"You cheat, Dr. Jones, you cheat!"
 

I always thought the idea was Indy had an extra card by accident, and Shorty knew damn well it was an accident, but wasn't going to let an opportunity like that slip by. But someone I know thinks Indy was cheating.....anyone know?

I don't think it really matters, because either situation, whether it be Short Round exploiting Indy's accident to further his own gains, or both of them trying to cheat each other, is pretty damned funny.

Considering his character in the film, it'd be conceivable that he actually cheating, but his relationship with Short Round and his tone during the scene makes me think that he was in the right, both before and after he discovered the card in Shorty's own sleeve.

Yeah, I doubt he'd cheat in a card game with a child anyway.

I am pretty sure that both are cheaters in that scene

yah , short round was a pick pocketer so i think he was just working his skills

In one of the making ofs on tod that were not on the dvd, spielberg talks about casting short round. They were trying that scene for the casting and he said that he told him that indy was also cheating.

http://www.hfm2.com/photopost2/showgallery.php/cat/603

It is a really good making of and worth checking out :whip:

BOTH are cheaters!

I think one of Spielbergs most worthy skills as a director is his ability to get great, naturalistic performances out of kids. I'm still astounded by Christian Bale every time I see 'Empire of the Sun'. Maybe he just casts well, at any rate, amazing.

Then of course, the other side of the coin is Jake Lloyd directed by George Lucas... there's a trainwreck and a half. Come to think of it, there wasn't a truly memorable performance anywhere in the prequels.

I always thought Jones was playing fair and genuinely made a mistake by taking an extra card. Wouldn't have thought he'd cheat in a card game with a kid!

Agreed... My read is that Indys cards were stuck together... Shorty on the other hand was cheating

No, BOTH are cheaters. Steven Spielberg sad this in one of the many making offs.

I dismiss 98% of what comes out of his mouth....

HE can't tell ME how to enjoy any movie.

Who? Spielberg? If thats the case, well, since he directed the film, he's a better authority than most on whether Indy was cheating in that scene or not.

I always thought Indy made an honest mistake and Shorty, well aware it was a mistake and being the dodgy git that he is, used it as an opportunity to extort money off him. But if Spielberg says he was actually cheating, well, there you go.

"But if Spielberg says he was actually cheating..."

... then it's a testament to how lousy a director he really is, cause it certainly did READ like Indy was actually cheating.

If Spielberg says he was actually cheating, its a testament to how lousy a director he really is, because it read like he was actually cheating.....that doesn't make a great deal of sense to me Clint.

Sorry... mistyped....

It certainly -didn't- read like Indy was cheating.

Damn fingers

(So we have spell checkers and grammar checkers.... when is someone gonna invent a "What I really Meant" checker?!?!?! LOL )

If you'd read the rest of what Clinton's said in this thread, it'd be clear there was a typographical error and that he meant to say that it read like Indy wasn't cheating, or so I would think based on his other posts and the general tenor of his most recent post too. And I'm guessing you knew that anyhow.

Edit: My point's been made by the source itself, but since deletion's not an option, I'll leave my content be. I'll also throw in my belief that I also felt that Indy did not seem to be cheating in that scene.

It always came off to me that Indy was cheating.


Unintentional ROFL.

No I didn't already know that. I hadn't read his previous post in a while so I didn't remember he believed the same thing I did. Apologies.

"Apologies"

None needed... ,-)

My apologies too then, to oki9Sedo - I just automatically thought a question asked in good faith was an attempt at baiting, and for that assumption, I am sorry.

Correct me if I am wrong but in "Making of Temple of Doom," the idea that Spielberg set in to Ke Huy Quan is that Indy was cheating - but this was part of the improvisation and initial meeting between Quan and Ford before a single frame was even shot. When the scene was shot, it was actually Shorty that was cheating but he was trying to cover himself by believing that Indy cheated too. Nothing more complicated than that.

Fact is: Shorty AND Indy cheating. That's it!

Not a lot of facts in art....

Maybe it was what Spellbrunk INTENDED, but the scene sure didn't play that way....

Still looks to me like Indys cards were stuck together, but Shorty was cheating....

Your mileage may vary, but isn't more 'correct' than mine in any way.