LB Makes Stuff
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It’s mainly from that group of people who dog on the film for being “woke”. These are the people who listened to the music while watching the film, not separated from the film.
John Williams Score for Indy 5
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TheFedora
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Looks like it lost to Oppenheimer... still waiting to see if it won best instrumental composition.
EDIT:
Jon Williams just won the Grammy for Helena's Theme!
EDIT:
Jon Williams just won the Grammy for Helena's Theme!
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metalinvader
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emtiem
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From the 'Great Circle' thread:
There's a brief bit of the Venice chase in there yes, but that does not mean 'most of it is rehashed stuff' when it comes to the score. That's a few seconds of 90mins or so of music.
There's a brief bit of the Venice chase in there yes, but that does not mean 'most of it is rehashed stuff' when it comes to the score. That's a few seconds of 90mins or so of music.
michael
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one of my favorite aspects of the score, is the Prologue track.
I wonder what the story is behind that. Because it shows up in the end credits, but it also sounds so much like an overture.
a nice old fashioned overture seems a bit rare these.
So while you don't get that feeling while watching it because the movie has none, when you listen to the score, it feels like one.
I wonder what the story is behind that. Because it shows up in the end credits, but it also sounds so much like an overture.
a nice old fashioned overture seems a bit rare these.
So while you don't get that feeling while watching it because the movie has none, when you listen to the score, it feels like one.
fedoraboy
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I suppose it's a nice way to introduce all the themes at the start of the album, Skull did something similar with the Raiders March, Mutt's Theme, the Skull Theme and Spalko's Theme before it got into the business of the actual score to the film. Dial does it a bit more elegantly by putting all the key themes together in the Prologue (which is a condensed version of the credits I think) though it then seems a bit odd to have Helena's Theme straight after it, as we've just heard a significant portion of it! It also means the album can then end with the Raiders March (sort of - as it then gives us the violin version of Helena's Theme as a bit of a bonus end track - and it's lovely!)
I'm really not sure why Williams decided to NOT end the credits with the Raiders March, as has been the tradition with all the other movies. The decision to end with the understated (albeit beautiful) Archimede's Theme is an odd one.
But this score has really grown on me in a way the Skull one never did. I listen to it quite a lot.
fedoraboy
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I know what you mean, I love the Temple score when watching the film - it's perhaps the most thrilling of the series - but I tend to listen to Crusade and Raiders more in isolation. The Dial score is a bit more poignant and thoughtful, it's got great action themes but actually it's the slower, reflective moments that really stand out - Helena's Theme of course (one of the series best, perhaps one of Williams' best full stop!) but also To Morocco, Voller Returns, To Athens, Perils of the Deep, Archimedes Tomb are all wonderful (quite a bit of the music in these themes isn't actually in the movie). There's honestly not a track I skip - it's wall to wall lovely.
Dr.Jonesy
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That's one I am familiar with and love.
I did pick this score up on vinyl, too. Maybe it's time I give it its due.
fedoraboy
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Just realised this is an odd image to use for this purpose - a BTS shot where you can clearly see set shoot-off, with Phoebe waiting between takes. There are loads of lovely stills and screen grabs they could have used that would better suit the music (and the film!) Still, the marketing decisions for this film have been completely bewildering across the board!
emtiem
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I think he did the same with the last S*** W*** end title, where traditionally those films always ended with a reprise of the main theme too. I guess it's just his current preference.
Mike00spy
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Have you listened to the isolated score? Some good stuff was left off the album.
fedoraboy
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Yes, love all the stuff in NY
fedoraboy
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Me and the family visited Northumberland this weekend, we tend to go there at least once a year, it's one of our favourite holiday destinations in the UK. Anyway, we were driving past Bamburgh - we didn't get chance to stop off there this time - but as we drove past the castle I insisted we listen to Germany 1944, it was terrific hearing the music as the castle loomed toward us! If anyone knows that part of the world, the castle is just magnificent and it really dominates the skyline - and now one of my favourite and most visited places has this AMAZING Indy connection, it makes the place even more special!
Great Snakes!
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New interview was released with John Williams. They go into a bit more depth about the dial of destiny soundtrack.
Its a fun listen. Man I hope this score wins the oscar.
https://www.kusc.org/articles/at-th...FcALEwsRMDkg6mZISed9i3ZQXY0SxWJVz_qVc-G9MDJXs
Its a fun listen. Man I hope this score wins the oscar.
https://www.kusc.org/articles/at-th...FcALEwsRMDkg6mZISed9i3ZQXY0SxWJVz_qVc-G9MDJXs
fedoraboy
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Great interview thanks for sharing. Occurs to me that, with this, we’ve now probably reached the end of interviews talking specifically about this film (unless it wins the Oscar which would no doubt cause a little flurry of interest).
Dr.Jonesy
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And backlash.
Which isn't against the film - but a lot of people are eager for some fresh blood to win the Oscar for scores, and I don't blame them. Williams, to many, is over-awarded.
I personally hope he wins, because. Well. Not to be negative but - how many more scores is he likely to be nominated for before he retires or passes?
fedoraboy
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Nah, I don't think many would begrudge him, and he's won surprisingly few Oscars when chalked up against his nominations. That this is still considered possibly his last ever score might tip things in his favour, although i think the smart money is on Oppenheimer cleaning up pretty much everything.
Oppenheimer recently won the BAFTAs Original Score award too. It's sweeping through all the awards. Williams wasn't nominated there. They nominated Spider-Verse and Saltburn instead of Indy and American Fiction. Critics Choice differed with the Oscars by nominating Spider-Verse, Barbie and Society of the Snow, and not nominating Indy and American Fiction. Golden Globes differed by nominating Spider-Verse, Boy and the Heron, Zone of Interest, and not nominating Indy and American Fiction.
So, among this group, the Oscars were unanimously contradicted with their nominations of Indy and American Fiction, and their non-nomination of Spider-Verse. The only three nominees all four of these agree on are Oppenheimer, Poor Things and Killers of the Flower Moon.
So, among this group, the Oscars were unanimously contradicted with their nominations of Indy and American Fiction, and their non-nomination of Spider-Verse. The only three nominees all four of these agree on are Oppenheimer, Poor Things and Killers of the Flower Moon.
michael
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i gave up on JW ever winning again after he lost with War Horse and Tintin nominated in the same year...
even when he lost for The Book Thief --- seriously look at the competition that year..
And this is excluding his last 3 SW scores, which i think only TFA could have won.
But i will be still be watching Oscar night.....hoping....