fanatic. I know it sounds kinda weird, a Disney fan in an Indy forum, but remember that there are two Indy attractions in two separate parks.:)

Indydan13

09-26-2004, 03:27 PM

Welcome to the Raven and Forbidden Eye was an awesome ride.

BTW: Mola Ram was a great villain who was fun to watch.

09-27-2004, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by disney_fanatic
I know it sounds kinda weird, a Disney fan in an Indy forum, but remember that there are two Indy attractions in two separate parks.:)

Four. One in Disneyland, one in Disney World, One in Disneyland Paris and one in Disneyland Tokyo.

Welcome.

Indydan13

09-27-2004, 09:31 PM

I didn't know about the last two.

westford

09-29-2004, 07:08 PM

Belloq - he's the closest thing Indy has to an arch-nemesis.

Jordana

09-29-2004, 08:17 PM

True-it always seemed to me that he was the only villain who was more or less on Indy's own level, a sort of darker version of Indy himself, as he pointed out during their conversation in the Cairo bar. None of Indy's subsequent adversaries were as well matched to him, in my opinion.
I heard that Belloq was originally supposed to appear in ToD as well, until Lucas and Spielberg changed their minds and opted for a different story. I can't help but feel that they made a mistake. Not only would he have been a better villain, but it would have added some more continuity to the trilogy. I'd like to have seen Marion again in TLC also...why dipose of the best characters after just one film?

Starchaeologist

09-29-2004, 10:19 PM

Belloq was a fine antagonist and had a great portrayal by Paul Freeman. Rivals make great villains and this character was written superbly. The Cairo bar scene between Jones and Belloq is one the most inspired dialogue pieces of the film!

IAdventurer01

10-03-2004, 12:55 PM

Belloq: Not sure what hasn't been said!

I guess just because Belloq is the closest to Indy's equal. Everyone else, tough, but not nearly enough.

Original Raider

10-07-2004, 01:34 PM

Elsa, hands down. Women always were Indy's one weakness.

Finn

10-08-2004, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Jordana
Why dipose of the best characters after just one film? I guess we'll have to wait and see the fourth installment...

Ska

10-08-2004, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Finn
I guess we'll have to wait and see the fourth installment...

...what the hell does that mean?

*Thinking back to the trilogy endings*

ROTLA: Belloq's head exploded; he's gone for good. Toht's face melted, leaving him with as much a chance of returning as Belloq.

TOD: Mola Ram fell how many stories, bouncing off rocks, and into a croc-infested river. His chances for survival are about a billion to one, and only Jones could overcome those odds. Chatter Lal was kicked out of the Raven, so I don't see him returning anytime soon. Oh...wrong CL!

LC: You all saw what happened to Donovan! And unless there was a nice, soft bed at the bottom of the crevice, Elsa will be underneath that temple for eternity (unfortunately).

10-08-2004, 09:02 AM

If there was a nice, soft bed at the bottom of the crevice, how could Elsa get up from there?

Ska

10-08-2004, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by VP
If there was a nice, soft bed at the bottom of the crevice, how could Elsa get up from there?

The REAL question is, if there was a nice, soft bed at the bottom of the crevice, how could I get down there?

;)

Thanks for the set-up, VP!

Luckylighter

10-08-2004, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by SKAbatula
The REAL question is, if there was a nice, soft bed at the bottom of the crevice, how could I get down there?;)

You mean as long as Elsa is on the bed, too, right? ;)

Or are you just looking for a nice, soft bed in general?

Perhaps you should try a Sealy Posturepedic. Or a Craftmatic.

;)

Ska

10-08-2004, 11:59 AM

Haha...I meant w/ Elsa. I don't think I'd fall down any crevice just for a bed.

But enough about crevices, beds, and Elsa...getting off topic, sorry.

So whatdidyamean by the "wait until Indy IV" comment? I'm confused, or was that the point?

BTW, I think the greatest Villan was Belloq. Nothing ever beats the original villan. He was the most like Jones. Belloq just joined up with the wrong team.

10-08-2004, 12:10 PM

Villan villan. Villaa saa lampaista. Villasta tulee pehmeitä ja lämpimiä talvikamppeita.

Ska

10-08-2004, 01:22 PM

???

Something about wool being soft and warm?

Indydan13

10-08-2004, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by SKAbatula

BTW, I think the greatest Villan was Belloq. Nothing ever beats the original villan. He was the most like Jones. Belloq just joined up with the wrong team.

Isn't that the case with all Indy villains?

Belloq is established, Nazis decided to follow Hitler as well as Donovan and Elsa, and Mola Ram and all other thuggees undoubtedly drank the blood and became coockoo for cocoa puffs...

Ska

10-08-2004, 04:02 PM

True, but Belloq was a fellow archeologist, unlike Mola Ram and Donovan.

Finn

10-08-2004, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by SKAbatula
Mola Ram fell how many stories, bouncing off rocks, and into a croc-infested river. Well, if we go outside the movies, Von Beck did pull off that stunt in ET...

Originally posted by VP
Villan villan. Villaa saa lampaista. Villasta tulee pehmeitä ja lämpimiä talvikamppeita. Spelling cop on loose again, have we?

10-09-2004, 05:03 AM

Yep yep. Villa is wool in Finnish.

the Whip Master

10-22-2004, 10:13 AM

I voted for Belloq

ElodieJones

10-22-2004, 02:44 PM

I prefer Belloq!!!

Because he is an archaeologist.
He know Indy since a long time.
He is French.
He is the best adversary.

Jordana

10-24-2004, 03:59 PM

I thought Belloq was the best looking villain as well, though I'll probably get laughed at for saying that ;)

Indydan13

10-24-2004, 06:50 PM

Well...you are!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! BELLOQ AND JORDANA KISSING IN A TREE....LOL!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Jordana

10-25-2004, 10:24 PM

Grrrrr.....cheeky pup :p :)

I can't help that I have a thing for villains. Besides, I liked his hat ;) (not that Indy's hat wasn't also cool)

Original Raider

10-26-2004, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Jordana
Grrrrr.....cheeky pup :p :)

I can't help that I have a thing for villains. Besides, I liked his hat ;) (not that Indy's hat wasn't also cool)

Cheeky Pup??? Watch your language Jordana, this is a family forum ;) :p