Perfectly agree, No Ticket. Besides there are a lot of movies where the protagonist is not young and they're wonderful movies. It all depends on the story, which has, of course, to win the defy of making Harrison's age one point of strenght instead of a weekness.

Ok, fair enough. But one must not let that childlike wonder get in the way of other things.

...and I will agree to that!

:)

Yeah, don't worry about Harry's chest everyone! I'm sure it will look great. :up:

Don't worry, ILM is working on removing the breasts.:gun:

LMAO!!! haha,i thought this thread couldnt get any funnier than it already is:p

Oh, c'mon everyone knew that ILM was the next logical step to the discussion...

Moobs: He should invest in a Manssiere (Seinfeld reference) :up:

Overall Physique: I'm not that superficial; as long as he looks and acts like Indiana Jones, I'm happy. Even if it is an "aging" Indy.

I guess the main problem is that people hate to see the flaws in what was once considered ideal. Indy is an ideal many of us aspired to at one point or another. If our aspirations are flawed, then they may no longer be attractive enough to pursue. Thus the resistance and distaste coupled with the news of a new Indiana Jones movie. Some people prefer to remember Indy in his prime. I myself can't even watch the Young Indy series, though I tried. It's just not the same. And and older Indy will never be the same as original trilogy Indy.

Am I exploring the 'fanboy' psyche a little too closely for comfort?

:confused:

Good post Neozobian! I think you accurately described the issue for a lot of people. Indy the character as embodied by Ford was a hero to many in the 80's, and to see him now at the age Connery was playing the "old man" professor in LC, is a bit hard to swallow. A lot of people want to remember their heroes, icons, etc. in a flattering light. No one likes to think of the 1970's, fat, drug addicted, fried peanut butter, butter, and banana sandwich eating Elvis. They like to think of the young, good looking, Heartbreak Hotel Elvis. The same goes for so many actors, musicians, etc.. To see your heroes as older is to realize you're older now as well.

Granted Ford is incredibly fit and still looks good at 65, but he's still 65! He's an older man now nearing 70. He may not play it in KotCS, but it will still be on peoples' minds when they see him on screen again. Continually it will be going through the audiences' heads, wow Ford is not a young guy anymore. Gone is the younger Ford of Star Wars, Blade Runner, Raiders, Temple, etc.. This doesn't mean an older Ford playing Indy won't be entertaining, nostalgic, and fun, but it will be different.

It's the BRO!!!:p

"Gone is the younger Ford"

Which is the #1 reason to recast.....

Image the uproar THAT would cause when Ford is still alive, kickin', and willin'.

:gun:

I was unhappy about Superman being recast and Christopher Reeve has been dead for years!

I was VERY happy with the Superman Recast... (FAR from the first time that role had been recast.....) The same way that the last TNG movie REALLY needed to recast the role of Data... (The fattest, oldest Supposed-to-be-ageless android you've ever seen....)

Indy... Like Superman and Data, is really only interesting when he's at his peak.... Like ALL archetypal heroes... In #4, Indy's got to be way beyond that.... and that sucks.

Especially given that there are a MILLION young actors out there with WAY more talent than Harrison Ford has been showing lately who coulda stepped into the role and knocked it outa the park.

Hell.... You don't need an Award Winning actor to play a pulp-era hero....

Boooooooo.... and what do you mean by "the first time"? Like a bajillion people have played Superman. It even goes back to radio broadcasting days. Are you saying the guy who did the voice on the radio show was the best Supe?

does anyone even remember the name of that new kid from Returns? And seriously, Kate Bosworth is the worst Lois Lane recast ever. I would have voted Robin Tunney except I don't even know if anyone even considered her. She's perfect! Reminds me SO much of Margot Kidder, but WAY prettier and less annoying.

Anywho, CH does that mean you would recast for Marion too?

:confused:

You *do* know I mean to say that Reeve is the best Supe?? I just realized how this statement could be misconstrued... I was upset about the 'Superman Returns' recasting--joking that they should have cast Reeve though he is deceased... Ok I'll shut up now.

:hat:

When he said "FAR from being the first recast," that means that it wasn't the first recast.

I liked Robin Tunney in Hollywoodland. I thought she fit the bill for that particular character, plus she fit in so effortlessly in that era of Hollywood. She just has that look to her. I'm not really a Superman fan, to be honest, but I don't think she would have made a good Lois Lane, honestly because I don't find her all that attractive. I felt the same about Margot Kidder. She just wasn't a very attractive woman, in my opinion. I haven't seen Superman Returns, so I can't really critique Bosworth's performance, but I would have liked to see someone who was actually a brunette in the role. Plus, Bosworth is a little too skinny.

Double posts are unnecessary....

"what do you mean by "the first time"?"
D'uh.... Superman Returns was FAR from the first time the role of Superman has been recast... and it'll be far from the last.... Because, for the most part Superman remains unchanging, there's never any reason to end the tale... (See The Simpsons for a prime example of that entertainment axiom)

"the name of that new kid from Returns?"

Kid?!?! He was born in 1979.... He's probably older than you are...

His name is Brandon Routh... I've seen a LOT of people play Superman and do a LOT worse than he did.... Case in point... Christopher Reeve in Superman 3.... and he was even worse in Superman 4.... so he's batting 50%.

"does that mean you would recast for Marion too?"
For Indy 4?!?! I woulda left her out of the equation all together.... I'da recast Indy for Indy 4, and done another 'prequel', taking place somewhere between Temple and Raiders.... Or even PRE-Temple.... I'da added to the story, instead of trying to cap the end of it off. But also, I have no interest in telling the sort of wishy-washy, namby-pamby story that I'm sure old farts like Steven and George want to tell....

"I'm not really a Superman fan"
He's pretty one-dimensional eh....

That depends entirely on how shallow you are.

Hardly.. and your pathetic little passive-aggressive attack is unnecessary.

Superman has been called, by a LOT of critics, and critically acclaimed writers, and scholars, a very one dimensional character, and so a HELL of a challenge to make interesting.... At his core, he can do anything that needs to be done. He's pushed FN planets... He's spun time backwards and forwards....

How is a guy who can do ANYTHING interesting in the least?

It's his villains that are well and truly interesting characters, for, at the very least daring to take on a guy who can DO anything....

Doctor Manhattan (Watchmen) represents the boredom element of Superman very well....

When it comes to Indy, it's a matter of time-and-place.... I turn to pulp-style heroes for exactly that.. pulp style heroes.... I have NO interest in him dealing with old age and being a dead-beat dad and such nonsense.... there's enough crappy Jack Nicholson movies that deal with such subjects... Indy, in those roles, is boring.

That wasn't meant to be aggressive, Clinton.

I just don't see why the characters age bothers you so much.

Isn't an archetypal character one-dimensional by definition?

From the source that be ever questionable (wikipedia):
An archetype is a generic, idealized model of a person, object, or concept from which similar instances are derived, copied, patterned, or emulated.

Superman=Christ archetype

Indiana Jones=hero archetype

Luke Skywalker=callow youth on a journey archetype

Obiwan/Dr. Jones Sr.=old wizard archetype

...???

We're talking about fairy tales here, people. Popular culture, if you want to get really vulgar about it. We're not talking about bleeding Hemingway or Melville. Superman is just as one-dimensional as Batman or Frodo or James Bond even Data.

The only reason Data got developed more was out of necessity--being part of a television series. There's only so far you can go with "I'm a robot and I don't understand human behavior and sometimes that's funny."

Data original concept=C3PO.

Chuh.

"Data original concept=C3PO."
Oh please.... Talk about missing the boat....

Data's got WAY more in common with The Tin Man from Wizard Of Oz than he has with C3P0.....

And The Tin Man is just a reimagining of The Creature from Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.... The CREATED being who just wants to be human....

Watching TNG, I kept waiting for Data to break into a chorus of
"I've got no strings, to hold me down" his character was that much of a pathetic ripoff....

Clinton has got me thinking, we haven't had a good "who else besides Ford" could play Indy discussion in a while. Every single time we do start one up, it never makes it past 2 or 3 suggestions than the arguing begins. There of course will be the no one but Ford can play Indy camp, which I'm for the most part a member of, but I do think it's fun to throw names around in a "what if" scenario. Let's say the role of Indy was recast in the future for a prequel movie, who has any suggestions for a possible actor to fill Ford's size 12 Aldens?

My pics: Gerard Butler, Eric Bana, or Finn's favorite :) Nathan Fillion.


I thought Routh did a great job in SR, he was by far the best part of that movie!

Brandon Routh was a great Superman. I hope he continues the franchise.

Harrison Ford still looks great as Indiana Jones. I'm hoping he not only looks great as Indy but will also act like the Indy we all know and love.

Oh and the age factor will add to the character.

20 years ago people would have laughed their asses off at this suggestion...

...but what about Anthony Michael Hall?

Anybody watch The Dead Zone TV series? He gets this "hard thinking" look on his face that has always reminded me of Indy.

We'd have to do something about the hair though...

He wouldn't be my first choice, but he's one I've never seen suggested. Good choice Neozobian! He has definitely gained a harder edge over the years. He's not the kid from Weird Science anymore, that's for sure!

Jackie Chan.

Or how bout' Chris Tucker?

Clive Owen is another one I just thought of, as is Christian Bale. Bale, I'm not so sure of though?

The actor in question would have to be under 40 or at least a very young looking 40 something, to star as Indy in a prequel. If Ford was a youthful 37/38 in Raiders and 41/42 in ToD, an actor in his mid 30's-early 40's could fill the role just fine.

I must say I LOVE Christian Bale. In fact I'll go so far as to say he's currently my favorite currently working actor. However, I don't know if he can do Indy.

I'm not questioning his ability--more questioning if he can seamlessly pull off "the look."

I agree, I don't think he could pull off the look like Owen, Butler, Fillion, or Bana could. All those guys have a rugged look, well at least Owen, Butler, and Bana do. Fillion I've never seen look weathered or grizzled, he's usually always pretty polished.

Owen, Butler, and Bana routinely rock the 3 day beard growth and wear it well. Not to mention they all seem to inherently have that tougher edge, that Indy needs to have. Bale is a fantastic actor, but Indy wouldn't be the best fit for him. He's great though at darker more complex charcaters like Batman, Patrick Bateman, The Machinist, etc..

i've said it before, and i'll say it again... alexis denisof. if he, an american actor, can actually shed that british accent that sounds more authentic than his american one after apparently living in england for too long.

his body type is the skinny/tall type. he looks great with weapons. he looks best with the stubble, but that nerdy look is something he's done before. his character of wesley reminds a lot of people as having morphed into clint eastwood. he's really good at that rough and rugged thing. he is good at dark drama, action (in other words, has done some of the physicality required) and comedy and has shown himself to be wonderful at all of them.

and, imo, of all the actors mentioned thus far, he has the closest resemblance to a ford or eastwood look (again, if he can get that american voice better). ironically, a lot of people were bringing up his name for james bond (and, imo, fit the role much better than blondie craig).



but yeah... this was *IF* harrison ford said he'd never play the role ever again and they wanted somebody else.

admittedly, alexis is in his 40s.

"who else besides Ford"
D'uh....

Dennis Quade.... He already played the same type of character in Flight Of The Phoenix.... He looked better in that kind of role than Ford did in Raiders.

Talk about a no-brainer.

Bale is all wrong, as good as he is.

Anthony Michael Hall is a lousy actor at best (Not that you need to be good to play Indy....)

Sorry but Dennis Quaid currently resembles a chipmunk more closely than Indiana Jones... You just want to shove a walnut in his face.


Perhaps Bale is TOO good for Indy? *raised eyebrow/intrigued face*

*then gets lost fantasizing about Bale in a fedora, all scruffy... hmm*
;)

EDIT: I'm also reluctant to nominate anyone who is not American or Canadian. I have no problems with Clive Owen as an actor. I just don't think he's right for Indy. And the fact that he's from over the pond doesn't help.

I'd thought of Quaid before, but unfortunately he's in his 50's now and that wouldn't work for an Indy prequel.

I've never seen Alexis Denisof before in anything so I can't give an honest opinion, but he's definitely got the right look.

Butler once again could be a great fit! We know he can handle action ie. 300 and Tomb Raider: Cradle of Life, and he can be goofy, serious, and dramatic as well. Not to mention the guy practically lives in leather jackets and a 3 day old beard, and pulls off the look naturally. Never seen him in a fedora before though.

"Quaid before, but unfortunately he's in his 50's"
He looks better at 50 than Harrison did... and WAY better than he looks now...

*shrug*

I'd say they are both impressive for their ages. Ford at 50 was starring in Patriot Games followed by The Fugitive and looked terrific albeit a little older looking than Quaid.

Quaid who's 53, was 50 when he starred in The Day After Tomorrow and The Alamo. It's tough to say who was in better shape or younger looking at that time, but Quaid might have a slight edge on Ford. It's a tough call!

All I know is I hope I look that good at 53 or 65!

This might have to do with my current fascination with the series "Dexter," but what about.... Michael C. Hall?

Whoh, Anthony Michael Hall.... Michael C. Hall.... is there something wrong with me?

:confused:

Reminds me of that Wayne's World quote: "Wait a minute: Dick York, Dick Sergeant... Sergeant York."

"I hope I look that good at 53 or 65!"
Get lots of exercise... Eat healthful food... get plenty of quality sleep.... avoid alcohol and tobacco....

In the end you still end up dead, but you 'll look better than most people do....

:-P
Heh

"Michael C. Hall?"
Indy isn't that much of a pansy...

"What about Michael C. Hall?"

I just don't know if he's too unusual looking to play a mainstream hero character? He's got the physicality, but he's also got a Willem Dafoe vibe, a little quirky and frightening looking. But then again, if people flock in droves to see Nicholas Cage you never know?

Just 'cause his character on Six Feet Under was gay.... sheesh.


Cage is, in his own way, already Indiana Jones (see National Treasure).
:up:

I've never seen Six Feet Under.... who has time for TV?

So that he played GAY before has NOTHING to do with my impression of him looking like a pansy (Note, -I- said nothing about his sexual orientation... you ASSUMED pansy = homosexual... )

It was a light-hearted comment that assumed nothing about homosexuals as a group. I actually wrongly assumed something about YOU personally. And for that I apologize.

And Six Feet Under is an excellent show that I myself have been missing out on for years despite all of the raving recommendations I've been receiving from complete strangers. The show features another gay character-- a very NON-PANSY police officer.

Please don't twist my words. And please accept my apology for thinking that YOU associate being gay with being, using your word, "pansy." I should have figured you to be more intelligent than that.

Being a pansy has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation! I've known a lot of straight guys who were mincing little girls blouses....

And more than a few 'pillow biters' who were butch, Alpha-male, Marlborough-men!

LOL

"Six Feet Under is an excellent show"
I've heard that from a bunch of other people as well.... but since giving up on Battlestar Galactica, TV mostly holds very little appeal for me.

Ok, so now that we've cleared the air...

What about..... duh nuh nuh!

Scott Bakula?

:whip:

Have I reduced the debate to looks? Curse my feminine mind...

Of course, he's aged quite a bit since his Quantum Leap years...
...but maybe if he bulked up a little?

Barf.......

The best idea is a young unknown... someone who'd be able to carry the mantle for a few good sequels

yeah I guess if we're going to go mainstream someone might as well suggest George freaking Clooney.

We all saw how well that worked for the Batman franchise...

*more barf*

No to Bale.....................!

LOL!!! :D :D

Ya know? There's a friend of mine who jokingly said the exact same thing, some months ago. LOL!!!

he looks almost as old as Ford:)

What is great about Ford as Indiana Jones is that he brings a third dimension to the role, and that dimension is who he is. Like when he rescued that dehydrated girl with his helicopter. He's just perfect. No, it doesn't take an Award-winning actor to play a pulp-era hero. There have been many in Indy's wake, and even preceding Indy. But don't you think Indy's relevance has a lot to do with Ford?

As for the claim that many actors could do a better job than Ford...who? Really, who? A lot of eager young actors who want a chance to do their little dance in the end zone. Ford has always been a master at subtle acting, and it's one of the reasons I think he is both underrated and treasured so much.

Subtle? I woulda said 'wooden'... but y'know, in a charming, Bogart, Grant kinda way.