Can't someone just *ask* Lucas?
 

This may sound stupid, but someone in the press should just ask Lucas to release the original, uncut YIJC on DVD. Or maybe some of us should call Lucasfilm's phone number and ask to speak to the marketing department about it. :whip::up:

Why on Earth would he do this? By his own admission he's dropped more money on the production of this DVD set than he did the entire production of the series itself. This set is a very niche product, and I highly doubt it will sell very many copies outside of education circles.

Young Indy was a glorious "failure". And I doubt too many people, with the exception of Indy and genre fans have even heard of the series. If Lucas/Paramount is lucky they might sell the odd set or two to the casual passer by who sees the words Indiana Jones, takes a look at the set, and thinks "the kids might like it." Or the occasional channel surfer who happens upon the reruns on the History Channel and likes what he sees.


Yancy

I just think it's a travesty to not have the original episodes available on DVD of one of the greatest television series ever made. :(

Well, it took a large public outcry and pressure from FOX for Lucas to allow the unedited Star Wars Trilogy to come to DVD. However, that was with no extras and a version taken from a Laser Disc release. Unfortunately his stubbornness has been unfairly directing at his most diehard fans in these instances. Thankfully he can't butcher the Indiana Jones movies.

Sure he can.

Who's to say we won't get the Indiana Jones Special Edition Trilogy someday?
Where they edit out the part where Indy shoots the tug in the streets of Cairo by filming a new scene where, after doing all his fancy swordplay, the thug pulls out a gun and shoots at Indy BEFORE Indy shoots him dead.

And who doesn't want to see CGI Belloq? Come on, it would ROCK!!!!

That release was horribly done. Well, at least he couldn't give us non-anamorphic transfers of the original Young Indy episodes if he ever got around to releasing them...

I just got Volume 1 and man am I pissed. Disc 01 shows how far removed Lucas really is. It goes from the Egypt adventure straight into Indy a few years older and now getting kidnapped and being caught up with the slave trade. I mean seriously, are you kidding me right now? Just release the God damn shows the way we all remember them. I don't need this many extras. I'll take the original shows over these extras any day!!! Times like this I can't wait for Lucas to finally kick the bucket and hope and pray that who ever owns the license next will release everything that has been asked for. Once can hope. My faith in Lucas is GONE. How do you mess up a TV Show DVD release? I mean really?!?!?! I would have no faith in Indy IV if it wasn't for Spielberg.

What, not even one LOL at my clever post above?

Take some time and smell the flowers ppl. Yeesh.

;)

Wait a sec Irish luck.. its times like this you can't wait for Lucas to Kick the bucket? A little bit extreme perhaps? I mean, you do realise that without Lucas we wouldn't have Young Indy in the first place, the man views the thing as a labour of love, that few loved in its original broadcast version, yet here he is, trying again, spending thousands on a DVD set that few will even buy. I know you and many others consider this a travesty beyond belief, but I mean, in all seriousness, we all knew it was gonna be like this, these versions have been on TV before, in 2001 over here on the BBC, and yes, I understand its rather crassly done, but, how else was he supposed to put it into chonological order? One of the main complaints leveled against young Indy back when it was first released and Cancelled? He bowed to pressure then, reedited the whole series to I imagine, great cost, and now this?
There was a time when I thought I'd never own Young Indy in any form, and now they;re coming to DVD in a package thats being toted by reviewers as one of the best since the advent of the medium, if you really hate the linking material that much, then close your eyes, and imagine George Hall, at least we HAVE the meat of the episodes..

A tad extreme. Especially as there wouldn't be a YIJ series without him.

Well, you know what he could have done? He could have simply put both versions of the series on the DVDs so as to please both himself, and the fans. It's the same way with Star Wars. When he released that first original trilogy box set, all he had to do was put both versions on the SW DVDs and everyone would be happy.

Of course he could, but he didn't want to.

Exactly. And that's why he's out of touch with his fanbase.

You don't see Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, or Ridley Scott putting out *only* their preferred versions. Spielberg is putting out all three versions of Close Encounters, Cameron put out both versions of T2 and Aliens, and Scott put out both versions of Alien and ALL FIVE versions of Blade Runner.

Personally I'm getting a bit tired of this Lucas raped my childhood spiel. Those are major feature films you are talking about, this is a TV show and probably just wouldn't make financial sense to release multiple versions of a TV show. The IJ movies, sure, that would make sense, but this is a TV show that was cancelled after a series. It wasn't much of a hit.

I'm not talking about multiple DVD releases. I'm talking about one DVD release containing both versions of the series. It wouldn't have been too hard. If Lucas can put 94 historical documentaries onto the DVDs, he could have easily put the original episodes of the series on there.

I'm not pulling that "Lucas raped my childhood" crap. I'm saying that Lucas should respect his original works, and respect the show's fans who have waited years for its DVD release. It doesn't matter if the work in question is the original Star Wars film, Young Indy, or even those Droids and Ewoks cartoons he messed around with a few years back. The point is that when you put something out there for the public to view, it becomes what that work is. It's fine if its creator alters it, as they have every right to. But for the work's creator to refuse to release the original, unaltered work alongside the altered work is, as I said before, just pure disrespect for the original work, and the work's fans.

Lucas DID rape my childhood.

Your childhood is the past, your memories. Not George Lucas or anyone else can change that! :rolleyes:

But I am a preserved moose, I remain in the constant state of childhood.

Well I wasn't a child when this series came out, I was 17. The biggest flaw in it I saw was the old Indy bookends.

So you must like Lucas' re-edited versions then. That's fine, but don't make fun of those of us who like the original episodes of the series by saying we think Lucas raped our childhoods. :up:

You know what. Everyone says it was because of Lucas we have Star Wars and Indiana Jones. I agree. But there is one small thing you are forgetting. The Original Star Wars Trilogy needed help while be written. Lucas's original stuff was crap. Don't believe me? Here. The Star Wars Prequels are proof. They were written and directed COMPLETELY by George Lucas. AND THEY SUCKED!!!

Star Wars Original Trilogy: Had Lawrence Kasdan, Irvin Kershner and Richard Marquand.

Indiana Jones Trilogy: Had Lawrence Kasdan, Philip Kaufman, and Frank Marshall and of course Steven Spielberg

Star Wars Prequel Trilogy: Written and Directed by George Lucas = CRAP

Well technically, Young Indy writer Jonathan Hales was credited as co-writer on Attack of the Clones. :cool:

And let's not forget 'THX-1138' and 'American Graffiti' - two of the best American features of the 70's.

Perhaps I have judged the Young Indiana Jones release too harshley. Minus the packaging, it really is a great release. And the more I read about the creation of Young Indiana Jones the more I am appreciating the way these DVDs are setup. I just wish we, the fans, would be given a choice.

Indeed. :up:

I hated THX. The most boring wodden movie I've ever seen in my entire life. Lame acting, horrible looking, and then Lucas had to go back and add in CGI to it. AHHH, my eyes! The new CG enhancements make the movie look even worse than it did before. Nothing seems to fit.

I've never seen that movie on anyone's "best of" list, the only reason it's rarely acknowledged ever is just because it was directed by Lucas.

You're wrong, but that's ok.

Don't you think the fact that the cold, inhumane Dystopian vision Lucas presented was reflected in the pacing of the film was a deliberate stylistic and thematic choice? To show THAT future (with its obviously parallels to our present) in any other way would not have been as effective. 45 minutes into the film, and I wanted to get the f@ck out of that place as well - that's a sign of great filmmaking. I could have lived without the CGI additions, but they're not too bad.

I'll give you some advice, stay clear of European cinema entirely. Most of that early Zoetrope stuff (I'm looking at you 'The Conversation'!), hell, early 70's American cinema in general - derive most of their style from French and Italian artistic sensibilities. To folks raised on a diet of shallow, mainstream, explosion-a-second Hollywood bollocks the Euro style can seem slow, 'wooden' and 'lame'.

If you think THX is 'boring', well, go back to your popcorn. You're out of your league.

THX, a masterpiece? You have gone insane. It's crap. Nothing enjoyable about it.

It's not supposed to be 'enjoyable'.

Thankyou too for such an eloquent reply.

Quoted for truth. :D:whip:

THX-1138 is a damn incredible film - wish more people could see that! Completely f@cking bleak - moreso for me than 2001, Blade Runner, Brazil or any of the similarly themed films I've seen. This is the 'real deal' - completely breaking down your senses until you feel like one of these sad drugged up folks.

I can't think of a sadder thing than George being really ****ed over by the studios on those first three pictures (studio interference, 'freaks up front', etc), subsequently stops taking chances as a filmmaker, and loses his muse so utterly. How terrible. Young Indiana Jones was the last great thing he was involved with.

And I'll be honest with you, I think part of the perceived failing of 'Young Indiana Jones' to a mainstream American audience was the fact that it had predominantly European cast and crew. This is reflected in the direction, pacing, cinematography, score, etc - and while it never reached the 'artiness' of Georges early work, I think the series had many echoes of the thematic strands that went through his first 3 feature films (desire for escape, etc).

I mean, check that out.

THX - Longs to free himself from this 'civilized' prison.
American Graffiti - These smalltown kids on the verge of adulthood, all the ones with any sense want to get out and live - even if they can't yet articulate what they want to do once they leave.
SW - Lukes desire to escape Tatooine, tied with his obligations.

It's a very personal theme for Lucas, himself having come from a smalltown with big ambitions. Young Indy, with the character constantly wishing to rebel against the rule of Ms. Seymour, or his father, and do things his own way fits nicely into some of the ideas that pervade Georges best work.

Now you're just being ignorant. The first two lines I typed went as following:


I hated THX. The most boring wodden movie I've ever seen in my entire life.

Just how can I be wrong about "hating it" or it being "the most boring wooden movie I've ever seen." If I am wrong, then do you mind telling me what IS the most boring wooden movie that I've ever seen was?


45 minutes in, I was thinking, "this is stupid, there is no plot. Lucas's young weak ability to tell a story is showing."


The full on white background just wasn't my style. You liked it, that's fine, but I didn't. I definitely think THX is boring because it's sure as hell isn't entertaining.


Like Indyll said, it's not meant to be enjoyable and it surely isn't. So in that regard, Lucas succeeded beyond expectations. I thought it was a boring bleak mess with wodden acting, a non-existent plot, and a story that goes nowhere within 85 minutes.

I can't believe I'm doing this.


You are wrong in your assessment that it is a wooden, boring film. It's infinitely superior to nearly anything made by the Hollywood system since. That kid was a visionary, no question. Which makes his 'fall' from perceptive indie filmmaker to populist big budget popcorn producer all the more heartbreaking.


Again, it's an impressionistic, surreal work of ART - it doesn't abide by 'conventional' (read: inane) Hollywood storytelling techniques.

The 'wooden' acting comes from the fact that the people in the film (and that's us, by the way - if you're into allegory) are doped up to their gills so they won't realise how pathetic their mundane existence really is.


When you're ready to start viewing films as more than a mere mindless 'entertainment', try it again.

Don't you see - you're being 'drugged up' on a diet of recycled, derivitive Hollywood büllshît in the same fashion as the characters in the film are? You can't even recognise quality filmmaking when it's sitting right in your lap! - I just hope you, like THX-1138, realise, snap, and get the frig out before it's too late!

Anywho, off to bed - nighty night!

No, he really isn't, That's his opinion. And since it doesn't contradict a fact, his opinion isn't wrong. Neither is yours, but it doesn't make you right, either.

hes not wrong
u are being ingnorant

Thanks guys but I stopped reading after his first sentence that began with "you're wrong in your assessment..." Don't really need to go any further as I can tell what the rest of the post consists of, "you're wrong on this part, I'm right on that part yada yada." Not much to debate here. Moving along moving along, nothing to see here.

Don't be absurd - that tired spiel is the last refuge for those who haven't the experience, knowledge or capacity to trial objective thought or comprehend anything beyond their own self-imposed ignorance.

"The irony of the Information Age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion."

Oh, the most wooden and boring film you've ever seen is probably The Phantom Menace or The Mummy Returns, Vendetta. If you can honestly reason that either of those films is in any way superior to THX-1138 (without mentioning CGI or lightsabers), you will have my respect.