Peacock's Eye = ToD diamond?

[fortuneandglory]

Guys... Anyone notice the resemblance of the diamond in the first part of Temple of Doom, to the Treasure of the Peacocks eye?? :) Thats what I think at least... I have nothing to support it... but it sure bears a great resemblance...

[fortuneandglory]

Hey, this post got NO replies when it was first out. I believe that the treasure that Indy was trading for with Lao Che was the Peacocks eye. He was passionate about getting it, would trade with a criminal for it (although he may have done that before, we see in LC he just steals it when he cares about it), and he never found the Peacocks eye in YIJC. Thoughts? Anybody else make the connection?

[Junior Jones]

Yeah, others have suggested the link, and we've discussed it before. There's not really much to say about it.

(By the way, I personally like the idea that they are the same.)

[Violet Indy]

Interesting observation. I never really thought of that before. But, I wouldn't think so because ToD was made way before and if it was, it wouldn't serve the end of the Peacock's Eye episode any justice.

[Kill Cavalry]

Lucas is known for retconning, though. He and Spielberg may very well have created the Peacock's Eye episode as a nod to that first scene in ToD.

[Edward The Head]

I always thought of the Peacock's Eye as something that didn't exist. If that's what they want it to be so be it, but I'd rather the Eye not exist.

[Kill Cavalry]

From a strictly story telling point of view, Edward is right. The Peacock's eye is supposed to be something unobtainable, something even Indy couldn't catch.

[Adamwankenobi]

The Peacock's eye is supposed to be something unobtainable, something even Indy couldn't catch.

But who's to say Remy couldn't have caught it and accidentally let it fall into the hands of Lao Che? :p

[Violet Indy]

But at that point how old and how broke would Remy be??? What about the wife and kids???

[fortuneandglory]

Awww... Remy never found it. Indy tracked it down later and obviously Lao Che got it first, and wanted a trade... So, Indy found Nerhatchi... or however you spell it.

[VP]

Nurhachi. :whip:

[fortuneandglory]

Thanks! :sick: :D :eek: :o :mad: :( :confused: ;) :whip: :p :dead: :cool: :rolleyes: :)

[Twilightpro101]

I've always been curious about that particular situation.

[CKwriter]

I've liked this idea since I first read about it but have yet to see Peacock's Eye (roll on those DVDs). With regard to the diamond being "something unobtainable" it does still end up lost after Jones and Willie go out the window.

[BrodyIsDead]

Does anyone else think that the Young Indy episode with the Peacock's Eye (an ancient precious diamond lost in the Far East) could be the diamond that Lao Che swaps for Nurhachi in Temple of Doom?

Just a thought - dunno if it's ever officially been linked though in literature etc...


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[Junior Jones]

Yeah, that's been talked about here before. I like to think they're the same, but there's nothing definitive to say they are.

[HovitosKing]

Well it would have to be a pretty important (i.e., meaningful) diamond for Indy to trade Nurhachi for it, I can't see Indy simply "cashing in" on an amazing archaeological discovery for just any old piece of ice, no matter how valuable. I like to think there's a story behind the diamond, even if it's not the Peacock's Eye. To answer your question, though, no I don't think it's the same diamond.

[Bullwhip]

I think a wiki article references the Peacock's Eye = TOD diamond thing. Have no idea what their source is since I've never read Indiana Jones novels/EU.

[Attila the Professor]

I'd say it's mere conjecture, though not without basis. I'm not sure I like the way it takes away some of Indy's darker side as exhibited in the beginning of Temple of Doom, though.

[Doctorjones]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Peacock

[Attila the Professor]

Nice sourcing, there.

[IndyJr.]

I thought about this JUST yesterday in fact... coincidence... heh... :p
I think it's possible

[metalinvader]

I'd love to think that it is.Why else would Indy want an anonymous diamond that bad?

If it is the peacocks eye why did Lao Che have it?

[Falcon]

If the last place where Young Indy and Remy searched for it was in the area of the South China Sea, then conceiveably Lao Che could have gotten his hands on it.

[Niteshade007]

I've never made the connection before. But then again, I never finished Treasure of the Peacock's Eye. I was watching it up until some girl died, and then they were on a beach and all these pirates or something died, and then I walked out of the room.

I can barely remember it at all it's been so long. My dad was a big fan of the Young Indiana Jones series though.

[Rocket Surgeon]

500-carat diamond found at S. African mine
Chicken-egg-sized stone may be among world's top 20 high-quality gems

Petra Diamonds Chief Executive Johan Dippenaar holds a white diamond weighing 507.55 carats, which was excavated at the historic Cullinan mine in South Africa on Sept. 24, 2009.

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090929-diamond-vmed-9a.widec.jpg

JOHANNESBURG - Petra Diamonds Ltd. says a diamond the size of a chicken egg has been found at South Africa's Cullinan mine.

The diamond may be among the world's top 20 high-quality gems. It was discovered Thursday at the mine northeast of Pretoria, South Africa.

Johan Dippenaar, the company's chief executive said in a statement Tuesday that the 507.55-carat gem was of "exceptional color and clarity."

No value has been given yet for the diamond, which weighs just over 100 grams.

The mine also produced the largest diamond ever found, the Cullinan, at 3,106 carats in the rough. That finished stone is set in Britain's Imperial Scepter as part of the Crown Jewels.

[Indy Scout 117]

yes, from what i read, the Eye of the Peacock diamond is the same diamond in ToD.

[Lonsome_Drifter]

yes, from what i read, the Eye of the Peacock diamond is the same diamond in ToD.

It is, and Short Round found it again years later.

[AnnieJones]

Here is the information about the Peacock's Eye diamond from Indiana Jones Wiki: http://indianajones.wikia.com/wiki/Peacock%27s_Eye
According to The Diary(and this is very risky what I'm doing here,because The Diary's and the Ultimate Guide's information isn't completely correct),here is what it has:

Nov.22,1918(1919 on the DVD itself,although Nov.22,1918 is more correct considering they went looking for it right after WW I and WW I ended on November 11,1918)-Was when he and Remy first started looking for it.

Dec.1935(June 1935 in The Ultimate Guide)-Indy writes,"After more than fifteen years I turned up the Eye of the Peacock in China! It is in the possession of a local businessman and crimelord,named Lao Che.He is willing to trade the diamond for a 17th century jade funeral urn containing the ashes of Nurhachi,who conquered the Mings and made the Manchus a dynasty."
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/8/89/Indy-eye-peacock-web.jpg
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/4/40/032.jpg
Also he was debating on weather or not to send a note to Remy that said,"I'm not even sure if I should send you this note,and perhaps I won't...maybe you'd rather not know any of this.I have good news and bad news.I found the Peacock's Eye! In China,if you can believe it.And then it flew out of my grasp again.But I have a good lead on where to look next..."

It is, and Short Round found it again years later.Lonsome_Drifter is referring to a letter from Short Round that reads as follows:

September 15,1957

Dear Dr. Jones,
You won't believe it! I am close to finding the Peacock's Eye! You know after all this time I keep looking and I keep looking,and it is in Hawaii! It's on an island they call Niihau,where it's fallen into hands of natives.Yeah,yeah,no time for love,right Dr. Jones?

Your friend,
Short Round

I hope all the information I put here was a great help!:up:

[Peru1936]

In any regard, the Peacock's Eye would've been a good/better artifact for the last film.

[Stoo]

The new, junior novelzation of "Doom" confirms that the 2 diamonds are 1 and the same but the idea is an afterthought. If they were originally intended to be the same, the prop in Young Indy should have reflected that fact. Granted the gem which the musuem curator shows Indy & Remy is only a small replica but it has a different shape/facets than in ToD. Also, the Eye is supposed to be 120 carats while the one in "Doom" is at least DOUBLE that size!

The story I want to know more about is the British officer in India who stole it back in c.1818!:up:
It is, and Short Round found it again years later.Shortie tracked it down but we don't know if he actually ever got his hands on it.;)
In any regard, the Peacock's Eye would've been a good/better artifact for the last film.Really? The Eye of the Peacock is just a big diamond without any supernatural qualities (that we know of). I wonder what mystical properties it could have held...

[emtiem]

I don't like this sort of revisionism. It just makes the world smaller and smacks of fannishness.