The Dark Knight

[agentsands77]

If Ramirez is still alive, how about her having a more prominent role in a third movie?
I'm sure she will. Especially since she knows about Dent.

She could seek redemption through a feline alter-ego...;)
Nah. That would exclude Selina Kyle as a source of romance for Bruce Wayne, which is 60-70% of the character's appeal.

[The Man]

http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/entertainment/the-dark-knight-may-lose-out-to-the-mummy-20080801.html

'...Universal is set to open up The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor this Friday, and many believe that it has a shot to beat out The Dark Knight.'

'...The Dark Knight is predicted to gross another $40 million in its third weekend.'

'...On the other hand, many expect The Mummy to rake in at least $50 million, which would give it the top spot at the box office.'

[TheMutt92]

http://www.ecanadanow.com/news/entertainment/the-dark-knight-may-lose-out-to-the-mummy-20080801.html

'...Universal is set to open up The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor this Friday, and many believe that it has a shot to beat out The Dark Knight.'

'...The Dark Knight is predicted to gross another $40 million in its third weekend.'

'...On the other hand, many expect The Mummy to rake in at least $50 million, which would give it the top spot at the box office.'

I would run around the street screaming for joy if TDK somehow manages to avoid takedown. It would almost be a definite sign of it beating Titanic (or at least making it to the billionaire's club).

[The Man]

I would run around the street screaming for joy if TDK somehow manages to avoid takedown. It would almost be a definite sign of it beating Titanic (or at least making it to the billionaire's club).

TDK could slip to second place this weekend but retain the top spot once The Mummy 3 runs quickly out of steam. It's received some shonky reviews....

[The Man]

The Knight before Christmas...?

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/santa-brings-the-dark-knight-for-x-mas-4461

'...A mystery informant located deep within the bowels of Hollywood has given us information on the release date of The Dark Knight DVD and it looks likes it's coming just in time for Christmas.

On December 9th, 2008 expect The Dark Knight to hit store shelves and be a huge seller this holiday season.'

No confirmation on the Blu-Ray release, though it's likely to arrive around the same time, right? Right?!

[TheMutt92]

The Knight before Christmas...?

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/santa-brings-the-dark-knight-for-x-mas-4461

'...A mystery informant located deep within the bowels of Hollywood has given us information on the release date of The Dark Knight DVD and it looks likes it's coming just in time for Christmas.

On December 9th, 2008 expect The Dark Knight to hit store shelves and be a huge seller this holiday season.'

Thats at the top of my list! (here's to hoping I can remain a good boy for the rest of the year ;) )

[No Ticket]

Reese or Engel becoming the Riddler is nothing but fanboy speculation, if you ask me. There's nothing to it. And if they did go that route, it would feel somewhat awkward.

I agree... I don't really think there's any connection. Besides, his name is not Mr. Reese it's E. Nigma.

However, I DO think they might put the Riddler in the next movie because he is similar, somewhat, to the Joker and the studio would probably like that and push for that.

Also, I think Nolan originally WANTED Joker to come back in the third one... but now he can't. I remember someone involved, Goyer? Nolan? ... said they thought Heath would want them to re-cast the character. That probably is true, but would anyone accept someone else stepping into that role now after how iconic Ledger has made it in this Batman series? ...

It would be hard to accept and would be difficult to judge how fans would react. But the story would take a hit because I think they wanted to explore more between Joker and Batman in another film. I'd like to see more, but I like the character that Ledger played. Similar to why I want Harrison Ford to play Indiana Jones. Those actors took those characters and gave them something special that only they can give them. Unfortunately we can't get Ledger back. :(

[RocketSledFight]

I agree... I don't really think there's any connection. Besides, his name is not Mr. Reese it's E. Nigma.

However, I DO think they might put the Riddler in the next movie because he is similar, somewhat, to the Joker and the studio would probably like that and push for that.

Also, I think Nolan originally WANTED Joker to come back in the third one... but now he can't. I remember someone involved, Goyer? Nolan? ... said they thought Heath would want them to re-cast the character. That probably is true, but would anyone accept someone else stepping into that role now after how iconic Ledger has made it in this Batman series? ...

It would be hard to accept and would be difficult to judge how fans would react. But the story would take a hit because I think they wanted to explore more between Joker and Batman in another film. I'd like to see more, but I like the character that Ledger played. Similar to why I want Harrison Ford to play Indiana Jones. Those actors took those characters and gave them something special that only they can give them. Unfortunately we can't get Ledger back. :(

Although I would never attribute TDK's success in the box office to the hype created by Ledger's death, I would say that the movie probably grossed a few million more because of it. If they recast the role, I'm willing to bet that the opposite would happen. Recasting would be a bad, unnecessary move.

[The Man]

Children are doomed...

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/08/bat-violent.html

'...The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has apparently received 70 complaints about the certificate awarded to The Dark Knight. Its 12A rating means means children under 12 can see the film if accompanied by an adult.'

[Crusade>Raiders]

Those children are scared for life.

[Peacock's-Eye]

Those children are scared for life.
I saw Taxi Driver when I was 9, and while I found certain elements disturbing, it didn't traumatize me. I understood its intent. TDK wasn't that scary IMO, it winds you up with the industrial noise on the soundtrack - then cuts away so you don't see anything too nasty being done. Two face is no worse than alot of monsters kids are exposed to. However, a 10-12 yr old could easily be bored to tears by the first 90mins.

[The Man]

The Dark Knight reigns. And reigns. And reigns...

http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_The_Dark_Knight_Rules_The_Box_Office_For_Third_Consecutive_Weekend_21431.html

'...Although it opened on the first place on Friday, “The Mummy” was crashed by “The Dark Knight” in this weekend box office.

With $43,800,000 in ticket sales in the last three days, “The Dark Knight” is leading the box office for the third consecutive weekend and it seems ready to achieve new records.'

[Bjorn Heimdall]

The staff in the theatre is still looking for my jaw which dropped from my face last night while watching The Dark Knight. Christ this is a fantastic film.:up: :whip: :gun: :hat: :) :D :p ;) :cool:

Please don't ban me for smiley abuse:o

[No Ticket]

Children are doomed...

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/08/bat-violent.html

'...The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) has apparently received 70 complaints about the certificate awarded to The Dark Knight. Its 12A rating means means children under 12 can see the film if accompanied by an adult.'

I could understand 5 year olds being very scared of Joker. But 10 year olds I doubt it...

However. I certainly wasn't afraid of Jack's Joker when I saw Batman 89 at 5. Not even with him setting a person on fire, essentially, and dancing around singing "I'm glad you're dead! hahahahAHAHa! I'm glad you're dead!!" or lines like "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?" etc. Or when he shot his "#1 Guyyyyyyyyy" for no reason.

Nope. None of that scared me. What scared me was after he fell off the big tower and the little laughing thing in his pocket was going off... as a 5 year old I didn't get that and I thought he was laughing even in death. THAT scared me as a 5 year old. ........ even though that wasn't even what the film intended. Looking back, my 5 year old self came up with a pretty sick and twisted idea! lol.

[The Man]

I could understand 5 year olds being very scared of Joker. But 10 year olds I doubt it...

However. I certainly wasn't afraid of Jack's Joker when I saw Batman 89 at 5. Not even with him setting a person on fire, essentially, and dancing around singing "I'm glad you're dead! hahahahAHAHa! I'm glad you're dead!!" or lines like "Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?" etc. Or when he shot his "#1 Guyyyyyyyyy" for no reason.

Nope. None of that scared me. What scared me was after he fell off the big tower and the little laughing thing in his pocket was going off... as a 5 year old I didn't get that and I thought he was laughing even in death. THAT scared me as a 5 year old. ........ even though that wasn't even what the film intended. Looking back, my 5 year old self came up with a pretty sick and twisted idea! lol.

The '89 Batman carried a '15' certificate over here. How was it rated in the U.S. back then?

[No Ticket]

The '89 Batman carried a '15' certificate over here. How was it rated in the U.S. back then?

PG-13. Same as Dark Knight is now.

[Grizzlor]

Uh, anybody hear about Morgan Freeman? In serious condition after a car crash in Mississippi. I don't know, him, Heath, a stuntman dies, and Maggie broke her arm in a fall. Could be cursed.

[QBComics]

Uh, anybody hear about Morgan Freeman? In serious condition after a car crash in Mississippi. I don't know, him, Heath, a stuntman dies, and Maggie broke her arm in a fall. Could be cursed.

Let's not forget what happened to Christain Bale. :rolleyes: It's karma for beating out every movie this year.

[Crusade>Raiders]

Eckhart and Oldman, watch out!

[The Man]

http://www.superheroflix.com/dvd/news/47/30447.php

'...While The Dark Knight is still tearing up theaters, some developments about the film's Blu-Ray release have surfaced. According to DVD Town, it appears that Warner Bros. may be planning The Dark Knight's Blu-Ray version with BD Live features.'

My player hasn't got those capabilities. Grrr...:mad:

[Peacock's-Eye]

http://www.superheroflix.com/dvd/news/47/30447.php

'...While The Dark Knight is still tearing up theaters, some developments about the film's Blu-Ray release have surfaced. According to DVD Town, it appears that Warner Bros. may be planning The Dark Knight's Blu-Ray version with BD Live features.'

My player hasn't got those capabilities. Grrr...:mad:
Don't worry about it - all BR is a waste of money.
In a few years everything will be Hi-Def satellite download on demand.
I'm not falling for all this "format wars" crapola.

[The Man]

Don't worry about it - all BR is a waste of money.
In a few years everything will be Hi-Def satellite download on demand.
I'm not falling for all this "format wars" crapola.

The Batman Begins Blu-Ray has the same feature. I sat there like an ape for an hour wondering why I couldn't access the 'In-Action Experience' commentary...:up:

[Agent Spalko]

Don't worry about it - all BR is a waste of money.
In a few years everything will be Hi-Def satellite download on demand.
I'm not falling for all this "format wars" crapola.

I already do with PS3 store. Full Hi-def 1080p on-demand movies downloaded to your PS3. iTunes may have a better selection but the H264 codec doesn't quite have the uncompressed quality of Blu-Ray VC-1.

[Peacock's-Eye]

I already do with PS3 store. Full Hi-def 1080p on-demand movies downloaded to your PS3. iTunes may have a better selection but the H264 codec doesn't quite have the uncompressed quality of Blu-Ray VC-1.
It'll get there soon, and the very concept of "storage" will become as extinct as the Dodo. The megacorps are just bilking people into rebuying the same vids over & over again for different platforms. Highway robbery.

[The Man]

Any confirmation of the Dec. 9th release yet?

[Agent Spalko]

I'm actually a big supporter of Blu-ray. I prefer to have physical media because it's MINE and I OWN it. I'm not a fan of digital rentals and I think Apple TV is a joke. It's just an electronic vending machine. You pay several hundreds of dollars to buy a vending machine that you feed with money from your credit card to "rent" movies that will self-destruct within 48 hours after you start watching them. At $4 a pop, I'd rather spend 4 times that for a Blu-ray with all of the bonus materials and feel like I am getting a complete archive of the film that I can watch whenever I want forever. Sure, you can BUY some hi-def movies but it's just the bare-bones movie with no extras. I think the studios need to do day-and-date releases of DVD and Blu-ray and digital downloads that are disc images of the Blu-ray and DVD releases so you have the option to buy it on physical media or download the EXACT same product and can make disc backups and print the disc art. The licensing encryption can be authorized to use it only on that device or other devices that have be authorized to play them.

[Peacock's-Eye]

I'm actually a big supporter of Blu-ray. I prefer to have physical media because it's MINE and I OWN it. I'm not a fan of digital rentals and I think Apple TV is a joke. It's just an electronic vending machine. You pay several hundreds of dollars to buy a vending machine that you feed with money from your credit card to "rent" movies that will self-destruct within 48 hours after you start watching them. At $4 a pop, I'd rather spend 4 times that for a Blu-ray with all of the bonus materials and feel like I am getting a complete archive of the film that I can watch whenever I want forever. Sure, you can BUY some hi-def movies but it's just the bare-bones movie with no extras. I think the studios need to do day-and-date releases of DVD and Blu-ray and digital downloads that are disc images of the Blu-ray and DVD releases so you have the option to buy it on physical media or download the EXACT same product and can make disc backups and print the disc art. The licensing encryption can be authorized to use it only on that device or other devices that have be authorized to play them.
Believe it, the bigwigs hear all this stuff.
First, they'll rob everyone blind - then they put together packages of the optimum services. Happened with cable tv, home video (as in video tapes), dvd - and finally with on-demand "content".
I'm over having to store all this stuff. I actually dumped all my cds onto a hard-drive & sold the physical copies - good riddance. Now I just download off of Amazon or some such service. And I've started scanning my comics & selling the actual books in bundles on ebay - adios. I just don't have room for this stuff anymore, plus whenever there's a ceiling leak or a careless guest - oops! Something you've been holding on to for twenty or thirty years is ruined. Who needs it?
But to each his/her own...

[Agent Spalko]

One thing's for sure, I'll be getting some Dark Knight on Blu-ray and if there's a super expensive collector's edition that will be the one I'm buying. :up:

[sandiegojones]

I'm actually a big supporter of Blu-ray. I prefer to have physical media because it's MINE and I OWN it. I'm not a fan of digital rentals and I think Apple TV is a joke. It's just an electronic vending machine. You pay several hundreds of dollars to buy a vending machine that you feed with money from your credit card to "rent" movies that will self-destruct within 48 hours after you start watching them. At $4 a pop, I'd rather spend 4 times that for a Blu-ray with all of the bonus materials and feel like I am getting a complete archive of the film that I can watch whenever I want forever. Sure, you can BUY some hi-def movies but it's just the bare-bones movie with no extras. I think the studios need to do day-and-date releases of DVD and Blu-ray and digital downloads that are disc images of the Blu-ray and DVD releases so you have the option to buy it on physical media or download the EXACT same product and can make disc backups and print the disc art. The licensing encryption can be authorized to use it only on that device or other devices that have be authorized to play them.
100% agree with you. I like MP3's but I still buy the CD and then I download the tracks to my computer so I can put them on my phone or other places. I especially feel this way for movies. I like owning something.

[No Ticket]

100% agree with you. I like MP3's but I still buy the CD and then I download the tracks to my computer so I can put them on my phone or other places. I especially feel this way for movies. I like owning something.

Exactly. I'm only 23, with-in the demographic to be all into that digital download crap... but I do not even download mp3s. I don't burn CDs... I never use iTunes. I don't use Apple TV... no.

I in fact, still buy all my CD albums (my friends think that's crazy when I could get them for free) and I love to buy DVDs. Why? I love the collection. And for ALL the reasons Spalko mentioned, which are dead-on. I like to have a physical copy. I like to see the box art, the CD/DVD art... the special features, etc. That was one of the perks of owning a DVD when they first came out. Looking back, it seems funny... a time where all you got was the movie itself on video cassette. lol. For pretty much the same price.

[The Man]

Another contender for 'Christmas Present Of The Year'...

http://io9.com/5034825/make-your-own-insane-clown-posse-with-the-many-faces-of-joker

http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/08/jokerart2.jpg http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/08/jokerart1.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Knight-Featuring-Production-Shooting/dp/0789318121

[fixer79]

Another contender for 'Christmas Present Of The Year'...


Already ordered it.
I expect it'll arrive any day now. Looks like a great book! :)

[The Man]

Already ordered it.
I expect it'll arrive any day now. Looks like a great book! :)


http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/08/jokerart2.jpg

That pic in particular is bloody terrifying!

[The Man]

http://www.hollywood.com/news/BO_Early_Tracking_The_Dark_Knight_Soars_Past_Pineapple_Stoners/5288703

The big news from this is that The Dark Knight will score a staggering fourth consecutive weekend win with something in the range of $26.52M compared to $22.95M or so for Pineapple Express.

A month at the top is pretty phenomenal nowadays...

[Deckard]

http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/08/jokerart2.jpg

That pic in particular is bloody terrifying!

That is awesome. I like what they ended up going with but wouldn't have minded that.

[agentsands77]

http://io9.com/assets/images/io9/2008/08/jokerart2.jpg

That pic in particular is bloody terrifying!
Quite terrifying, but ultimately inappropriate for the character. There has to be something of mirth and absurdity about the Joker's appearance... that's so horrific that it would entirely remove that aspect of the character.

[Niteshade007]

http://www.hollywood.com/news/BO_Early_Tracking_The_Dark_Knight_Soars_Past_Pineapple_Stoners/5288703



A month at the top is pretty phenomenal nowadays...

I really am surprised at this. I mean, I expected it to do well, but not this well. But I have to say that it is a movie that deserves its success.

[The Man]

I really am surprised at this. I mean, I expected it to do well, but not this well. But I have to say that it is a movie that deserves its success.

I never thought it would out-gross Iron Man and/or Crystal Skull! There's no prior projection for this level of success. It's just intangible...

[FishbowlHead23]

I never thought it would out-gross Iron Man and/or Crystal Skull! There's no prior projection for this level of success. It's just intangible...

Really? I think it was common sense that Dark Knight would out-gross at least Crystal Skull. The anticipation for this film was on a level never seen and only heightened by Ledgers death. I bet serious cash that this would be the biggest movie of the year. People said I was insane for claiming it would out-do all the Spider-Man films, Indy, Iron Man even. . . I won! :up:

[No Ticket]

Already ordered it.
I expect it'll arrive any day now. Looks like a great book! :)

I heard the majority of the book only contains the script and not as much "production art," etc. that you would expect. Still, I'd like to take a look at the book.

I really think the Joker look they went with was far better than the ones in those pictures. They seem to lack something, frightening though they are. One is a little too gross, IMO.

Oh, and TDK's box office is about to actually top 89's Batman even with inflation factored in... with inflation the original would have grossed around $450 million. That means TDK is actually gathering more ATTENDANCE then the 1989 Bat pic. THAT to me... is even more impressive. You don't often see THAT happen in franchises. Out attending the original? Wow.

Impressive. And it hasn't even opened yet in all markets, so it's foreign gross will probably end up being around $300 million+ when it's all said and done. I hope some people don't decide to not go and see it just to be "different" because everyone else is. I think that kind of thinking is dumb.

But anyway. I still don't think it will out gross Titanic. $600 million would be impressive though... however, Titanic with inflation factored in would be around $900 million today.

Yes. That's insane. I don't remember how long that thing was in theaters... but dang.

[Crusade>Raiders]

Really? I think it was common sense that Dark Knight would out-gross at least Crystal Skull. The anticipation for this film was on a level never seen and only heightened by Ledgers death. I bet serious cash that this would be the biggest movie of the year. People said I was insane for claiming it would out-do all the Spider-Man films, Indy, Iron Man even. . . I won! :up:

Well at the beginning of the year, most people didn't expect it to be the biggest movie of the year. Your friends you bet with are more proof of that.

[The Man]

Tokers no match for Joker...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-boxoffice11-2008aug11,0,299112.story

Score one for Batman versus the stoners as "The Pineapple Express" fell just short of knocking "The Dark Knight" off its perch as box-office leader for the fourth weekend in a row.

That makes "The Dark Knight" the third-highest grossing film of all time, behind "Titanic" and "Star Wars," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of Media By Numbers, a box-office tracking service.

"The staying power of this film is somewhat unprecedented," he said, noting that the last movie to enjoy a four-week run at the top was "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King," which opened in December 2003.

"What makes it even more impressive is the fact that it's a summer film and it's taking on all competitors and prevailing in such a profound way," he said.

[Peacock's-Eye]

It's funny, I've just started reading my way through the 70's, 80's & early 90's Batman issues - many of these I've read before, but many are new to me - and I picked up the three seasons of BM:TAS, which I watched when it was on TV but hadn't collected on DVD.

As much as I appreciate how well TDK is made, and how effective it is, I have to say - it's a very, very weak BM story, and one of the lamest Joker stories ever. The script is extremely repetative, and this stuff has been covered in the other Bat-movies, even the bad ones. And not just in Batman flics - the storyline is very similar to Dirty Harry 2 and other vigilante justice films.

I'd like to see the new creative team get to some fresh material next time around - maybe bring Ra's back properly, with Talia and the Lazarus Pits, or use a less well known adversary, perhaps Mad Hatter, Hush, or something more fun like Man-Bat - something we haven't seen umpteen times already.

[agentsands77]

As much as I appreciate how well TDK is made, and how effective it is, I have to say - it's a very, very weak BM story, and one of the lamest Joker stories ever.
I personally can't think of a better Joker story.

The script is extremely repetative, and this stuff has been covered in the other Bat-movies, even the bad ones.
How so? Batman's character arc has certainly never been framed in such a way in any previous Batman film.

[Peacock's-Eye]

[QUOTE=agentsands77]I personally can't think of a better Joker story.
QUOTE]
Batman #1 (first & last stories)
"The Joker's Five Way Revenge"
#426-429 "A Death In The Family"
Batman Adventures "Mad Love'
"No Man's Land" (1999 arc)
The Dark Knight Returns
The Killing Joke
The Man Who Laughs

Return of the Joker (Uncut)
Mask of the Phantasm
Joker's Christmas (TAS)

- even Batman 1989 is closer to the literary character of the Joker.

That's just off the top of my head.
This is a matter of taste of course & I'm not downing TDK - I really enjoyed it.

[TheMutt92]

Tokers no match for Joker...

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/business/la-fi-boxoffice11-2008aug11,0,299112.story

Anyone think this can make it five weeks at the top? :p

[The Man]

Anyone think this can make it five weeks at the top? :p

Depends. What's out next weekend?

[Peacock's-Eye]

Depends. What's out next weekend?
Clone Wars - but I highly doubt it will make a dent at the B.O., tho I also think it will be a little more popular than expected.

[The Man]

Clone Wars - but I highly doubt it will make a dent at the B.O., tho I also think it will be a little more popular than expected.

Tropic Thunder arrives aswell...

http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10876

With Tropic Thunder and Star Wars: The Clone Wars opening next weekend, it will most likely not see a fifth consecutive weekend at the head of the pack.

[No Ticket]

[QUOTE=agentsands77]I personally can't think of a better Joker story.
QUOTE]
Batman #1 (first & last stories)
"The Joker's Five Way Revenge"
#426-429 "A Death In The Family"
Batman Adventures "Mad Love'
"No Man's Land" (1999 arc)
The Dark Knight Returns
The Killing Joke
The Man Who Laughs

Return of the Joker (Uncut)
Mask of the Phantasm
Joker's Christmas (TAS)

- even Batman 1989 is closer to the literary character of the Joker.

That's just off the top of my head.
This is a matter of taste of course & I'm not downing TDK - I really enjoyed it.

I can see what you're saying. They based a lot of this on The Killing Joke though. As did Batman 1989. So I mean, they know of those stories... they don't want to repeat them.

But I mean, I don't think in Nolan's world Joker would bust out a giant electric chair that electrocutes Batman when a gassed audience (who'll laugh at anything) laughs. Even thought that's a pretty Joker thing to do.

And yeah, Clone Wars and Tropic Thunder are gonna take over TDK.

[The Man]

And yeah, Clone Wars and Tropic Thunder are gonna take over TDK.


I'd say that's a fair bet. TDK has confounded many until now, but a fifth week with double the competition? Nah...

[Peacock's-Eye]

[QUOTE=Peacock's-Eye]

I can see what you're saying. They based a lot of this on The Killing Joke though. As did Batman 1989. So I mean, they know of those stories... they don't want to repeat them.

But I mean, I don't think in Nolan's world Joker would bust out a giant electric chair that electrocutes Batman when a gassed audience (who'll laugh at anything) laughs. Even thought that's a pretty Joker thing to do.

And yeah, Clone Wars and Tropic Thunder are gonna take over TDK.
Apart from the essence of the Joker's motivation, I don't see anything from TKJ in TDK. I love what Heath did, and Nolan, but the Joker isn't an urban terrorist with facial scars & a 'message'. I don't know who that is. The Joker is truly a comedian & clown, albiet a twisted, homicidal one! Without the Joker poison, gadgets, and big set pieces, sorry, that's not the established literary character. Apart from the great scene where he seduces Harvey Dent over to his side, this Joker just repeats himself, a real weakness in the script throughout, IMO.

I love GL and am looking forward to CW, but it really looks like a footnote to the summer movie releases, although it might surprise everyone.

[The Man]

One question: if The Dark Knight continues it's cinematic run longer than projected, how will this affect the DVD and/or Blu-Ray release date?

[TheMutt92]

One question: if The Dark Knight continues it's cinematic run longer than projected, how will this affect the DVD and/or Blu-Ray release date?

Not sure. I remember when Night at the Museum was still doing real well after a long time theatres got mad cause the film got released on DVD before any of them wanted to pull the film.

[agentsands77]

I personally can't think of a better Joker story.

Batman #1 (first & last stories)
"The Joker's Five Way Revenge"
#426-429 "A Death In The Family"
Batman Adventures "Mad Love'
"No Man's Land" (1999 arc)
The Dark Knight Returns
The Killing Joke
The Man Who Laughs

Return of the Joker (Uncut)
Mask of the Phantasm
Joker's Christmas (TAS)

- even Batman 1989 is closer to the literary character of the Joker.

That's just off the top of my head.
This is a matter of taste of course & I'm not downing TDK - I really enjoyed it.
I've read and seen all of those, but I don't think any of those are superior Joker stories to THE DARK KNIGHT. But I'm also in the camp that sees Ledger's Joker as perhaps the most satisfying version of the character to date.

[Peacock's-Eye]

I've read and seen all of those, but I don't think any of those are superior Joker stories to THE DARK KNIGHT. But I'm also in the camp that sees Ledger's Joker as perhaps the most satisfying version of the character to date.
Purely a matter of taste, but I certainly don't agree.
It worked brilliantly for one film, but far from the best Joker to me.

[RocketSledFight]

Purely a matter of taste, but I certainly don't agree.
It worked brilliantly for one film, but far from the best Joker to me.

What's your favorite interpretation of the character?

[Peacock's-Eye]

What's your favorite interpretation of the character?
I don't have a single uber-Joker, just a combination of all the central elements that make up the character. If I had to choose of favorite story, off the top of my head I think "Return of the Joker" tops 'em all - just the flashback - that's about as edgy & warped as you can get! But I also love all the goofy four-color 50's comics as well - lots of great Joker stories that are just outlandish & fun. My second fave might be DKR - drawing the Joker like Peter O'Toole in drag, calling Batman "my darling" and all that - very effective. Detective Comics #526 is a favorite too.

[DIrishB]

But anyway. I still don't think it will out gross Titanic. $600 million would be impressive though... however, Titanic with inflation factored in would be around $900 million today.

Yes. That's insane. I don't remember how long that thing was in theaters... but dang.

Titanic was in theaters for something like 9 months (from December 1997 to September 1998). So in terms of amount of money made to time released, The Dark Knight is spanking ass there too. Granted, it has a way to go to take the all time worldwide grossing spot from Titanic, and I doubt it'll stay in theaters long enough to do so. Though if left in theaters for another 3-4 months, I'm sure it could accomplish it even with large drop offs in attendance domestically.

And as was said, a lot of the international markets haven't had TDK released to them yet (the Phillipines, for instance, doesn't usually see US movies until 4-8 months after they're released here).

[No Ticket]

And as was said, a lot of the international markets haven't had TDK released to them yet (the Phillipines, for instance, doesn't usually see US movies until 4-8 months after they're released here).

Yeah but the 600 million is DOMESTIC gross so that doesn't matter really. I seriously doubt it could take the worldwide #1 spot.

[Cagefighterkip]

this is the best comic book movie ever.

nuff said.

[Peacock's-Eye]

this is the best comic book movie ever.

nuff said.
Nah, the Fleischer Superman theatrical shorts are.

[agentsands77]

this is the best comic book movie ever.

nuff said.
Indeed. :up:

[The Man]

Nooooooo!!!

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0468569

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/dff.jpg?t=1218492272

[Peacock's-Eye]

Nooooooo!!!

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0468569

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/dff.jpg?t=1218492272
Why do you keep referencing SW movies?
TDK has nothing to do with SW.
That list would change every month if they updated it, whatever.

[Mike00spy]

Yeah but the 600 million is DOMESTIC gross so that doesn't matter really. I seriously doubt it could take the worldwide #1 spot.


No, it can't. (I am assuming you are talking about all time)

Also, no one is adjusting Titantic's gross for inflation. . . which would make the total to beat 900 milllion.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

[Niteshade007]

Why do you keep referencing SW movies?
TDK has nothing to do with SW.
That list would change every month if they updated it, whatever.

Because Star Wars was the first time anyone ever said an elongated "No"...

[ResidentAlien]

Nooooooo!!!

http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0468569

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/dff.jpg?t=1218492272


TDK certainly doesn't deserve #1...


But dethroned by Shaw**** Redemption?

Ugh.



It's a mad mad mad mad world. :down:

[Agent Spalko]

I would love it if TDK dethroned Titanic. No movie has been more undeserving of being #1.

[WillKill4Food]

I would love it if TDK dethroned Titanic. No movie has been more undeserving of being #1.
I liked Titanic, but you're right, a lot of people think it's better than it is. Of course, that happens a lot. :rolleyes:

[HovitosKing]

I would love it if TDK dethroned Titanic. No movie has been more undeserving of being #1.

I happen to agree with you. I have no idea how that travesty was allowed to happen, or to survive as #1 for so long.

[The Man]

I seem to recall 'ickle Jake Lloyd proclaiming that the The Phantom Menace would "put Titanic in a box"...

Wasn't this kid supposed to see things before they happen..? :rolleyes:

[No Ticket]

No, it can't. (I am assuming you are talking about all time)

Also, no one is adjusting Titantic's gross for inflation. . . which would make the total to beat 900 milllion.


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

I'm well aware no one is adjusting it for inflation. I was just mentioning how much money Titanic would make in today's market. I mean if you think TDK is doing amazing now, Titanic would've made 900 million today. That's what I was trying to say. And All-Time Domestic is what I was talking about. (not all-time worldwide)

Titanic is an okay film. I've never seen it more than once though. But I couldn't see even then why it deserved #1.

[MaxPhactor23]

The thing with Titanic is that it had universal appeal. Nearly anyone can enjoy a love story/tragic period piece if done well. It doesn’t segregate it’s audience. Lets face it…how many old Grandmas, conservative families, and ogling lovestruck teenieboppers are you going to get with a guy dressed up like a bat fighting a madman clown? It doesn't matter how well it's done, the very concept doesn't win them over to begin with. It’s limiting their demographic. You’re going to get predominately males or comic nerds. You’ll get a few outsiders, more so with Ledgers death added to the mix, but the scope of tickets that could be sold for Titanic was of a much wider range of people types. For as much as I’d like Batman to be Titanics proverbial iceberg, I just can’t see it happening. Still…I’m more then pleased to see it’s fairing almost ridiculously well.

[The Man]

Iron Man Gives Batman Less Than Zero..?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a122064/downey-jr-slams-the-dark-knight.html

Downey Jr., whose Marvel superhero film Iron Man was the highest-grossing film of the year until Christopher Nolan's sequel debuted, told MovieHole that he found the latest Batman movie too complicated.

He explained: "It's like a Ferrari engine of storytelling and script writing and I'm like, 'That's not my idea of what I want to see in a movie'.

"I didn't understand The Dark Knight. Didn't get it, still can't tell you what happened in the movie, what happened to the character and in the end they need him to be a bad guy."

He added: "You know what? F*ck DC Comics. That's all I have to say and that's where I'm really coming from."

This guy is still clean, right?

[Peacock's-Eye]

That's hilarious!
I guess he's just jealous.
Or the journalist made the whole thing up, which happens.
Or he's one seriously committed Marvelite!

Y'know, if you read IM issue #200 by Denny O'neil, from which they cribbed 50% of the movie, it actually has a better script than the film.

[DocWhiskey]

I like Downey, I think he's a good actor, but to me it seems he's just a tad jealous of TDK's success. Iron Man was an awesome film, but TDK blew it out of the water. And TDK isn't really a hard film to understand. I mean, you definetly need to see it more than once to get all the nuances here and there, but it still blows your mind seeing it once. And about the whole "**** DC Comics" line, that's straight up jealousy. I'm a way bigger Marvel fan than DC fan, but I still love both. Maybe he should have OD'ed so Iron Man could've been a bigger hit:rolleyes: .

[Gustav]

The Dark Knight was pretty complicated. Several times they have three different scenes happening at the same time and there were a talking scenes which I don't know what was being talked about. I also don't know why Batman had to take the blame for Two-Face killing people. That makes no sense.

[Peacock's-Eye]

The Dark Knight was pretty complicated. Several times they have three different scenes happening at the same time and there were a talking scenes which I don't know what was being talked about. I also don't know why Batman had to take the blame for Two-Face killing people. That makes no sense.
The legend of Harvey Dent lives on to inspire the people of Gotham, because Batman is too dark & dangerous a hero. I think that was the idea.

[Agent Spalko]

The Dark Knight was pretty complicated. Several times they have three different scenes happening at the same time and there were a talking scenes which I don't know what was being talked about. I also don't know why Batman had to take the blame for Two-Face killing people. That makes no sense.

Because he can make the choice that no one else can make. Because he's the hero that Gotham needs, not the one that it deserves. Because he's the silent guardian, the watchful protector...

The Dark Knight.

[Raiders112390]

Because he can make the choice that no one else can make. Because he's the hero that Gotham needs, not the one that it deserves. Because he's the silent guardian, the watchful protector...

The Dark Knight.

Because he has an over-inflated ego and a napoleon complex that no one can top, because he has millions and billions of fan boys who can't take their eyes off his body in that tight outfit, because he's Batman, man and he's deep and dark and gothic and because he makes me feel better about myself!

[Peacock's-Eye]

Because he has an over-inflated ego and a napoleon complex that no one can top, because he has millions and billions of fan boys who can't take their eyes off his body in that tight outfit, because he's Batman, man and he's deep and dark and gothic and because he makes me feel better about myself!
Heh heh heh - brilliant.

[Agent Spalko]

I always knew that flaming peacock was eShine.

http://www.ev1.pair.com/colorTV/images/peacock_button.gif

[Peacock's-Eye]

I always knew that flaming peacock was eShine.

http://www.ev1.pair.com/colorTV/images/peacock_button.gif
Wha?
Wanna rephrase in english?
BTW: do you recite that Bat-mantra like the Lord's Prayer before getting into bed every night?

[DocWhiskey]

The Dark Knight was pretty complicated. Several times they have three different scenes happening at the same time and there were a talking scenes which I don't know what was being talked about. I also don't know why Batman had to take the blame for Two-Face killing people. That makes no sense.

Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face was Joker's ace in the hole. All this other stuff he was doing was just a diversion to keep Batman busy while he brings Harvey down to his level. Harvey is inspiring the Gotham citizens with his courageousness and truth. He's their white knight. Joker wants to break Gotham's spirit by showing the citizens that even a saint like Harvey Dent could be corrupted and fail. Thus leading Gotham back to it's normal corrupted chaotic self. Showing there's no hope. And Joker succeeded. Harvey's spirit was broken and he went on a killing spree. So when Harvey was finally taken down, Batman decided he'd take the blame for the deaths since he's a neutral party. That way Gotham never knows what really happened to Dent. So they still see him as a white knight.

Simple, right?

Frankly I don't know why Batman and Gordon didn't just say, "Hey, let's just blame Harvey's killing spree on The Joker." But, whatever.

[Agent Spalko]

Frankly I don't know why Batman and Gordon didn't just say, "Hey, let's just blame Harvey's killing spree on The Joker." But, whatever.

A number of reasons:

1) When Dent had Gordon's family at the place where Rachel died, the police had a border already set up. By this time, Joker was in custody. Had they blamed Joker, everyone would have known they were lying. That would prompt an investigation into the other deaths. Batman and Gordon wanted to preserve Dent's image as the "White Knight," giving the citizens of Gotham hope.

2) Batman wouldn't want to falsely pin crimes on even someone like the Joker.

3) After the events of The Dark Knight, Batman can no longer allow himself to be affiliated with Gotham Police without risking more deaths. By "rebranding" himself, he not only severs all ties to authority, he is also "becoming the villain." As Dent is allowed to die a hero, Batman must accept the opposite responsibility. (i.e.- Dent's phrase, "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.")

4) Harvey Dent is a leading prosecutor. If word was to get out that he's a crazy killer, all the crime bosses in prison would have sufficient grounds for appeal. All the convictions of all the cases Dent has ever tried could be overturned, and all the crime bosses would be back on the street. The movie mentions this a few times. In their first meeting, the mayor cautioned Dent that he had better watch himself, because all they need is a little dirt on him and all the cases would crumble. During the scene where Dent threatens the fake honor guard who was actually a paranoid schizophrenic, Batman warns Dent that killing him would put all the cases in jeopardy. Batman reiterates this to Gordon at the end.

5) During their final confrontation, the Joker explains that Batman's weakness is his adherence to rules. Why abide by a code when your enemies obviously don't? Pinning Two-Face's crimes on Batman is sending a message to the public, and it's not a terribly positive one. This also plays into his psychological dilemma evidenced by the line "I've seen what I have to become to stop men like him."

[DocWhiskey]

^Ah, I see now. Thanks for the explanation, Spalko. I don't know how I overlooked those reasons. This movie is great to analyze because it all makes perfect sense.

Now all I need is an explanation on how the Joker is the only one standing when he blows up the body in the police department. But I think I'm gettin' to picky now.

[The Man]

He's looking at 24 whole hours...

http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2008/08/man_dressed_as_joker_gets_1_da.html

A man made up as the "Joker" who police say was caught trying to steal Batman movie posters from a Three Rivers theater pleaded guilty Tuesday to a property-destruction misdemeanor and was sentenced to one day in jail.

Spencer Taylor, 20, of Three Rivers, also was ordered to do 16 hours of community service work and to pay victim restitution of $300 and court costs and fines by March 1 in order to avoid a 14-day jail term, a spokeswoman for the St. Joseph County Prosecutor's Office said.

http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2008/08/small_small_joker07.jpg
"I want my phonecall."

[No Ticket]

http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2008/08/small_small_joker07.jpg
"I want my phonecall."

He looks more like Dr. Crane to me.

[Mike00spy]

Now all I need is an explanation on how the Joker is the only one standing when he blows up the body in the police department. But I think I'm gettin' to picky now.


It's called a plot hole.

[sandiegojones]

Now all I need is an explanation on how the Joker is the only one standing when he blows up the body in the police department. But I think I'm gettin' to picky now.
The whole department didn't blow up, just the holding cell. He created a chaotic diversion to escape. No plot hole.

[agentsands77]

It's called a plot hole.
Not if you go by the definition of "plot hole."

[The Man]

When arguing with Lucius over the sonar-observation thingy, why does Bruce use his Batman voice..? :up:

Sure, TDK has its niggles, but the overall quality is impeccable...

[Mike00spy]

A number of reasons:

1) When Dent had Gordon's family at the place where Rachel died, the police had a border already set up. By this time, Joker was in custody. Had they blamed Joker, everyone would have known they were lying. That would prompt an investigation into the other deaths. Batman and Gordon wanted to preserve Dent's image as the "White Knight," giving the citizens of Gotham hope.

I thought Batman was blamed for the deaths of Two-Face's vicitms, not Dent's death. You can easily save Dent's image without having to resort to blaming Batman. You can easily blame the deaths on Marroone's men. Or, you can quite simply have an unsolved crime. You telling me that Gotham, of all places, doesn't have unsolved crimes?

If he was blamed for Dent's death, you would still have plenty of people asking questions.

"Why in the world was Dent here?"
"Why does Dent's gun match the bullets taken from these cop deaths?"
"Batman never uses a gun"
"Why does Batman not have a motive for these deaths, when Dent obviously does.... and it was his gun to begin with"
"Batman was fighting the Joker, when Gordon fielded the call, which lead to his capture. Who, then, made the original call?"
"Why would Batman kill Dent after taking the time to save him from the Joker earlier in the film?

Batman as a killer doesn't hold up in any way, shape, or form. Certainly, Gordon would look pretty bad if it was found out that Batman was really innocent.

2) Batman wouldn't want to falsely pin crimes on even someone like the Joker.

Yes, because it is morally okay to lie to the public by implicating an innocent person, but not okay to lie to the public by blaming a mass murderer?


3) After the events of The Dark Knight, Batman can no longer allow himself to be affiliated with Gotham Police without risking more deaths. By "rebranding" himself, he not only severs all ties to authority, he is also "becoming the villain." As Dent is allowed to die a hero, Batman must accept the opposite responsibility. (i.e.- Dent's phrase, "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.")

The police could just go further in distancing themselves from Batman. If it is necessary for the people of Gotham to hate Batman, what does that really say? That the idea of Batman is something to be despised? That he is in no way a hero? Then why in the world are we bothering watching these movies?

4) Harvey Dent is a leading prosecutor. If word was to get out that he's a crazy killer, all the crime bosses in prison would have sufficient grounds for appeal. All the convictions of all the cases Dent has ever tried could be overturned, and all the crime bosses would be back on the street. The movie mentions this a few times. In their first meeting, the mayor cautioned Dent that he had better watch himself, because all they need is a little dirt on him and all the cases would crumble. During the scene where Dent threatens the fake honor guard who was actually a paranoid schizophrenic, Batman warns Dent that killing him would put all the cases in jeopardy. Batman reiterates this to Gordon at the end.

Like I said before, since there is zero evidence Batman killed those cops, then it is just as easy to blame it on the mob, or just to have it unsolved.

5) During their final confrontation, the Joker explains that Batman's weakness is his adherence to rules. Why abide by a code when your enemies obviously don't? Pinning Two-Face's crimes on Batman is sending a message to the public, and it's not a terribly positive one. This also plays into his psychological dilemma evidenced by the line "I've seen what I have to become to stop men like him."

I always thought that meant that Batman would have to break his one rule (killing) in order to get rid of the Joker. (Which of course he already broke at the end of Batman Begins, but oh well.) I suppose you can also use that line when he was illegally spying on every citizen of Gotham, too.

[Mike00spy]

The whole department didn't blow up, just the holding cell. He created a chaotic diversion to escape. No plot hole.


His whole escape streches the limits of logic to their breaking point.


A) There is no reason to leave a cop inside the interrogation room with the Joker first of all. That screams, "Hey, the Joker is going to escape by capturing the cop!"

B) The hapless cop wanted his buddies to shoot the Joker. They had a clear shot. Even more so when the Joker focused his attention to call the number! The Joker couldn't have killed the cop with the piece of glass, since a shot to the head would kill him instantly, not give him the strength to then tear out the cop's throat. I suppose I just have to believe that the cops were just stupid in order to NOT admit the movie messed up there.

C) What in the world happened to the other cops? The Joker grabbed the Chinese man and just walked out of the building. Did the blast just go around the Joker, kinda of like a new age magic bullet, and just take out the cops?


===

It is okay... the movie is not perfect ... nothing is.

[sandiegojones]

It is okay... the movie is not perfect ... nothing is.
You lie! KOTCS and the SW PT are perfect. PERFECT I SAY!!!!

[Errex]

A few notes.

Regarding A) : Batman had already kicked the cr*p out of the Joker, and he didn't look particularily adept at hand-to-hand combat, so no harm in having someone watching him inside the interrogation room while they arranged to move him back to his cell.

B) People do not become cops to shoot people in the head. Gordon's men were dealing with the Joker taking a hostage as by the book as possible, given the circumstances.

C) I guess Gordon's unit just didn't have that many officers around at the time, since most seemed to go out to rescue Dent and Rachel. It's never clear if both locations were at the same distance from Gordon's Unit. My guess is Batman chose the one farthest, since with his Batpod he could arrive sooner than the GCPD patrol cars.

[Mike00spy]

A few notes.

Regarding A) : Batman had already kicked the cr*p out of the Joker, and he didn't look particularily adept at hand-to-hand combat, so no harm in having someone watching him inside the interrogation room while they arranged to move him back to his cell.

You NEVER EVER leave a cop inside a room with a prisoner who doesn't even have handcuffs on and one who is as dangerous as the Joker!! There is no need for the cop to "watch him" from inside the room. Just lock the door.

Like I said, you have to use the excuse, "the cops are incompetant" in order to excuse problems in the script.

B) People do not become cops to shoot people in the head. Gordon's men were dealing with the Joker taking a hostage as by the book as possible, given the circumstances.

No one would shed a tear over the Joker's death. They were within their rights to deal with the situation that way... by saving the cop. It happens sometimes. Just like how the SWAT team was willing to take out a bunch of the Joker's men (who were the hostages) during the seige of the building.

C) I guess Gordon's unit just didn't have that many officers around at the time, since most seemed to go out to rescue Dent and Rachel. It's never clear if both locations were at the same distance from Gordon's Unit. My guess is Batman chose the one farthest, since with his Batpod he could arrive sooner than the GCPD patrol cars.

I would leave more than just 3 cops to guard an important prison like that.

[Mike00spy]

Not if you go by the definition of "plot hole."


A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.

[Peacock's-Eye]

>>You NEVER EVER leave a cop inside a room with a prisoner who doesn't even have handcuffs on and one who is as dangerous as the Joker!! There is no need for the cop to "watch him" from inside the room. Just lock the door.<<
I found that to be really idiotic, unbelievable & lazy too.

[agentsands77]

A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.
But that event wasn't a "gap or inconsistency in a storyline." It's just a rather crazy event, but far from impossible or beyond the boundaries of the story.

[agentsands77]

No one would shed a tear over the Joker's death. They were within their rights to deal with the situation that way... by saving the cop. It happens sometimes. Just like how the SWAT team was willing to take out a bunch of the Joker's men (who were the hostages) during the seige of the building.
Things still go differently in hostage situations. They try to avoid murder at all costs. But to suggest that the GCPD was acting stupidly isn't really that far-reaching, after all... regular cops aren't uniformly intelligent people, especially in a city like Gotham, and I got the impression in those scenes that the cops weren't supposed to be among the brightest bulbs in the shed.

I would leave more than just 3 cops to guard an important prison like that.It wasn't a prison, it was just the cop headquarters, and it was the middle of the night so most of the cops were out and about. Most of the cops had to leave to try and rescue Rachel, so out of necessity things were spread thin.

[Peacock's-Eye]

Things still go differently in hostage situations. They try to avoid murder at all costs. But to suggest that the GCPD was acting stupidly isn't really that far-reaching, after all... regular cops aren't uniformly intelligent people, especially in a city like Gotham, and I got the impression in those scenes that the cops weren't supposed to be among the brightest bulbs in the shed.

It wasn't a prison, it was just the cop headquarters, and it was the middle of the night so most of the cops were out and about. Most of the cops had to leave to try and rescue Rachel, so out of necessity things were spread thin.
I love how everyone who's seen this movie's a f'n expert in police procedure now. It's a very weak link in the story, and there are several parts like that. Now, being the simple minded KCS lovin' person I am, don't mind it - the movie succeeded in entertaining me. But it's not the tightest script possible, and there are holes & convenient lapses of logic.

[Mike00spy]

I love how everyone who's seen this movie's a f'n expert in police procedure now. It's a very weak link in the story, and there are several parts like that. Now, being the simple minded KCS lovin' person I am, don't mind it - the movie succeeded in entertaining me. But it's not the tightest script possible, and there are holes & convenient lapses of logic.

Exactly.

We all have room in our brains to say "that was a weak link the story b/c it was completely illogical" and say that TDK was a great movie. We can do that, right?

[WillKill4Food]

...there are holes & convenient lapses of logic.
This is common in all forms of storytelling, and always has been. Even James Fenimore Cooper, one of the fathers of adventure novels, suffered from this.

[agentsands77]

Exactly.

We all have room in our brains to say "that was a weak link the story b/c it was completely illogical" and say that TDK was a great movie. We can do that, right?
Well sure. And there are plot holes in TDK that are entirely problematic, and pretty unresolvable.

But I also don't subscribe to the thought that every character's response should be the so-called "right and intelligent" response. I only require the responses to be plausible given the characters we're dealing with, and I don't really find all of what you suggest to be huge issues implausible given the Gotham police force. I mean, I think it's kind of implicit in the way those scenes unfold that we're not supposed to think the cops are making the right decisions, after all.

[The Man]

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/westcoastlife/story.html?id=b343a176-4c04-4125-8f46-ca75cf41125a

The Dark Knight is racing up the ranks, but the Batman sequel will stall at No. 2 with about $510 million to $520 million, Warner Bros. Pictures predicts.

For there's one simple reason the box office party likely will end sooner rather than later for Dark Knight and it's spelled D-V-D.



http://www.thehdroom.com/news/The_Dark_Knight_on_Blu-ray_December_9/3277

We've now received word from our trusty friends over at HDAddicts.com that Warner is indeed planning to release The Dark Knight December 9 on Blu-ray Disc per an early retailer sales sheet.

[The Man]

But it's not the tightest script possible, and there are holes & convenient lapses of logic.

True, it's dreadfully sloppy, cynical screenwriting. Under the direction of 'better, 'gifted' 'writers', The Joker could have jumped into the cops' hidden beer-fridge and ride the blast out of the station altogether, while a posse of purple-clad career-criminal monkeys open Lao's cell-door and force him to swing out the window from hanging lights. Whoaa..!

Shame on you, Christopher. Shame on you, Jonathan. Have you learned nothing from the masters?

[Peacock's-Eye]

True, it's dreadfully sloppy, cynical screenwriting. Under the direction of 'better, 'gifted' 'writers', The Joker could have jumped into the cops' hidden beer-fridge and ride the blast out of the station altogether, while a posse of purple-clad career-criminal monkeys open Lao's cell-door and force him to swing out the window from hanging lights. Whoaa..!

Shame on you, Christopher. Shame on you, Jonathan. Have you learned nothing from the masters?
What's the difference? Really? They're both ways of getting out of writing the story into a corner. They're both unbelievable. Only you and a handful of noisy whiners seem to have a problem or are anxious to make comparisons.

[TheMutt92]

What's the difference? Really? They're both ways of getting out of writing the story into a corner. They're both unbelievable. Only you and a handful of noisy whiners seem to have a problem or are anxious to make comparisons.

Yeah, I mean, can we just accept the fact that while trying to be a 'real' movie, The Dark Knight is still in essence a comic book?

[The Man]

The Dark Knight is coming home. But how is he dressed..?

http://www.cinemablend.com/dvdnews/I-Don-t-Believe-In-The-Dark-Knight-Packaging-11757.html?tid=2924

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/gallery/s11757/_12188129799658.jpg http://www.cinemablend.com/images/gallery/s11757/_12188129785224.jpg

[Shortie]

I saw it on Sunday. It was pretty damn good. Second best movie of the year & best film of the year.

Movie meaning fun, film meaning Oscar worthy typer stuff.

[ResidentAlien]

I saw it on Sunday. It was pretty damn good. Second best movie of the year & best film of the year.

Movie meaning fun, film meaning Oscar worthy typer stuff.


Are those your own ridiculous, arbitrary definitions?

[No Ticket]

>>You NEVER EVER leave a cop inside a room with a prisoner who doesn't even have handcuffs on and one who is as dangerous as the Joker!! There is no need for the cop to "watch him" from inside the room. Just lock the door.<<
I found that to be really idiotic, unbelievable & lazy too.

Well. Batman broke the glass windows of the room and he probably could have gotten out through there so they sent a cop to watch him. The cop seems to be of the mindset that the Joker has no weapons so he is harmless. Not counting on the shards of glass (duh) that Joker could use.

I agree he gets out of the place rather easily, but, we don't really need to see how he got out. Obviously he blew the jail cell up, killed some cops and stole a police car.

It's not like you don't know he isn't going to die yet. He's the friggin Joker, he has immunity AT LEAST until his match-up with Batman at the end.

[The Man]

http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2008/08/dark-knight-new.html

While "The Dark Knight" is poised to become the second-highest all-time box office champ this weekend, does this new status increase its Oscar hopes? Yes, of course, Heath Ledger will likely get a posthumous bid for best supporting actor, and it'll nab tech noms galore, but we're talkin' 'bout a shot at the big jackpot prize: best picture. Possible? Likely even?

[DIrishB]

Yeah but the 600 million is DOMESTIC gross so that doesn't matter really. I seriously doubt it could take the worldwide #1 spot.

As I said, if The Dark Knight were to stay in theaters half as long as Titanic was (9 months), I guarantee it would double or even triple Titanic's gross (domestic and foreign). The fact that its made as much as it has in less than a month (yes, still hasn't even been a month yet) speaks volumes of TDK's earning power...which this case proves shouldn't be concerned strictly with the total amount made by the movie, but the total amount made vs. time in theater.

Its hard not to break records when you're in theaters for the major portion of a year (Titanic), despite whatever "universal appeal" it may have had.

I like Downey, I think he's a good actor, but to me it seems he's just a tad jealous of TDK's success. Iron Man was an awesome film, but TDK blew it out of the water. And TDK isn't really a hard film to understand. I mean, you definetly need to see it more than once to get all the nuances here and there, but it still blows your mind seeing it once. And about the whole "**** DC Comics" line, that's straight up jealousy. I'm a way bigger Marvel fan than DC fan, but I still love both. Maybe he should have OD'ed so Iron Man could've been a bigger hit:rolleyes: .

I honestly think Downey was just joking. He's that type of guy. He's constantly sarcastic. He's also quite intelligent, so I doubt he failed to understand The Dark Knight. This is more along the lines of him just ribbing TDK merely because its a DC property and he's now established as playing the title character in a major Marvel franchise.

He's joking.

[Mike00spy]

As I said, if The Dark Knight were to stay in theaters half as long as Titanic was (9 months), I guarantee it would double or even triple Titanic's gross (domestic and foreign). The fact that its made as much as it has in less than a month (yes, still hasn't even been a month yet) speaks volumes of TDK's earning power...which this case proves shouldn't be concerned strictly with the total amount made by the movie, but the total amount made vs. time in theater.

Its hard not to break records when you're in theaters for the major portion of a year (Titanic), despite whatever "universal appeal" it may have had.

You seem to be looking at this the wrong way. Titantic's success wasn't just b/c "they left it in theaters." It was due to amazing repeat perfomance- even without adjusting for inflation, it made more money in its 4th weekend than TDK did. And it will continue to make more money each weekend from here on out than TDK.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=alltimegrossvs.htm

Between its 4th and 10th weekends, it made no less and 20 million a weekend, with some weekends actually being higher than the ones before, others only showing an 11% drop.

If TDK did those types of numbers, it WOULD be in theaters longer. But it will continure to drop about 40% each weekend which ensures that it will leave theaters much much sooner than Titantic.

[No Ticket]

The Dark Knight is coming home. But how is he dressed..?

http://www.cinemablend.com/dvdnews/I-Don-t-Believe-In-The-Dark-Knight-Packaging-11757.html?tid=2924

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/gallery/s11757/_12188129799658.jpg http://www.cinemablend.com/images/gallery/s11757/_12188129785224.jpg

Those look fake to me. Why would Batman by himself be on the disc from a promotional image that featured Joker and Harvey? Why are the photos all fuzzy? Have you seen the image of the "mask" set? It's even fuzzier. Don't you think just using the poster is kind of lazy? Don't you think they'd market it with more of The Joker on it?

Looks fake to me.

[The Man]

Those look fake to me. Why would Batman by himself be on the disc from a promotional image that featured Joker and Harvey? Why are the photos all fuzzy? Have you seen the image of the "mask" set? It's even fuzzier. Don't you think just using the poster is kind of lazy? Don't you think they'd market it with more of The Joker on it?

Looks fake to me.

Well, you could photoshop that Blu-Ray cover with your eyes closed...

[Deckard]

Its real Ticket.

There were 4 posters featuring the Batman image. One seperate image of each =3, then the 4th one had all 3 on it. Since it is a Batman movie w/o Batman in the title it makes sense to me to put at least a pic of Bats on there.

[No Ticket]

Its real Ticket.

There were 4 posters featuring the Batman image. One seperate image of each =3, then the 4th one had all 3 on it. Since it is a Batman movie w/o Batman in the title it makes sense to me to put at least a pic of Bats on there.

I know where it came from, the Batman pic. I think they'd do something a little more interesting for TDK than that. A batpod and/or a mask? Why not something cheaper and cool like a Joker card inside?

Plus have you seen how many fan-made dvd covers/cases are out there?

BTW they haven't been confirmed by the studio so no, it's not fact. Just look at one of the other images that go along with the batpod/blu-ray pics...

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/batmaskdvd.jpg

Just look how photoshopped this looks. The top of the art on the dvd, the drop shadow completely cut off on the side. Plus it's very fuzzy. And, check out the why so serious? ... it's part of the smile the Joker draws in that other poster but it's cut/pasted onto the brick wall smiley poster with a batman mask in front of it. Then notice the batman mask has cardboard behind the eyes are something (probably a pic taken from a mask toy you can already get)... and the lighting on the "plastic case" is just someone using a brush in photoshop (a rounded brush) and turning the opacity down.

FAKE!

faaaake!


Not to mention they probably wouldn't include the actors names across the poster for the DVD covers. Plus the Blu-Ray cover has a splotch of blue at the top left corner... left over from photoshopping... and the line that goes through the poster to create the illusion of the side of the blu-ray case does not "wrap around" the image. So it's really just a line to make it look like the side of the package.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tdkdvds.jpg


PLUS. With the Batpod pic, the box has HOW MANY bat symbols around the base? Too many. Amateur work. I don't think they'd have that many around the BOX and on the BASE? Not to mention how impractical it is to have the DVD stored inside a base like that.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/batpod2dvd-440x256.jpg

[No Ticket]

Just to prove how easy it is to fake a DVD case.... here's something I threw together.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/tdkcase.jpg

I think that'd be a better DVD cover, personally. As it mixes both Batman WITH the Joker theme.

[Shortie]

Are those your own ridiculous, arbitrary definitions?
Yes.... Yes they are.

[DIrishB]

You seem to be looking at this the wrong way. Titantic's success wasn't just b/c "they left it in theaters." It was due to amazing repeat perfomance- even without adjusting for inflation, it made more money in its 4th weekend than TDK did. And it will continue to make more money each weekend from here on out than TDK.

I didn't say Titanic's sole success was due to the amount of time it was left in theaters, I just said it played a large role in that. Granted, the larger audience appeal (romance and action, etc) and a huge marketing push also contributed to that.

However, I'm saying that TDK can very realistically give it a run for its money. Not that it'll overtake it, but I expect it to become the 2nd all time worldwise grosser, behind Titanic.

Those huge opening weekend numbers for TDK went a long way, and so will its foreign take.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=alltimegrossvs.htm

Between its 4th and 10th weekends, it made no less and 20 million a weekend, with some weekends actually being higher than the ones before, others only showing an 11% drop.

If TDK did those types of numbers, it WOULD be in theaters longer. But it will continure to drop about 40% each weekend which ensures that it will leave theaters much much sooner than Titantic.

Granted. But I expect its foreign numbers to pull in more than the domestic gross (probably around 600-700 million when all is said and done), and by the time its taken out of theaters here in the US (probably around October) the domestic will probably have broken 600 million mark as well. And that hasn't even factored in future DVD sales (which will be quite profitable for the studio as well).

In the end, The Dark Knight will easily break a billion worldwide (and DVD sales could bump up the total profits for the studio to billion and a half within the first year of the DVD's release). Thats very notable.

[Cropsy]

Kickass movie, this is the only movie in my life i seen 11 times in theaters and i got better everytime i see it. Now it's number 2 on my top movies! definitely deserves and praise even with Heath Ledger's brilliant role as Joker.

[Shortie]

Joker made the movie for me.

[The Man]

Those look fake to me. Why would Batman by himself be on the disc from a promotional image that featured Joker and Harvey? Why are the photos all fuzzy? Have you seen the image of the "mask" set? It's even fuzzier. Don't you think just using the poster is kind of lazy? Don't you think they'd market it with more of The Joker on it?

Looks fake to me.

Could well be the real deal...*

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/21/the-dark-knight-batpod-gift-set-update/







*Well, the Batpod package, at least...

[No Ticket]

Could well be the real deal...*

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/08/21/the-dark-knight-batpod-gift-set-update/







*Well, the Batpod package, at least...

Doesn't confirm anything to me. I think the idea of a batpod standee holding your DVD is kind of stupid honestly. If it was REAL mock-ups, it was a piss poor photoshop job.

[Cropsy]

Can't wait! rumor has it there there might be an extended cut on Blu-Ray and DVD, now that would make my day for the coolest movie ever and the best movie around besides "Star Wars".

[The Man]

Set this guy loose on Crystal Skull!


http://www.popsci.com/entertainment-%2526-gaming/article/2008-08/physics-batman


The Dark Knight provides an ample springboard to apply some Hollywood physics. There are so many chases, collisions, jumps, flights and explosions it’s easy to highlight a few of these for some exciting physical analysis.

[The Golden Idol]

Is this real?

http://tinyurl.com/5pfq25

I think the sticker says "Joker Card Inside", but I could be wrong.

EDIT: Sorry for the double post.

[Jonesy9906753]

Are those your own ridiculous, arbitrary definitions?

you not like TDK Resident Alien?

[ResidentAlien]

you not like TDK Resident Alien?

Heh. I loved it.


Do you not enjoy context, Jonesy?

[Jonesy9906753]

to me it seemed you replied to that guy in a way that you sounded like you didnt like it. I dunno

[The Golden Idol]

Is this real?

http://tinyurl.com/5pfq25

I think the sticker says "Joker Card Inside", but I could be wrong.

Well, is it?

[The Man]

Well, is it?

I'd bet anything it's a fake...

[No Ticket]

I'd bet anything it's a fake...

And you would be right. It's fake. It's fairly easy to spot fakes. For one, it uses two images anyone could find online. It's kind of weird to just stick the image of Joker with the card next to Batman with the batarang (When I say weird I mean tacky and unprofessional looking for a DVD cover). Plus, I doubt they'll put "Sensational" on the cover. They aren't likely to do that for Dark Knight. They don't need to.

But the biggest thing of all is just how fuzzy the Sensational and "two-disc deluxe edition" font is. It's fuzzy because they just threw that on there in photoshop. In addition, it is not three-dimensional. Most previews of DVD art come in the form of what the box would actually look like.

And it's usually very clear that they are real when you see them. Also, most real box art seems to come out about TWO MONTHS after the film has been released. It has only been slightly more than a month for Dark Knight.

Look to: This website, dvdactive.com (http://www.dvdactive.com/home/) for the real deal when it surfaces. They get their images directly from the studios and they haven't confirmed ANYTHING about Dark Knight yet. I'd bet you'll see the first real DK covers in late Sept. or early Oct.

[The Golden Idol]

It's kind of weird to just stick the image of Joker with the card next to Batman with the batarang (When I say weird I mean tacky and unprofessional looking for a DVD cover).

I think that's a sticker on the plastic wrap of the case. You can sorta see the round outline of it. Plus, it says "Joker Card Inside" or something similar on it, which wouldn't be on the actual case.


In addition, it is not three-dimensional. Most previews of DVD art come in the form of what the box would actually look like.

What about this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EERECWD8L._SS500_.jpg

[ResidentAlien]

I think that's a sticker on the plastic wrap of the case. You can sorta see the round outline of it. Plus, it says "Joker Card Inside" or something similar on it, which wouldn't be on the actual case.


The plastic shrinkwrap is painfully faked. It's a ****ty photoshop brush. Faaaaaaake.

[No Ticket]

What about this:

I said "most." Besides, like I said, I haven't seen anything that was official at all yet. I pointed out a good site to rely on for the real deal.

Although coming with a Joker card is a good idea! Although I wouldn't advertise it. It would be a cool thing you discover. That's me. I'm not saying they wouldn't.

See this?
http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/batman-begins6.html

That's the sort of thing to look out for for the real deal. See how crisp the image is? How obvious it is not fake?

NOTE: Guess I was wrong about an Ebert quote on the package. lol. Although I don't believe my copy has that. I don't think they'll put that on DK's cover though.

[Agent Spalko]

http://toy-world.com.hk/forum/attachments/month_0808/20080825_682f4d0009868c277108Wi2I8oKJVWeE.jpg
http://toy-world.com.hk/forum/attachments/month_0808/20080825_ef9bd38c146383937a5eVoeXW9yQgJDB.jpg
http://toy-world.com.hk/forum/attachments/month_0808/20080825_a4398ae83c3a921e56c8Gjc8XMgECxgb.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7062/200808251b6141ad6186f43cj4.jpg
http://toy-world.com.hk/forum/attachments/month_0808/20080825_1aa0ae382699b8cbd946lcNCc0OK7wjH.jpg

[The Man]

When will Hot Toys produce a sexy Nurse Joker Edition figure?

[Agent Spalko]

Hopefully when we get a Two-Face.

[The Man]

http://www.hollywood.com/news/The_Dark_Knight_Leads_Warner_Bros_to_Almost_1B_in_Summer_Sales/5302346

The Dark Knight (Warner Bros) will soar past $500M sometime on Sunday, and will have banked about $505M by Tuesday morning.

[TheMutt92]

IMAX Filmed Entertainment chief Greg Foster said he would welcome any IMAX re-release of the Batman blockbuster in future years, should Warners see merit in such a plan.

"That sounds like a really great idea," Foster said. "Ultimately, it's a decision that Warner Bros. has to make. We'd certainly support that."

Warners distribution president Dan Fellman said there was "a real possibility" of such a re-release.

Heh-heh...yes :up:

[DIrishB]

As of today, the worldwide gross for TDK is $924,933,000 (Domestic - $507,933,000 + Foreign - $417,000,000).

Only $75 Million away from the Billion mark.

Of course, as it stands now, its only at about 50% of the total take for Titanic...but TDK did it in a month and a half (Titanic took three and a half months to reach that number domestically).

I can see it as a likely possibility that TDK could at least take the all-time domestic from Titanic ($600 million), especially if it stays in theaters another couple months. Not sure if it will (thats up to the studio and the theaters), but I hope it will.

[No Ticket]

As of today, the worldwide gross for TDK is $924,933,000 (Domestic - $507,933,000 + Foreign - $417,000,000).

Only $75 Million away from the Billion mark.

Of course, as it stands now, its only at about 50% of the total take for Titanic...but TDK did it in a month and a half (Titanic took three and a half months to reach that number domestically).

I can see it as a likely possibility that TDK could at least take the all-time domestic from Titanic ($600 million), especially if it stays in theaters another couple months. Not sure if it will (thats up to the studio and the theaters), but I hope it will.

There's already interest from IMAX's side to re-release it in Imax theaters at least. But they said it was up to WB.

[DIrishB]

There's already interest from IMAX's side to re-release it in Imax theaters at least. But they said it was up to WB.

Yeah, I saw that. I don't see why WB would be reluctant to do so. I think the numbers from the initial release will more than justify any additional costs the studio might incur by re-releasing them to IMAX theaters. It would certainly help TDK inch towards the overall gross spot (thought not sure about the rankings for adjusted for inflation).

[The Man]

This looks to be a dead-cert by now...

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/111202/the_dark_knight_dvd_and_bluray_release_date.html

And indications are that there’s a bit of a wait yet, with The Dark Knight pencilled in for a 9th December debut on disc in the US, possibly a day before in the UK.

Various retailers are adding what looks like the final box artwork to their pre-order screens, but Warner Bros has yet to formally announce the title. The announcement will, we suspect, hit once The Dark Knight finally drops out of the top ten at the box office in the States.

[Niteshade007]

So, I guess Caine was joking (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0563739/)?

Hoffman "looks forward to the call."

I think he would make a good Penguin, but I'm not exactly excited about the idea of seeing the Penguin again.

*cough* Catwoman *cough*

[No Ticket]

It's official, Warner Brothers is going to re-release TDK in January... just in time for the Academy's consideration...

It's all part of the plan. (http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7658)

[TheMutt92]

It's official, Warner Brothers is going to re-release TDK in January... just in time for the Academy's consideration...

It's all part of the plan. (http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=7658)

It'll be number one, trust me: what movies are there coming out in January?

[PhantomStranger]

News

Warner Bros. Plans Dark Knight Rerelease
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
September 11, 2008


Warner Bros. Pictures plans to rerelease blockbuster The Dark Knight in January, the height of Academy Awards voting season, says The Hollywood Reporter.

"It's just a matter of bringing it back as a reminder for people," a source told the trade.

Warners domestic distribution president Dan Fellman acknowledged ongoing talks with IMAX executives about the prospect of restoring the film to some number of giant-screen venues in January. It's uncertain if The Dark Knight also will reappear in conventional theaters at that point.

To date, the film has earned about $513 million domestically and $440 million internationally, including more than $55 million in IMAX grosses. The DVD and Blu-ray Disc are expected to hit stores in

[No Ticket]

News

Warner Bros. Plans Dark Knight Rerelease
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
September 11, 2008


Warner Bros. Pictures plans to rerelease blockbuster The Dark Knight in January, the height of Academy Awards voting season, says The Hollywood Reporter.

"It's just a matter of bringing it back as a reminder for people," a source told the trade.

Warners domestic distribution president Dan Fellman acknowledged ongoing talks with IMAX executives about the prospect of restoring the film to some number of giant-screen venues in January. It's uncertain if The Dark Knight also will reappear in conventional theaters at that point.

To date, the film has earned about $513 million domestically and $440 million internationally, including more than $55 million in IMAX grosses. The DVD and Blu-ray Disc are expected to hit stores in

Hmm... It's not like I didn't just post the same news. *cough*

[DocWhiskey]

I'll definetly see it again.

[Garfoot]

Congrats on TDK on becoming the 2nd highest grossing film of all time just behind Titanic. Being a huge Star Wars fan, I was mixed when it past us, but when I take in to account inflation and iconic status, TDK has a long long way to go. Nevertheless, the TDK is the greatest comic book movie ever and
I hope that the 3rd movie will live up to the hype.

Take note all comic books movies to be made in the future, follow the formula of the TDK, and we may get to enjoy some of the greatest comic book icons on the big screen we have ever seen.

[TheMutt92]

Take note all comic books movies to be made in the future, follow the formula of the TDK, and we may get to enjoy some of the greatest comic book icons on the big screen we have ever seen.

I don't think its formula as much as fresh original storytelling, great performances, and a preservation of integrity on all fronts.

[Garfoot]

I guess you're right, I think I meant that they found their nitch on how to tell this story of Batman, and just expanded on it. Of course having a good director and screenwriter helps. Not to mention the great cast and acting in this film. I hope that Batman 3 lives up to this standard, but I don't think it will make this kind of money. :whip:

[AndyLGR]

Congrats on TDK on becoming the 2nd highest grossing film of all time just behind Titanic. Being a huge Star Wars fan, I was mixed when it past us, but when I take in to account inflation and iconic status, TDK has a long long way to go. Nevertheless, the TDK is the greatest comic book movie ever and
I hope that the 3rd movie will live up to the hype.

Take note all comic books movies to be made in the future, follow the formula of the TDK, and we may get to enjoy some of the greatest comic book icons on the big screen we have ever seen.
Is that worldwide gross or just in one country?

[TheMutt92]

I'm sorry, but... what did that have to do w/ TDK???

[QBComics]

I'm sorry, but... what did that have to do w/ TDK???

It's called spam :p

[TheMutt92]

It's called spam :p

Ohhhhh.... damn.

[Goodsport]

I finally got around to watching The Dark Knight. It was very good! :cool:

And as it turned out, the story ended up differently than this (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/snl-digital-short-hero-song/227152/). :)


-G

[The Man]

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/artman2/publish/movie_news/The-Dark-Knight-Blu-Ray-extras-details-12210908.php

The second disc will, according to the site, include the following documentaries:

"Batman Technology: Gadgets and Tools" (in HD),

"Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight" and "The World of Batman Seen Through Real Life Psychotherapy" (in HD)
6 clips from the Gotham Cable Premier's newscast: "Tonight in Gotham"

Art galleries on the Joker's letters
Conceptual art
Posters
Production stills
Trailers, and TV spots

[muttjones]

i saw it twice.

then i saw wall-e. twice.

and i think wall-e tops it.

wall-e is top film of the year with TDK second imo

[GoodFella]

Well, I watched TDK again yesterday trying to get a feel for it now that all the hype has died down, and I came to the following conclusion: Definitely a good movie, most likely the best-made movie within its own genre, but best movie ever (like I have heard proclaimed so many times this summer)? Not a chance. I wouldn't even put in in the top 15 or 20 movies ever. Excellent movie, but people need to calm down with the "greatest...movie...ever...made" crap. Just my two cents.

[Goonie]

And as it turned out, the story ended up differently than this (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/snl-digital-short-hero-song/227152/). :)
-G

LoL that was funny, but nothing beats Samberg and Timberlake's Dickinabox digital short. Iran So Far was another good one.

[The Man]

http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/6860891/The-Dark-Knight-Batman-Begins-Double-Pack/Product.html

or...

http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/5375150/Batman-The-Dark-Knight/Product.html

http://images.play.com/covers/5375150x.jpg


It's a Gotham Christmas!

[The Man]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/092608_darknight3_full.jpg

[TheMutt92]

Warner Home Video's The Dark Knight is expected to ship more than 1 million Blu-ray Disc units to retail for its Dec. 9 street date, which is believed to be a first for the format.

Video Business says earlier in the quarter, Paramount Home Entertainment said its Iron Man sold 500,000 Blu-ray copies in its first week on shelves, but it's unclear how many units the studio shipped.

For much of the past year, Blu-ray copies averaged 5% to 10% of a title's sales. Recent features, including Warner's Speed Racer and Journey to the Center of the Earth reached more than 10%, and Universal Studios Home Entertainment's The Incredible Hulk hit more than 14%.

Iron Man's Blu-ray version represented as much as 30% of sales at some retailers, though overall it was closer to 10%.

Nearly one month to go... :D :D :D

[caats]

god this movie was awesome. me and my friends went to IMAX opening day and we just sat there for like 5 mins in shock when it ended.

[TheMutt92]

god this movie was awesome. me and my friends went to IMAX opening day and we just sat there for like 5 mins in shock when it ended.

Same here. When it was all done, my brothers and I just sat there and talked to each other about it till the credits we're over. The audience was deathly quiet leaving the room (except when the film ended, and then when Heath's credit came up, which I am proud to say I led the audience in applause :cool: )

[The Man]

SCREENPLAY DOWNLOAD! (http://warnerbros2008.warnerbros.com/assets/images/TheDarkKnight_Script.pdf)

[TheMutt92]

SCREENPLAY DOWNLOAD! (http://warnerbros2008.warnerbros.com/assets/images/TheDarkKnight_Script.pdf)

I've acutal had a similar copy for quite some time, but may swap w/ this one for quality...

[TheMutt92]

The Dark Knight: For Your Consideration
Source:Superhero Hype! November 11, 2008


Warner Bros. Pictures has launched a "For Your Consideration" website for The Dark Knight which includes the full script for the film!

In related news, Variety says the major of an oil-producing city in southeastern Turkey named "Batman" is suing director Christopher Nolan and Warner Bros. for royalties from The Dark Knight.

Huseyin Kalkan, the pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party mayor of Batman, has accused the film's producers of using the city's name without permission.

"There is only one Batman in the world," Kalkan said. "The American producers used the name of our city without informing us."

We wish him the best of luck. More details here.

Also, The Dark Knight has reached a worldwide total of $997.6 million ($528.6 million domestically, $469 million internationally) and should be able to cross the $1 billion mark with the re-release in January.

This will be an example to help the people of 'Iron Man 2', 'Wolverine' before they start their lawsuit against Marvel. :p

What idiots...

[Niteshade007]

That can't be real.

[TheMutt92]

That can't be real.

Who knows? But isn't it nice (or sad) to know that there are people out there stupider than we think ourselves to be?

[QBComics]

Really? ...

Personally, I would think it to be funny if I lived in that city. Ya know like: "Heh heh, that's pretty neat. Ironic huh?"

:dead:

[The Man]

Batman's Oscar blitz begins...

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/145013/the_dark_knight_banks_a_billion_starts_its_oscar_campaign.html

For Warner Bros is taking the Oscar chances of The Dark Knight seriously, and at the very least, it’s now expected that Heath Ledger will get a nod for Best Supporting Actor, and probably win the award too.

Head over to WB.com though and you’ll see that Warner Bros’ ambitions are broader than that. While it’s not unusual for studios to speculatively punt ridiculous suggestions for an Oscar campaign, there’s surely a solid chance that The Dark Knight will snare a good clutch of the nominations its studio is hankering after.

Thus, the special promotional site that Warner Bros has put together is punting for Best Picture, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Director, Christian Bale for Best Actor, five Best Supporting Actor nominations (Ledger, Morgan Freeman, Gary Oldman, Aaron Eckhart and Michael Caine), Maggie Gyllenhaal for Best Supporting Actress, Cinematography, Art Direction, Editing, Score, Costume Design, Sound Mixing, Sound Editing and Visual Effects. So not much, then.

We’re happy to take a punt here, and suggest that The Dark Knight will pick up the following nominations:

Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Director
Best Supporting Actor (Heath Ledger)
Best Cinematography
Best Art Direction
Best Editing
Best Sound Mixing
Best Sound Editing

It’s got an outside shot at Best Picture – anyone remember The Fugitive and Four Weddings And A Funeral getting their nominations in the early 90s? – but it’s not going to win it. Still, that billion dollars may help soften the blow.

[oki9Sedo]

I'm sure The Dark Knight will receive a Best Supporting Actor nomination for Heath Ledger. That wasn't just a great performance, but a very popular one too, just like Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Carribean.

It'll definitely get a couple of nominations for technical awards, like Best Editing, Best Sound Effects Editing etc.

I think it will get a Best Supporting Actor nod for Heath Ledger too. That wasn't just a great performance, it was a very popular and entertaining one too, just like Johnny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow five years ago.

I think its also a strong candidate for Best Director.

[TheMutt92]

I think its also a strong candidate for Best Director.

And thus best picture (and from that - screenplay). Its very rare for a film to be nominated for one w/o the other.

[YouNeverKnow]

I'm sorry I disagree with everyone who is saying Sound Editing. There are some points of the movies where the actors' gravelly and whispery voices are just unintelligible beneath the mountains of soundtrack and and f/x. Of course, it could have just been the theaters I went to... all 5 times I've seen it... Just saying....

[TheMutt92]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2008/nov/12/the-dark-knight-batman-christian-bale-heath-ledger

Three clips from the DVD. Sadly, no behind-the-scenes footage/interviews w/ Heath Ledger (signs of things to come on the DVD? Please don't let it be so!)

[Niteshade007]

While I enjoyed Ledger as the Joker, he definitely was not my favorite part of the movie. Don't get me wrong, the man was amazing. I completely forgot he was Heath Ledger until you see him without make-up. He WAS the Joker. But, I feel Harvey Dent is really the best part of this movie. Just the way his character transforms, the tragedy of it all, and of course Aaron's acting. I seem to be in the minority with this, as most people just seem to remember Ledger. Like I said, he was great, but he was not the best part of the movie for me.

[Attila the Professor]

While I enjoyed Ledger as the Joker, he definitely was not my favorite part of the movie. Don't get me wrong, the man was amazing. I completely forgot he was Heath Ledger until you see him without make-up. He WAS the Joker. But, I feel Harvey Dent is really the best part of this movie. Just the way his character transforms, the tragedy of it all, and of course Aaron's acting. I seem to be in the minority with this, as most people just seem to remember Ledger. Like I said, he was great, but he was not the best part of the movie for me.

I'm with you, although the strength of Dent might have more to do with the screenplay than the strength of the Joker did, if that makes any sense.

[Dr. Wolfwood]

Technically, the movie deserves any awards it gets, but it certainly was not the best movie of the year or have the best directing of the year. Best movie needs the best screenplay and the screenplay, or the story, is where the Dark Knight had too many weak moments. I do hope that the Dark Knight will not win merely because of Ledger and for the fact that it was popular...

[Forbidden Eye]

Technically, the movie deserves any awards it gets, but it certainly was not the best movie of the year or have the best directing of the year. Best movie needs the best screenplay and the screenplay, or the story, is where the Dark Knight had too many weak moments. I do hope that the Dark Knight will not win merely because of Ledger and for the fact that it was popular...

One word: Titantic

Four more words: Lord of the Rings

Both terribly weak stories, yet still won Best Picture and Best Director based on hype alone. I see absolutely zero reason why TDK shouldn't get nominated and win both.

[Forbidden Eye]

While I enjoyed Ledger as the Joker, he definitely was not my favorite part of the movie. Don't get me wrong, the man was amazing. I completely forgot he was Heath Ledger until you see him without make-up. He WAS the Joker. But, I feel Harvey Dent is really the best part of this movie. Just the way his character transforms, the tragedy of it all, and of course Aaron's acting. I seem to be in the minority with this, as most people just seem to remember Ledger. Like I said, he was great, but he was not the best part of the movie for me.

I think the reason he was ignored was because of how under-used he was. The Joker didn't have a lot of screen-time either, but he truly made the best of literally every second of it, and concept was as well-done as it could possibly be. Two-Face was almost wasted as he was given very little screen-time and ended up dying before he got to his true potential(though not nearly as bad as Scarecrow was from BB).

[Attila the Professor]

I know I'm not alone when I say that the direction is the thing I found least impressive, at least insofar as the editing goes; you don't have to succumb to the incoherence and wheels and fists editing. Try the long shot for a change. This may be mostly the fight scenes where it's deficient in this way, but that's a fair number of scenes.

[The Man]

One Oscar it won't be vying for...

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23649

The Dark Knight’s score, which to Empire’s ears is one of the best, if not the best, of the year, has been disqualified from consideration for next year’s Academy Awards.

The executive committee of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Science’s music branch made the decision after failing to be suitably satisfied that the score’s composers, James Newton Howard and Hans Zimmer, were directly responsible for more than 70% of the music.

That’s because – in a show of generosity and solidarity – Zimmer and Howard, who collaborated on the Batman Begins soundtrack, listed three other people as composers on the official cue sheet, the document that specifies every piece of music in the film.

[oki9Sedo]

I know I'm not alone when I say that the direction is the thing I found least impressive, at least insofar as the editing goes; you don't have to succumb to the incoherence and wheels and fists editing. Try the long shot for a change. This may be mostly the fight scenes where it's deficient in this way, but that's a fair number of scenes.

I think that the fast-editing and close-ups in The Dark Knight were far more tastefully done than the equivalent in Michael Bay's films and the like. There was actually an artistic purpose behind it.

[Attila the Professor]

I think that the fast-editing and close-ups in The Dark Knight were far more tastefully done than the equivalent in Michael Bay's films and the like. There was actually an artistic purpose behind it.

What would you say the purpose was? This isn't intended as a contentious question; I'm genuinely curious, not being really that familiar with Bay and the like.

[Goodsport]

And as it turned out, the story ended up differently than this (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/snl-digital-short-hero-song/227152/). :)
-G

LoL that was funny, but nothing beats Samberg and Timberlake's Dickinabox digital short. Iran So Far was another good one.

I somehow doubt that either of those will be included in the next Batman film. ;)


-G

[oki9Sedo]

What would you say the purpose was? This isn't intended as a contentious question;

Not at all. I only saw The Dark Knight once back in July, so I'm really referring the most to Batman Begins.

I suppose to summarise at the beginning, whereas in Michael Bay films you can't fully see whats going on, thats because he's misguided. He thinks fast-cutting and rapid camera movements make the action scene more exciting and intense, when in fact it is just frustrating for the reasons you mentioned. However, with Christopher Nolan not being fully able to see whats going on is actually the point and there is a good, well though out reason behind it, whether you agree with that reason or not.

Christopher Nolan said that reason was to make the audience feel like the criminals Batman is ambushing. They're confused, disoriented, lost, panicking etc. Batman's greatest weapon against them is fear. He's incredibly fast, and is master of using his surroundings and is able to appear from and disappear into the shadows in a second.

These are very modern, urban films, and I think that this style lends an intensity and grittiness that is very appropriate. The films manage to be slick at the same time too, though.

I have to say I also prefer fight scenes with classical framing. Wide shots where the audience does there own editing, as Spielberg would say, and which is prominent in the Indiana Jones films. That said, I feel that that style would not be appropriate at all for the kind of Batman Christopher Nolan is trying to create.

[The Man]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39283

Next week, on December 9th, Warner Brothers Records will be releasing a two-disc, special edition complete score album from THE DARK KNIGHT.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/31ewUvYHzDL__SS400_.jpg


Disc One

1. Why So Serious?
2. I'm Not A Hero
3. Harvey Two-Face
4. Aggressive Expansion
5. Always A Catch
6. Blood On My Hands
7. A Little Push
8. Like A Dog Chasing Cars
9. I Am The Batman
10. And I Thought My Jokes Were Bad
11. Agent Of Chaos
12. Introduce A Little Anarchy
13. Watch The World Burn
14. A Dark Knight

Disc Two

1. Bank Robbery (Prologue)
2. Buyer Beware
3. Halfway To Hong Kong
4. Decent Men In An Indecent Time
5. You're Gonna Love Me
6. Chance
7. You Complete Me
8. The Ferries
9. We Are Tonight's Entertainment
10. A Watchful Guardian
11. Why So Serious?(The Crystal Method Remix)
12. Poor Choice Of Words(Paul van Dyk Remix)
13. Gunpowder And Gasoline(Remix by Mel Wesson)
14. Rory's First Kiss(Remix by Ryeland Allison)

[The Man]

In their year's end review, Empire (yes, them again) have voted TDK as the top movie of 2008...

[The Man]

The Dawn Is Coming. Again... (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23821)

[michael]

That 2-Disc expanded soundtrack is going for like $45. That's ridiculous.

[The Magic Rat]

In their year's end review, Empire (yes, them again) have voted TDK as the top movie of 2008...

Another bad call from Empire. Never saw that coming. :rolleyes:

[agentsands77]

Well, given the selection of flicks in 2008 so far, I'd say that THE DARK KNIGHT takes the cake pretty easily. There's not much competition.

That's not to say that the verdict's in, though. We still have THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON, for instance, and a few other potentially striking films before December reaches its close.

[The Man]

Anybody get their Blu-Ray yet? My sister is holding mine until Christmas Day. Kind and cruel, the typical sibling...

[The Man]

Zimmer back in the frame...

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23839

Notch up another victory for the Batman – The Dark Knight’s score is now back in contention for an Academy Award.

If you’ll recall, the Music Branch Executive Committee of the Academy disqualified the score last month on the grounds that composers Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard had listed three other people as contributors, which is against Academy rules.

However, after reviewing the facts of the case, the Academy were satisfied that Howard and Zimmer were solely responsible for the actual music, and have reinstated the score for consideration by Academy members.

[TheMutt92]

Zimmer back in the frame...

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23839

Hmmm... has the Academy learned the error of its ways? Or is it giving into pressure at hearing the soundtrack had been nominated for a grammy?

Either way, this STRONGLY suggests TDK will be one of the big nominees this year (if not winner. I'm still waiting till I've seen The Curious Case of Benjamin Button).

[indyrcks]

I loved The Dark Knight Heath Ledger should be proud of that role but he's no longer with us what a role he played as The Joker and Christian Bale is brilliant as Batman what did you think of the film

[Forbidden Eye]

Zimmer back in the frame...

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23839

Gee, why is everyone making this such a big deal when the score was easily the weakest part of the movie?

Everyone truly memorable(with the possible exception of one theme) was lifted right out of Batman Begins. Some "original" score. :rolleyes:

[caats]

Gee, why is everyone making this such a big deal when the score was easily the weakest part of the movie?

Everyone truly memorable(with the possible exception of one theme) was lifted right out of Batman Begins. Some "original" score. :rolleyes:

pretty incorrect here. If you listen to the soundtrack it's pretty crazy some of the stuff they do. and you could barely here the scoring in Begins. it's fantastic in Dark Knight. all the joker stuff captures the character perfectly

[agentsands77]

Gee, why is everyone making this such a big deal when the score was easily the weakest part of the movie?

Everyone truly memorable(with the possible exception of one theme) was lifted right out of Batman Begins. Some "original" score. :rolleyes:
I did like the score for THE DARK KNIGHT considerably more than the score for BEGINS, but I do have to agree that most of it is material from BEGINS (aside from the Joker's theme and a few other moments), just reorchestrated.

[The Man]

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2155

The first numbers are in, and the Blu-ray release of Warner Brothers 'The Dark Knight' sold 107,730 copies on its first day of release in the UK, representing 21% of total sales for the title. Last month, the total number of Blu-ray Discs sold in the UK was 463,000, making this one day record-breaking gross that much more impressive.

[The Man]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYDaXgWrrfsgIVAvgVTGzXQYZvrA

Late Australian actor Heath Ledger received a second posthumous award here Tuesday, as the Los Angeles Film Critics Association honored his performance in Batman blockbuster "The Dark Knight."

Ledger is a heavy favorite to land a best supporting actor Oscar for his spellbinding portrayal of arch-villain the Joker in the film, which shattered a series of US box office records after its release in July.

[Goonie]

Some Batman 3 news, Rachel Weisz as Catwoman?:
http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/e8cc960c27530eb0ba7ac5c384b3d96f

[YouNeverKnow]

^^ That would be sexy as hell, but I prefer they focus on baddies other than Catwoman. If she was in it as just Selina Kyle, then... mrowr! :up:

[The Man]

THE C.H.U.D. BLU-RAY REVIEW (http://chud.com/articles/articles/17442/1/DVD-REVIEW-THE-DARK-KNIGHT-BLU-RAY/Page1.html)

[Deckard]

No way, she is hot, but not Catwoman hot.

If your gonna have Sylina they better work the she wants revenge on Falcone angle. He could be out of Arkham and running the show now that Crane is insane and Maroni is most likely dead. Work the Riddler in there maybe with some elements of the Holiday killings, but then it'd kinda feel like Dick Tracy.

[The Man]

No way, she is hot, but not Catwoman hot.

If your gonna have Sylina they better work the she wants revenge on Falcone angle. He could be out of Arkham and running the show now that Crane is insane and Maroni is most likely dead. Work the Riddler in there maybe with some elements of the Holiday killings, but then it'd kinda feel like Dick Tracy.

What was Catwoman's original backstory..?

[Niteshade007]

No way, she is hot, but not Catwoman hot.

If your gonna have Sylina they better work the she wants revenge on Falcone angle. He could be out of Arkham and running the show now that Crane is insane and Maroni is most likely dead. Work the Riddler in there maybe with some elements of the Holiday killings, but then it'd kinda feel like Dick Tracy.

As you were describing it, I was thinking of Madonna's character Breathless Mahoney in Dick Tracy. Good character, bad actress, but an interesting role. I wouldn't mind seeing something similar.

[agentsands77]

If your gonna have Sylina they better work the she wants revenge on Falcone angle. He could be out of Arkham and running the show now that Crane is insane and Maroni is most likely dead. Work the Riddler in there maybe with some elements of the Holiday killings, but then it'd kinda feel like Dick Tracy.
Doubtful. Falcone is 100% insane after the events of BEGINS, which is why he was out of the picture in THE DARK KNIGHT. They'll have to come up with a new angle for Catwoman if they use her.

What was Catwoman's original backstory..?
She's had a variety of 'em over the years. You can get a decent summary on the Wikipedia page for the character. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman)

The origin to which Deckard refers, is that Selina was the bastard child of crime boss Carmine Falcone, but could never prove her lineage. In this timeline, she worked as a prostitute before Batman inspired her to don a cat costume and claim her life through theft (including, but not exclusively limited to, theft of Falcone holdings). That said, even this origin is somewhat muddled, and some writers have tried to write out her stint as a prostitute.

[Deckard]

Doubtful. Falcone is 100% insane after the events of BEGINS, which is why he was out of the picture in THE DARK KNIGHT. They'll have to come up with a new angle for Catwoman if they use her.


She's had a variety of 'em over the years. You can get a decent summary on the Wikipedia page for the character. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catwoman)

The origin to which Deckard refers, is that Selina was the bastard child of crime boss Carmine Falcone, but could never prove her lineage. In this timeline, she worked as a prostitute before Batman inspired her to don a cat costume and claim her life through theft (including, but not exclusively limited to, theft of Falcone holdings). That said, even this origin is somewhat muddled, and some writers have tried to write out her stint as a prostitute.

I don't think he's 100 % definately insane. Remember that Batman can reverse the effects of the toxin.

Now that Crane, the man who put him in the insane assylum is himself insane, Falcone's lawyers could argue that Crane was never of sound mind to have judged if Falcone was crazy or not. They could have him reexamined and because he isn't found insane, he could be released.

Then you can have him awaiting a legit trial or have the case dismissed and all the charges against him dropped because of Crane's incompetance. That sort of thing really could happen.

Then of course because Falcone got away with no jail, Sylina Kyle shows up to settle a debt herself. That catches Bruce's attention because a.) shes hot. b.) he can't let another vigalante go around killing and so he is forced to protect Falcone, a man he himself hates.

And you can easily rewrite why Kyle is angry with Falcone, theyve done it plenty. Falcone's absence in Dark Knight was to me an issue that in most graphic novels, the Joker deals with Maroni and not Falcone.

[agentsands77]

I don't think he's 100 % definately insane. Remember that Batman can reverse the effects of the toxin.
I'm just referencing the official answer, which is that Falcone is 100% insane and entirely out of the picture. Presumably Crane gave him one of his more intense doses, like he gave to Rachel (the ones where "the mind can only take so much") and Falcone's mind snapped permanently. The intention of THE DARK KNIGHT was to suggest that in the absence of Falcone's leadership, the mob had splintered into lots of smaller, competing circles, with Maroni holding up what was left of the Italian mob in Gotham.

And given that these small fragmentary mobs are destroyed one by one in THE DARK KNIGHT, I don't imagine we'll see any kind of mob story in the third installment. The organized crime is gone, replaced by the "new class of criminal" that the Joker has inspired.

[Lance Quazar]

^I agree.

The Joker destroyed organized crime in Gotham through his actions in TDK.

He killed their leaders (Gamble, the Chechen, etc.) and bankrupted them by literally burning all of their money.

He took over their organization ("Tell your men they work for me now.") but obviously isn't interested in becoming anything remotely resembling a traditional mob boss.

Though the goals of the heroes were thwarted by the Joker during the course of the film, the mob was left in shambles. While a large criminal element is sure to remain (presumably, all of Dent's arrests were overturned), it is likely fragmented and chaotic.

[The Man]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/oscars.jpg

[QBComics]

That rocks!! :up:

[TheMutt92]

The_Man, where did you find this?!? Me likes what I see... :up: :D :up:

[The Golden Idol]

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/oscars.jpg

That's awesome. Did you make that?

[The Man]

That's awesome. Did you make that?

Alas, no...

http://www.darkcampaign.com/

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn22/baldamrish/121608_darkknightoscars2.jpg :up:

[QBComics]

Damn, that is too cool.

(BTW: 100 pages!)

[caats]

the oscar one is and official campaign poster from WB. the Joker one is fan made.

[The Man]

TDK Takes Two... (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39497)*







*Let The Right One In does quite well for itself, too...

[Zealot]

We already have a Dark Knight thread, but in this one I will just try to focus on movie mistakes and irregularities, which were, surprisingly, plentiful.
Before I begin, let me tell you that I enjoyed this movie very much. For me, it was a good movie, not great, but still good, and now you will see why. So, let's start!

1) At the beginning, Joker exits the bank in a school bus and immediately joins the convoy of other school buses. How come none of the drivers in the other buses went like: hey, wait a minute, this guy just popped up from a bank!? Unless, of course, all the other drivers were Joker's thugs.

2) The whole scene in the parking lot with Scarecrow, Russians and those Batman fakes was totaly confusing and completely irrelevant for the story. I would gladly just delete the whole scene. The movie is long enough even without it. And why does Batman jumps on the van and start cutting through it? Was he trying to enter or something? And later, when he jumps on the van, he completely destroys it, like if Batman weights a thousand pounds. And he doesn't even brake a leg or anything?

3) This scene bugs me the most. When Joker throws Rachel out of the window, Batman jumps after her and they both start to fall. Batman manages to grab her and they both just land on a taxi. How in the heck they survived that?!

4) When Joker threatens to blow up a hospital, Gordon doesnt say something like: but there are like hundreds of hospitals in Gotham! Instead, they evacuate one, and behold, it was the right hospital! And how did Joker managed to set up all those charges? It's strange that no one, but really no one hasn't noticed anything suspicious?

5) The ugly face of Harvey Dent doesn't have an eye lid. I don't really know what exactly happens to an eye if someone can't blink, but I doubt he can have just walk around as normal. And the pain must be unbearable.

6) At the end of the movie, I really didn't understand where the hell were all those people going in the ferries? Were they evacuating the city because of one madman threats? And once again, nobody notices oil drums in the engine room? Give me a break!

7) Who were those hostages in the buildings dressed as clowns? The building looks like it hasn't been finished yet. What were those people doing there? And the doctors? Actually, how did Joker even knew that they will find him in that building? It seems as if he has some crystall ball or someting, I mean, he is always one step ahead.

8) At the final showdown with Joker, Batman shoots darts from his hand into Joker's face, but later, Joker doesn't have any extra scars on his face at all!

There it is. Care to discuss?

[TheMutt92]

Well to start things off, these aren't really mistakes or irregularities for the most part, they are just either things you did not understand or things that were maybe not as clear as they should have been...

2) The whole scene in the parking lot with Scarecrow, Russians and those Batman fakes was totaly confusing and completely irrelevant for the story. I would gladly just delete the whole scene. The movie is long enough even without it. And why does Batman jumps on the van and start cutting through it? Was he trying to enter or something? And later, when he jumps on the van, he completely destroys it, like if Batman weights a thousand pounds. And he doesn't even brake a leg or anything?!

This scene is actually important for several reasons:
- reestablishes the character of Batman, and answers the question of 'what happened to Scarecrow?'
- establishes the fact that Batman's suit is no longer as helpful
- introduces the idea of copycats, furthering the idea that Gotham may not need Batman

Batman starts cutting through the car in order to nab Scarecrow. And when he lands on the van, he crushes the roof due in part to both his weight (as a physically fit man and with all that armor on) and the long fall.

3) This scene bugs me the most. When Joker throws Rachel out of the window, Batman jumps after her and they both start to fall. Batman manages to grab her and they both just land on a taxi. How in the heck they survived that?!!

Batman's armor protected them.

4) When Joker threatens to blow up a hospital, Gordon doesnt say something like: but there are like hundreds of hospitals in Gotham! Instead, they evacuate one, and behold, it was the right hospital! And how did Joker managed to set up all those charges? It's strange that no one, but really no one hasn't noticed anything suspicious?!

Gordon mentions other hospitals, but Gotham General was the most important.

5) The ugly face of Harvey Dent doesn't have an eye lid. I don't really know what exactly happens to an eye if someone can't blink, but I doubt he can have just walk around as normal. And the pain must be unbearable.!

Its a character based off from a comic book. And to have done it realisticlly might've guaranteed an R-rating.

6) At the end of the movie, I really didn't understand where the hell were all those people going in the ferries? Were they evacuating the city because of one madman threats? And once again, nobody notices oil drums in the engine room? Give me a break! !

What can I say? Joker's a clever man.

7) Who were those hostages in the buildings dressed as clowns? The building looks like it hasn't been finished yet. What were those people doing there? And the doctors? Actually, how did Joker even knew that they will find him in that building? It seems as if he has some crystall ball or someting, I mean, he is always one step ahead. !

The hostages were the people from the bus Joker jumped on after the hospital scene.

8) At the final showdown with Joker, Batman shoots darts from his hand into Joker's face, but later, Joker doesn't have any extra scars on his face at all!

Then again, can you really clearly see Joker's face?


To sum it all up, its all nit-picking that dosn't matter, and for me dosn't take anything away from the film itself.

[The Man]

Without doubt, certain factors demand suspension of logic and disbelief - the Joker's plans rely alarmingly on circumstance and luck (good for him, bad for others) - but my appreciation of TDK has actually risen since watching it on Blu-Ray. Flaws and niggles accepted, it's a fine, honourable, terrific piece of work. The stamp of a great film is one which can withstand it's failings and impress regardless. And it is a great film...

[agentsands77]

Did we need to make this a separate thread? There's already a thread for DARK KNIGHT discussion.

[The Golden Idol]

5) The ugly face of Harvey Dent doesn't have an eye lid. I don't really know what exactly happens to an eye if someone can't blink, but I doubt he can have just walk around as normal. And the pain must be unbearable.


Actually, his eye would have dried up since blinking is necessary to keep the eyes clean and moist.

[QBComics]

I'd hate to be a downer, but I found another plot hole:

When Joker is blowing up the hospital dressed as a nurse, why does the bus wait. Could they not clearly see he was dissapointed in the explosion and was beating a detanator? Do they wait because they don't know it's Joker? Then why does no one call to him to get on the bus?

Sorry. Had to get it out... :rolleyes:

[Deckard]

I'd hate to be a downer, but I found another plot hole:

When Joker is blowing up the hospital dressed as a nurse, why does the bus wait. Could they not clearly see he was dissapointed in the explosion and was beating a detanator? Do they wait because they don't know it's Joker? Then why does no one call to him to get on the bus?

Sorry. Had to get it out... :rolleyes:

Because the Joker's goons already took over the bus and were waiting for him... it's also one of the Joker's goons that grabs Mike Engle by the arm and pulls him into the bus.

Maybe your thinking too hard about what's wrong with it instead of enjoying it?

[The Man]

Because the Joker's goons already took over the bus and were waiting for him...

Indeed. His men also drive him from the M.C.U. escape...

[QBComics]

Because the Joker's goons already took over the bus and were waiting for him... it's also one of the Joker's goons that grabs Mike Engle by the arm and pulls him into the bus.

Maybe your thinking too hard about what's wrong with it instead of enjoying it?

Ah, thanks. I indeed was thinking too hard, but with that clear I can enjoy the movie a lot more now. :)

[Zealot]

Well to start things off, these aren't really mistakes or irregularities for the most part, they are just either things you did not understand or things that were maybe not as clear as they should have been...


Ok, true, but still. I mean, I had trouble following the story, let alone someone who didn't watch Batman Begins or doesn't know anything about Batman. IMHO, this is a flaw.

This scene is actually important for several reasons:
- reestablishes the character of Batman, and answers the question of 'what happened to Scarecrow?'
- establishes the fact that Batman's suit is no longer as helpful - introduces the idea of copycats, furthering the idea that Gotham may not need Batman


Ok, you are right, but I still think they could have done it more "elegantly". And besides, who cares what happened at Scarecrow? Last I remember he was locked in Arkham, why bring it back just for 5 minutes of the movie?

Batman starts cutting through the car in order to nab Scarecrow. And when he lands on the van, he crushes the roof due in part to both his weight (as a physically fit man and with all that armor on) and the long fall.


I think that they mention at several points in the movie and its prequel that Batman's armor is actually rather light. So he brakes a van, but doesn't brake a single bone?

Batman's armor protected them.


Once again, I don't buy this. I understand that the armor is good against bullets and knives and such, but falls? Really, even if Rachel landed on Batman, she would still had to broke at least SOMETHING. Remember that Batman is human too.

Gordon mentions other hospitals, but Gotham General was the most important.


I still think that Joker pulled it off too easily.

Its a character based off from a comic book. And to have done it realisticlly might've guaranteed an R-rating.


I think by the way it looks now it already deserves an R-rating.


The hostages were the people from the bus Joker jumped on after the hospital scene.


I don't remember that movie explains this anywhere.

Then again, can you really clearly see Joker's face?


Actually, yes, especially since he has that long upside down monologue of his.


To sum it all up, its all nit-picking that dosn't matter, and for me dosn't take anything away from the film itself.

People are nit-picking at every scene imaginable from Indy movies on these forums, while I have "nit-picked" like what, 10% of the movie? Really.

[Niteshade007]

Ok, you are right, but I still think they could have done it more "elegantly". And besides, who cares what happened at Scarecrow? Last I remember he was locked in Arkham, why bring it back just for 5 minutes of the movie?

Actually, I believe that the Scarecrow isn't in Arkham in the end. I'm pretty sure he's escapes during the whole end scene with the panicking in the poor part of town. I've only seen the movie maybe two times, but I'm pretty sure that he is on the loose by the end of Begins.




I think that they mention at several points in the movie and its prequel that Batman's armor is actually rather light. So he brakes a van, but doesn't brake a single bone?...Once again, I don't buy this. I understand that the armor is good against bullets and knives and such, but falls? Really, even if Rachel landed on Batman, she would still had to broke at least SOMETHING. Remember that Batman is human too.

You bring up a good point, and obviously they just didn't want to put Rachel in a cast for the most of the movie. Batman's armor is really the only explanation anyone can give, and it isn't exactly a great one.


I still think that Joker pulled it off too easily.

It's been awhile since I've seen the movie, but I believe they knew it would be Gotham General because that's where Dent was. The Joker found out that Dent was there I believe because of the cop who's wife or mother or something was in the hospital there too. The mob got to that cop, and Joker is in with the mob, so was able to find out. I'm not positive about that, but there is some significance to the cop. Maybe it's just that he was supposed to kill the accountant, but I thought it had something to do with the hospital as well.


I don't remember that movie explains this anywhere.

It doesn't outright say "These are the hostages from the bus," but Batman tackles one and it's the reporter (Anthony Michael Hall). Anthony Michael Hall was kidnapped on the bus, as we saw when he was pulled onto the bus and again when he was reporting that thing the Joker had written down. One can piece the two together and realize that the others are probably people from the bus as well.

Those are really the only thing I can give you answers for.

[The Man]

You bring up a good point, and obviously they just didn't want to put Rachel in a cast for the most of the movie. Batman's armor is really the only explanation anyone can give, and it isn't exactly a great one.


They couldn't plausibly have walked away unscathed, but it's oddly hilarious in retrospect. "Rachel is invincible? Balls! No way! She should have di - KABOOM - "Oh..."

[Katarn07]

Does Batman send a current through his cape at the last second when he catches Rachel? That scene is the only to irk me in the whole movie.

All these other flaws you point out are either NOT flaws (you're not paying enough attention) or you need to remember while much more realistic than other comic book movies, it's still a comic book movie. Suspend some disbelief, especially when it comes to Two-Face. That was an amazing look for the character and true to the comics while still adding a bit more realism to him (asymmetrical split face, burnt suit instead of the two-tone suit in the comics/Batman Forever).

[Zealot]

All these other flaws you point out are either NOT flaws (you're not paying enough attention) or you need to remember while much more realistic than other comic book movies, it's still a comic book movie. Suspend some disbelief, especially when it comes to Two-Face. That was an amazing look for the character and true to the comics while still adding a bit more realism to him (asymmetrical split face, burnt suit instead of the two-tone suit in the comics/Batman Forever).

If the movie is so much trying to be realistic, then they could at least made Two-Face...well, realistic. Besides, I never said that they made him wrong, he was much more scary and realistic THAN Two-Face from the previous Batman movie. What gets me is the eye not blinking...the eye!

And I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question about the ferries. Where were those people going? Were they evacuating the ENTIRE freakin city because Joker made some ridiculous threat?

[caats]

you need to get what realistic is in this context. it's realistic, but still staying true to it's source material. seriously nothing in this movie is different from a comic arc with Two Face or the Joker as the villain.

[The Man]

And I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question about the ferries. Where were those people going? Were they evacuating the ENTIRE freakin city because Joker made some ridiculous threat?

The Joker declared Gotham his - and told those who wanted out to leave the city. He hinted that anybody leaving by the bridge was in for a 'surprise', effectively leading them onto the ferries.

One boat contained fleeing civilians, the other full of prisoners that were less of a danger than if they stayed and fell under The Joker's persuasion.

[oki9Sedo]

I saw the film for the second time this Christmas.

I have to say, I think its really, really good. The best film of the summer. Everything about it is top notch.

All this nitpicking is precisely that. Nitpicking. It really stands up very well.

[Forbidden Eye]

I saw the film for the second time this Christmas.

I have to say, I think its really, really good. The best film of the summer. Everything about it is top notch.

All this nitpicking is precisely that. Nitpicking. It really stands up very well.

What's wrong with "nitpicking"? The fact that they released the movie to the public surely means we're able to critique it if we desire. And I think when a movie breaks all box office records, gets rave reviews from the critics and the general public alike, devoted fanboys, lame fangirls lusting over Ledger, and the ignorant young people making dimwitted claims like "TDK is teh best movie EVAR1111111!!" as well as constant hype for stuff such as academy awards, then yes, I believe it is fair to make observations about the movie and realize the movie was not perfect, despite what the population would like us to believe. Sure it might be the best superhero movie ever, hell it can possibly be justified as the best movie of the year, but you'd have to have a pretty limited knowledge of film to believe the film is the best of all time. Thus, the realization of flaws(if they're reasonable and well-constructed) are welcome imo.

And having read Zealot's criticisms, while a do agree a couple of those points should be classified as nitpicks(although, awesome observation on Two Face's eye Zealot! I never thought of that before. I'll never watch that character the same way again. :hat: ) I do agree the film was rushed through in parts(just so the ADD generation wouldn't get bored :rolleyes: ) such as the boat scene. Not to mention the film asked us to suspend disbelief A LOT. I do feel like chuckling when that explosion knocks everyone out EXCEPT the Joker.

Here's another noticeable mistake I caught since the first viewing(but ignored it simply because there were a lot of questions I had), when Two Face flips the coin, he states he only shoots people if the coin is on the burnt side, so why does he shoot the driver?(or even more importantly, whatever happens to the guy he was talking to?)

[Crusade>Raiders]

Who are you to say what someone thinks is the best movie of all time? Hell, there are people on this site that says Temple of Doom is the best movie of all time. Do I agree with them? Of course not, but they have the right to their opinion. Plus, it helps that The Dark Knight just so happens to be a masterful movie, with a fantastic screenplay, great performances(especially from Aaron Eckhart and Heath Ledger), Nolan's sense of storytelling, a soundtrack that only adds to the atmosphere(like when Fox walks into the big Watch-a-Tron room, or when that suspenseful music shows up at the end of the Batman-Joker interrogation), etc, etc, etc.

[agentsands77]

Here's another noticeable mistake I caught since the first viewing(but ignored it simply because there were a lot of questions I had), when Two Face flips the coin, he states he only shoots people if the coin is on the burnt side, so why does he shoot the driver?(or even more importantly, whatever happens to the guy he was talking to?)
That's not a mistake. Two-Face first flips for Maroni, but Maroni gets off. So Two-Face flips for Maroni's driver, which enables him to kill the driver as a way of getting a second chance at Maroni.

[Forbidden Eye]

That's not a mistake. Two-Face first flips for Maroni, but Maroni gets off. So Two-Face flips for Maroni's driver, which enables him to kill the driver as a way of getting a second chance at Maroni.

I get that, but he only kills people if he flips the coin on the burnt side. For Maroni's driver, he flipped the same side he did for Maroni, yet he still shot Maroni's driver.

[The Man]

I get that, but he only kills people if he flips the coin on the burnt side. For Maroni's driver, he flipped the same side he did for Maroni, yet he still shot Maroni's driver.

As long as he spared Ramirez, I'll be happy with Ol' Harve's behaviour. She's a stealth-bomb hottie...

[caats]

I get that, but he only kills people if he flips the coin on the burnt side. For Maroni's driver, he flipped the same side he did for Maroni, yet he still shot Maroni's driver.

haha wooow, i didn't even know you could see the coin when he flipped it. and if you can, that's just one of those lil mistakes that don't matter like the ones in all the Indy movies.