Unfilmed episodes of Young Indy

[Stoo]

Junior Jones has a nice timeline for Indy on his website:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/page2.html

I'm curious to know about the dates that follow "Hollywood Follies",
since that is the last episode in YIJC. Where did you get the info
on these?

Honduras - December 1920
Alaska - June 1921
Brazil - December 1921

[Junior Jones]

Years ago, Indyfan.com (http://www.indyfan.com) had an article up called the Young Indy that Could Have Been. It was by a production assistant who had worked on The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles and the article listed some episodes that had reached some level of development but had never been filmed. There are supposedly dusty, old script drafts of these eps somewhere in the Lucasfilm archive.

The page isn't up at Indyfan.com anymore, but luckily I printed it out and its at home in my folder of fanfic ideas.

[Stoo]

Wow! Very interesting. I'm assuming these others are from the same list?
I know Le Havre was mentioned in the show but wasn't aware there was a
planned episode.

Le Havre - June 1916
Berlin - Late August 1916
Moscow - March 1918
Bombay - April 1919
Buenos Aires - June 1919
Havana - December 1919

Thank you very much for the information, Junior Jones!

[BrodyIsDead]

Hi, everyone :D

I've stumbled across an Indy timeline on the net at:

http://forums.nightly.net/lofiversion/index.php/t20757.html

and on this it mentions "unfilmed episodes" of the Young Indy TV series.

I've never read anything about these before - can anyone help a fellow Raven patron out by pointing me in the direction of a book or website that might expand on these "lost" episodes further?

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[Moedred]

The summaries you read are about all that exists, that I've seen. I don't even know if they were scripted. Looks like they wanted to add a 5-year-old Indy, and team twentysomething Indy with Belloq.

[BrodyIsDead]

Yeah, it's a shame there's not more out there - does this mean the Young Indy series was "cancelled" before Lucas got to finish it, then, I wonder?

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[Aaron H]

Most of the stories were scripted, there were even a few that had scenes already shot for 'em. Then Lucas got word that they had been canned. Oh, well, that's show biz.

[Raiders112390]

Those unfilmed episodes of the Young Indy Chronicles sound really really interesting. I hope Lucas films them someday. The series ends very anticlimatically with a crappy episode, before we see Indy make the change from the YIJC Indy to the Indy of ToD, which is what we would've seen in these episodes:

December, 1920: On break from school Indy travels to Honduras on a search for the famous crystal skulls. Indy befriends a fellow young Archaeology student named Rene Belloq (who will become one of his greatest enemies). Belloq steals a crystal skull and sells it. (The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones – Unfilmed episode.)

While in Honduras the local authorities accuse Indy of being a graverobber rather then an archaeologist. Indy would latter claim that the newspapers greatly exaggerated the incident. (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom / Conjecture.)

June, 1921: On summer vacation from school Indy travels to Alaska to study Eskimo culture. Indy ends up having to rush medical supplies by dog sled to save a village. During this adventure Indy learns how to use a Bullwhip and decides to adopt it as part of his adventure gear. (The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones – Unfilmed episode.)

December, 1921: Indy teams up with Rene Belloq to find a lost city in Brazil, along the way they meet Charles Fawcett. (The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones – Unfilmed episode.)

[Moedred]

If Lucas wants to put edutainment in front of kids, he should skip tv and give the scripts to Dark Horse comics.

[BrodyIsDead]

http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=10311

Looks like we have two threads on the same thing going on here...

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[Alexandria]

Interesting, very interesting. :hat:

[Henry Jones Junior]

Belloq would have been cool.

[Urmel]

Here are some more facts about the young Indiana Jones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Indiana_Jones

[MissDefense]

Yeah,there were some interesting episodes written but never got to film them,the show was cancelled.
In the timeline you mention there are some mistakes anyway. The Russia episode was actually filmed,and the Mystery of the blues happens in 1920 not 1916.

Edit: my mistake the 1909 Russia was a new one.

[Adamwankenobi]

Lucas should take these unfilmed stories and have a group of talented authors novelize and/or comic... ize them like he did his unfilmed Willow stories which he had Chris Claremont turn into a trilogy of novels. :D

[Matinee Idyll]

I'd love for them to get Flannery back after Indy IV (not sure how old he looks now) and film a couple more episodes... Particularly if there are Raiders/Ark connections in Indy 4.

"Had the series been renewed for a third season, Young Indy would have been introduced to younger versions of characters from Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981): Abner Ravenwood ('Jerusalem, June 1909') and René Belloq ('Honduras, December 1920'). Other episodes would have filled in the blanks between existing ones ('Le Havre, June 1916', 'Berlin, Late August, 1916'), and there would even have been some adventures starring a five year old Indy (Including 'Princeton, May 1905')."

[oki9Sedo]

I'd love for them to get Flannery back after Indy IV (not sure how old he looks now) and film a couple more episodes... Particularly if there are Raiders/Ark connections in Indy 4.

"Had the series been renewed for a third season, Young Indy would have been introduced to younger versions of characters from Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981): Abner Ravenwood ('Jerusalem, June 1909') and René Belloq ('Honduras, December 1920'). Other episodes would have filled in the blanks between existing ones ('Le Havre, June 1916', 'Berlin, Late August, 1916'), and there would even have been some adventures starring a five year old Indy (Including 'Princeton, May 1905')."

Seeing as Flannery is is older than Harrison was when he did Raiders, he couldn't exactly do that.

[Matinee Idyll]

...with some creative makeup ;)

Yes, silly idea... disregard it.

[Moedred]

Lucas should take these unfilmed stories and have a group of talented authors
...write the Indy 4 script? Sounds like they did, And next summer we'll pay to watch scraps from what would have been season 3 (http://www.indyfan.com/articles/yijchb.html)...
Jerusalem, June 1909 - Indy meets Abner Ravenwood looking for the Ark on the temple mount.
Honduras, December 1920 - Indy meets Belloq and they become friends. Belloq steals a crystal skull and sells it.
Brazil, December 1921 - Indy and Belloq meet Charles Fawcett to find a lost city.

[metalinvader]

What a shame the Belloq and Abner episodes were never filmed.I wonder if Marion would have appeared in the Abner episode?

[Violet Indy]

No scripted unfilmed episode from 1926? Damn. No Marion otherwise

[Raiders112390]

The "Lost Episodes" of the YIJC (Jerusalem 1909, Honduras 1920, Brazil 1921) are, at least in my opinion, the "Holy Grail' of the Indiana Jones series. For me, if these had been produced, the world of Indiana Jones would be complete.
My question is to you: Do you think we'll ever see these stories in some form?

[vf wing]

I believe Indy will return to the small screen at some point, probably via an animated series. There was too much unfinished business from the first time around for Lucas not to return to it. In animation, he has no real restrictions, so he could conceivably visit Indy in any era, jumping around his chronology... much like the first show and to some degree Clone Wars.

I'm really "jonesing" to see his early encounters with Belloq. Not to mention what he was up to during WWII. Perhaps some closure with Short Round or a new adventure with Remy. There is soooo much storytelling potential, it would be a tragedy not to give us these chapters!

[LostArk]

I always wanted to see these episodes ever since I learned about them. Lucas should start focusing on the Indy EU more.

[Lance Quazar]

They really should have done the Belloq episode - or brought him into the fold in some form - in one of the TV movies after the show's cancellation.

SUCH a missed opportunity!!!

[phantom train]

I believe Indy will return to the small screen at some point, probably via an animated series. There was too much unfinished business from the first time around for Lucas not to return to it. In animation, he has no real restrictions, so he could conceivably visit Indy in any era, jumping around his chronology... much like the first show and to some degree Clone Wars.

I'm really "jonesing" to see his early encounters with Belloq. Not to mention what he was up to during WWII. Perhaps some closure with Short Round or a new adventure with Remy. There is soooo much storytelling potential, it would be a tragedy not to give us these chapters!

Hopefully IJ will return at some point in an animated format, preferably telling stories that start off where the YIJC series ended (i.e., Fall 1920-on). I also think that the only way a new IJ TV show would work would be in an animated format at this point - SPF is too old to portray IJ in his early 20's, and I don't think having another actor in that role would work.

[Stoo]

I'm not really big on fan fiction but did enjoy the stories by Junior Jones in his thread, Lost Tales (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=6054&highlight=Lost+Tales).
Maybe one day he'll get around writing the Jerusalem/Abner one.;) I have a lot of good info and
images for that particular "lost" episode and have been working on a cover graphic. Looking for a
good photo of a young, Wilford Brimley (because of Hugh Fleming's interpretation of Abner).
Anyone got one?

It would have also been great to see "Alaska, June 1921" because I think that is supposed to be
the point where he adopts the whip after using it on his dog-sled adventure.:whip:

[Junior Jones]

I'm not really big on fan fiction but did enjoy the stories by Junior Jones in his thread, Lost Tales (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=6054&highlight=Lost+Tales).
Maybe one day he'll get around writing the Jerusalem/Abner one.

Thanks for the mention, Stoo. Eventually I'd like to do all the lost Chronicles stories, including the Belloq and Abner adventures. I've done some preliminary research for Jerusalem, but there are some historical inaccuracies/conflicts that need to be worked through.

The "Lost Episodes" of the YIJC (Jerusalem 1909, Honduras 1920, Brazil 1921) are, at least in my opinion, the "Holy Grail' of the Indiana Jones series.

And that makes them the most daunting to tackle in fan fiction. It's easy to write about the time Indy met Harry Houdini, but Indy's first encounter with Belloq is something most fans will have a strong opinion about.

[AnnieJones]

I wonder if this website is correct: http://www.indyfan.com/articles/yijchb.html
Does anyone here on The Raven know?

[Junior Jones]

It's mostly the same information that was discussed earlier in this thread, just worded differently.

[Rocket Surgeon]

Hi, everyone :D
I've stumbled across an Indy timeline on the net at:http://forums.nightly.net/lofiversion/index.php/t20757.html
and on this it mentions "unfilmed episodes" of the Young Indy TV series.
I've never read anything about these before - can anyone help a fellow Raven patron out by pointing me in the direction of a book or website that might expand on these "lost" episodes further?
:hat:

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www.cgallan.blogspot.com

I haven't checked out the links on this thread, but here's one you might like:

http://www.starwars.com/community/news/films/f20080407/index.html

[Stoo]

In another thread, Tash asked:
As described, Laird Malamed's episode assignment sheets tally pretty well with the above - anyone notice any interesting discontinuities?I've spotted 2 differences.

Laird Malamed: "Berlin, late August 1916"
Pablo Hidalgo: ---not listed---

Laird Malamed: "Moscow, March 1918"
Pablo Hidalgo: "Moscow, July 1919" (but later lists it as July 1918)
(Because of the historical events involved, July 1918 would be the correct/most fitting date.)

Laird Malamed's notes are from August 1992
Pablo Hidalgo's info comes from 8 February 1993

For more conversation on the unfilmed episodes.

Ideas for a new season of Young Indy (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=11674&highlight=Honduras)
The Other Stories - Canon? (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=12233&highlight=Honduras)
The Lost Episodes (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=17990&highlight=Honduras)
Missing Episodes? (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=8458&highlight=Honduras)

[Moedred]

Thanks Stoo, I rolled those last 2 threads into this one (even though that can mess with some people's subscribed threads...) Last year's StarWars.com article is excellent. Here are their detailed unproduced episodes. They should draw a few to round out a potential YIJC comics omnibus!

#37 "Princeton, May 1905"
Indy is five years old, and he and his friends have a funny, charming adventure that begins with Indy organizing an event to raise money for a vase he has broken, culminating in a search for buried pirate's treasure and the capture of some hoboes who are wanted by the police.

#35 "Geneva, May 1909"
Indy meets Henri Dunant, the elderly uncle of a friend, who tells him the story of the Red Cross. While on a mission to visit Louis-Napoleon in Italy to ask his assistance in a business deal, he views Louis-Napoleon and the Austrians in battle. Going across the battlefield to meet him, he sees the carnage and stops to help, the original mission forgotten. He looks for the hospital tent, which has been blow up, along with many medical people trying to save lives. Dunant formulates a plan for a neutral organization that would take care of people after a battle and would have a recognizable symbol for hospitals and medical personnel. After much work, Switzerland agrees to sponsor a conference composed of European leaders, and the Red Cross is formed.

#33 "Jerusalem, June 1909"
Indy visits Jerusalem. His father goes off on a separate trip to visit Crusader castles. Indy is disappointed to be left behind, but Abner Ravenwood, an archeologist, invites Indy to spend time with him. Indy meets Montague Parker, who offers to let Indy work at his dig. Parker is secretly searching for the Ark of the Covenant but needs a map of the ancient tunnels, which Ravenwood has. Parker talks Indy into "borrowing" the map, which shows that the Ark is below the Temple Mount. He and his men, disguised as Arabs, enter the temple and begin excavating, but are discovered. The temple keeper brings a large mob of locals, which chases Parker's group of out of the city. Ravenwood explains to Indy that the Ark is not believed to be under the Temple Mount, but elsewhere, and someday a real archaeologist will find it.

#30 "Stockholm, December 1909"
In Stockholm, Indy and his parents attend the Nobel ceremony honoring the writer Selma Lagerlof. Indy falls asleep and enters a fantasy where he is only five inches high and rides around on the back of a goose getting into a series of ecological adventures with several types of wild animals.

#36 "Tokyo, April 1910"
Indy visits Peers School in Tokyo, where his father is teaching. He meets a Samurai instructor, who will teach him the ways of Japan. They discuss the importance of education and information about Japanese society. On a trip to the coast, Indy meets a local fisherman and discusses the mystery of the ocean. Indy meets young Hirohito (age 10) and explores tide pools with him; they talk about interdependence of species. Indy and Hirohito go whale-watching and have an encounter with a shark; the Samurai exhibits bravery in saving them.

#38 "Le Havre, June 1916"
Indy and Remy are at basic training in the Belgian Army at Le Havre, France. Their sergeant is a very tough, nefarious character who gives all the men a difficult time, but he is particularly abusive to Indy, which angers Remy. At the end of training, the men are celebrating and drinking at a bar, and the sergeant is later found dead. Remy is charged with his murder. Indy defends him at his court martial.

#41 "Moscow, July 1918"
Indy is working in French Intelligence in Moscow on the eve of the Allied invasion at Archangel in North Russia. He is assigned to assist Sidney Reilly, who is working with counter-revolutionaries to try to destabilize the Bolsheviks from within. Indy encounters Rosa, whom he met in Russia in 1917; she is also working with Rielly. Indy and Reilly have dangerous encounters with the Cheka (a special commission to deal with counter-revolution) in an attempt to rescue a general who has been arrested. Reilly has a secret plan unknown to the British, French and Americans to take over Moscow, but Lenin is then shot, and all the conspirators must flee for their lives. Rosa helps Indy escape.

#43 "Bombay, April 1919"
Indy and Remy, on a stopover from New Guinea, are in Bombay, broke and down-and-out. While Remy continues to search for clues to the treasure, Indy stays with an old friend of the family (famed Indian poet Rabindranath Tagore), who gives him a job translating a book of Gandhi's. Indy hears Gandhi speak and eventually meets him at his ashram near Bombay. He witnesses riots as a result of the general repression, and he hears of the massacre by the British at Amritsar. Indy and Remy have a disagreement over continuing to look for the treasure, as Indy wants to return to college. Indy learns first-hand the price of violence.

#44 "Buenos Aires, June 1919"
Trying to board a ship from France to New York, Indy is robbed and beaten and ends up on a ship to Argentina. He decides to earn money as a tutor to get money for his passage to America. He meets a young Argentine man who makes his living as a tango dancer, and tutors him in English, the arts, history, etc. In exchange, the boy teaches Indy the tango. The dancer is in love with a young woman whose father thinks he will never amount to anything, and Indy helps him solve the problem. In turn, the dancer helps Indy pursue an Argentinian woman to whom he is attracted.

#45 "Havana, December 1919"
Indy, a freshman at the University of Chicago, gets a request from his father to spend Christmas with friends in Havana. Indy meets Cristobal Torriente, and they become friends. The story revolves around an exhibition baseball game where a white American team (which includes Babe Ruth) comes to play an integrated Cuban team. Indy learns about racism in the U.S. National Leagues. During the game, Cristobal gets the chance to play against Babe Ruth. However, he knows his dream of playing in the Major Leagues will not be realized, even though he outplays Ruth.

#48 "Honduras, December 1920"
Indy is on a field trip with art historian Herbert Spinden at Mayan ruins in Honduras. They first arrive at a Honduran port and meet some Banana Republic types before they start. Indy meets Belloq for the first time, and they begin a friendly relationship. They travel to the ruins of a Mayan city, and Indy and Belloq try to decipher Mayan hieroglyphs at the ball court, as well as discussing possible rituals and sacrifices. They discover a perfect crystal skull, which Belloq steals and sells to Frederick Mitchell-Hedges, a British adventurer.

#49 "Alaska, June 1921"
Indy is on an expedition with his professor, an American anthropologist, to study Eskimos in a region east of Nome near the Arctic Circle. There they meet Nellie Cashman and Dr. Joseph Romig. Indy meets the villagers, gets to know them, learns about sledding and the care of the dog team, goes on a hunt with them, and learns about their customs. The villagers are stricken by a contagious disease, and serum must be rushed to them by dog sled so that they can be inoculated.

#50 "Brazil, December 1921"
Indy and Belloq go on an adventure with Charles Fawcett to find a lost city in the jungle of the Mato Grosso region of Brazil. The trek starts in Bahia, and they come across a group of American confederates living on a plantation there, witness rituals of the Candbomble religion, and encounter fierce Indians in the interior. Indy and Belloq are captured, and they separate in their escape attempt. Indy has an adventure that relates to the lost city.

[InexorableTash]

Of these, the two I wish were adapted in some way are:

"Jerusalem, June 1909"
"Le Havre, June 1916"

The first because it's such a tie to the films, and the second because it's an implied story in the series but never seen. The later episodes with Belloq would be cool, but parts of the story were adapted for KOCS so would *now* seem themselves derivative.

From the other list, I'd love to see "Berlin, late August 1916" because I enjoyed that plot arc, although I'm not sure the episode would have been particularly memorable. Watching Indy escape is always fun, however.

[Lance Quazar]

It just kills me that they weren't able to do the Belloq episodes.

They should have made it an imperative to include Belloq in the post-series movies. He would have been perfect for "Peacock's Eye."

CRAP!!!

[Stoo]

Thanks Stoo, I rolled those last 2 threads into this one (even though that can mess with some people's subscribed threads...) Last year's StarWars.com article is excellent. Here are their detailed unproduced episodes. They should draw a few to round out a potential YIJC comics omnibus!Thanks to you, too, Moedred!:hat: I would love to see these in comic form. (Heck, if they won't be used in any official capacity, I'd collaborate with Junior Jones and do some.);)
I'm not really big on fan fiction but did enjoy the stories by Junior Jones in his thread, Lost Tales (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=6054&highlight=Lost+Tales). Maybe one day he'll get around writing the Jerusalem/Abner one. I have a lot of good info and images for that particular "lost" episode and have been working on a cover graphic. Looking for a good photo of a young, Wilford Brimley (because of Hugh Fleming's interpretation of Abner). Anyone got one?Here's a ROUGH, UNFINISHED look. The guy with the hat is Montague Parker, the other man is Walter Juvelius (who is not mentioned in the synopsis but would most likely be part of the story). I've found a few pictures of a younger W.Brimley for Abner but they aren't very good. This is the one I want to see MOST of all!

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/1909_June_Jerusalem.jpg

Of these, the two I wish were adapted in some way are:

"Jerusalem, June 1909"
"Le Havre, June 1916"

The first because it's such a tie to the films, and the second because it's an implied story in the series but never seen. The later episodes with Belloq would be cool, but parts of the story were adapted for KOCS so would *now* seem themselves derivative.Le Havre is mentioned in "London" before he goes but the only time it's talked about after the fact is in "Northern Italy" and there's nothing really about the story. Are you referring to the events in Flanders that are discussed in the "Somme" episode, Tash? That's a different story. Jerusalem is also mentioned in "Peacock's Eye"! Aaaargh!

Re: "Honduras" episode w/Belloq.
If you think about it, the diner conversation in "Skull" essentially negates the crystal skull element of the story, which is unfortunate (although, that could be worked around).
From the other list, I'd love to see "Berlin, late August 1916" because I enjoyed that plot arc, although I'm not sure the episode would have been particularly memorable. Watching Indy escape is always fun, however.#?? "Berlin, Late August 1916."
This was to be a third part in the Somme - Germany cycle following Indy's capture in Somme, through his escape from prison and to his then his escape from Germany itself. Indy has to decide between returning to the US (since we are not at war with them yet) or returning to the Belgium Army - which he does. The main character from history is Sigrid Schultz. (Laird Malamed/Micah Johnson notes)

Looking at the missing numbers between #38-#41 from Pablo Hidalgo's list, "Somme" and "Germany" fill the gap leaving no room for "Berlin". Perhaps it was abandoned early on?:confused:

It probably would've been one of the more mellow episodes and perhaps another love story. Sigrid Schultz was only 23 at the time, studying history and law at the Berlin University and a likely candidate for some more romancing from young Indy (that smoothie). One thing we do know about what happens after the bicycle escape in Germany is described by Old Indy in the bookends. "I ran across the German countryside as though the Devil, himself, were on my tail. At last I spotted this lovely farmhouse among the hills..."

http://www.goddesscafe.com/FEMJOUR/schultz.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8b/WHS_Image_ID_48643.jpg/180px-WHS_Image_ID_48643.jpg

[Moedred]

One thing we do know about what happens after the bicycle escape in Germany is described by Old Indy in the bookends. "I ran across the German countryside as though the Devil, himself, were on my tail. At last I spotted this lovely farmhouse among the hills..."
That's an homage to the Last Crusade draft ending, before the "named after the dog" conversation was placed there instead. It concludes simply:

Brody: "We have no water. Can we make it back before the heat of midday?"
Sallah: Yes. If we ride like like the devil himself was on our tail."
Indy: "And maybe he is."

I think young Indy in South America (Buenos Aires, Honduras, Brazil) is impossible. Abner and Belloq episodes could have been monumental, or they could have been desperate. The two comics I'd like to see drawn as single issues and inserted into an omnibus are
Le Havre, June 1916
Somme, Early August 1916 (Trenches of Hell, no comic)
Germany, Mid August 1916 (Trenches of Hell, no comic)
Berlin, Late August, 1916
Verdun, September 1916 (Demons of Deception, 2-part comic)

Edit: and at the end of Le Harve, Old Indy's grandkids could say "aw, you're just retelling stuff you watched Monday nights on ABC!" (In the way comic book characters shamelessly plug twinkies and so forth.) So he points the remote and says "fine, ya got me, let's watch "Trenches of Hell" to see what happens next!" :)

[Crack that whip]

Re: "Honduras" episode w/Belloq.
If you think about it, the diner conversation in "Skull" essentially negates the crystal skull element of the story, which is unfortunate (although, that could be worked around).

I'd thought of that myself, although I don't think it's so much of a problem with the actual movie; I believe it's more of an issue with the novelization.

I noted the issue myself in one of my little attempts at contributing to the Indiana Jones wiki, here (http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Mitchell-Hedges_Skull):

An unproduced episode of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles was written for the show's third season that would have featured the Mitchell-Hedges Skull and helped strengthen the ties between the TV series and the movies. In this planned episode, Indy was to have his first encounter with René Belloq while the two were archaeology students in university together, and they would discover a crystal skull while on an archaeological field trip in Central America. In the story, Belloq steals the skull and sells it to Mitchell-Hedges, thus igniting both the legend of the Mitchell-Hedges skull and the years of rivalry between Indy and Belloq. The novelization of Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull appears to preclude the possibility of the events of this episode having taken place; during the diner scene in which Indy discusses the skull with Mutt, the narrative specifically describes the skull as having been found by Mitchell-Hedges in 1926, and even notes that Indy "had been trying to get a peek at the skull for years" but had been rebuffed. The actual film, however, is less specific in relating the skull's history, with Indy mentioning simply that he and Harold Oxley had been obsessed with it in college (and later noting that Oxley's carvings of the Crystal Skull of Akator on the walls of his room in the Nazca sanitorium were clearly not of the Mitchell-Hedges skull). This suggests the film continuity (if not the novel) is compatible with that of the unproduced episode, though it doesn't offer any specific support for it.

When writing this I went back and checked out both the movie and novel presentations of the diner scene and everything it had to say about the Mitchell-Hedges skull, and found the movie account - in my humble opinion :hat: - really doesn't preclude the events of the planned episode (or what we know about it, anyway) from happening, though unfortunately the novel certainly does.

[InexorableTash]

Le Havre is mentioned in "London" before he goes but the only time it's talked about after the fact is in "Northern Italy" and there's nothing really about the story. Are you referring to the events in Flanders that are discussed in the "Somme" episode, Tash? That's a different story.


Ooops! :o Yes, I was thinking of Flanders. Huh... now why was I thinking *that* was a documented-as-unfilmed episode - previous conversations here?


Looking at the missing numbers between #38-#41 from Pablo Hidalgo's list, "Somme" and "Germany" fill the gap leaving no room for "Berlin". Perhaps it was abandoned early on?:confused:


Likely. We're talking about snapshots in time of something that changed a great deal.

Just as long as Stockholm 1909 is never made, I can sleep soundly. ;) (I've attended a reception in the current Nobel ceremony venue, and it's a nifty place, even when filled with geeks (http://www.flickr.com/photos/inexorabletash/3765190762/).)

[Stoo]

That's an homage to the Last Crusade draft ending, before the "named after the dog" conversation was placed there instead. It concludes simply:

Brody: "We have no water. Can we make it back before the heat of midday?"
Sallah: Yes. If we ride like like the devil himself was on our tail."
Indy: "And maybe he is."Extremely interesting, Moedred. It seems likely like this was an homage to the abandoned line (or a forced inclusion) but one can't rule out the possiblity that it might have a been a freak coincidence. (I never noticed the similarity before...Nice catch!:))
I think young Indy in South America (Buenos Aires, Honduras, Brazil) is impossible. Abner and Belloq episodes could have been monumental, or they could have been desperate. The two comics I'd like to see drawn as single issues and inserted into an omnibus are
Le Havre, June 1916
Somme, Early August 1916 (Trenches of Hell, no comic)
Germany, Mid August 1916 (Trenches of Hell, no comic)
Berlin, Late August, 1916
Verdun, September 1916 (Demons of Deception, 2-part comic)I'd like to see that, too. From your implied impossibility of those particular missing episodes, is it because:
Buenos Aires, June 1919: Doesn't jive with the new "Princeton 1919" from "Winds of Change"? Do you feel there is not enough time in the summer to fit it in?
Honduras, December 1920: See below
Brazil, December 1921: Because of the events in MacGregor's "IJ and the Seven Veils" novel?
Edit: and at the end of Le Harve, Old Indy's grandkids could say "aw, you're just retelling stuff you watched Monday nights on ABC!" (In the way comic book characters shamelessly plug twinkies and so forth.) So he points the remote and says "fine, ya got me, let's watch "Trenches of Hell" to see what happens next!" :)Ha ha. Yeah, I could picture something like that happening.:)
When writing this I went back and checked out both the movie and novel presentations of the diner scene and everything it had to say about the Mitchell-Hedges skull, and found the movie account - in my humble opinion - really doesn't preclude the events of the planned episode (or what we know about it, anyway) from happening, though unfortunately the novel certainly does.Hmm...With all due respect, Crack, I disagree.:hat:

Mutt: ...Hodgekiss? Hedgekiss? The one he found.
Indy: The Ox and I were obsessed with the Mitchell-Hedges skull in college...

If "Honduras" happened, then Indy could have said something like, "Mitchell-Hedges didn't find it, kid. I did...along with a *friend* of mine..."

Then there's this line.
Indy: There are a number of crystal skulls in the world and I saw one in the British Museum...

He saw "one". (I saw that crystal skull last year and, although it has the same dimensions as the M-H skull, it's all one piece and doesn't have a separate jaw bone like the Hedges one.) The fact that he admits to only seeing "one", negates the events in Honduras (but the Indy-geek in me can find ways to circumvent this contradiction;)).

Also, I'm not so sure that Indy & Belloq met at university. According to the synopsis provided by Pablo Hidalgo, it seems as though they first met AFTER Indy arrived in Honduras.
Ooops! Yes, I was thinking of Flanders. Huh... now why was I thinking *that* was a documented-as-unfilmed episode - previous conversations here?Could be. Note that the Wiki claim of the "Flanders" and "Melbourne" episodes being "confirmed by other sources" is BOGUS.

Speaking of "Stockholm", I read your posts about going there but had nothing to add. Cool that you visited Sweden! I've never been there and the "Stockholm" entry would have been strange (for sure) but I'm curious to see what the final product could've looked like.:p

[Moedred]

From your implied impossibility of those particular missing episodes, is it because:
Buenos Aires, June 1919: Doesn't jive with the new "Princeton 1919" from "Winds of Change"? Do you feel there is not enough time in the summer to fit it in?
Honduras, December 1920: See below
Brazil, December 1921: Because of the events in MacGregor's "IJ and the Seven Veils" novel?
Yeah. Indy meets a girl on the boat home to Princeton instead of getting mugged. If they did Buenos Aires, I'd have preferred they do Havana immediately after. Even ignoring his 1920 graduation in the Peril at Delphi novel, I think he would have been wandering too much. Gotta be in Delphi by 1922!

Shortly after YIJC was cancelled, we got crystal skulls, Honduras and Belloq in the McCoy novels. Whether or not it was a coincidence, I think it's been done, and might even include the typhus Indy discussed at the diner (and the Honduras grave-robbing referred to by Chattar Lal).

There comes a point around 1920 when Indy just can't be considered young anymore. Why not give people the fully formed adventurer? I'd love to see the novels produced as one-hour episodes, animated in the style of Fleischer Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_(1940s_cartoons)).

[AnnieJones]

Of these, the two I wish were adapted in some way are:

"Jerusalem, June 1909"
"Le Havre, June 1916"

I totally agree!
I wished I could have seen the "Jerusalem, June 1909" one at least.

[Stoo]

Yeah. Indy meets a girl on the boat home to Princeton instead of getting mugged. If they did Buenos Aires, I'd have preferred they do Havana immediately after. Even ignoring his 1920 graduation in the Peril at Delphi novel, I think he would have been wandering too much. Gotta be in Delphi by 1922!Ah, but there lies the crux. In the original bookends to "Travels With Father" Indy arrives in New York alone. The whole plot of meeting the girl, Amy, was filmed much later so *if* "Buenos Aires" had been made, the storyline on the ship would have been different. He still could have met her in Le Havre OR en route from B.A. to N.Y. but not both. (In "Winds of Change" there are a few shots in Le Havre and Indy onboard where the length of his hair changes which makes it easy to distinguish between the new/old footage.)

BTW, being a stickler for detail, it would be good if you could edit the entry for "Honduras" in your post to read Henry Spinden instead of Spindent because that's an error/typo in the P.Hidalgo article.
Shortly after YIJC was cancelled, we got crystal skulls, Honduras and Belloq in the McCoy novels. Whether or not it was a coincidence, I think it's been done, and might even include the typhus Indy discussed at the diner (and the Honduras grave-robbing referred to by Chattar Lal).McCoy used the Chattar Lal reference in "Philosopher's Stone" but he set those events in the British Honduras. Had the TV episode been made, it's more likely than not that this would have been what Lal was referring to (leaving McCoy to ditch his idea).
There comes a point around 1920 when Indy just can't be considered young anymore. Why not give people the fully formed adventurer? I'd love to see the novels produced as one-hour episodes, animated in the style of Fleischer Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_(1940s_cartoons)).I don't even have to click the link to know that you're talking about the Superman cartoons. Those are AMAZING and I have them all. In one of the many "wish" threads for an Indy animation, I suggested the exact same thing. No style would suit Indy better than this so I'm definitely with you!:)

[Junior Jones]

Of these, the two I wish were adapted in some way are:

"Jerusalem, June 1909"
"Le Havre, June 1916"

Hey, you're in luck!

Ooops! Yes, I was thinking of Flanders...

Oh, bummer.

Anyway, I have added a new episode to the Lost Tales of Indiana Jones (http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/). It's Le Havre, June 1916. The final product is very different from what I thought it would be when I started, but I'm proud of it.

Enjoy! and let me know what you think.:hat:

[InexorableTash]

Anyway, I have added a new episode to the Lost Tales of Indiana Jones (http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/). It's Le Havre, June 1916. The final product is very different from what I thought it would be when I started, but I'm proud of it.

Whoah, the page is only accessible in Internet Explorer. At a technical level: the text boxes are being rendered using VML and present "uplevel" (IE-only) and "downlevel" (non-IE) variants. Unfortunately, there are only links in the VML version; the non-VML version just shows an image with plain text, so the links to the episodes aren't clickable. At this point, it means about 35% of Web users can't get to your stuff.

While Microsoft Word can be coerced into generating decent HTML, by default it aims for the output to be full fidelity in appearance ("looks great!") rather than being broadly accessible or functional. You might switch to another tool.

Anyway, here are the links so far as I can tell, dug out of the page source:

Melbourne, 1910: http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/index_files/Page446.htm
Princeton, Early May 1905: http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/
Princeton, Late May 1905: http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/index_files/Page364.htm
Le Havre, June 1916: http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/Chronicles2/

I'll take a peek when I get home.

[InexorableTash]

Oops, first one should be:

http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/index_files/Page446.htm

[AnnieJones]

So let me get this straight.

It goes like this,right? (In chronological order):
Princeton,Early May 1905
Princeton,Late May 1905
Melbourne,1910
Le Havre,June 1916

Then what is this?-Chapter 0 — Idylls of Youth
Was this a made up,fan made story? Or was it part of the series that never got filmed or aired.

Here is one of my favorite scenes from a YIJC episode,Daredevils of the
Desert Palestine 1917.

Jack:If you’d ever been to Australia, you’d know what I was talking about.
Indiana Jones:Well actually I have been to Australia...
Jack:You’ve been to Australia? (laughs) Good on you, sport.
Dix:God’s own country, right?
Indy:That’s right. It was great. Actually I flew an airplane with Harry Houdini.
Dix:S’truth?
Jack:He’s pulling your leg.
Dix:Are you?
Indy:No, it’s true. It’s great though. I love Australia.

[Stoo]

Indy:That’s right. It was great. Actually I flew an airplane with Harry Houdini.From the information we've been given, it's a mystery as to why it's stated that he flew in a balloon with Houdini. Like Indy said in "Daredevils", it was an aeroplane.

There's also this line from the beginning of "Hawkmen" before he was assigned to the Lafayette Escadrille.
Remy to Indy: You HATE flying.

...and from wiki:
"In 1910, Houdini toured Australia. He brought with him his Voisin biplane and had the distinction of achieving the first powered flight over Australia, doing so on March 18 at Diggers Rest, Victoria (melton), just north of Melbourne. Colin Defries preceded him, but he crashed the plane on landing. Houdini proudly claimed to reporters that, while the world may forget about him as a magician and escape artist, it would never forget Houdini the pioneer aviator."

---
I prepared this photo analysis (from "Curse of the Jackal/Spring Break Adventure") for the Billie character in one of Junior Jones' stories in his "Lost Tales" thread but I am convinced that he was supposed to be the young Paul Robeson. Yes? No?

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb262/Stoo65/Billie_1.jpg

Henry Sr. in Winds of Change..."Paul? Little Paul?"

[AnnieJones]

I am convinced that he was supposed to be the young Paul Robeson. Yes? No?
Henry Sr. in Winds of Change..."Paul? Little Paul?"

I never thought of that!

[Junior Jones]

So let me get this straight.

It goes like this,right? (In chronological order):
Princeton,Early May 1905
Princeton,Late May 1905
Melbourne,1910
Le Havre,June 1916

Then what is this?-Chapter 0 — Idylls of Youth
Was this a made up,fan made story? Or was it part of the series that never got filmed or aired.

Well, taking my cue from George Lucas, I took two episodes (Princeton, Early May 1905 and Princeton, Late May 1905) removed the bookends, added some awkward bridging material, and edited them together into one long story.

Have you read any of them, Annie? What do you think?

[Rocket Surgeon]

The Indy Cast just posted Episode 83, Laird Malamed talks about some of the unproduced young indy episodes and his time at Lucasfilm.

[indyclone25]

it was very good interview too --- just got done watching the mystery of the blues today ,

[AnnieJones]

Well, taking my cue from George Lucas, I took two episodes (Princeton, Early May 1905 and Princeton, Late May 1905) removed the bookends, added some awkward bridging material, and edited them together into one long story.
Good idea doing stories with what you have to work with!:up:
Have you read any of them, Annie? What do you think?I read the first page of each story and from what I read I really like what you have done.:up: I like(what I read so far)the four stories that I read.

What I like about The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Princeton,Early May 1905 was how you worked his sister,Susie,into the story. http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/

What I like about both The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Princeton,Early May 1905 and The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Princeton,Late May 1905 was how you put Indiana the dog into the stories and how you managed to put "little Paul" into the stories as well. http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/
http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/index_files/Page364.htm

What I like about the one with Houdini,The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Melbourne,1910,is that you used Daredevils of the Desert Palestine,October 1917 as your source of information.I always wondered what that story was going to be like. http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/index_files/Page461.htm

The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Palestine,October 1917(1993) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0752181/
Jack: If you’d ever been to Australia, you’d know what I was talking about.
Indiana Jones: Well actually I have been to Australia...
Jack: You’ve been to Australia? (laughs) Good on you, sport.
Dix: God’s own country, right?
Indy: That’s right. It was great. Actually I flew an airplane with Harry Houdini.
Dix: S’truth?
Jack: He’s pulling your leg.
Dix: Are you?
Indy: No, it’s true. It’s great though. I love Australia.

I also like the drawing for this story. http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/index_files/Page446.htm

I found a website about Houdini in Australia(in real history).Here it is,if someone else hasn't already put it up on this thread: http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/houdini_bio.html

What I thought was funny about The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles Le Havre,June 1916 was when Indy couldn't remember his own "age" when Sergeant Bedeaux asked Indy how old he was and he had to try and remember it right there on the spot.Very creative.:up:

“How old are you, Defense?”

“Twe… um… Twenty-two,” he stammered, trying to remember the birth date he had put on his enlistment form.

[Stoo]

#?? "Berlin, Late August 1916."
This was to be a third part in the Somme - Germany cycle following Indy's capture in Somme, through his escape from prison and to his then his escape from Germany itself. Indy has to decide between returning to the US (since we are not at war with them yet) or returning to the Belgium Army - which he does. The main character from history is Sigrid Schultz. (Laird Malamed/Micah Johnson notes)Laird Malamed's interview on the Indy Cast has shed some new light on this unmade episode! Mr. Malamed refers to it as the one where Indy goes to the U.S. embassy...That is NEW information!:up:

As far as he recalls, nothing was ever shot for these unmade chapters but an old Raven member, Aaron H, once wrote that a few of them were scripted and some scenes were actually filmed. I would love to know the truth behind this...

@Annie, you should have put your reply in Junior Jones' "Lost Tales" thread.;)

[AnnieJones]

Annie, you should have put your reply in Junior Jones' "Lost Tales" thread.;)Oops! I'm an idiot.
Ok,It's there now.Thanks Stoo!:up:

[Crack that whip]

Hmm...With all due respect, Crack, I disagree.:hat:

Mutt: ...Hodgekiss? Hedgekiss? The one he found.
Indy: The Ox and I were obsessed with the Mitchell-Hedges skull in college...

If "Honduras" happened, then Indy could have said something like, "Mitchell-Hedges didn't find it, kid. I did...along with a *friend* of mine..."

Then there's this line.
Indy: There are a number of crystal skulls in the world and I saw one in the British Museum...

He saw "one". (I saw that crystal skull last year and, although it has the same dimensions as the M-H skull, it's all one piece and doesn't have a separate jaw bone like the Hedges one.) The fact that he admits to only seeing "one", negates the events in Honduras (but the Indy-geek in me can find ways to circumvent this contradiction;)).

It would indeed require some... "finessing," but I think there's still more than enough room to do it that I'm still comfortable with saying the movie account doesn't definitively negate the planned episode (though we can agree the novel clearly does). There could be any number of reasons why Indy wouldn't want to tell this kid he just met the "real" story behind the Mitchell-Hedges skull, and at least a couple suggest themselves. The book's inclusion of Indy's own thoughts about wanting to see it does pretty solidly contradict the episode, though, alas.

[AnnieJones]

I don't know if this was mentioned yet,but old Indy (briefly) mentioned knowing Houdini in The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles - Part 4.

[Attila the Professor]

I don't know if this was mentioned yet,but old Indy (briefly) mentioned knowing Houdini in The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles - Part 4.

That's a good point. Two references to a hypothetical adventure that was never filmed makes it seem like a little bit more than a throwaway references.

[Stoo]

It would indeed require some... "finessing," but I think there's still more than enough room to do it that I'm still comfortable with saying the movie account doesn't definitively negate the planned episode (though we can agree the novel clearly does). There could be any number of reasons why Indy wouldn't want to tell this kid he just met the "real" story behind the Mitchell-Hedges skull, and at least a couple suggest themselves. The book's inclusion of Indy's own thoughts about wanting to see it does pretty solidly contradict the episode, though, alas.Until something better comes along, I'll twist things any which-way to make a correlation!:o
I don't know if this was mentioned yet,but old Indy (briefly) mentioned knowing Houdini in The Old Indiana Jones Chronicles - Part 4.I love when he says this and have brought it up before in some other threads. "I knew Houdini!"
That's a good point. Two references to a hypothetical adventure that was never filmed makes it seem like a little bit more than a throwaway references.In addition to "Daredevils" & the "Melbourne" synopsis provided by Laird Malamed, the bookend reference also sheds a bit more light on the possible content of this unfilmed episode (Indy learning about some escape techinques).

[Montana Smith]

Until something better comes along, I'll twist things any which-way to make a correlation!:o

I love fictional chronologies, be they for Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Aliens/Predator, Firefly... There's something about putting things into perfect sequential order that I find immensely satisfying.

With Tolkein's Lord of the Rings there is no problem since the sole author had control over his world (and I recall finding the chronology at the end of LOTR very upsetting as Tolkien tells us of the deaths of much-loved characters).

When we are confronted by multiple authors and multiple media, and conflicts inevitably arise and throw the proverbial spanner in the works, it becomes a major frustration.

My solution is to approach the problem as I would approach such a matter in real life: witnesses to history are not always perfect. The facts can be distorted by poor memory, misinterpretation, intentional misrepresentation. Diaries, for example, are not to be taken as first hand evidence without substantiation. Disbelieve every statement until it can be verified by other means.

With that in mind, I assign irregularities to errors made by the characters. This is the method by which (to quote you, Stoo) "I'll twist things any which-way to make a correlation".

A glib remark by Indy, or even a whole episode of Young Indy, might be a tall tale.

:hat:

[lairdo]

Hi all,

I finally found my Young Indy file back from my time at LucasFilm. Apologies if this is already online, but I didn't see it in the thread. This is the description from the season 2 notes of YI. The document is dated 8/3/1992.

Episode 25
Title, Berlin, Late Aug 1916
Indy's age 17
Subject: Commitment and Social Involvement
Character: Sigrid Schultz
Theme: Can one stand on the sidelines of history?
Indy has escaped from the prison at Ingolstadt and is on the run from the Germans. Because he is hungry, he quietly enters what he thinks is a German road-mending gang. The men are loaded on a truck, and Indy discovers they are British prisoners of war who are being taken to a POW camp in Berlin. Indy is discovered during a roll call and convinces the officers he is a double agent. He is driven into Berlin and from there tries to escape, but he comes across a nefarious character who says he will help him with papers and is attacked, beaten up, and left unconscious. He makes his way to a soup kitchen, where he meets two American girls, one of whom is a journalist. The girls tend to his wounds and suggest that he contact the American Embassy, which could get him to Rotterdam. Indy first plans to return home but has feelings about abandoning his fellow soldiers at the front and ultimately decides to make the commitment to stay.


That's the only story summary I have of an unfilmed episode that isn't already listed on this thread.

Laird

[lairdo]

Besides finding the Berlin description posted in the last entry, I saw this tidbit in my episode list: New York, July 1905. This is from a list dated December 19, 1991 "Master Chronology". It notes that the story had yet to be written. (By this, I think it means the actual story content - the script was a step after that.)

None of my later lists include this episode, so I guess it was dropped early on.

But it gets better. Here are the others that were on this list but which I have never seen anything further about. Perhaps others are aware of these though?

Feb 1910 - Tibet
Mar 1910 - Peking
May 1910 - China Sea
July 1910 - South Pacific
Aug 1910 - Utah
Sep 1910 - Princeton
(Tokyo and Australia (as June 1910 not March) are on the list too but those are more well known)
There are no locations given for Oct - Dec 1910 presumably because the 3 year tour ended in Sep 1910

For Teen Indy, the following dates have no locations noted
Jan 1916
Apr 1917
Jun 1917
Sep 1917
Oct 1917 (Beersheba is listed as Nov)
Dec 1917
Feb - May 1918
Jul - Aug 1918
Oct 1918 - Apr 1919
June 1918
Oct 1919 - Dec 1919
Feb 1920 - April 1920
Aug 1920 - Dec 1920
1921 isn't listed
Numerous of those dates got filled in - like Hollywood in Aug 1920

Ok, and now the last of the good stuff - the new locations (as far as a I know):

Feb 1917 - Paris (although I think some of these events are part of Austria now)
Sep 1919 - Chicago - presumably Indy meeting Eliot and his first bit of school
(Cuba is listed as July 1919 not Dec 1919)
Jan 1920 - Peru

All of these were in the stories not written yet category.


Much to speculate upon!

Laird

PS One more tidbit - Frank Darabont was going to write Bombay 1919

[Attila the Professor]

Laird, this is fantastic stuff. I'm not one of the Young Indy experts around here, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they make of it.

The inclusion of Utah 1910 is interesting...wonder how long they had that little house.

[AnnieJones]

I'm so happy,lairdo,that you are here to shed some light with whatever the heck happened to those episodes.Thank you for your insight.:up:

[lairdo]

I really wish I knew more. But we can make up some stuff too and have fun with the missing episodes. They must have been cut early on because none of my later lists had them. But Indy had to be somewhere, right?

[Montana Smith]

Thanks for sharing all that info, larirdo.

Intriguing dates are New York July 1905 (that's very early, and would suggest an actor younger than Corey Carrier) and Peru January 1920 (Peru being a significant location in Indy history).

[lairdo]

My pleasure in sharing.

Regarding New York 1905, I assume the original plan was to film this with Princeton 1905 and the same actor. The bit I remember about Princeton (and I think is posted here or on the Wiki somewhere) is that Indy ends up on top of his house or some kind of crazy adventure. I think the homage was going to be to the Little Rascals, and I assume that NY would carry that over into the big city. But those are guesses.

Peru in 1920 would have been great. I hope they consider a live action or animated show with Indy in his 20's between college and Doom. There is a lot of great things that he could experience.

[Attila the Professor]

One thing to do, I suppose, and we know that they did this when they were planning the series, is figure out what was going on in each of those places at those given times. Figuring out <I>who</I> was there could be a bit harder, of course.

And that still doesn't change the fact that we don't have places for the 1916-1920 ones.

[Junior Jones]

The bit I remember about Princeton (and I think is posted here or on the Wiki somewhere) is that Indy ends up on top of his house or some kind of crazy adventure. I think the homage was going to be to the Little Rascals...

Cool! That is exactly the vibe I got from this description:
#37 "Princeton, May 1905"
Indy is five years old, and he and his friends have a funny, charming adventure that begins with Indy organizing an event to raise money for a vase he has broken, culminating in a search for buried pirate's treasure and the capture of some hoboes who are wanted by the police.

So I used it in my version here (http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/chronicles/index_files/Page364.htm) and based Indy's friends on Our Gang/Little Rascals characters.

As to the rest of Laird's list, it looks like they planned for the potential of one episode per month. The unwritten episodes without even a location are likely just placeholders so that it's clear which months are already used and which are still open.

It's odd that Australia is listed as June 1910. If, as Indy claimed in Daredevils of the Desert, he flew in Australia with Harry Houdini, it has to be March for historical accuracy. Either Melbourne in early March or Sydney later in the month. Houdini was back to the US by June. (I did a lot of research on this when I wrote Melbourne 1910 (http://home.earthlink.net/~pandersonfam/index_files/Page446.htm)).

[lairdo]

I think back when the list I was quoting was written, they may not have even known the Houdini part yet. I think also they were challenged with having a reasonable flow of Indy and his parents around the globe.

Haven't read your fan fiction yet, but I look forward to digging into it.

[Stoo]

I finally found my Young Indy file back from my time at LucasFilm. Apologies if this is already online, but I didn't see it in the thread. This is the description from the season 2 notes of YI. The document is dated 8/3/1992.

That's the only story summary I have of an unfilmed episode that isn't already listed on this thread.Laird. Laird. Laird. THANK YOU a 1000 times over for these EXCLUSIVES! There is too much to comment on so I’ll approach your revelations bit by bit (otherwise my post would be longer than a Tolstoy novel!:o)

In case you missed it, we talked about the Berlin episode on page 3 (& I posted some photos of Sigrid Schultz) but the information you've just given contains MUCH MORE detail than what was previously known. The old info from c.1996 (which, I believe, came from you – but condensed by someone else) contains only a few lines of description . Do you have any other plot outlines that are more elaborate than what is already out there? (If so, please post them one at a time because my head is about to explode, Belloq-style!:eek:)

As for the extra dates, etc…Truly, excellent material. THANKS AGAIN!:hat:
Regarding New York 1905, I assume the original plan was to film this with Princeton 1905 and the same actor. The bit I remember about Princeton (and I think is posted here or on the Wiki somewhere) is that Indy ends up on top of his house or some kind of crazy adventure. I think the homage was going to be to the Little Rascals, and I assume that NY would carry that over into the big city. But those are guesses.

Peru in 1920 would have been great. I hope they consider a live action or animated show with Indy in his 20's between college and Doom. There is a lot of great things that he could experience.Have you read the novels, Laird? They cover that missing time period and I recall Lucas saying something about the portrayal of those years was not on his agenda (at the time). Wish I could remember where I read that…

Re: Princeton 1905
In Pablo Hidalgo’s article, he writes: “Note: Had this episode entered production, it would have required casting a new, younger Indy. Though this story was not produced, the idea of Indy being friends with Paul Robeson resurfaced in the bridging material of the broadcast version of Travels with Father, and a new episode created as a conclusion to the Winds of Change.”

I’ve always felt that the opening scenes of “Curse of the Jackal/My First Adventure”, w/Corey Carrier & his gang, were a glimpse into the 1905 adventures. Plus, in the new footage of “My First Adventure” we see Toddler Indy on his roof. Maybe this is a remnant of the idea? Don’t recall ever reading about a rooftop in connection with Princeton 1905 but perhaps I've missed something?

Laird, this is fantastic stuff. I'm not one of the Young Indy experts around here, but I'm looking forward to seeing what they make of it.

The inclusion of Utah 1910 is interesting...wonder how long they had that little house.Yeah, perhaps this would have shed some light as to why Henry Sr. & Son eventually moved to Moab. It would have been fun to possibly see tubby, Herman in 1910.
One thing to do, I suppose, and we know that they did this when they were planning the series, is figure out what was going on in each of those places at those given times. Figuring out <I>who</I> was there could be a bit harder, of course.To quote Harrison: ”Here’s where the fun begins…”:up:
The unwritten episodes without even a location are likely just placeholders so that it's clear which months are already used and which are still open.That’s a possibility since most of those dates fill in the gaps of the ORIGINAL “Chronicles” timeline. More on that later…:D

[lairdo]

Laird. Laird. Laird. THANK YOU a 1000 times over for these EXCLUSIVES!

My pleasure. Glad I found the stuff and could share it.

In case you missed it, we talked about the Berlin episode on page 3 (& I posted some photos of Sigrid Schultz) but the information you've just given contains MUCH MORE detail than what was previously known. The old info from c.1996 (which, I believe, came from you – but condensed by someone else) contains only a few lines of description.

I think that came from a time that Micah and I were emailing back and forth. I can't recall if I sent him the whole blurb or just what I remembered at the time. Anyway, we all have out there what I have. (And I did miss the page 3 stuff because speaking of Tolstoy novels, I think this thread is about the same length! It's amazing how much people have contributed.)


Do you have any other plot outlines that are more elaborate than what is already out there? (If so, please post them one at a time because my head is about to explode, Belloq-style!:eek:)

Not that I know of. One of my goals for this year is to actually catalog and post my Indy collection. It's nothing like Ravenwood - probably smaller than most everyone's collection as I didn't collect figures other than one or two. But almost all of it has special meaning to me. Targeted would be how I describe it. I even have a whip on order from Midwest Whips which I cannot wait to get. But I digress onto the collecting page. Anyway, I consider my notes from my time on YIJC to be part of my collection.

Have you read the novels, Laird? They cover that missing time period and I recall Lucas saying something about the portrayal of those years was not on his agenda (at the time). Wish I could remember where I read that…

Yes! I love most of the novels - particularly the first 6. I also had email back and forth with Max McCoy when he was writing his ones. I'll probably cover my full thoughts on the novels at some point on the Indycast. I reviewed the last one a few months ago and found it wanting in many ways. I think because I love the novels is the reason I would love to see that time fleshed out. But WWII is probably a better period for us to see in any regard.


I’ve always felt that the opening scenes of “Curse of the Jackal/My First Adventure”, w/Corey Carrier & his gang, were a glimpse into the 1905 adventures. Plus, in the new footage of “My First Adventure” we see Toddler Indy on his roof. Maybe this is a remnant of the idea? Don’t recall ever reading about a rooftop in connection with Princeton 1905 but perhaps I've missed something?

I'm almost sure it's something I heard verbally at the time. I'm sure you are right about the My First Adventure bit being a remnant. But it is a long time ago and we should all question my memories that aren't supported by other sources.

I look forward to hearing more and learning more as I stay more connected here in the forums.

[Wilhelm]

It's interesting that the unproduced Berlin episode is a precedent of Mac's commentary about "being double agents in Berlin". Maybe Lucas remembered that for Indy 4 like the Honduras 1920 episode with Belloq and the Crystal Skull.

[Montana Smith]

It's interesting that the unproduced Berlin episode is a precedent of Mac's commentary about "being double agents in Berlin". Maybe Lucas remembered that for Indy 4 like the Honduras 1920 episode with Belloq and the Crystal Skull.

I thought Mac was referring to post WW2 Berlin - that they were spying in East Germany.

[Wilhelm]

Yes, but I mean that Lucas reused that concept of Indy as double agent in Berlin like he reused the concept of the Crystal Skull.

This is the part of Berlin episode:
"The men are loaded on a truck, and Indy discovers they are British prisoners of war who are being taken to a POW camp in Berlin. Indy is discovered during a roll call and convinces the officers he is a double agent. He is driven into Berlin and from there tries to escape."

So he used that idea for Mac's commentary about being double agents. Mac is british like the prisoners of war.

But I think that Mac is refering to Berlin during WW2, not after. I don't know but I thought that their spying activities were made during WW2, but Indy says "After all those years we spent spying on the Reds". Did Indy continue to work as spy AFTER WW2? I think his association with Mac was only during the war years (And the excavation in Mexico, of course).

[lairdo]

Mac is certainly referring to WWII. As for when Mac and Indy spied on the Reds - well, I think that's left up in the air. It could have been in WWII or just after. I would make a guess that Indy is not in the army in 1947 because it sounds like he was dragged from somewhere else. Can't really say that for sure, but the way Indy relates the Roswell incident, he infers he was pulled in from the outside. Of course, he couldn't have been drafted back during the 1950's too.

Lucas borrowing/reusing/stealing from himself is common. Indy, as mentioned in this post, is full of discarded ideas resurfacing later. And Clone Wars is absolutely that way too. It's just how he thinks and works.

[Montana Smith]

Mac is certainly referring to WWII. As for when Mac and Indy spied on the Reds - well, I think that's left up in the air. It could have been in WWII or just after. I would make a guess that Indy is not in the army in 1947 because it sounds like he was dragged from somewhere else. Can't really say that for sure, but the way Indy relates the Roswell incident, he infers he was pulled in from the outside. Of course, he couldn't have been drafted back during the 1950's too.

It's great that you're here, Lairdo, to set us straight! :hat:

When Mac said "double agents in Berlin" I immediately had images of the early Cold War, and all those John Le Carre style novels of spies leading double lives in the post-war Soviet Sector of the city. At any time up to 1949 the city could be referred to as Berlin (as opposed to East or West Berlin). Yet, spying on the Reds during wartime would have been just as relevant, as Stalin was an uneasy bedfellow for the allies - and Churchill at least feared that the Red Machine would not stop moving west once it reached Germany.

The life of Indiana Jones is such a fertile ground for more stories - I would really love to see his WW2 exploits, but will have to make do with imagining 'Force 10 from Navarone' as an Indy story!

[Wilhelm]

I prefer to think that Indy spied only during WW2, not after. In 1945 he worked again as archaeologist.

It's interesting that he had a past as spy, like Connery's Bond and that was the origin of the concept of Indiana Jones in 1977.

[Montana Smith]

I prefer to think that Indy spied only during WW2, not after. In 1945 he worked again as archaeologist.

It's interesting that he had a past as spy, like Connery's Bond and that was the origin of the concept of Indiana Jones in 1977.

I agree that it's more satisying to think that Indy was only a spy during wartime for the benefits of the war effort, rather than during the Cold War when spies tended to be playing a game inspired by misguided ideology or lured by foreign money (as Mac is in KOTCS).

Indy was disillusioned by the official reaction to the Ark at the end of Raiders, and I get the feeling that it took a lot to get him back into espionage during the war, and was probably glad to be out of it and back into archaeology after the war. Though he does occasionally get called in as an advisor, as in 1947 with the Roswell incident.

[Wilhelm]

If Indy was only spying during WW2 I don't understand the phrase "After all those years we spent spying on the Reds". It could be more logical to say "After all those years we spent spying on the NAZIS" or just "After all those years we spent spying".

I don't know if he could spy Reds and Nazis during WW2, but saying "All those years" seems to be that he's refering to WW2 and not recent years during Cold War.

I also think that 1947 was the last time he was involved with the OSS/CIA and that his activities during WW2 involved archaeology mixed with spies. In Berlin they could try to recover the art stolen by the nazis. And in Yakarta an adventure mixing native warriors (Amnnesic darts) and japanese army. Is Mac also an archaeologist? If he was digging in Mexico perhaps his original profession is archaeology.

[Stoo]

My pleasure. Glad I found the stuff and could share it.

Not that I know of. One of my goals for this year is to actually catalog and post my Indy collection. It's nothing like Ravenwood - probably smaller than most everyone's collection as I didn't collect figures other than one or two. But almost all of it has special meaning to me. Targeted would be how I describe it. I even have a whip on order from Midwest Whips which I cannot wait to get. But I digress onto the collecting page. Anyway, I consider my notes from my time on YIJC to be part of my collection.Thankfully you kept your notes and I, for one, am extremely grateful. Thanks for answering all my other questions, as well. More later! Don't worry, not everyone here has a huge Indy collection. Mine is limited to only video, literature & other printed material but I do have a hat and whip.:whip:

Do you know how far the Berlin episode developed beyond your synopsis? To your knowledge, was there ever a full script or was anything ever filmed?
If Indy was only spying during WW2 I don't understand the phrase "After all those years we spent spying on the Reds". It could be more logical to say "After all those years we spent spying on the NAZIS" or just "After all those years we spent spying".

I don't know if he could spy Reds and Nazis during WW2, but saying "All those years" seems to be that he's refering to WW2 and not recent years during Cold War.You seem confused, Wilhelm.:confused: Indy could have easily been in Berlin post-WW2 spying on the Russkies. Using an unrealized idea is natural for any artist but the connection between the unfilmed "Berlin" episode and the line from "Skull" is slim, IMO. I'm all for talking about Indy's spying activities in the '40s/'50s but, please, let's try not to derail this topic. Here are some related threads:

Indy as a spy (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=18728&highlight=Flensburg)
"Do you know how many medals this *** won?" (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=15153&highlight=Flensburg)
what do you think happened to Indy in WW2? (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=Office+Strategic+Services)
The life of Indiana Jones is such a fertile ground for more stories - I would really love to see his WW2 exploits, but will have to make do with imagining 'Force 10 from Navarone' as an Indy story!..and "Hanover Street"!:D One of the unfilmed YIJC stories that really intrigues me is "Alaska" because it would have showed Indy IN THE SNOW and the adventure which solidified his choice of ADOPTING A WHIP as one of his permanent accoutrements!:whip:

[lairdo]

Thankfully you kept your notes and I, for one, am extremely grateful. Thanks for answering all my other questions, as well.

My pleasure!

Do you know how far the Berlin episode developed beyond your synopsis? To your knowledge, was there ever a full script or was anything ever filmed?

Sorry Stoo, I don't know. I think there was as a script because it was planned for season 2 originally, but I certainly never saw that or any footage.

[Lance Quazar]

I agree that it's more satisying to think that Indy was only a spy during wartime for the benefits of the war effort, rather than during the Cold War when spies tended to be playing a game inspired by misguided ideology or lured by foreign money (as Mac is in KOTCS).

Indy was disillusioned by the official reaction to the Ark at the end of Raiders, and I get the feeling that it took a lot to get him back into espionage during the war, and was probably glad to be out of it and back into archaeology after the war. Though he does occasionally get called in as an advisor, as in 1947 with the Roswell incident.

I agree. The movie (seemed to) imply that Indy continued working as a spy, which I found utterly ridiculous, offensive and wholly out of character.

[Wilhelm]

I remember that Lucas said in a interview for Lucasfilm magazine that he had a complete chronology for possible Indy's adventures until the year 1950.

I'm sure that he have written brief synopsis for all his exploits during WW1 and WW2.

[Crack that whip]

Laird. Laird. Laird. THANK YOU a 1000 times over for these EXCLUSIVES! There is too much to comment on so I’ll approach your revelations bit by bit (otherwise my post would be longer than a Tolstoy novel!:o)

"My sentiments exactly." :hat:

It's kind of bizarre to me to have someone who actually worked on this series posting here just like any other fan, Laird, but I'm sure we're all incredibly grateful. I do look forward to fully absorbing your accounts of the creation of the show, and your insight into all the adventures yet-untold...

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Montana Smith]

..and "Hanover Street"!:D

I stopped myself adding Hanover Street, as I think Harrison played a pilot. As of 1938 he only knew how to fly a plane, but not land one!

And yes, Stoo, we have drifted off topic a bit, so no more 1940s/50s spying. Instead I'll echo your thanks to Laird...

Laird. Laird. Laird. THANK YOU a 1000 times over for these EXCLUSIVES! There is too much to comment on so I’ll approach your revelations bit by bit (otherwise my post would be longer than a Tolstoy novel!)

All further revelation will be gratefully received. :hat:

[lairdo]

It's kind of bizarre to me to have someone who actually worked on this series posting here just like any other fan, Laird, but I'm sure we're all incredibly grateful. I do look forward to fully absorbing your accounts of the creation of the show, and your insight into all the adventures yet-untold...


Totally fun for me. It was a great time in my life (and I have been very fortunate to have a wonderful life). (Ha ha, YI Music just came up as I type this in iTunes DJ - End Credits for Trenches. Synergistic!) I only wish I had been a bit older as I would have probably have enjoyed it even more. And I met my wife while living in Marin County (where I lived), so the time also became personally the foundation of all that has followed.

[T.E.Lawrence]

Hi all,

I finally found my Young Indy file back from my time at LucasFilm. Apologies if this is already online, but I didn't see it in the thread. This is the description from the season 2 notes of YI. The document is dated 8/3/1992.

---snip---


Just wanted to join the army of others and to send EPIC THANKS for all the info that you posted.

I know this is a long shoot but do you maybe know the identity of this person that posted few years ago about Young Indy on Usenet group rec.music.movies. His nick was Capt. Damage. If I can remember correctly his email prefix was "Parker72".

He was also working on Young Indy productions. Original post at the text below:

Source: http://tinyurl.com/2ddbkk

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News group: rec.music.movies

From: [Parke... @ aol.com (Capt.Damage)]
Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:58:09 -0800
Subject: Re: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles

I actually had the opportunity to work on this series many years ago,
and agree that it's a shame this type of programming doesn't get made
more often. The reason, of course, was that Lucas financed it entirely
out of his own pocket, and was determined to bring together the best
writers, directors, and composers he could find for the project. This
is where he began his longterm relationship with EP1 and EP2 Producer
Rick McCallum, EP2 & EP3 co-writer Jonathan Hales, and also where
Frank Darabonte got his directing start (read his screenwriting
biography sometime for a few surprises).

And since 'Young Indy' was independently financed, Lucas was
determined to finish it at any cost (and the cost became
considerable), whether a network picked it up or not. He was making a
project close to his heart, and (for once) didn't care about the
profit. So when ABC canceled it after 32 episodes, and it moved to
cable in expanded form, Lucas was already eyeing an eventual video
release to reach the audience he really intended: history classrooms.
The whole idea was to bring history alive by re-enacting it through a
familiar hero's eyes.

Fortunately, I think the spirit of feature-quality storytelling (and
score composition) for television continues in such efforts as HBO's
"From the Earth to the Moon" and "Band of Brothers".

To answer your question about music, though, the two principal
composers for the entire series were McNeely and Rosenthal. Fred
Talgorn and Curt Sobel were brought in to score some of the later (and
expanded) episodes that aired once the series moved to cable - I don't
think any of their music has been released yet.

More info than anyone probably wanted, sorry. I really enjoyed the
series, thought it deserved a bigger audience than it got. I'm glad
it's still playing in other countries.

-Capt.Damage

>News group: rec.music.movies

>From: [Jostein Hakestad ]
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:30:42 GMT
>Subject: Young Indiana Jones Chronicles

>They're showing this series here on a channel called TV3, and I'm VERY
>impressed by it. The series is being aired two episodes at a time, glued
>together to make series of TV movies, if you will.

>The production value, the acting, the stories presented in this series, are
>all marvellous. The past few episodes have been dealing with the horrors of
>the first World War, and they have been as gripping and horrifying as
>anything seen in cinema. A couple of the episodes have had Saving Private
>Ryan-esque sequences 6 years before that movie was even made. There's also a
>lot of humour and romance. For example, Indy becomes involved with Mata
>Hari, and there was also a "Great Escape" -like episode where Indy was a
>prisoner in a war camp.

>Anyway, the scores by such talented people as Lawrence Rosenthal, Joel
>McNeely and Frederic Talgorn, have all been excellent so far. It's some of
>the finest TV scoring I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. The episode I
>saw today (about Indy being a motorcycle courier for the French army) even
>had a big choral cue, which worked very well indeed.

>I'm one of the people who missed this show when it aired in the early 90's,
>so it's an absolutel delight to be able to watch it now.

>--
>Jostein H


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[Crack that whip]

Totally fun for me. It was a great time in my life (and I have been very fortunate to have a wonderful life). (Ha ha, YI Music just came up as I type this in iTunes DJ - End Credits for Trenches. Synergistic!) I only wish I had been a bit older as I would have probably have enjoyed it even more. And I met my wife while living in Marin County (where I lived), so the time also became personally the foundation of all that has followed.

Wonderful times.

I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for you in the future about the show, particularly the unfilmed episodes.

For now, my first question is this: do you remember / know whether the unfilmed "Jerusalem" episode with young Indy meeting Abner includes any mention of Abner's little girl - would she have been born (or at least conceived) yet (and for that matter, any mention of Marion's mom / Abner's wife [assuming Abner was indeed married to Marion's mom - likely, but since one never knows...])?

[dr.jones1986]

I prefer to think that Indy spied only during WW2, not after. In 1945 he worked again as archaeologist.

It's interesting that he had a past as spy, like Connery's Bond and that was the origin of the concept of Indiana Jones in 1977.

I always got the feeling that he just spied during the war and once it was over he went back to his love, archelogy. It sounds like he is out of the military by the time he gets called upon by the military to check out Roswell.

[Violet Indy]

Wonderful times.

I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for you in the future about the show, particularly the unfilmed episodes.

For now, my first question is this: do you remember / know whether the unfilmed "Jerusalem" episode with young Indy meeting Abner includes any mention of Abner's little girl - would she have been born (or at least conceived) yet (and for that matter, any mention of Marion's mom / Abner's wife [assuming Abner was indeed married to Marion's mom - likely, but since one never knows...])?

What I'd also like to know if possible! (Where's the please/begging to know emoticon?)

[Montana Smith]

Wonderful times.

I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for you in the future about the show, particularly the unfilmed episodes.

For now, my first question is this: do you remember / know whether the unfilmed "Jerusalem" episode with young Indy meeting Abner includes any mention of Abner's little girl - would she have been born (or at least conceived) yet (and for that matter, any mention of Marion's mom / Abner's wife [assuming Abner was indeed married to Marion's mom - likely, but since one never knows...])?

The Ultimate Guide records Marion as being born March 23, 1909 (which would be about right, as Indy is ten years older than her), so in Jerusalem June 1909 she'd be 2-3 months old. It would be pretty odd to see a ten year-old Indy with the baby girl that would eventually become his wife. What a great put down in their married life if Indy was to say, "Remember, Marion, I changed your nappy!" :eek:

[AnnieJones]

Yeah,that would be a little awkward.

[lairdo]

For now, my first question is this: do you remember / know whether the unfilmed "Jerusalem" episode with young Indy meeting Abner includes any mention of Abner's little girl - would she have been born (or at least conceived) yet (and for that matter, any mention of Marion's mom / Abner's wife [assuming Abner was indeed married to Marion's mom - likely, but since one never knows...])?


Sorry, I never saw the script for Jerusalem, and I certainly don't recall anyone mentioning if baby Marion was included. We were so busy getting the shows completed (especially in season 2 when we had hard airdates to hit), that I never took the opportunity to read the scripts until they came into post-production. Shame as I am sure I could have gotten copies if I had asked. But you have to realize in the middle of the show in 1992, we had no concept we weren't going to make those great season 3 episodes. At least I didn't know.

One does wonder if the show had started (or initially included) more of the tie in elements to Raiders - the Abner shows and Belloq ealier than season 3 - would it have caught on more? In the past few years, I've gotten around to watching Smallville. I'm almost done with season 7. And while I find it uneven, there are enough Superman tidbits to keep me going. Can you imagine if they had started that without Lex Luthor? It never would have survived.

[Moedred]

One of my goals for this year is to actually catalog and post my Indy collection. It's nothing like Ravenwood - probably smaller than most everyone's collection as I didn't collect figures other than one or two. But almost all of it has special meaning to me. Targeted would be how I describe it.
Scan whatever documents you can. I have a virtual "collection" of transcripts and documents, found through my profile. Yours sounds far more intriguing and unique!

[Crack that whip]

Sorry, I never saw the script for Jerusalem, and I certainly don't recall anyone mentioning if baby Marion was included. We were so busy getting the shows completed (especially in season 2 when we had hard airdates to hit), that I never took the opportunity to read the scripts until they came into post-production. Shame as I am sure I could have gotten copies if I had asked. But you have to realize in the middle of the show in 1992, we had no concept we weren't going to make those great season 3 episodes. At least I didn't know.

Ah, well. Thanks for replying, anyway. :)

For now, I guess this episode remains one of the most tantalizing lost pieces of the big Indy puzzle (at least for me)...