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jsarino 04-30-2014 12:06 PM

What Indy jacket do you own?
 
Djd1 indirectly inspired me to post about Indy jackets, and that I don't see a thread on jackets in a search. :) I don't have an Indy jacket myself, but I'm looking around and want to hear about what kind you have, and if you like it (or even don't like it)! Thanks in advance. :up:

Djd1 04-30-2014 12:24 PM

We really are spoilt for choice these days...

The current Todds offering looks very good value and accurate. It does seem to depend upon which batch of leather he has at the time though.

The Kelso looks great but is at the top of the price bracket. There's also US Wings of course. Well made as a real world jacket.

Wested are good value for money too although more so for those on my side of the pond.

Also Magnoli. I used to have one. Nicely made but the pattern is somewhat out dated now since the advent of Tony Nowaks Raiders copy which spawned the Kelso, Wested Hero and Steele and Jones ... Lots of choice!

jsarino 04-30-2014 01:18 PM

I suppose from the "reasonable" standpoint, I do like the Wested and Todd offerings. I would have to wait a bit if I ordered the Wested version (overseas shipping and such). Djd1, did you get your Wested with the satin sleeves, or had the inner lining all cotton? Anyways, my offer to buy your Wested is still on the table, though I wonder how it'll fit me...my jacket size may be different from yours. :p

Djd1 04-30-2014 01:23 PM

I got the cotton sleeves. I always do if there's an option. Satin sleeves are always the first thing to go in my experience.

jsarino 04-30-2014 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Djd1
I got the cotton sleeves. I always do if there's an option. Satin sleeves are always the first thing to go in my experience.


Good to know...thanks for the tip!

Sakis 05-01-2014 04:53 AM

When it comes to hats, jackets, whips etc. my approach is: go to the original supplier, so I'm the proud owner of a 15-year old Last Crusade lamp skin Wested :hat:

jsarino 05-01-2014 12:35 PM

@Sakis--any pics of your Wested today? :) After reading the history of the Indy jacket through the films, it's almost as colorful on its origins as the fedora.

I'm just about settled to get the Wested shrunken lambskin...thanks for all the input! :hat: I need to measure myself for a good fit, and will order this in the next month or so. Since summer is coming up around here, it'll be odd to get this while it's 90 degrees Fahrenheit outside. :p

Djd1 05-01-2014 01:22 PM

The wested Hero pattern is definitely their most screen accurate for Raiders. Keep in mind though that the fit is odd. It's meant to be. The Raiders jacket is constantly sliding about on Ford's shoulders. The last crusade jacket is much more conventional in that respect.

S. Dakota Jones 06-01-2014 12:07 AM

I have a Todd's that I won ebay for a great price! It was already heavily distressed and it fits great too. I am probably going to Wested to have a ToD jacket made(made on request even though Peter has stated they will add the option to the website). But other than the pocket size, the one I have now will work for now.

Sakis 06-01-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarino
@Sakis--any pics of your Wested today? :)






Sorry for the quality of the pics but I used my mobile phone. As you can see at the bottom front the jacket has been stitched differently when the lining was replaced a few years back. Other than that the jacket is holding up pretty good.

jsarino 06-02-2014 11:15 AM

Thanks for sharing those pics, Sakis. :) The Wested is still on my wish list!

micsteam 06-03-2014 09:22 AM

I have a Wested I bought used on an other forum, I like it but I'd like a custom jacket to my measurements. In the near future I'm getting a a Custom Wested Hero Raiders. Can't go wrong with a Wested but Steele and Jones make an excellent jacket (I'm considering one now) and Bill Kelso make an unbelievable jacket but quite expensive if not "THE" most expensive but if money's not an object Kelso could be the way to go. :hat:

Djd1 06-21-2014 04:12 AM



My gorgeous new Relic Hunter from Bill Kelso....

Goodeknight 06-23-2014 08:45 AM

WESTED!

Tailored to my measurements. When people admire it and say, "Nice Indiana Jones jacket," I get to say, "Yeah, I had it custom made in England by the company that made them for the movies."

Why go with anything else?

Djd1 06-23-2014 01:15 PM

Well, because they don't make the best jackets... I've owned four Westeds but they only got the Raiders look right once they were able to copy a Tony Nowak, because Tony was leant an original to copy. The Wested hero is now a good pattern but only Bill Kelso and Steele and Jones have been using the correct raiders leather.

jsarino 06-23-2014 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djd1
Well, because they don't make the best jackets... I've owned four Westeds but they only got the Raiders look right once they were able to copy a Tony Nowak, because Tony was leant an original to copy. The Wested hero is now a good pattern but only Bill Kelso and Steele and Jones have been using the correct raiders leather.


So now in your opinion the Bill Kelso or Steele and Jones if budget isn't a concern?

Sakis 06-23-2014 02:01 PM

How can it be that the original maker doesn't make good copies? Is there something I don't get?

Djd1 06-23-2014 05:34 PM

It's a long and convoluted story but to put it simply Peter who now runs Wested, would have made the Raiders jacket like any other disposable film project. It wasn't until years later that anyone saw the commercial possibilities of manufacturing replicas for the public. By then it was pretty clear that the patterns for Raiders at least no longer existed. Wested could always make a good Crusade jacket but that was quite a different beast to the Raiders jacket in that it has a much more conventional fit. After Tony Nowak got the job of mmaking the jacket for CS he was apparently lent an original raiders jacket by lucasfilm to copy. The Wested hero, Steele and Jones and Kelso all come about as copies of this copy in one way or another. Don't get me wrong, the Wested Hero is a great jacket but Peter hasn't sourced and striated lamb that high definition prints of raiders clearly show the jacket was made of.

Money no object the Kelso is the best replica. Higher quality construction and higher quality leather but the Steele and Jones is also very good in terms of looking the part.

jsarino 09-30-2014 11:57 AM

I'm resurrecting this thread because I want to get some opinions on the leather itself. I've come across a couple of people that are selling their Westeds, both at the same size I'm looking for. One though is made of goatskin, the other lambskin, both claiming to be the "Hero" jacket. Which would you guys recommend as far as leather to go for?

jsarino 09-30-2014 06:47 PM

Ugh, so I measured myself and I'm 39". The two Westeds are 38R. For you Wested people, is it safe to assume that they are measured exactly as they are, not bigger or smaller than the size indicated? Thanks in advance.

jsarino 10-03-2014 04:12 PM

Well, I let both offers go on the two Westeds I looked at. Instead, I purchased a Todd's (Coyle's) Indy jacket, and it arrived today at the office:




I need to do some "aging" to mine soon. :)

Drones33 10-04-2014 07:19 AM

Looks great.
I agree with DJD1 regarding the Wested. Great value for those of us in the UK. Ive had mine for a few years and its beginning to look nicely battered. I think if I lived in the U.S. though I`d probably be more inclined to go for Todds myself. Indeed its only the prohibitively high shipping costs that prevented me getting the rest of my gear from Todds.

jsarino 10-05-2014 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Drones33
Looks great.
I agree with DJD1 regarding the Wested. Great value for those of us in the UK. Ive had mine for a few years and its beginning to look nicely battered. I think if I lived in the U.S. though I`d probably be more inclined to go for Todds myself. Indeed its only the prohibitively high shipping costs that prevented me getting the rest of my gear from Todds.


Thanks! You're right...conversely for me, I'd be doing what you're doing and getting your gear mostly in the UK or EU too if I were there. As it stands, I may be getting more Todd's gear to improve on what I've gotten so far. Though one exception is that I might be getting a authentic MKVII bag from a guy in the EU to replace my replica. Also, I still may get a Wested custom tailored jacket in the future, but for now, I'm enjoying breaking in the jacket. :)

Goodeknight 10-06-2014 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djd1
Well, because they don't make the best jackets... I've owned four Westeds but they only got the Raiders look right once they were able to copy a Tony Nowak, because Tony was leant an original to copy. The Wested hero is now a good pattern but only Bill Kelso and Steele and Jones have been using the correct raiders leather.


The Wested Hero is an odd jacket that looks costumey in my opinion. And something about the lack of lining and some other details strikes me odd, and being that thinly tailored it doesn't seem like it would move well or be very comfortable.

And I went with goat for the toughness of the jacket. It's practically bulletproof, especially compared to lamb.

As for the affordability with shipping from overseas, I see it as a lifetime, perhaps generational expense. I'm 43, bought the jacket maybe 7 years ago, and will probably pass it on to my son when he grows up. So a few extra bucks is incidental in the long run.

Regardless of copies, revamps, and copies of copies, my preference is still to have a jacket made by the original makers.

Glenville86 10-28-2014 12:13 AM

US Wings
 
Just ordered a US Wings Texas Steerhide “Legend” Jacket.

jsarino 10-28-2014 01:35 PM

^^^Saw pics of the jacket. Pretty cool that it already comes distressed/aged. I've not heard of this one, so please share with us your thoughts on it when it arrives. :)

Glenville86 11-10-2014 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarino
^^^Saw pics of the jacket. Pretty cool that it already comes distressed/aged. I've not heard of this one, so please share with us your thoughts on it when it arrives. :)


The USW Imported Legend Jacket fit well. Slim cut jacket so I ordered the long version. The leather is much lighter in shade than the web pictures. Very soft and the leather has a worn look but it does not show it as much as the shade is lighter.

For around 200 bucks, a very nice jacket that can be worn in above freezing weather with a heavier shirt.

jsarino 11-11-2014 10:28 AM

Aargh! This is partially my fault. I left my jacket on the bed, and my 4 yr. old daughter, which I call her the "Destructo" (she broke my PS3, damaged our car stereo, colored on our walls), put a sticker on my Todd's...



:(

Off to the leather repair place. Unfortunately, they'll have to refinish the whole jacket. So, any natural distressing I've done the last couple of months will be gone. I'm crossing my fingers the color will be about the same when it comes back.

Indyfan82 11-12-2014 09:09 AM

I have a leather jacket from Boston Outfitters that I really love. Of course, since I can't really afford to buy leather jackets all the time, it serves as my jacket for a number of characters- chiefly Indiana Jones of course- but also MacGyver, Michael Knight, Fonzie, Gary Hobson, Sam Beckett (okay- not that he was really wearing a jacket all the time though- lol), Marty McFly (in Back to the Future Part II), and most any other cool jacketed character out there...lol:) :cool:

Drones33 11-13-2014 05:24 AM

That's harsh :( Hope the leather place can repair it for you.

BiffMan 12-06-2014 10:51 PM

Gibson & Barnes goatskin here. Not completely SA, but just a stupidly well-constructed and incredibly comfortable jacket and I imagine it'll very likely outlast me. :-)

jsarino 12-09-2014 12:07 PM

Update on my Todd's: I did get it back finally, and it seems to have been restored, and a small tear in the back yolk was fixed too.


Time to naturally re-distress the jacket again...

Glenville86 12-09-2014 02:08 PM

Looks like they did a good job. :up:

Drones33 12-09-2014 02:52 PM

That's most impressive work. I'm glad they managed to restore it to its former glory. :up:

Drones33 12-10-2014 07:06 AM

Just had an email to say that the Wested Last Crusade jacket that I orderd in distressed cowhide will be here tomorrow. TOMORROW!
I love my Raiders goatskin, not very good for cold weather though. ( I specifically ordered a 38 instead of my usual 40 so that it would be quite snug. It fits great, but consequently I cant layer it.) So I wanted something a little heavier with a bit more room for layering that I can wear throughout the winter months.
And it'll be here tomorrow.
Very exciting :up:

Glenville86 12-10-2014 02:10 PM

I have been wearing a US Wings Signature Series Vintage Cowhide with a fleece vest underneath during the cold days. Works fine. Tomorrow, might wear a Wested goat with the vest. Funny thing is I have 2-Wested in goat and the Raiders Jacket has enough room to layer but the LC/CS is cut smaller even though they are both the same size.

Drones33 12-11-2014 09:15 AM

Raiders goat/Crusade cowhide comparison
 
My new LC cowhide arrived:up:
Natural light.



Played around with the saturation so the difference in colour is more obvious.
The LC is just a bit longer and looser than the Raiders goat which is just what I wanted.

Drones33 12-11-2014 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenville86
I have been wearing a US Wings Signature Series Vintage Cowhide with a fleece vest underneath during the cold days. Works fine. Tomorrow, might wear a Wested goat with the vest. Funny thing is I have 2-Wested in goat and the Raiders Jacket has enough room to layer but the LC/CS is cut smaller even though they are both the same size.


That's intriguing. I'd have said the LC was cut looser. Perhaps, in my case, it's simply the fact that my Raiders goat is a size smaller, and I'd just assumed it was the cut aswell as the size. I'm very happy with my new LC I must say. Nicely different from my Raiders. Not better, just different . Look forward to taking it on its first outing... With a fleece :up:

jsarino 12-11-2014 03:01 PM

Drones, congrats on your new jacket! :up:

Drones33 12-12-2014 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarino
Drones, congrats on your new jacket! :up:


Thanks Jsarino. How's the weathering coming on your newly restored Todds?

Glenville86 12-12-2014 01:55 PM

One thing I have noticed is the resale value on the Indy jackets is not very good. Not horrible but not good. I bought 2 jackets on EBay I really did not need because the prices were so good. Like new US Wings Indiana Jones "Legend" jacket in steerhide (US Made) for under $130.00 and a like new Wested in Lamb for $125.00.

I am sure the rare jackets would retain more of their value.

Drones33 12-13-2014 05:39 AM

Interesting point. I wonder if its a relative thing: to a fan, an Indy jacket, be it Wested, Todds, US Wings or otherwise, would be a highly prized item. Yet to a non-fan who doesn`t understand the appeal, it may be just another leather jacket. And sadly it seems theres a lot more non-fans out there than fans.:(
Indeed, it seems to me that theres a surprising number of people, particularly younger people, who have no idea who or what Indy is, let alone the fact that there are certain items, the hat and jacket being the most obvious, associated specifically with him.
Its interesting I think, and this is true not just of Indy, that something that can be so prominent a part of one persons consciousness can be irrelevant to another. I work with a team of ten people ranging from early twenties to late fifties, yet only 2 of those have ever seen an Indy film, and clearly the other 8 have no interest in watching any of them.
Amazing really...

Glenville86 12-13-2014 11:50 AM

Maybe in 30-40 years, these things will be a highly sought after vintage item. :)

Back in the mid 90s, I had a Stetson Indy hats (one of the better ones) that I wore. Got messed with in good nature by my friends for wearing it. Fast forward to now and I can wear an Indy hat and jacket with no comments except nice cowboy hat. :confused:

I was worried that wearing them together would be so obvious but as you said, most people do not even know anymore.

jsarino 12-15-2014 04:17 PM

It is surprising that the jackets have not fared as well as they should in the used market. Whips and hats to me though have stayed steady or have gone up.

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Originally Posted by Drones33
Thanks Jsarino. How's the weathering coming on your newly restored Todds?


I'm just naturally letting it get distressed. In the short time I had it, it was showing some nice signs of wear too (I was wearing it the bulk of the fall here in the US). Unfortunately, I have to start over again. I'm waiting on some Pecard's cream dressing to arrive so I can protect it. Then, if the weather is more fall-like, I'll presume naturally re-distressing it. :)

Glenville86 01-01-2015 04:55 AM

Have a G&B Expedition on order. I like all my Indy jackets from Wested, USW and WPG but am still looking for "the one".

Sakis 01-02-2015 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenville86
Have a G&B Expedition on order. I like all my Indy jackets from Wested, USW and WPG but am still looking for "the one".


Yoy have a Wested and it's not The One???

Glenville86 01-02-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sakis
Yoy have a Wested and it's not The One???


I guess it has more to do with the fit than the maker quality. I have big arms and wide shoulders.

The Wested fit alright but they are slightly snug in the upper body where my shoulders and upper arms meet. Other than that, they fit fine.

The US Wings fit great in the upper body but the sleeves while alright could be slightly longer and the waist is slightly bigger than I like. No way too big but a little.

The What Price Glory (WPG) fits the best overall but the zipper and pull are a bright brass that contrasts with the dark goat. Looks great zipped but open just slightly bothers me.

I like them all though and have been letting go of a leather jacket (non-Indy) from my collection whenever I get a new one.

Drones33 01-03-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenville86
Have a G&B Expedition on order. I like all my Indy jackets from Wested, USW and WPG but am still looking for "the one".


Just been looking at the G&B Expedition on their website. Looks really nice. Have you opted for goat or lamb skin?

Glenville86 01-03-2015 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Drones33
Just been looking at the G&B Expedition on their website. Looks really nice. Have you opted for goat or lamb skin?


I ordered the goat. I normally wear a 48 in fancy outerwear coats and ordered the 48 Long. Just hope it fits well. If not, will have to exchange it. My Wested are 48 and one size 50 that fit alright. The US Wings I have are XXL as well.

Drones33 01-10-2015 04:58 AM

US Wings Jacket on ebay, worth a look...
 
Came across this on ebay: a US Wings Indy jacket, large, £36, ( less than $60). I`d snap this bargain up myself but it would be too big for me unfortunately. Thought I`d post the link though in case its of interest to anyone...:) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/U-S-WINGS-...item3f446aeafb


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