Tiger Woods

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Dang, IS this guy for real......

After his best finish last week, he is up in Bridgestone after two days. How many majors do you think Tiger will win in his career? He will over take Jack soon. Jack won 18majors, Tiger is what at 12 now at 32 or 33?!?!?! GO TIGER!

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I am not a golfer, I hack a bit and enjoy the links on a hot sunny day as much as the next guy.

With that said, I have been watching Tiger for awhile, and have been studying a bit about golf, it seems I play a few more rounds every year . . .

Is Tiger the greatest EVER! I mean the guy is amazing, all he does is win! He is what 34, 35 years old! He is just so much fun to watch golf. Anyoen here ever see him golf?

[Joe Brody]

I put this right up there with your Jimmy Buffet thread from awhile back. Sometimes I seriously think you've got this strange inverted Doctor Jekyll & Mr. Hyde thing going on.

Maybe the transformation happens when you're traveling on business and you rent a Buick.

[Salacious]

I wont knock the guy's talent, but I hate Tiger Woods.

I just wish this guy would go away.

Where is Tanya Harding when you need her?

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I wont knock the guy's talent, but I hate Tiger Woods.

I just wish this guy would go away.

Where is Tanya Harding when you need her?


WHAT???? What has Tiger done to you? Yes it is a bummer when we actually have a postive role model in sports! Poor guy does nothing but work hard and win. If you like teams who cheat (Pats)< Greedy players who don't care about the fans (NHL), people with chase big pay checks (NBA), and lets not even talk about the MLB . . .

Tiger rocks!

[Salacious]

My Dad met Tiger Woods. This is a family friendly site, so I wont get into the details...but Tiger is an ass***e. I'll leave it at that.

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My Dad met Tiger Woods. This is a family friendly site, so I wont get into the details...but Tiger is an ass***e. I'll leave it at that.


Too bad, Everyone i know has had great times with him. I guess when you get mobbed as much as a guy like TW gets, it isn't always easy to gracious. I do know Tiger is a huge friend to the wine industry!

And he just played another killer round today! Go TIG!

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Masters,

Tiger is not playing his best! this is shaping up to be a great Masters! Go Tiger, anyoen else watching?

[Ska]

I watched a little yesterday...saw Tiger on the 18th.

Damn, Augusta is such a beautiful course.

I hack a little myself...there's quite a number of courses around this area. I'd love to go out more, but life just doesn't allow it at the current time. 'Tis ashame.

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I watched a little yesterday...saw Tiger on the 18th.

Damn, Augusta is such a beautiful course.

I hack a little myself...there's quite a number of courses around this area. I'd love to go out more, but life just doesn't allow it at the current time. 'Tis ashame.

It is an amazing course I do some business there and walked it last year, it is wonderful!

[Joe Brody]

It is an amazing course I do some business there and walked it last year, it is wonderful!

. . .and how about the community around the club?

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. . .and how about the community around the club?

I love Savannah, but Augusta as a town isn't bad, they have done a lot of nice work around the river front etc. But I would rather be in Savannah or up in Charleston!

[Joe Brody]

I've never been to Augusta but I've been told that it's really impoverished around the club. I've been in some of the most depressed and blighted neighborhoods in the northeast, but there's something about poor areas in the South that really bring me down. I don't know how I could enjoy a fabricated environment like Augusta knowing the reality that surrounds it.



(and no, I'm not John Edwards)

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I've never been to Augusta but I've been told that it's really impoverished around the club. I've been in some of the most depressed and blighted neighborhoods in the northeast, but there's something about poor areas in the South that really bring me down. I don't know how I could enjoy a fabricated environment like Augusta knowing the reality that surrounds it.



(and no, I'm not John Edwards)

I love the South East, but you are wrong about this. While I have not been everyewhere in it, I can say, for every great town or city in deep south, it is impoverished around it. Augusta is no exception. That is why there are so many gated communities down there, esp. on the golden coast area.

I think Tiger is out of this one!

[Joe Brody]

Pebble Beach or Augusta?

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Pebble Beach or Augusta?


not too many poor areas near Pebble Beach, a great place to vacation thought, love Big Sur! PEBBLE and Spyglass are both killer courses

[RichardJones]

Didn't win the Masters today :(

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nope, second place again, no grand slam this year!

WOODROW!

[G-Man]

Any thoughts as to why he can't win from behind on the last day??

[Joe Brody]

nope, second place again, no grand slam this year!

WOODROW!

I'm even a golfer and I've heard the fans complaining about Tiger being full of himself and arrogantly (sp?) talking up his prospects at a grand slam in the build-up to the Masters. Dude should stick to peddling Buicks.

[Pale Horse]

... Dude should stick to peddling Buicks.

Is that what kids are calling it these days?

http://img.timeinc.net/golf/i/tours/2007/06/june19_elin2002_441x600.jpg

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Tiger is a blessed man,

Pale, I will be in Napa Rose starting next Sunday night . . get your liver ready!

[Pale Horse]

Been working with the Mrs, to see you at the Pacific Warf, and learn all we can....We're looking at Tuesday, but we got your lineup. (Bought the annual passes last Sat.)

[Joe Brody]

Is that what kids are calling it these days?

http://img.timeinc.net/golf/i/tours/2007/06/june19_elin2002_441x600.jpg


kudos to Tiger . . . . I'm no good when it comes to blondes but she looks like she's got a little Nicole Brown thing going on. Good nutrition has given her some length of bone.

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Been working with the Mrs, to see you at the Pacific Warf, and learn all we can....We're looking at Tuesday, but we got your lineup. (Bought the annual passes last Sat.)

Nice,
It will be a fun time. I have a pretty good line up for these!

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LETS GO TIGER! I hope he didn't make his knee worse! He rocks. I think Saturday of the OPEN was the best golf I have ever watched!

His story just keeps going!

[G-Man]

The guy is amazing...

[Pale Horse]

Yeah, but he still has to place in the top ten in every major until 2019, just to match Nicklaus. It will be a long decade.

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Yeah, but he still has to place in the top ten in every major until 2019, just to match Nicklaus. It will be a long decade.

I disagree, it is about Wins, not top ten finishes. Remember, 2nd place is the first loser!

But, Jack and Arnold's place are there, just fun to see new blood. I hope to see more of Rocco (Another Western PA native, like Arnold)

[indifan101]

Hey Tiger Hockey's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat!

[mutt willams]

Tiger Woods is awsome!!! he won the U.S. Open with a hurt leg in the play off with rocco!!! (not sure thats how u spell his name). someone like rocco, whos not a very well known player, gets under alot of pressure, playing TIGER WOODS! when Tiger wants to win hes gonna win! hes unbelivible!

[mutt willams]

Yeah, but he still has to place in the top ten in every major until 2019, just to match Nicklaus. It will be a long decade.

ya, but i garuntee he will do it!

[mutt willams]

I disagree, it is about Wins, not top ten finishes. Remember, 2nd place is the first loser!

But, Jack and Arnold's place are there, just fun to see new blood. I hope to see more of Rocco (Another Western PA native, like Arnold)

but 2nd place is in the top ten, so he at least needs to be in the top ten!

[mutt willams]

LETS GO TIGER! I hope he didn't make his knee worse! He rocks. I think Saturday of the OPEN was the best golf I have ever watched!

His story just keeps going!

i enjoyed it to, what we're watching is history....

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i enjoyed it to, what we're watching is history....


totally!


Thanks for great tube Tiger! Total class act.

[ValenciaGrail]

Yeah, but he still has to place in the top ten in every major until 2019, just to match Nicklaus. It will be a long decade.


Exactly – people who either aren’t old enough or don’t know the game well enough are very cavalier about dismissing Nicholas in favor of Tiger.

If TW wins his 5 more majors – which is highly likely at this point – then he’ll have the most Major victories, but that distinction is not synonymous with being the best golfer ever. That is a bigger picture.

Nicholas’s competition was much stiffer in his era, period. This is evidenced by the fact that he won not only 18 majors, but had 19 second place finishes. Tiger has only three second place finishes to date.

This indicates that the PGA field in the 60’s and 70’s had golfers with not only the talent, but also the mental toughness to go toe to toe with Nicholas on the biggest stage. Tom Watson, Lee Trevino, Arnold Palmer, Johnny Miller to name a few. JN won 18 majors in the face of a field of golfers with the talent AND heart to stand up to him.

Who have been the folks that have actually challenged Tiger? They’ve been journeyman and otherwise anonymous faces in the crowd on the tour, each rising to their 15 minutes of fame. Bob May, Rocco Mediate, Chris DiMarco….These were golfers with the heart to stand up to TW – but ultimately lacked the talent to come out on top.

What about those who actually have the talent to beat TW? Well, the Michelson’s, Els’s, Singh’s, and Garcia’s of the world fold like a cheap lawn chair when they’re in a two-minute drill at the end of a Major tournament in which TW is involved.

When they actually do beat TW, it’s because he’s been well back in the pack, not because they’ve outlasted and outshot TW at the end of a tournament.
They can only win majors when Tiger is back in the pack, and isn’t among those they’ll have to beat on days 3 and 4.

Factor in the success Nicholas had at advanced age – and with injuries to boot:

In 1986, Nicholas won the Masters at age 46, topping a field that included Tom Kite and Greg Norman – which is still a record for the oldest major winner ever.

In 1998 – Nicholas finished 6th at the Masters at age 58, four strokes from the lead …basically on one leg, after a hip replacement. He finished ahead of golfers such as Ernie Els, Davis Love, … and one 22-year old Tiger Woods, the year AFTER TW had won it by 12 strokes.
Yes, TW’s performance in the US Open on a bad knee was phenomenal, but JN’s 1998 Masters finish was arguably just as impressive. 58-year olds with bad hips are supposed to be on the Senior Tour, not on the radar screen to win PGA majors….and beating most of the best golfers in the world head-to-head to boot.

Finally, consider the equipment then versus now. If JN had the sort of nuclear powered drivers available today, he’d be hitting 330-340 just as today’s best golfers do.

Don’t get me wrong – when speaking of the best all time, TW is certainly in the conversation right along with Nicholas. I just don’t think it’s time to put TW in a class by himself simply because he wins that 19th major. Tiger may be the most marketable golfer of all time, but selling Buicks doesn’t make him the best. People are missing the bigger picture of how great the Golden Bear’s career really was, and are far to quick to dismiss him.

Only the unfolding of history will tell the full story, and TW is still a work in progress.

[Pale Horse]

But he's sure fun to watch, that Tiger. Heeeeeee's GREAT!

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But he's sure fun to watch, that Tiger. Heeeeeee's GREAT!


And he named his son Sam, who doesn't love that?

Well, Tiger haters are out there, I guess to bad. Tiger is a blast, he is getting more kids to golf than any other player has, from different economic backgrounds. Just talk to any pro at any public golf course, the number of kids who are taking up the sport want to be like Tiger! Cool! If you throw away all titles, anyone who gets kids to take part in sports (outside not on a video game) is tops in my books. Tiger, keep winning, keep getting kids to play!

[Pale Horse]

I golf, now; so I can meet chicks like Elin. :P

now that's what I call sport!

[ValenciaGrail]

But he's sure fun to watch, that Tiger. Heeeeeee's GREAT!

Yup, his mere presence in a tournament worth an entire rating point by itself, according to the TV execs.
And an entire PGA tour event here in Colorado (The International) was cancelled last year despite a 20 year history.

The reason? Tiger never played but once, turing away sponsors.

Heaven knows where the PGA will be once Tiger is gone....

And BTW - I think you probably meant "He's GRRRRRREEAAAAAAAT", if you were going for a Tony the Tiger gloss ;)

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Yup, his mere presence in a tournament worth an entire rating point by itself, according to the TV execs.
And an entire PGA tour event here in Colorado (The International) was cancelled last year despite a 20 year history.

The reason? Tiger never played but once, turing away sponsors.

Heaven knows where the PGA will be once Tiger is gone....


So Colorado can't hold an event without Tiger? Pretty sad, I wonder how others can do it? I know some people who don't like Kobe in Colorado also.

The PGA will be fine, but will have to get used to a lot of new blood. I am sure there are Mini Tigers getting ready to take Tigers "greatest Golfer Ever" title form him in a few years!

[ValenciaGrail]

So Colorado can't hold an event without Tiger? Pretty sad, I wonder how others can do it? I know some people who don't like Kobe in Colorado also.



You aren't the first one to make that comment; many people were disappointed to see it go. With Stableford scoring, it rewarded agressive play and made things very interesting. No laying up when you'd get 5 points for an eagle but zero for making par....

What people don't get is how much the economics of the game have changed due to the Tiger effect.

The ratings delta with / without Tiger is huge, and ratings points equals millions of dollars. This modality did not exist pre-Tiger.

Colorado is a small market, and cannot absorb this hit the way larger markets with more dollars can, or in markets with a more deeply rooted PGA tradtion.

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Yeah, but he still has to place in the top ten in every major until 2019, just to match Nicklaus. It will be a long decade.


So you are saying that makes Jack, second to . . .Sam Snead with 358 . . .

[ValenciaGrail]

So you are saying that makes Jack, second to . . .Sam Snead with 358 . . .

Nope - Sam Snead had 48 top ten finishes, JN had 73.
TW is sitting at 29, I believe

Although SS does have the most total PGA victories at 82

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Nope - Sam Snead had 48 top ten finishes, JN had 73.
TW is sitting at 29, I believe

Although SS does have the most total PGA victories at 82


sorry my facts were wrong . . .

"The record for finishing the Top 10 the most times in a PGA Tour career belongs to:

Sam Snead - 358 Top 10 finishes

For the sake of comparison, here are the number of Top 10s posted by some other golfers:

Jack Nicklaus - 286
Arnold Palmer - 245
Billy Casper - 236
Tom Watson - 218
Gene Littler - 213
Tom Kite - 209
Gary Player - 177
Lee Trevino - 166
Hale Irwin - 165
Raymond Floyd - 163
Ben Crenshaw - 144
Greg Norman - 128"

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Heaven knows where the PGA will be once Tiger is gone....



Well, all Tiger Haters will get their wish! Looks like Tigers victory came at a huge price, he is having season ending surgery for his ACL! Now, for anyone who has had a knee injury, What he did over 91 holes, WAS AMAZING. The pain he must have been in to just walk, forget about the massive energy of his swing! The Tiger legend builds.

Golf has a new number 1 tough guy, both physical and Mental!

[Pale Horse]

Golf has a new number 1 tough guy, both physical and Mental!


We should all be so blessed to have that sort of WILL...

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and wife to "kiss it, and make it feel better"

[Pale Horse]

and wife to "kiss it, and make it feel better"


http://www.pbase.com/woodystaxidermy/image/45965107.jpg

indeed....

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http://www.pbase.com/woodystaxidermy/image/45965107.jpg

indeed....


Even better than a Bacon Bra! And YEs I will still visit NR, just not as much as I would like! How was C 33?

[Pale Horse]

Very anti-climatic. Again. Thantosis (as I like to refer to her here) loved it, which made for a good night. Baby sitters are cool, too.

[ValenciaGrail]

Well, all Tiger Haters will get their wish! Looks like Tigers victory came at a huge price, he is having season ending surgery for his ACL! Now, for anyone who has had a knee injury, What he did over 91 holes, WAS AMAZING. The pain he must have been in to just walk, forget about the massive energy of his swing! The Tiger legend builds.

Golf has a new number 1 tough guy, both physical and Mental!

This is too bad. Most folks always took for granted that 18 majors would be automatic - and it's likely that he'll still win his five and catch Nicholas - but make no mistake, this knee issue is serious. He has a stress fracture...and microfractures do not exactly have a history of healing as good as new, even with plenty of rest. It will at least put the brakes on his chase a bit, if not call it into question for the first time. The 2008 US Open showed that he can play in pain, but I don't know that he can keep going to that well and win tournements. At the very least, that knee will never be quite the same.

This just goes to show just what an achivement 18 majors is; things have to be favorable for a very long time, and that includes injuries. Those who don't consider golf a sport should note the training regimen of a fellow like TW, and that fact that you can get some of the same injuries playing golf as a running back. They just happen via cumulative stress rather than sudden trauma.

[Pale Horse]

I sense a T.O. (Terell Owens) comeback. If you can will yourself to win, you can will yourself to heal.

Or he just wanted more time with his family.

[ValenciaGrail]

I sense a T.O. (Terell Owens) comeback. If you can will yourself to win, you can will yourself to heal.

Or he just wanted more time with his family.

Perhaps, but T.O. didn't have the sort of microfracture problem that TW has.
TO had a garden variety broken bone...set it, it heals, done.

Microfractures, however, are a chronic problem. They are known for being especially exascerbated when someone "plays through pain"....as TW has.

Exhibit 'A': Bill Walton, who was one of the all time BBall greats, but was never the same after all the stress fracture problems. Kenyon Martin has had very similar microfracture problems that have never gone away completely.

[Pale Horse]

Perhaps, but T.O. didn't have the sort of microfracture problem that TW has.
TO had a garden variety broken bone...set it, it heals, done.

Microfractures, however, are a chronic problem. They are known for being especially exascerbated when someone "plays through pain"....as TW has.

Exhibit 'A': Bill Walton, who was one of the all time BBall greats, but was never the same after all the stress fracture problems. Kenyon Martin has had very similar microfracture problems that have never gone away completely.

I am grumpy today, so I'll keep this short, so as not to isolate anyone, but I have first hand knowledge of the EMP effect on bone fractures, and interested readers can further develop their knowledge HERE (http://www.ifess.org/Services/Consumer_Ed/References/bone_healing_references.pdf). I say bipolar impulse current therapy, and a hyperbolic chamber...(with proper diet and nutrition, of course) and Tiger will be ready for....wait for it....The British Open.

[Goonie]

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Tiger, Lance, countless Baeball players. If you are going to be a sportssuperstar, why get married?

[Pale Horse]

...um...the tax benefits? :rolleyes:

[Joe Brody]

Tiger, Lance . . . ?

Kurt Warner?