This Just In, Man Shot In Airport

[roundshort]

WOW, finally action not just words! It seems that an Air Marshall just shot and killed a man who claimed to have a bomb in a Miami airport. It seems a guy, whose wife said he is "bi-polar" and not medicated, ran off of a plane bound for Orlando saying he had a bomb in a bag, when the Air Marshalls hit the scene, he refused to do what they said and he was shot to death! I gather from reading the aritcle, that U.S. Air Marshalls under go crazy intense small arm training, so the moral of this story is two-fold . . .

1) Do not run around saying you have a bomb in airports, you will be killed!
2) if you are Bi-Polar take your medication, you might be killed!

[roundshort]

No pissing at all, I actually was more interested that we actually did something, you hear all the time what to do and not to do, well someone did something, I, for once, was not offereing any opinion at all, just the facts, man, just the facts! I do find it interesting this happened a day after the report came out the gave the U.S.'s level of readyness for the 9/11 attacks very low marks.

[Coronado]

There's an interesting discussion going on here:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/jaylake/323482.html

Not meaning to sound harsh or anything, but I agree with Jay - you're ultimately responsoble for your own behaviour. I feel sorry fo the guy's family, but the cops weren't to know he was mentally unstable. The dude said he had planted a bomb and ran off the plane - what were they supposed to do?

[ClintonHammond]

"you're ultimately responsoble for your own behaviour"

The mentally ill are not capable of being responsible on many levels... When your only preception of reality is your mind, and you mind is telling you lies how can you possible be held responsible?

[roundshort]

"you're ultimately responsoble for your own behaviour"

The mentally ill are not capable of being responsible on many levels... When your only preception of reality is your mind, and you mind is telling you lies how can you possible be held responsible?

But if medication can help here, who gets blamed if a diabetic does not take his medication and dies? If this individual would not run around shouting he had a bomb in a plane and airport, because he did not take his medication . . .then . . .

So nexxt time Abdual the mad bomber wants to do some remodeling in a city with a 747, what does he say, do mess with me I am mentally ill, don't mind my box cutter?

[ClintonHammond]

"if medication can help here"

I suggest maybe you learn a little bit about what happens regarding the mentally ill and thier medication.... It is a vicious downward spirial....

I feel sympathy for this poor blighter.... Mental illness sucks, and NOT in the good way.... it's really very too bad than he met his end like this

[roundshort]

"if medication can help here"

I suggest maybe you learn a little bit about what happens regarding the mentally ill and thier medication.... It is a vicious downward spirial....

I feel sympathy for this poor blighter.... Mental illness sucks, and NOT in the good way.... it's really very too bad than he met his end like this

I feel bad for the victums of 9/11 and all other terrorist attacks, they met their end in a worse way. I do feel good knowing we have highly trained Air MArshalls that will dothier job first, and deal with what happens later. Surely a tough talking, straightline walking guy would agree?

[indifan101]

When you have a person who threatens the lives of innocent people with a bomb, and you ask him to freeze and comply and he heads to open the suitcase you have none other choice but to shoot him! It's for the safety of the poeple and best judgement for your own life too! It's a difficult choice but it's a stand-off and you have to think of the other lives at stake! So if you ask me the officer made the right choice. It was for the saftey of the people in the airport.

[ClintonHammond]

"the officer made the right choice"

Given the information he had, I'm inclined to agree.... but that doesn't lessen the tragedy that someone who couldn't HELP himself was gunned down...

This has NOTHING to do with terrorism, except as it applies to Mistaken Identity

[roundshort]

"the officer made the right choice"

Given the information he had, I'm inclined to agree.... but that doesn't lessen the tragedy that someone who couldn't HELP himself was gunned down...

This has NOTHING to do with terrorism, except as it applies to Mistaken Identity

Were you in the miltary ever, as we are trained to suspect everyone in instances where terrorism is suspect (like an airport) this has EVERYTHING (I see you like caps) to do with terrorism. I don't care if the guy is the dude from my left foot, he says in an Airplane or airport he has a bomb, he runs, he does not listen to what the Marshalls have to say, he then reaches in to his bag, that he claimed to have a bomb in it, he gets shot. Where is the mistaken Identity here? If they would have shot the old lady next to him, then yes mistaken identity. Are you asying that all Air Marshalls should ask anyone who claims to have a bomb (and everything else I have listed above) to do do a Psych. Evaluation before they get gunned down? What would have happened if the guy (Crazy or Not) had really had a bomb and killed a bunch of innocent people? I would say that ANYONE who is straps a bomb on thier body, and blows themselves up in a public place has some sort of mental illness, and if he had taken his medication for his disorder (his wife said he had not taken his medication so he knew he had issues) he could have prevented this.

[ClintonHammond]

I guess if you'e going to talk in circles, then I will too... I'll say it all again....

I suggest maybe you learn a little bit about what happens regarding the mentally ill and thier medication.... It is a vicious downward spirial....

I feel sympathy for this poor blighter.... Mental illness sucks, and NOT in the good way.... it's really very too bad than he met his end like this

[roundshort]

I guess if you'e going to talk in circles, then I will too... I'll say it all again....

I suggest maybe you learn a little bit about what happens regarding the mentally ill and thier medication.... It is a vicious downward spirial....

I feel sympathy for this poor blighter.... Mental illness sucks, and NOT in the good way.... it's really very too bad than he met his end like this

OK, so you are saying that people with Bi=polar disorder, even when they know should not be held responsible for thier actions when they do not take thier medication? That seems to be what you are saying when you repeat a statement, Maybe, following your logic, if we never want this to happen again no person with any mental illinesses shoudl ever travel again, as they may sprial downward and yell they have a bomb and get shot, right, ok, Thank God your not in the service.

[ClintonHammond]

"even when they know should not be held responsible for thier(sic.) actions when they do not take thier(sic.) medication?"

Try reading a few books on mental illness... One of the biggest problems is that people build up tolerance for medications.... they require higher and higher doses to treat the same problems... another factor is that people with mental illness sometimes also start to feel good when they do take their meds, and it fools them into thinking that they are well, and don't need their meds any longer.... similar result....

I blame "the System" for letting this guy down, if it was the case that he went off his meds and freaked out.... I don't blame him... I don't blame the marshal who HAD to make the split second decision to take down someone he couldn't know wasn't in control of his own actions...

People off their meds are very dangerous... unfortunately, they are mostly a danger to themselves...

"Thank God your not in the service."
There's no "God" to thank, but I agree... I'd rather eat broken glass than be 'military'

[roundshort]

"even when they know should not be held responsible for thier(sic.) actions when they do not take thier(sic.) medication?"

Try reading a few books on mental illness... One of the biggest problems is that people build up tolerance for medications.... they require higher and higher doses to treat the same problems... another factor is that people with mental illness sometimes also start to feel good when they do take their meds, and it fools them into thinking that they are well, and don't need their meds any longer.... similar result....

I blame "the System" for letting this guy down, if it was the case that he went off his meds and freaked out.... I don't blame him... I don't blame the marshal who HAD to make the split second decision to take down someone he couldn't know wasn't in control of his own actions...

People off their meds are very dangerous... unfortunately, they are mostly a danger to themselves...

"Thank God your not in the service."
There's no "God" to thank, but I agree... I'd rather eat broken glass than be 'military'


Whats wrong with the military and why the 'miltary' what does that mean?

never mind, those with out the guts to serve have no right to make comments about it. Be a Marine for a few years, then we will take, I can not respect anyone who does not serve.

[ClintonHammond]

"Whats wrong with the military"

For me, a lot....

Military... service.... whatever... not my bag....

If it blows your hair back, bully for you... I hope it works out well for you

[roundshort]

Sure, it is a problem, but once again, it si very difficult to feel bad for a person that knows they have a problem and does not do everything in thier power to correct it, and shame on his wife, who also knows he has a problem and not helping.

I fly alot, probably 6 to 7 times a month. I also under went anti-terrorist training in the USMC with F.A.S.T. I probably relize the risk of terrorism more than 95% of all Americans, I for one, and everyone else in America should also, be very happy to know that the Air Marshalls are doing their job. I am not happy that a bi-polar guy went a bit nuts and it got him killed, but it does show we are trying to make the skies a safer place. I started this thread to prove that, not that some nut job got wacked. We, here in America, and over seas can learn from this, to be a bit clamer and more relaxed when we fly.

[tonydelvecchio]

I agree with Roundshort. You reap what you sow. I'm glad the Air Marshalls did their job. Mental illness, while tragic, is not an excuse for that kind of behavior. Obviously the guy wanted to die....

Also, Clinton, there is nothing wrong with the military per se. There is something wrong with some of the people in the military. Usually the wackos who don't take their meds. Shorty's right, I say try two weeks in the Corps. (Word I cannot say here).

[Tessa]

I had to respond to this one. Since I was in the healthcare field fdr almost four years and also have a history of anxiety attacks (which I've come to find out is a low key part of a mental illness), you have to take into the fact that it takes months, sometimes years to get the right dosage of medication for the illness. (For me it took eight months). And there are some people (myself and my son, who has ADHD and has to take medication everyday), who hates the fact of taking medicine for any reason (pride, it gets caught in your throat, you don't have the money for it).

I disagree with the action that was taken. I think the situation would have been handled much differently if he was taking his medication, but if it was discussed rationally and perhaps, if they were able to, to have a psycharist as well, it would have prevented this tragedy.

[Joe Brody]

I'm with the Air Marshal on this one. Dude made the tough choice, he has to live with it -- and I'm not gonna second guess him.

[ClintonHammond]

"I say try two weeks in the Corps"

I'd rather spend 5 years in jail....

[westford]

Running around a plane or airport claiming to have a bomb isn't a smart move, but why shoot to kill? Why not just shoot him in the leg or arm to stop him detonating any bomb he might have had? (The same applies to the London police who shot dead the Brazilian guy on the Tube in the summer, mistaking him for a suicide bomber.)

I have some good friends with bi-polar disorder (me, I just had 'uni-polar' depression - all the downs, none of the ups :rolleyes: ) and some of the medication doctors prescribe for that does all kinds of nasty things to your system - it's no wonder a lot of people don't like to take the drugs.