It's about that time again.

[Gustav]

That's right, kids. Time again for the end of the world!

Iran tested some short-range ground to ground missiles today. It said in the article I read that it was part of some new defensive doctrine, but it also said that Iran has recently started production on torpedoes. Torpedoes? For defense? In Iran? Iran already has a missile that can carry a nuclear warhead. The article says an upgraded version of Iran's ballistic missile could reach Israel. So I guess that means they don't have the upgraded version yet. I've heard some talk about the likelihood of Iran doing something big on August 22nd because it's some special day for Islam. I don't know if I believe all that.

My thoughts, it's probably just over-hyped. Maybe it's a new kind of propaganda to boost morale of Bush's War, even though it might not be happening if the current administration hadn't done some things that shouldn'ta done. And why wouldn't Iran be a little uneasy? If they do end up launching hell on Israel, I know the United States will come to its rescue, valiant heroes that we are. And at that time we will most likely be in draftsville.

I'm going to try not to worry about this. Even though Stephen Hawking thinks we're going into nuclear war within the year and a certain Albert Einstein quote keeps running through my head. I would rather be in Ireland or Australia. Some country that minds its own damn business.

And they thought the Black Plague was the end of the world.

Where were you the last time the world was about to end? The last time I remember the world about to end was the last few minutes of 1999 when Satan was going to pop out of the ground and Bill Clinton was going to reveal himself as the antichrist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14432175/

[Abe Vayoda]

I'm not going to worry. I've still got my "end is near" lawnchairs from TBN from eight years ago.



Really though, I'll try to go on the same as I've been and hope I don't get caught up in this ****storm.


within the year?

[Aaron H]

What is most scary is that Israel just showed the world that it has no backbone...this will give Iran and Syria more courage.

[Gustav]

I looked for an article about Stephen Hawking talking about nulcear war and didn't find any. I think my source blew what he really said out of proportion. That'll show me to check up on my sources. The closest thing I could find was a recent article in which he says he thinks the human race won't last another 1,000 years if we don't start colonizing other planets and he mentions that nuclear war is a threat to the human race but biological warfare is an even greater threat. The colonization of space would be important to the survival of our race in any case because so much could happen to this tiny planet. Our existence is much more fragile and coincidental than most people realize. I've been saying this for years so maybe I'm as smart as Stephen Hawking, huh? I wouldn't dismiss nuclear war as a possibility just yet though.

I'm going to just try to stay out of this as long as I can. I don't see that this is my fight, but living in the U.S. right now kind of feels like you're riding passenger in a very expensive red car and the driver is pointing a gun at every gangster he thinks might possibly be packing and telling them what to do, and in the process drawing a lot of unwanted attention to you. You're not asking for this, the driver is dragging you into it. And because you're in the car, everybody thinks you're in on it and then they're going to make it your fight too. You just want to get out of the car and let the guy go get his self killed without you.

[San Holo]

I'm going to just try to stay out of this as long as I can. I don't see that this is my fight, but living in the U.S. right now kind of feels like you're riding passenger in a very expensive red car and the driver is pointing a gun at every gangster he thinks might possibly be packing and telling them what to do, and in the process drawing a lot of unwanted attention to you. You're not asking for this, the driver is dragging you into it. And because you're in the car, everybody thinks you're in on it and then they're going to make it your fight too. You just want to get out of the car and let the guy go get his self killed without you.
Buck up, Gussie. You are starting to sound like a woman;)

[IndyBuff]

What is most scary is that Israel just showed the world that it has no backbone...this will give Iran and Syria more courage.

I'm bothered by this "cease fire" and I doubt it will last very long. Israel has a strong military but unfortunately they're never able to use it for very long. If they were given a week they could really clean things up but now they're vulnerable to another attack again.

[Indyologist]

I've heard the same stuff about the 22nd. According to Islam, Mohammad is supposed to return that day. Well, we'll see.

The fact that we (USA) are thousands of miles away from the Middle East doesn't mean that we won't be affected by the events there; not by a long shot. 9/11 already proved that. There is coming a time very soon when events in the Middle East won't just affect our respective countries; it will affect each and every one of us personally. Mark my words.

I'm concerned about how it will affect me personally and affect everyone else (especially Israel), but I'm not worried. I know Who is holding my hand, and He will never me let go. This gives me great peace.

[Gustav]

Buck up, Gussie. You are starting to sound like a woman;)


Ahem ahem. I mean I can't wait to go to war so I can shoot people I don't know who want my blood because someone else I don't know blew up their house when the kids were inside. Bullets flying, 13-year-old suicide bombers, land mines. Now that's what I call a good time. Is that a little manlier?

Look, if this were WWII I would have enlisted long ago, but the bad guys aren't so clearly defined these days.

I'm not a patriot. My country is doing a lot of things that don't make any sense to me and I don't want to be involved. I'm not afraid to admit that. I would love to go somewhere people wouldn't associate me with any country.


And don't call me Gussie.

[San Holo]

Ahem ahem. I mean I can't wait to go to war so I can shoot people I don't know who want my blood because someone else I don't know blew up their house when the kids were inside. Bullets flying, 13-year-old suicide bombers, land mines. Now that's what I call a good time. Is that a little manlier? Look, if this were WWII I would have enlisted long ago, but the bad guys aren't so clearly defined these days. I'm not a patriot. My country is doing a lot of things that don't make any sense to me and I don't want to be involved. I'm not afraid to admit that. I would love to go somewhere people wouldn't associate me with any country.
And don't call me Gussie.
Let me get this strait, Gussie - you are riding in this expensive red car and the driver flashing his gun at every gangster he thinks might possibly be packing and telling them what to do, and in the process drawing a lot of unwanted attention to you. You don't want any part of this violence, the driver is dragging you into it. Because you're in the car, everybody thinks you're in on it and then they're going to make it your fight too. You just want to get out of the car and let the guy go get his self killed without you. What you are not getting is the fact, that without this driver showing these "gangsters" his "Dirty Hairy magnum", you are gonna get dragged out of your passenger seat,beaten, anally intruded,then have your throat slit by them. These terrorists do not share your happy,fuzzy,non violent view of the world. They say that you must be converted or killed, but the reality is the latter. They want you dead, they want your family and friends dead, and the only thing that slows them down is having that .357 shoved down their throats. You can't show weakness to these people and by running away, they are only emboldend. They are the bad guys who are plotting attacks to kill innocent civilians like yourself, maybe while you are on a plane to Disneyland. If you are okay with that, then maybe you ,should, find another country to call your own. You would definatly like France:p

[Pale Horse]

What is most scary is that Israel just showed the world that it has no backbone...this will give Iran and Syria more courage.

Who said it was Isreal that made the decision? My quess is that Isreal wants to bait an attack to reveal the true enemy, and they were all to happy to play to the diplomatic passivism of the UN, I mean US to warrent such an attack. Then, they will show these men of will, what will really is.

[Gustav]

Okay, drone. So this is the scenario: Evil terrorists came over here and flew our own planes into some buildings and killed lots of people and now we're fighting the good fight and tracking them down and justice is prevailing thanks again to the good ol' USA. Is that right? You just go ahead and believe every piece of BS that Dubya offers you. Fall for every scare tactic.

I would gladly move to another country, but it's easier said than done. And you're right, I probably would like France, but I'm talking more like the Galapagos. Somewhere below the radar. You know, not forever, just until this whole thing blows over.

It's paranoia like yours that makes this country do some of the stupid things it does. You're fooling yourself if you think this country can do no wrong. You were right about the world not being a happy, fuzzy place, but it's also not the snake pit you make it out to be.

The U.S. acts like it's saving the middle east but it certainly doesn't look that way to me. Looks more like we're bombing the sh** out of it. We're just not very efficient are we? That's why America has made more emeies in this war than it had at the beginning. But you just keep fighting the good fight, tough guy.


I'm not talking about running away either, I'm talking about not getting involved in this stupidity in the first place. If this were a war against the people who planned 911 I would support it, but that's not what this war is accomplishing.


And North Korea.....I don't know. Kim Jong Il needs to be dead, but I don't think the United States could manage that without turning the whole country into a crater. Team America: World Police.

[San Holo]

Paranoid Drone, huh? I won't even get into that one. Your problem, Gussie, is that you are making this political. Bush was not the founder of radical Islam, nor did his administration get the country into this crisis, he more or less inherited it from previous offices, Clinton comes to mind. As far as Iraq goes,Bush firmly believes the terror war is being played out in that chaotic country, and if Iran gets influence there — which it would should America leave — then terrorism becomes dramatically stronger. And "running away", that is exactly what you would get. A Shiite controlled middle east, with nukes and the will to rid the world of anyone who doesn't subscribe to their beleifs. That's when you need to start worrying about the end of the world, kiddo.

Now there are millions who share your"run and hide" views of this situation. You do not support the president on Iraq, partly because yall don't understand the big fU@k'n picture.The president is correct about worldwide terrorism: It's not going away even if we do get out of Iraq. Last week the U.N. talked tough about separating Hezbollah and Israel. This week, France, which led the ceasefire movement, shocked many by offering just 200 troops. Once again, France epitomizes the world and its failure to confront the murdering terrorists.

As the prime terror facilitator, Iran must be having a blast. It well understands that France and most of Europe is weak and scared and that Russia and China see any weakening of the USA as more important than fighting terror. Iranian leadership will defy the U.N. on nukes, wait and see. Because it knows the U.N. is also weak and afraid. The U.S. faces worldwide terror with only a few allies like Great Britain and Australia.

I believe many Americans understand the terror danger, but are exhausted by the complexity of it. They are tired of bad news from Iraq and the continuing threats from the terror killers. But being tired and scared is no excuse. You, little Gus, are gonna have to grow up and face your problems one day. We all have an obligation to pay attention to this war and to "fight the good fight". If you don't love it, leave it.

[Moedred]

we will most likely be in draftsville.
Relax, the military is exceeding its recruitment goals. And we dodged "mandatory service for high school students" when Kerry lost in 2004:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040210043828/www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/

I would rather be in Ireland or Australia. Some country that minds its own damn business.
Australia has troops in Iraq. Why not try Germany? They are vehemently opposed to the war. Though you might avoid the Koblenz and Dortmund train stations, where unexploded bomb suitcases planted by Islamic terrorists were found last month. Of course Germans brought this on themselves, by persistently remaining non-Muslim.

[Ray Delark]

Maranatha?:dead:

[Doc Savage]

Maranatha?:dead:
Absolutely.

Do I love my country? Verily. Do I trust my government? About as far as I could chuck a piano. The state of America today doubtless has every Founding Father spinning like a 45 in their respective graves.

That being said, we're in it whether we like it or not. My only greivance with Theodore Roosevelt is his making us a world police force. Upon examination, however, it makes little sense to be "building a happier Iraq" when our touted enemy has an open door on our own land mass.

As pertains to Israel, if they get their governmental head on straight, America would be best served by just getting out of their way. Six Day War, anyone?

[roundshort]

OOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNOOOOOOO

it is over, I was not worried much until I heard that France is sending 2,000 troops (cheese eating surrender monkies) to Lebanon as UN peacekeepers.


oh crap

I quote my good friend and former poker buddy General Norman Schwarzkopf

from Vietnam, "I would rather have 3 Division of them (VC) in front of me than 1 Platoon of the French behind me . . .fighting for me!"

[Doc Savage]

OOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNOOOOOOO

it is over, I was not worried much until I heard that France is sending 2,000 troops (cheese eating surrender monkies) to Lebanon as UN peacekeepers.


Look out, Lebanon...:rolleyes:

[San Holo]

After all of the empty threats, the UN has been punked out, once again. Iran says it will not stop it's nuclear program. What is the United Nations role in the big picture, if it can't even deal with 1 country. Sanctions are a joke, anyways.

[Doc Savage]

What is the United Nations role in the big picture, if it can't even deal with 1 country.To try to intimidate everyone else into doing what it thinks is PC. I've said it once and I'll say it again...the League of Nations tried and failed to do what the UN is trying to do. They should learn from history.

[Finn]

The UN can't hardball a sovereign nation. It's just not right to tell Iran that you can't have nukes but the US can, as long as there's no Solid proof of them using the blasts as an assault weapon. Everybody thinks so, me included, yes... but they still can't.

It's called diplomacy. I know, it sounds something only sissies do and certainly doesn't sort out problems, but without it most of us would be a pile of splattered guts already...

[Gustav]

Aye, and how many countries have actually used nukes? I think we should do away with them altogether. I'm much more comfortable with the up-close and personal type of warfare. It also forces you to appreciate what war is by seeing your enemy's face when you kill him, whereas with a nuke you get pissed, push a button, end of conversation, take another sip of your coffee. It's kind of like having arguments with people online. If you can't see their face you are much more likely to jump to hurling insults and disrespecting them than you are if you were having the argument in person.


OOOOHHHHHHHH NNNNNNNOOOOOOO

it is over, I was not worried much until I heard that France is sending 2,000 troops (cheese eating surrender monkies) to Lebanon as UN peacekeepers.


oh crap



That was funny. I wonder if they're sending the Foreign Legion.

[fortuneandglory]

On the subject of Iran and Korea, they are posturing for position in the world. And that is pretty much all it is. They might get Nuclear capability, but they have nothing to gain from bombing us. Sure, kill the infadels, but thats not what the "powers that be" are really aiming for. They just wanna get some more power in their greedy little hands. The fact is, we are allies with Israel, and we have to support them if Iran attacks them. Iran DOES want to attack them.

As to the whole police force thing, I hate to say this, but we are a part of a global community (dubious end of the world reference) and the strongest dude in the neighborhood is either going to be a bully or a protector. In my opinion, we're a protector, the Middle east consists of quite a few bullies, and China is the dude that follows the bully around. LOL.

I'm not too worried about an attack from Iran or Korea, but if North Korea does anything, its gonna be in South of the border. And not our border LOL.
Its not about a spread of Communism or anything like that, and to be honest, I'm not sure what it really is all about. One thing I know is, there is danger out there in the world, and it's scary. But we have got to stand together. This isolationist "who cares whats going on" attitude is more of an attitude of the dark ages of this country. Not that those lasted too long.

I dont think its the end of the world here, but we have gotta be careful what we're doing.

As to the length of this current war, well, its kind of done... if you look at it from a certain point of view. Our main objective has been completed, and now we're cleaning up. WWII did end at a specific time... but we stayed years after that to clean up and put up an infrastructure. We did in fact quell insurgencies much of that time, so if you look at it in that light, this is nothin' compared to the "punch the Nazi" war. We're (America as a whole) a lot less united because we haven't had a figurative Pearl Harbor on our hands from Iraq directly, and on the whole we are more easily made to accept all the s*** the media feeds us every day.

But I'm off topic.. and this is just an opinion.

[fortuneandglory]

Aye, and how many countries have actually used nukes? I think we should do away with them altogether. I'm much more comfortable with the up-close and personal type of warfare. It also forces you to appreciate what war is by seeing your enemy's face when you kill him, whereas with a nuke you get pissed, push a button, end of conversation, take another sip of your coffee. It's kind of like having arguments with people online. If you can't see their face you are much more likely to jump to hurling insults and disrespecting them than you are if you were having the argument in person.




That was funny. I wonder if they're sending the Foreign Legion.

Sorry about the double post, but I totally agree. I'd rather much do away with WMD's all together, it gives me a headache. However, total disarmament in this manner is pie in the sky. Its sad, really. Thats why I dont really worry about it *that* much!

By the way, stand by for the following unsupported statement!

The UN Is a worthless figurehead. Example: A cop sees a dirtbag using MJ in his car, and suspects he may have other drugs because he is a known dealer. By law has the right to search the car (my dads a cop, I know things... BUWAHAHAH!). He asks to search the car and the guy says no. The police officer gives him a strong talking to, and lets him go about smoking MJ in the car. There you go.