View Full Version : Are Indy and his dad immortal now?
bosco
03-30-2006, 04:37 AM
Just watched Last crusade and never really thought about it but since they both drank from the grail are they both now immortal?
No, because they left the temple. Also the two brothers who left the temple died.
bosco
03-30-2006, 07:10 AM
So they could only be immortal if they stayed in the temple? So if Donovan wanted to rule the world or whatever he would have to do it from within the temple? sounds a bit rubbish.
soapboxtop
03-30-2006, 08:13 AM
Obviously he's not immortal since we will (hopefully) see him older in Indy 4.
About Donovan, good question...anyone?
StwongBwidge
03-30-2006, 09:50 AM
For one last time on this issue....
THE DRINKER HAD TO REMAIN BEHIND THE SEAL TO BE IMMORTAL - "THATS THE PRICE OF IMMORTALITY". THEY CROSSED IT, THEY'RE MORTAL.
Simple.
And of course this would have applied to Donavon. None of them realised that bit of the grail lore is all - it wasn't even in henry sr's grail diary.
Junior Jones
03-30-2006, 12:20 PM
That's one of those "too good to be true" scenarios.
You'll live forever, but you'll do it alone in the desert without internet access.
qwerty
03-30-2006, 01:37 PM
What would happen if Indy have fallen in the gap? Would he die or would he just spend a lot of time geting out of there?
soapboxtop
03-30-2006, 01:59 PM
My guess is..huh...DIE? :p
phatr32
03-30-2006, 08:32 PM
good queston, when they say immortal, do they mean, cant die from anything, or cant die from only old age?
but! tdrinking from the cup healed jones snr bullet wound, so that would mean if indi fell, he would be stuck under gorund for ever!
steve
Jay R. Zay
03-30-2006, 09:32 PM
No, because they left the temple. Also the two brothers who left the temple died.
always read the small print, huh.:p
Aaron H
03-30-2006, 10:01 PM
No, Indy and Henry are not immortal. Crossing the seal was the boundry of the Grail's power. As it was said above, the Knight explained it.
Did it give Henry and Indy a longer life? That is a possiblity.
Webley
03-30-2006, 10:12 PM
No, because they left the temple. Also the two brothers who left the temple died.
"Of extremely old age":confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Yeah because the first guys stayed in the temple for a few hundred years or so.
qwerty
03-31-2006, 07:59 AM
Listen, the grail did not cross the seal. It fell in the earth gap before the seal. And since Indy did not still pass the seal himself there is no reason why he wouldn't still be immortal if he fell in the gap.
Do not just arogantly respond, think about it.
Well, it'll be nice to see how they work out this little immortality question in Indy IV with an aged Ford...
roundshort
03-31-2006, 11:08 AM
Listen, the grail did not cross the seal. It fell in the earth gap before the seal. And since Indy did not still pass the seal himself there is no reason why he wouldn't still be immortal if he fell in the gap.
Do not just arogantly respond, think about it.
He has a point, If the water healed a fatal wound in Jones Sr., than they could possibly write that when drank from it healed whatever maybe wrong with you, makeing you a "new man" ie, healing any cancers, livers, etc. . .thus extending life . . . just a thought
Moedred
03-31-2006, 12:57 PM
They didn't know what magical power to assign the grail at first, so they borrowed from the Monkey King script: a peach brings Indy back from the dead in the garden, and Kezure disintegates when he eats a peach outside the garden (because he's evil).
It's possible that Henry and Indy were cured of every existing and potential ailment, down to the genetic level... who knows? (In the Mad parody, Henry turned into a young 007.)
Why are the knights so old? I think there's something in the novelization stating every year you age a day. So much for immortality. If he was truly immortal, why the sword and chain mail? Maybe he ventures beyond the seal for water or maintenance or curiosity, aging only then. I wonder if he'd mind a little company (assuming his oath permits it) if Elsa survived the fall. He wouldn't have to wait 60 years for a cure for erectile dysfunction.
roundshort
03-31-2006, 01:01 PM
I like it Moe, Elsa, that slut, likes older guys . . .
Why are the knights so old? I think there's something in the novelization stating every year you age a day. It was more like "aging every day you don't drink from the grail" which means that one sip from the cup doesn't make anyone immortal, but more like stops aging for a short while. And yes, the knight can indeed be killed. He just won't die of old age as long as he keeps drinking from the cup.
darthsidious42
04-01-2006, 04:43 PM
Well, it'll be nice to see how they work out this little immortality question in Indy IV with an aged Ford...
Immortality doesn't mean you stay young forever. Look at the knight, he was old looking and very weak.
indifan101
04-04-2006, 07:38 PM
he should have grabbed some of that holy water and placed it in his canteen! Unless the holy water had to remain inside the pool?
phatr32
04-04-2006, 09:17 PM
man, to sum up the last 2 pages,
basicly to be immortal you had to stay behind the seal. once you cross it, thats it, you start aging again.
We have no evidence why the night aged, we assume because he ventured out past the seal every once in a while.
also, because we saw jones snr's wound get healed, we assume drinking from the cup would have healed the jones boys of any other illnesses that they might have had. thus extending their life, e.g if they had ass cancer and didnt know it, it would have been cured.
So, to answer the question asked, NO they arnt immortal.
steve
Moedred
04-04-2006, 09:50 PM
Henry still carries the bullet, right? Even if it's disrupting a major organ or artery? If the bullet dissolved, I suppose fillings would have dissolved too. And cavities.
Is this thread immortal? :D
phatr32
04-04-2006, 11:43 PM
nope, cause the question has been answerd a million times allready!
steve :whip:
qwerty
04-05-2006, 04:47 AM
Imagine the missing scene of the TLC
Just before Indy dips the cup into the water Brody comes in runing. "Sorry Indy, but my hemoroids are killing me" He pushes Indy away and sit's into the bowl "psssssssss, ahhhhhhhhhhh". Indy - "Well, I aint drinking from there, now"
junior
04-05-2006, 05:39 AM
the catch wasnt you cant cross the seal and retain the grails powers, it was that the grail couldnt cross the seal which stops you from being immortal. the grail doesnt give you immortality, only lengthens your life. the whole conundrum was that to be immortal you needed to stay with the grail and drink from it rituously. so is indy immortal? no, but he does have a longer life. "the price of immortality...", those who gain power are afraid to lose it, that is the curse of immortality that you have to stay with the grail, not that you cant have immortality once you cross a seal because as i said; grail equal long life, not immortality. ie. knight had to drink from it continuously.
Jnr
StwongBwidge
04-05-2006, 10:37 AM
Somebody earlier said "think about it... and don't just reply arrogantly" or words to that effect. Its not arrogant to state the simple truth and say that I cannot believe people still have difficulty grasping this remarkably easy concept from a not-too-intellectual film. They're not immortal. They crossed the seal. I'll go on for hours typing this same tripe if it makes me less arrogant but I don't see what I'm doing wrong??
And to answer other comments, immortality doesn't equal invulnerability. Not being all high and mighty here, I just read my Asterix the Gaul when I was a kid! In there it stated that drinking the magic potion made them invincible not invulnerable - I.e. they'd still die if the hapless romans stabbed them a gazillion times. Lesson for those still struggling to understand the intellectual ramifications of Last Crusade, the chain mail was needed to stop the knight being hacked to death. If he manages to abstain from such a fate - aided no doubt by residing in a cave in the middle of the desert for 800 years - then he'll keep plodding on for ever, provided he takes a sip of that sweet sweet grail juice every so often (apparently in the book).
Someone else said Indy didnt personally cross the seal????? Perplexed by this one. Surely you noticed him outside with his dad and buddies riding off into the sunset an' all?? Means he crossed the seal... personally.
So yes, internal maladies may well have been cured but he's not immortal. Just not poorly.
Is this clear enough?? Have I thought about this enough before stating exactly what I stated before?? If you consider this tone arrogant then tough, your own ignorance is a bigger issue for you I assure you!? ;)
qwerty
04-05-2006, 10:57 AM
The gap that Indy almost fell in was in front of the seal, not beyond it.
So my question was, what would happen if he fell in?
StwongBwidge
04-05-2006, 11:05 AM
The gap that Indy almost fell in was in front of the seal, not beyond it.
So my question was, what would happen if he fell in?
He'd die. Immortal, not invulnerable. He'd stand no more a chance of surviving than Elsa.
Moedred
04-05-2006, 11:59 AM
We understand, StwongBwidge. They're not immortal. It's just that every answer yields two more questions about the grail temple. Questions like:
Wouldn't a doddering old knight eventually fall off the bridge into the abyss?
Why can't the grail go back outside?
Why do the false grails kill ya?
Etc., etc.
(maybe an image of the Great Seal would lend some clues...)
StwongBwidge
04-05-2006, 12:12 PM
We understand, StwongBwidge. They're not immortal. It's just that every answer yields two more questions about the grail temple. Questions like:
Wouldn't a doddering old knight eventually fall off the bridge into the abyss?
Why can't the grail go back outside?
Why do the false grails kill ya?
Etc., etc.
(maybe an image of the Great Seal would lend some clues...)
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phatr32
04-05-2006, 09:01 PM
ummmm, yes........ :rolleyes:
anyways, i was thing more along the lines of,
what did the knight eat? - did the cup fill you up?
what did he do for fun? - he read the same book for 2000 years?
why did they have a knight to look after it for? couldnt they just bury it at the bottom of the abyss, and not leave any clues to where it is?
why do people ask dumb ass questions to a movie thats suppose to be entertaining?
steve
why did they have a knight to look after it for? couldnt they just bury it at the bottom of the abyss, and not leave any clues to where it is?
The Grail was a Holy one, you know.
bosco
04-06-2006, 08:27 AM
Another question... where did the water come from that they drank? Does it every run out?
Could putting coca cola in the grail have the same effect as water?
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