Indiana Jones is 3 stories with 2 epilogues

FordFan

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As an aside, one kind of wonders what's the actual in-universe reason for Indy to carry Marion's picture around in wartorn Europe. Perhaps it has something to do with what happened with Elsa in LC - her betrayal made Indy wonder if he would have been better off with the one he let get away.
It’s also a picture taken in the Cairo marketplace in Raiders. So… IF it was taken there, when Indy is drinking with the monkey, thinking about how he “lost” Marion, he has a perfectly good picture of her in his pocket that whole time.

Same with Marcus’ picture in KOTCS. It’s taken in the five minutes he’s in Iskenderun before he’s captured by the Nazis.

Unless Sallah has a secret picture-taking hobby, how did Indy get these? 😂
 

michael

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As Indy told Marion in Crystal Skull yeah there were other women in his life but they all had the same problem.

They weren’t her.

i mean the name Mary didn't even trigger the thought of Marion.

So I think that line in KOTCS (which is a GREAT line btw --- so campy!) is just Indy using his charm, and Marion (for rightful reasons) absolutely loving it.

I have my issues with their relationship in Dial, but KOTCS really made it all too phony.
 

FordFan

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i mean the name Mary didn't even trigger the thought of Marion.

So I think that line in KOTCS (which is a GREAT line btw --- so campy!) is just Indy using his charm, and Marion (for rightful reasons) absolutely loving it.

I have my issues with their relationship in Dial, but KOTCS really made it all too phony.
What better way to get Indy to come save her than to go by a shorter, more generic version of her name that we’ve never heard anyone else call her before?

That movie is 50% better if Indy finds out it’s Marion who needs help and that Mutt is her son off the bat.
 

michael

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That movie is 50% better if Indy finds out it’s Marion who needs help and that Mutt is her son off the bat.


got me thinking....

"there were a lot of Mary's, kid."

Was Indy filling a void in his life by only dating Marys?

It's kinda sad (not in a pathetic way) --- that his relationship with her always could have worked, whether in Skull, Dial, if Indy just had the guts to talk to her.

I don't think Marion is pathetic. She hit the jackpot in men. I guess you would always want him back.
 

Lao_Che

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I think Marion's "[Colin Williams] was a good man, but he wasn’t your father" is telling. It's not just a line about parentage.
 

FordFan

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I figured it just got taken out for a trailer, so the image wasn’t as busy in promotional materials. But it could easily have been that as well.
 

Finn

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Wasn't there speculation at some point that the picture had been added in post production?
I think I remember seeing an early version of that clip without the picture?
Yes, the first teaser released in December 2022 featured the same shot (at 0:59 mark) but without the picture. So either the picture was added later or, alternately, edited away from the teaser.
 

Lance Quazar

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Honestly, I'd argue the film feels pretty complete then tacks on a cliffhanger, so it feels closer to the ending of Back to the Future I than The Empire Strikes Back.

Back to the Future isn't remotely a cliffhanger. Plenty of movies end with the cheeky promise of more adventures to come for their characters even when there are no actual plans to see them realized. In BTTF's case, there were no plans for sequels when it was made (No "To be continued" in the credits) and the ending was just that, just a goofy joke.
I know technically the whole movie was about finding Luke but that's all kept in the background.
Because TFA has horrible structure. The movie literally begins with the quest to find Luke Skywalker, which then recedes completely into the background and has literally no impact whatsoever on anything else that happens.

The ending is a complete cliffhanger since it finally picks back up that story thread, only to leave it wholly unresolved.
 

fedoraboy

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Wasn't there speculation at some point that the picture had been added in post production?
I think I remember seeing an early version of that clip without the picture?
Yes, I think there’s a decent chance it was added to just help tie the prologue in a bit better. We only see the pic once and it’s never picked up or referenced. It does feel like a possible late addition to the scene IMO - I don’t mind it really, though as I said earlier it does feel a bit out of character for Indy to be carrying it.
 

Z dweller

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Yes, the first teaser released in December 2022 featured the same shot (at 0:59 mark) but without the picture. So either the picture was added later or, alternately, edited away from the teaser.
I figured it just got taken out for a trailer, so the image wasn’t as busy in promotional materials. But it could easily have been that as well.
Yes, I think there’s a decent chance it was added to just help tie the prologue in a bit better. We only see the pic once and it’s never picked up or referenced. It does feel like a possible late addition to the scene IMO - I don’t mind it really, though as I said earlier it does feel a bit out of character for Indy to be carrying it.
Thank you guys, that's what I thought.

So, just like everyone has their own favorite cut of the original Blade Runner, in my head canon I'll stick with a pictureless version of the 1944 prologue*.


*and discard the rest of DoD and the whole of KotCS, they just never happened.
 

Ender

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Back to the Future isn't remotely a cliffhanger. Plenty of movies end with the cheeky promise of more adventures to come for their characters even when there are no actual plans to see them realized.
I know Back to the Future I's ending isn't meant as a cliffhanger, I'm just considering it within the bigger picture where its sequel actually does follow up on it. Honestly, the sequel is kinda worse for it.
 

Lance Quazar

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I know Back to the Future I's ending isn't meant as a cliffhanger, I'm just considering it within the bigger picture where its sequel actually does follow up on it. Honestly, the sequel is kinda worse for it.
Yeah. BTTF2 is not a particularly good movie and it doesn't remotely live up to the promise of the (fake) cliffhanger. I thought a movie with Marty (and Jennifer!) hanging out with their future kids could have been great. Instead, the Bobs wanted to dispense with the future business (and Jennifer herself) as quickly as possible to get to the alt 1985 and the return to 1955. Oh, well.
 

Ender

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The Incredibles 2, as terrible as it is, shows the correct way to follow up a fake cliffhanger. While it does pretty egregiously retcon the Underminer's stated motivation, it otherwise wisely treats it as an opening action scene rather than trying to reverse engineer a plot around a scene that wasn't made for one while also causing the movie to start abruptly as a consequence, something that BttF2 does.
 

fedoraboy

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Yeah. BTTF2 is not a particularly good movie and it doesn't remotely live up to the promise of the (fake) cliffhanger. I thought a movie with Marty (and Jennifer!) hanging out with their future kids could have been great. Instead, the Bobs wanted to dispense with the future business (and Jennifer herself) as quickly as possible to get to the alt 1985 and the return to 1955. Oh, well.
Gotta disagree - love BTTF part 2. i know it's flawed, but I love all the revisiting the first movie from a different perspective stuff ,and the eerie premonition as they show us all our futures with Biff growing into a Trump-esque monster. I find it the most enjoyable of the three!
 

Ender

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I'll be honest, I haven't seen the BttF movies in over 10 years (besides the first one once). I'm really due for a rewatch.
 

Face_Melt

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The Incredibles 2, as terrible as it is, shows the correct way to follow up a fake cliffhanger. While it does pretty egregiously retcon the Underminer's stated motivation, it otherwise wisely treats it as an opening action scene rather than trying to reverse engineer a plot around a scene that wasn't made for one while also causing the movie to start abruptly as a consequence, something that BttF2 does.

As terrible as it is? The movie was highly acclaimed…
 
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