Five things we ALL agree on?

[Abe Vayoda]

Curious to know if there is anything ALL of the Raveners can agree on. Let’s see if we can find something we all believe and find true. Can even be in a joking manner. If you don’t agree with one, state it, I want to know.

1. At some point, we will all die.
2. Friendship is more important than politics
3.
4.
5.

And I’m spent… :p

[ClintonHammond]

1 (Only until we develop viable nano-technology)

2) There are a LOT of things more important than politics....

3) Food beats starving

[Abe Vayoda]

Swimming is better than drowning.

[Indy Parise]

Flying is better than falling

I think that's five.

[Abe Vayoda]

The idea wasn't that we really stop at five... just to discuss things that we feel we can all agree with, and maybe see if others have a different viewpoint (like Clinton and his nano-chips).

[Johan]

I already have a problem with number 1...although I don't have a problem with dying; it's very possible with the return of the Lord, some may not have to pass through death.

you could change number 1 to " We are all going to die (with the exception of those believing in the second coming)

[Abe Vayoda]

Didn't anticipate that (but I should have), but thank you. I guess it kind've shows that nothing is concrete.

By the way, before this gets out of hand, I'd rather this thread not get into a religious debate. This isn't about what's fact or belief, but about what we can agree or disagree with.


Oh, and i can't change anything, the edit function is disabled on that post.

[Johan]

I don't expect this one to become a religious debate. No reason to. We can't argue the validity of future events to easily.

[Abe Vayoda]

I know, but some people like to argue. Which is fine till we resort to name calling.

Anyway another one:
**** stinks.

[qwerty]

For biger trips traveling by car always beats walking.
In New York the fastest way of traveling is via bicycle.
(I watched Top Gear all day)

Earth is not flat. (1000 years ago this sentence would kill you)

[Pale Horse]

heh, the earth is not round, either. :p

[qwerty]

heh, the earth is not round, either. :p
That's why I avoided saying Earth is round. It is not. It is flatened on the poles.

[Gustav]

I actually like falling more than flying.

[Jay R. Zay]

I actually like falling more than flying.

that's it. you're no longer welcome in our community.

[ClintonHammond]

"you could change number 1 to " We are all going to die (with the exception of those believing in the second coming)"

No... cause they're gonna die too... whether they believe it or not....

That's a fact.

[Johan]

"you could change number 1 to " We are all going to die (with the exception of those believing in the second coming)"

No... cause they're gonna die too... whether they believe it or not....

That's a fact.

Shove your "facts", the fact is: You have no facts. And you will see it along with everyone else someday.

[ClintonHammond]

The fact is, everything in our universe dies... All things pass... It is the nature of our very existance.... Got anything else to show but wild speculation and religious zeal, I'd be happy to see it....

I'll happily stand beside you "IndyJohan", when you get to "The End" so you can see the "I Told You So" look on my face.... :whip:

[Jay R. Zay]

"you could change number 1 to " We are all going to die (with the exception of those believing in the second coming)"

No... cause they're gonna die too... whether they believe it or not....

That's a fact.

i think we could agree on this ;) and by the way "shove your facts" is not the way you were trying to re-establish a friendly community, is it, Johan?

[Finn]

You have no facts. You do?

i think we could agree on this ;) and by the way "shove your facts" is not the way you were trying to re-establish a friendly community, is it, Johan? I said something about a mirror...

<small>And just so we wouldn't sway from original topic... never say "I love you" to an Irishman.</small>

[IndyBuff]

Indiana Jones is awesome.

Surely we can all agree on that.:gun:

[Johan]

i think we could agree on this ;) and by the way "shove your facts" is not the way you were trying to re-establish a friendly community, is it, Johan?


No.
Becuase this was a clear example of what I was saying in my thread and I'm not having fun anymore. You can't even have a discussion with such comments read in this thread. I didn't write my "second coming" comment in this thread to get shut down or even have a discussion. I was simply responding to the topic of the thread. I find it a waste of time to discuss scripture and my beliefs in the end times (and beyond) with people that don't know scripture or have no relationship with Christ...because they are blind, and hardened thier hearts and opinions. I could get discussions like this at several other forums.
All I wanted to do is write what "we can all agree on" as the discussion of topic...and then people go and turn it into flat out "You're and idiot because you're beliefs are not valid" idealism.

[Violet Indy]

One thing you can all agree on...

You all missed me! : P

[Gustav]

Huh? You went somewhere?

[IndyBuff]

One thing you can all agree on...

You all missed me! : P


We can also agree on something else: we all wish we were at Disneyland.:up:

[Jay R. Zay]

Huh? You went somewhere?

she was in australia. this means being far away from anywhere all the time. ;)

[Tessa]

Wasn't that part of marriage vows...to have and to hold, in sickness and in health, til death do us part and oh yeah what five things do we agree on?

I personally think everyone can not agree on five things (worth a try but very rare). It's kind of like being married...you can't agree on everything but we do agree:

1. Never go to bed angry
2. Have reasonable discussions and compromises
3. each of us have different likes and dislikes
4. We both like Harrison Ford as an actor(I favor Indy, him Han Solo..go figure)
5. death does happen but until then have fun, be merry, and life your life to the fulliest.

I think most of us can agree to some of these but not all.

My two cents.

[Indy Parise]

Some may say the glass is half empty, some half full, but the Irish will forever say "Are you going to drink that?"

can we all agree on this?

[Gustav]

I concur, Parise.

Finn, why don't you ever say "I love you" to an Irishman?

And Jay, I want to fight you.

[Finn]

Finn, why don't you ever say "I love you" to an Irishman? Do that. Then you know.

[Chris Jones]

We are all tired of waiting so long for Indy to come out, lol.

[qwerty]

never say "I love you" to an Irishman.
Does this work for women too?

[Pale Horse]

I find it a waste of time to discuss scripture and my beliefs in the end times (and beyond) with people that don't know scripture or have no relationship with Christ...because they are blind, and hardened thier hearts and opinions.

See Matt 5:43. You are the salt of the world. When others see you they should see a reflection of what you believe, not contempt. It detracts from the message.

That said, hang in there.

[ClintonHammond]

"people that don't know scripture or have no relationship with Christ..."
I've read your little book... and I dismiss it....

It's also impossible to have a 'relationship' with someone or something that never existed, unless one is (at least self) delusional....

"I'm not having fun anymore"
That's no ones fault but yours...

[Canyon]

Indiana Jones is awesome.

Surely we can all agree on that.:gun:

We are all tired of waiting so long for Indy to come out, lol.


Well, I think most of us can agree on both of these, at least!

:gun: :whip: :up: :hat:

[ClintonHammond]

I'm not tired of waiting for Indy 4....

I tire of DREADING that it's ever actually going to happen

[VP]

The Raven is.

[fortuneandglory]

I'm not tired of waiting for Indy 4....

I tire of DREADING that it's ever actually going to happen

The thread says AGREE.

[Jay R. Zay]

The Raven is.

or at least it seems to be...

[Aaron H]

What about: Taxes?

[Johan]

"people that don't know scripture or have no relationship with Christ..."
I've read your little book... and I dismiss it....

It's also impossible to have a 'relationship' with someone or something that never existed, unless one is (at least self) delusional....

"I'm not having fun anymore"
That's no ones fault but yours...

You may have read it but you don't KNOW it. You can't understand it without having a revelation of what's in it...and for that you need a relationship.
Call me delusional, because I can't dismiss they MANY way's he's revealed himself...I've said it many times in these threads before.

See Matt 5:43. You are the salt of the world. When others see you they should see a reflection of what you believe, not contempt. It detracts from the message.
That said, hang in there
I'm not here to preach a message...it's just that every time I form my opionion when asked for, it get's slammed because they don't share that opinion. Again, I never signed up a few years ago for these message boards to defend my faith and beliefs; or talk to people that have thier head in a whole and won't acknowledge any matters of faith and beliefs.
How many people have these boards lost in the past year because of the dull content...the same things being said in the same arguments.
When I say my opinion, Jay, CH and people that don't share the same views: I ALREADY KNOW YOUR VIEWS YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THE SAME "FACTS"ext... or SLAMMING MY BELIEFS...blah blah...I don't believe in the supernatural. I GET IT!

[fortuneandglory]

It seems to me that the preachers are those who seem to monitor these threads so they can quash beliefs and/or religions and/or opinions that disagree with their own. I personally am tired of seeing pseudo-thoughtful ellipsis dots. But hey... darn it!!

In any case, everyone here knows what the others belief system is on some level. Maybe not the whole shabang (yes, that's a scientific term), but we have the general idea. However, I see much more slamming coming from a side that seems to have the need to validate itself. Sure, I feel the need to validate myself. I've dealt out my share of inflammatory comments as well. That's a technical term too.

In any case, lets not turn this into another belief/religion slamfest... we're supposed to talk about agreeing.

Howabout this? Gas prices suck.

[Johan]

Howabout this? Gas prices suck.

Actually they are the lowest they have been in months.;)

[Gustav]

Yeah, gas prices are awesome.


Finn, why don't you ever say "I love you" to an Irishman?
Do that. Then you know.

Well, I won't be saying that to any Irishmen but I almost said it to an Irishwoman when I was in Ireland. Once upon a time, I went in a Woollen Mills across from Bunratty Castle and saw maybe the first or second most beautiful girl I have ever seen anywhere, including on TV. She was what you call 'black irish', straight black hair in a ponytail, light blue eyes and of course being Irish she had pale skin. I have a thing for ponytails, don't know why. Anyways, there was a cop standing about five feet away giving me a serious evil eye and I started wondering if there was some law about bothering people at work in Ireland. Sounds stupid now, but that cop was very menacing standing so close. I ended up just talking about watches with her.

And they lived happily ever after.


Here's something we can agree on. Bacon is damn delicious.

[Indy Parise]

Yeah, gas prices are awesome.
Here's something we can agree on. Bacon is damn delicious.
HERE HERE, Can I get an AMEN!

As for the cop, you shoulda told him that you'd buy him a beer if he went away. Most Irishmen (as I am) love their beer and whiskey:D . As a side not, I went to an Irish Festival this Saturday.

[fortuneandglory]

Actually they are the lowest they have been in months.;)

You're quite right. Just me being unhappy, I guess.

[Violet Indy]

Huh? You went somewhere?

I'm in Los Angeles. I just went on the Indy ride an hour ago. I went on it twice. I haven't been online much coz of travelling. I'm going to Hollywood tomorrow. :up:

[ClintonHammond]

"When I say my opinion, Jay, CH and people that don't share the same views: I ALREADY KNOW YOUR VIEWS YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THE SAME "FACTS"ext... or SLAMMING MY BELIEFS...blah blah...I don't believe in the supernatural. I GET IT!"

Right back atcha kiddo.... Here's the deal.... I'll shut the FK up about my atheism, when you shut the FK up about your religion o.k.???

Deal?

Cause as sick as you are of me (And others) repeating the same stuff over and over and over, we're sick of you repeating the same stuff over and over and over....

We already know your views.... You buy into the myth of the Invisible Old Guy In The Sky.... We get it!!

So that's my suggestion.... we'll stuff it, when YOU stuff it.....

[Jay R. Zay]

this seems to be the most sensible conclusion we could get to. i don't recall forcing my views about something upon anybody who didn't take part in a particular discussion about that subject. :rolleyes:

[Finn]

I don't want to sound hostile towards anyone, but most of the discussions that cause controversy take place in the archaeology board, and last time I checked, archaeology is <i>science</i>.

Like any science, it's search for facts, not truth. I think we all can agree to that. When the discussion goes into the great unknown, it's really all the same who thinks what. But when dealing with concrete, earthly things, let's all try to stay on the same page... and that means scientific explanations to things that seem to exist, no circle explanations, biased comments or random websites that say this or that.

If you want to find the truth, Prof Tyree's... err, carry on.

[Moedred]

Jay, I want to fight you.
Agreed. ;)

[fortuneandglory]

I don't want to sound hostile towards anyone, but most of the discussions that cause controversy take place in the archaeology board, and last time I checked, archaeology is <i>science</i>.

Like any science, it's search for facts, not truth. I think we all can agree to that. When the discussion goes into the great unknown, it's really all the same who thinks what. But when dealing with concrete, earthly things, let's all try to stay on the same page... and that means scientific explanations to things that seem to exist, no circle explanations, biased comments or random websites that say this or that.

If you want to find the truth, Prof Tyree's... err, carry on.

The two are not mutally exclusive. I've given some pretty good sources before, and they've been dismissed as "spurious" (that's a fancy word for "You're Lying") because they were researched by Christians.

It seems to me that most every comment made is somehow biased. Scientific "fact" is interpreted through the beliefs, or non-beliefs, or life perspective, or whatever you want to call it. You can't help but interpret science somehow. Whether it is evidence against the existence of God, or evidence of Jesus Christ's mere existence, it will be interpreted through the filter of a persons perspective.

I can see what you're saying when we get total dismissal of so-called facts. However, Science is never, and will never be fact by definition. Theory is the best we can get (and it's pretty damn good, I'll admit). It only gets called a law later on because it holds up for a REALLY long time. There theories emerging even now going up against the "laws" of physics. Line theory and some parts of Quantum Physics are a testament to that.

Science is not the search for facts, nor truth. It's a futile search for a complete understanding of the world, which I believe we'll never really reach. We'll try, and we damn well better try. But we'll never figure out everything. We can only get what we think is damn close. I as a Christian don't have all the answers. Hell, I don't even know exactly what's gonna happen when I die. I'm excited to find out though. I don't wanna die, but when the time comes, I'll be ready, and adventure will surely follow.:hat:

[Johan]

We already know your views.... You buy into the myth of the Invisible Old Guy In The Sky.... We get it!!

So that's my suggestion.... we'll stuff it, when YOU stuff it.....

Sounds good to me. Instead of us calling each other idiots for our views/beliefs I'll try to avoid saying the same things when the same threads come up.
However we both know that there will be those threads that require yours and my comments. So maybe we could try just stating opinions instead of telling the other person he/she is wrong...I think this is where it just get's ridiculous. I don't mind hearing you're opinions as long as you keep them YOUR opinions...I know I could make a better effort to do the same.
In the mean time, sign up for fantasy hockey...we're still both Canadian right?

[Gustav]

I'm in Los Angeles. I just went on the Indy ride an hour ago. I went on it twice. I haven't been online much coz of travelling. I'm going to Hollywood tomorrow. :up:

I knew that. I was joking that I didn't because you said everybody missed you and I thought it would be funny to pretend I didn't notice your absence. Hilarious ain't it?

Parise- You're not kidding. You're never too far from a pint of Guinness in Ireland and I might have tried bribing the officer with a beer...if he hadn't been holding one in his hand.

Actually it was really all my fault, I'm just so handsome that I intimidated the girl and she didn't know what to say to me.
I was really more intimidated by the girl than the cop to tell the truth.

Prices suck. Can we agree on this?

[Indy Parise]

Actually it was really all my fault, I'm just so handsome that I intimidated the girl and she didn't know what to say to me.
I was really more intimidated by the girl than the cop to tell the truth.


This reminded me of something I want to do. I want to become a hitman just so someone can say "Its a wondered you've survived so long." just so I can answer "Yeah, and I can only owe it to my good looks.":D No other reason than that, then I'd probably quit, my goal being completed.:gun:

[Gustav]

This reminded me of something I want to do. I want to become a hitman just so someone can say "Its a wondered you've survived so long." just so I can answer "Yeah, and I can only owe it to my good looks.":D No other reason than that, then I'd probably quit, my goal being completed.:gun:

If ever there was a reason to kill people, I'd say that's it.

By the way, that sounds familiar. Is it from a movie?

I got the idea for this form of self-flattery partly from Han Solo but mostly from Ash of the Evil Dead series. He does a lot of it in A Fistfull of Boomstick too. It's a videogame. The only thing funnier is when he insults people. "BOOM! No more Mr. Nastyface." Well, trust me, it's funnier in the game.

[ClintonHammond]

"sign up for fantasy hockey...we're still both Canadian right?"
I HATE hockey....

"instead of telling the other person he/she is wrong..."
Unless said person is actually wrong.... Like a person would be if they thought Atlantis was ever a real place... Or if someone thought that this planet was ever totally covered in water...

"I've given some pretty good sources before"
Such as???

"and they've been dismissed as "spurious" because they were researched by Christians"
No they weren't... they were dismissed because they were lousy science...

[Johan]

"sign up for fantasy hockey...we're still both Canadian right?"
I HATE hockey....

...

mmm...so you're not Canadian...

instead of telling the other person he/she is wrong..."
Unless said person is actually wrong.... Like a person would be if they thought Atlantis was ever a real place... Or if someone thought that this planet was ever totally covered in water...

wow...you're really not out to make friends are you? Pretty closed minded if you ask me. And the earth is square right?
And, hey! I'm having fun again. Now that I know you are unreasonable...I can ignore you.

[fortuneandglory]

"sign up for fantasy hockey...we're still both Canadian right?"
I HATE hockey....

"instead of telling the other person he/she is wrong..."
Unless said person is actually wrong.... Like a person would be if they thought Atlantis was ever a real place... Or if someone thought that this planet was ever totally covered in water...

"I've given some pretty good sources before"
Such as???

"and they've been dismissed as "spurious" because they were researched by Christians"
No they weren't... they were dismissed because they were lousy science...

Yeah, lousy science according to whom? Who decides what is good science, and what isn't, YOU? Don't make me laugh. If the only sources that are good agree with you, I'll place my bets on lousy science. At least then I'll get both sides of the argument, not just the parts you want me to see.

[ClintonHammond]

"lousy science according to whom?"
The scientific community.... The people who dismiss ther cranks and crackpots you keep dragging out to support your opinions... They are tin-foil-hat wearing lunatics like the same guys who try to say that we never landed on the moon in 1969.... or that flouride in the water is a tool for orbital mind control lasers.... One may as well believe Eric Von Daniken...

Both sides?
You are so self deluded you don't even hardly know what it is you're talking about in the first place, let along being able to see 'both sides'...

And well, there aren't 2 sides to facts....

O.k... there are... there's what did happen and what didn't happen.... you cannot pass off the latter as the former....

[fortuneandglory]

But there are many ways facts can be interpreted, according, like I have said, to a belief, or non-belief system. You simply decide to ignore everything that contradicts your doctrine of indecision. The scientific community would not dismiss information simply because it's interpreted in a Christian perspective. You think you've proven something every time you speak, but at some point or another, you need to realize that my sources are scientists, just like yours. They just believe in something you don't.

I seem to remember you asserting that Jesus Christ never existed as a man... a well documented and easy to prove figure in history. Who's self deluded now? The point is, you give equally wild assertions based on scientific evidence. Like I've said, there are no facts in science, just interpretations of what we see. You see something different than I do, so don't insult me because I have a see things through a different lens than you.

[Issard]

I seem to remember you asserting that Jesus Christ never existed as a man... a well documented and easy to prove figure in history.

I'm curious how exactly that can be proven. Lots of things are well documented, that doesn't make them real.

[fortuneandglory]

Oh lord, it's another Clint... Welcome to the Raven.

[Finn]

Re-Welcome.

[Issard]

That's not an answer. :rolleyes:

There are mounds of books on Leprachauns, that doesn't mean there have ever actually been any. :whip:

[Jay R. Zay]

Like I've said, there are no facts in science, just interpretations of what we see.

excuse my impatience, but how much do you actually know of "science" that allows you to make such a ridiculous statement?

[fortuneandglory]

It's because nothing in science tries to prove anything. If you were in science, you know you can't say "proof". It's just what we think explains something. Evidence can and always is interpreted. That's how science advances. Interpretations can be wrong too. In any case, this is yet another thread derailed because people can't stop trying to prove their points, myself included.


One thing we can ALL agree on, the sky has clouds in it sometimes.

[ClintonHammond]

Once again F.A.G., you're completely wrong.... Science uses the term 'proof' all the time....

"But there are many ways facts can be interpreted"
Sure there are, but not all interpretations are equal or valid.... Someone who interprets Lord Of The Rings to be WW2 allegory MIGHT have a bunch of evidence to support their claim, but the FACT is even JRR Tolkien said it was not.... (Just by way of example)

"Jesus Christ never existed as a man... a well documented and easy to prove figure in history."
I suggest you try reading something other than mythology, kiddo.... yet again, you're wrong.

plain and simple.

I suggest you try more schooling.... Say, at the university level....

[Jay R. Zay]

It's because nothing in science tries to prove anything. If you were in science, you know you can't say "proof".

i may be more "in science" than you are, pal, and the last step in everything i have to do is "proof". yes, it's called "science".

and what is a "sky" anyway... just to give you an example of "facts".

[fortuneandglory]

I've had this argument with you guys before, and frankly, I'm having deja vu. Ive stated what I believe and this whole thing is gonna end up just like the other arguments we have. I'm going to say something, and you're going to insult me some more. Wow. That's interesting. Go read one of the other threads in Archaeology if you wanna see the end of this argument, there are quite a few that end up the same way.

BACK TO THE DAMN TOPIC.

So, we can all agree that Vaccum's suck.

[roundshort]

winning is better than losing

[Gustav]

Roundshort, haven't seen ya in a while.

Do you agree that bacon is too delicious to live?

[roundshort]

Roundshort, haven't seen ya in a while.

Do you agree that bacon is too delicious to live?

Yes, that is my number 2 thought

BACON IS GOOD! All must kneel to the awesome power of Bacon!

Man I have just been working. When I go on the road I get too busy to Raven, so I have to miss out on the fun I will be on the oad for the next few weeks off and on so I will be here more in spirit than in reality!

[fortuneandglory]

By the way roundshort, I'm a homophobe because I don't like being called F.A.G.? Its insulting to call a homosexual a fag. Do I not have the same privledge as a heterosexual? I don't have anything against homosexuals at all.

Bacon Rocks.

[qwerty]

By the way roundshort, I'm a homophobe because I don't like being called F.A.G.? Its insulting to call a homosexual a fag. Do I not have the same privledge as a heterosexual? I don't have anything against homosexuals at all.
You are confusing me. Are you gay or am I misunderstanding you?

[fortuneandglory]

lol, no I'm not. I think that if Homosexuals have the right to be insulted by being called a Fag, I, as a Heterosexual, do to. Clint didn't mean to anyway, so it's moot.

Anyways, peanut butter is good.

[roundshort]

By the way roundshort, I'm a homophobe because I don't like being called F.A.G.? Its insulting to call a homosexual a fag. Do I not have the same privledge as a heterosexual? I don't have anything against homosexuals at all.

Bacon Rocks.

Fort, I was talking about clinton being closed minded not you! It is a joke between Temp and I, whenever either of us posts anything that even looks like a racial slur or anything he writes this post about how said we are so closed minded, it always ticks when he does the same thing, fort, u have the right to be called anything u like!

Rock on man!


Bacon is king of all food groups!

[Jay R. Zay]

I've had this argument with you guys before, and frankly, I'm having deja vu.

obviously having déjà vus isn't the same as learning. :) if you weren't displaying your views in such a strong way, you might get less strong replies.

[ClintonHammond]

"if you weren't displaying your views in such a strong way"
Let's not encourage recreancy though....

If you're going to have a 'view' or believe in an isim, or ology, then have the stones to REALLY OWN IT! Shout it from the roof-top, for all the world to hear.

BUT...

If you are going to do that, you have to accept that others who disagree with you are going to be JUST as vocal, just as vehement. And you are not allowed to fault them for it.

Fight fire with fire, and zealots with zeal

[roundshort]

I had Deja Vu once, it was delicious.

FAG I don't think anyone here has an issue with Homo's. If they did, they would have to answer to Jay. He eats Homphobes for breakfast.

did you have it with red or white wine?

[Jay R. Zay]

"if you weren't displaying your views in such a strong way"
Let's not encourage recreancy though....

not at all. i just encourage a realistic self-assessment. if he likes to deal without taking, he might want to buy himself a dog. i don't think i'm willing to be his dog. i don't think it takes much courage to say your opinion when you aren't even prepared for somebody contradicting you.

[ClintonHammond]

"if he likes to deal without taking, he might want to buy himself a dog"
I'd feel sorry for the poor dog.....

[roundshort]

Actually with a little orange HI-C.

I hear that is a popular drink in philly that hennesy and coke . .

[Pale Horse]

I'm not here to preach a message....... I never signed up a few years ago for these message boards to defend my faith and beliefs; or talk to people that have thier head in a whole and won't acknowledge any matters of faith and beliefs.

again not a critique, but see Matt 10:12-14.

[ClintonHammond]

Better to have a whole head than part of a head....

[Indy Parise]

Better to have a whole head than part of a head....
Especialy if the missing piece comes courtesy of an AK-47 or Armalite:gun:

Being behind a windsheild is better than being thrown through one.

[Finn]

Gilles is sexy! (http://raven.theraider.net/showthread.php?t=9843)