The Plot…
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Time travel? Nazi death-rays? Any and all crack-pot theories welcome…
Alex Yeo
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Personally, I’m betting the plot will be based around an ex Nazi scientist (brought over to the U.S. via Operation Paperclip to work on the Apollo 11 mission) who is seeking an ancient artefact which enables time travel. His motivation will be to alter the course of WWII in some form, and in the later part of the film, Indy will have to follow him back through time to stop this.
Going by what we’ve seen so far, I’m leaning towards the artefact being created by Archimedes, in Ancient Greece, but also fancy it will be linked to Egypt in some way as well.
The time travel element will be limited to within the lifespan and physical constraints of a persons own body. This will enable Indy to jump back to a younger version of himself, and give the audience another chance to see the same Indiana Jones they fell in love with back in the original movies. It also gets around the obvious problem of having a 79-year-old as the main character in an action adventure movie.
Just my two cents, but there you go…
Going by what we’ve seen so far, I’m leaning towards the artefact being created by Archimedes, in Ancient Greece, but also fancy it will be linked to Egypt in some way as well.
The time travel element will be limited to within the lifespan and physical constraints of a persons own body. This will enable Indy to jump back to a younger version of himself, and give the audience another chance to see the same Indiana Jones they fell in love with back in the original movies. It also gets around the obvious problem of having a 79-year-old as the main character in an action adventure movie.
Just my two cents, but there you go…
die glocke ss
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I think you're totally right; I'm convinced that the plot is going in that direction too. We're not going to see Indy back and forth in time or going Bill and Ted, instead the time travel part will be the movie's grand finale, with the bad guys being aged and Indy de-aged, or something in that course. I also believe the device built by the Nazis will be Die Glocke, powered by some ancient Greek holly artifact that will be the McGuffin;
Die Glocke (The Bell in German), codenamed "Project Chronos", was a teleportation device constructed by Nazi Germany as a Wunderwaffe during World War II, based on the designs of the Wyrresters.
I also think Atlantis is in it one way or another. Time will tell.
Die Glocke (The Bell in German), codenamed "Project Chronos", was a teleportation device constructed by Nazi Germany as a Wunderwaffe during World War II, based on the designs of the Wyrresters.
I also think Atlantis is in it one way or another. Time will tell.
I find the Archimedes heat ray (extrapolated by Nazi scientists into Sonnengewehr) McGuffin the more plausible theory, especially since the idea of an orbital weapon ties in nicely with the space age backdrop, but there definitely seems to be a consensus forming around the basic premise of Mads as a former Nazi looking to use a mythic Greek artifact as a weapon.
Alex Yeo
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I mentioned in the other group that I noticed little sun-like motifs on the Greek armour someone leaked picture of the other day. Could be a link to that idea too (!?)
die glocke ss
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ThrowMeTheWhip
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Well if VampireAnon read some fake news, it must be true!
E.Albert.Bansom
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With all of the misinformation planted by trolls (Die Glocke) and nonsense posited by Doomcock (Time Travel), it’s a shame we don’t have reliable sources that aren’t a step below Mike Zeroh and an entire flight of stairs below Supershadow. I’m happy with what is trickling in and legit, and so far I’m happy. I’m so glad I found these boards, it’s been really fun seeing all of the speculation lately.
die glocke ss
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It's not my intention to troll anybody my friend. I've been following the developments and that leads me to believe what the plot course the movie will take. It's solely my deductions. This is a board where we can post what we believe the movie will be based on, you have to be open to listen to other parties' ideas. If you only want people to think and read what you want, then this is not a boar for you.
Alex Yeo
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While there’s obviously a whole heap of made up fan theories flying around, the time travel angle has just slightly more weight to it for me.
If you dig back through old news reports online, there are a few things that sway me;
Way, way back, George Lucas described knowing what he wanted the film to be about, but how he struggled to find the ancient artefact to base it around. This, to me, suggests his original concept was based around a non historic subject - something more thematic.
Later, there was an article online which claimed the film would be based around the fountain of youth, and that in the later part of it, Indiana Jones would be de-aged digitally.
Then Spielberg dropped out the picture, and there was a quote from the writer saying they couldn’t get the key players to all commit. Spielberg said long ago that he didn’t want to digitally de-age the character.
On top of this, there are several other people online, claiming to have ‘leaked’ information - all of which should obviously be taken with a huge grain of salt - but which all contain some form of time travel related angle to the story. While they could all be trapped in the same echo chamber, there is also the chance that it’s a case of ‘no smoke without fire’.
Then finally, we have the shoot itself. Clear evidence of de-aging technology being used, historical footage being shot, and yet more ‘leaks’ siting time travel.
The thing that’s really pushing it over the edge for me though is the Archimedes angle. His work in astronomy, and how it ties in with the moon landing backdrop. The fact that he studied and lived in Egypt, and the shoot is reported off to Morocco in a few weeks (a place often used as a double for Egypt). And most of all, the suggestion that they are filming the Seige of Syracuse, after which the Romans are recorded as stealing two devices that have resemblance to the Antikythera device - which I see as having a high chance of being that ancient artefact which George Lucas was struggling so hard to find, right back when they were developing the idea originally.
Phew! What a novel
If you dig back through old news reports online, there are a few things that sway me;
Way, way back, George Lucas described knowing what he wanted the film to be about, but how he struggled to find the ancient artefact to base it around. This, to me, suggests his original concept was based around a non historic subject - something more thematic.
Later, there was an article online which claimed the film would be based around the fountain of youth, and that in the later part of it, Indiana Jones would be de-aged digitally.
Then Spielberg dropped out the picture, and there was a quote from the writer saying they couldn’t get the key players to all commit. Spielberg said long ago that he didn’t want to digitally de-age the character.
On top of this, there are several other people online, claiming to have ‘leaked’ information - all of which should obviously be taken with a huge grain of salt - but which all contain some form of time travel related angle to the story. While they could all be trapped in the same echo chamber, there is also the chance that it’s a case of ‘no smoke without fire’.
Then finally, we have the shoot itself. Clear evidence of de-aging technology being used, historical footage being shot, and yet more ‘leaks’ siting time travel.
The thing that’s really pushing it over the edge for me though is the Archimedes angle. His work in astronomy, and how it ties in with the moon landing backdrop. The fact that he studied and lived in Egypt, and the shoot is reported off to Morocco in a few weeks (a place often used as a double for Egypt). And most of all, the suggestion that they are filming the Seige of Syracuse, after which the Romans are recorded as stealing two devices that have resemblance to the Antikythera device - which I see as having a high chance of being that ancient artefact which George Lucas was struggling so hard to find, right back when they were developing the idea originally.
Phew! What a novel
E.Albert.Bansom
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I’m sorry I believe I miss spoke in my post. I was just referring to those known trolls as being people who spread information knowingly that isn’t true. I personally think Die Glocke would make an awesome MacGuffin and I’m surprised it hasn’t been explored more more fully in the past. I love these boards and want nothing more than to soak in honest speculation and fellowship. I hope you can accept my apology.
When I mentioned Die Glocke in my original post, I was referring to the actual legend, not you, Die Glocke SS. I love your posts and I’m hoping we can have healthy and fun discourse leading up to release and beyond
Alex Yeo
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Phoebe Waller-Bridge films Indiana Jones 5 with Harrison Ford
Phoebe Waller-Bridge has finally been spied shooting scenes for the upcoming Indiana Jones 5, with co-star and leading man Harrison Ford.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Well I know I was backing #teamtimetravel, but I didn’t think they’d go full Bill & Ted’s
die glocke ss
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A reddit user's theory that aligns with recent set photos:
Henry Jones Junior
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It makes sense.
E.Albert.Bansom
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Mr. H seems like a solid dude and his sources have been good in the past with film like The Matrix and Predator 5.
Alex Yeo
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Yeah, added to which there have been no denials from Mangold or anyone else over it. He seemed pretty quick to shut down the rumours about PWB replacing Indy, but on the time travel reports, not a peep…
IlikeIke
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I for one love the idea of time travel as a plot device for Indy. It’s something fresh and exciting and allows for the chance to see classic Indy doing action scenes that wouldn’t be possible at his current age, as well as vast set pieces and locales that linear storytelling would restrict.. I’m confident with the technology we have today and the budget of Disney it will look great. With any movie, one should expect a certain level of suspension of belief, not alien to any of the Indy movies thus far. I love them all, including Crystal Skull which had amazing action set pieces like Area 51 warehouse and the campus chase. I’m sure this one will have even more.
P.S. super bummed by the delayed release though
P.S. super bummed by the delayed release though
HiddenTemple
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I think the Antikythera Device makes the most sense, as it would have ties to Atlantis which, if they do feature, I would like to be one of the main backdrops to the film. Hopefully like the ruins of Atlantis with 1,000 year old warriors being kept alive by its magic. The supposed title was Order of the Elysium which makes it sound like some fun Greek aesthetics will be explored so who knows...maybe it could work. Researching it has ties the predicting/calculating the sun and moons, however maybe in the movie it can control the sun and moon orbits because it was created by a Greek god or something. Possibly Selene the moon god or Helios the sun god
SnakeSurprise
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Banderas is clearly not Archimedes, so scratch that one off the list now.
E.Albert.Bansom
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Welcome to the boards!I for one love the idea of time travel as a plot device for Indy. It’s something fresh and exciting and allows for the chance to see classic Indy doing action scenes that wouldn’t be possible at his current age, as well as vast set pieces and locales that linear storytelling would restrict.. I’m confident with the technology we have today and the budget of Disney it will look great. With any movie, one should expect a certain level of suspension of belief, not alien to any of the Indy movies thus far. I love them all, including Crystal Skull which had amazing action set pieces like Area 51 warehouse and the campus chase. I’m sure this one will have even more.
P.S. super bummed by the delayed release though