5th movie?
 

I know there's already been speculation on this but what I haven't seen anyone notice is that this film hasn't been marketed as the ''final'' Indiana Jones movie (simply as the ''4th). You'd think if it was going to be the final movie that it would be marketed as such, something like "The Last Chance to See Everyone's Favorite Archaeologist" or something.
I also don't recall Spielberg or Lucas ever saying it was the final movie either. And given that recently Ford said he'd do a fifth Indy in a "New York Minute" so long it as it doesn't take 20 years, I can see it happening. If Harrison can pull off Indy at age 65, why not at age 67or 68? Wasn't John Wayne still starring in action flicks well into his 70s? So was Connery (League of Extroadinary Gentlemen). With today's technology, it certainly is possible. It's not like he'd really be physically going off on an adventure, it's a movie.
Especially if it each movie was set with KoTCS set in '57, the next movie set in '58 and the last maybe set in '59 (if they went so far as a new trilogy) that would keep the series in the realm of the '50s and not expand it in the '60s (which I don't think would fit with IJ), Indy's age would still be reasonable, he'd hit the 60 mark in the last movie and call it quits.

Shia's role--if he is good and proves popular--could expand in the 2nd and 3rd movies and maybe from then on he could take the series into the '60s as the lead. But it would be a slow transition over the 3 movies. That's thinking into the future, but it'd be awesome to have at least one more Indy after this one, especially if this turns out to be good. And if this Mutt character turns out to be interesting, it could be a good way to keep this series alive for generations to come.

theres alot of these threads i think

so someones gonna complain not me idc

Yeah, and anyway this really belongs in the Indiana Jones 5 forum.








:p ;)

Yes, surely Lucas' people would have used the phrase...

"See Indy...One....LAST.....TIME!!!!"

Speaking of which, shoudl one be set up?? I know it's premature, but we could speculate there after seeing 4, as to where 5 could go?

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I'd prefer -- and I expect it will be -- a movie that stands on its own and doesn't prep a fifth. Especially if, as I read on Dark Horizons recently, very early buzz on KOTCS is "to keep your expectations in check."

all 3 indy fans stood on their own.

If 5 happens, it will be a new story.

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I can feel it in my bones - there will be an Indy 5.

From what we've heard from The Beards on the matter, it seems apparent that they want to see how "4" does before they consider a "5".

Way to stay positive. :up:

I think it is the last. Remember when principal photography wrapped and they were saying how they didn't want it to end? Plus that ultimate guide book "from Raiders to Kingdom", "all" 4 films it says something like.

I really feel that this is possible. The character is really unique, and Ford falls into that category too somewhat. IMO he is one of the last one that has that gritty look that really meshes with the character he plays. Like the OP said, no one really complained about John Wayne in the westerns when he was older, but I think this has to do with the actor and the parts he will play equally.

Honestly, I think its enough with 4 movies, cuz simply it starts losing quality tbh. :hat:

It will be good to see Indy on the frozen continent!

Imagine this though:

Indiana Jones and the Secrets of Shangri-La
Maguffin: Shangri-La
Setting: June 1958; US, London; Hong Kong; Kunlun Mountains


Indiana Jones and the Lost Garden of Life (or just "Indiana Jones and the Lost Garden")
Maguffin: Tree of Life
Setting: September 1959; US, Egypt; Africa,
Marion has become ill, and is near death.
The Soviets (or perhaps Religious Zealouts) are searching for the Tree of Life, which is said to bear fruit which holds infinite knolwedges within it and is able to ressurrect anyone from death and heal those who are sick. If the enemy is the Soviets, their reason would be to dominate the world; if it's religious zealouts, their reason to find it would be to use it's powers to wipe every other religion from the face of the earth. Perhaps both parties could play a role as the villains, with the primary antagonists being the Soviets with the Religious Zealouts showing up later.
Indy is contacted by his buddies in the C.I.A to stop the enemy in their tracks; He at first declines but when he learns that Marion is terribly ill, he decides to help the government for the last time as it may be the only thing that can save her from death. Since this quest is a quest which reaches back to the very beginnings of humanity, we could see the beginnings of Indy (A flashback to 1926, which shows Indy's meeting with Abner, his romance with Marion, the downfall of his and Abner's friendship and his first mercenary treasure hunt).
While in the Garden or on the way, Indy is haunted by visions of the past, friends, enemies and lovers long gone, both naturally and because of him (Perhaps the spirits of Molly, Belloq, and others would haunt him in some way or the memories of their deaths would; or the memories of WWI)
It would truly be a haunting quest, beautiful and at the same time sorrowful, while still retaining the adventurous tone of an Indy film.
That could end the saga, with the greatest artifact Indy's ever searched for. The series would then come full circle (it started with Indy searching a Christian artifact; it will end with the greatest mystery of Christianity.
The series would then have 6 movies; 3 set in the '30s, and three set in the '50s or it could last for one more movie:

Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth (or Indiana Jones and the Mysteries Within)
Maguffin: Fountain of Youth;
Setting: May 1961

Indy, beginning to feel time catching up with him, goes on a quest for the Fountain of Youth, in order to restore himself to a younger age. At the end, however, he finds the Fountain but decides not to drink from it, as he realizes that all his life has been spent searching the world for objects to fit others' agendas and that it is truly time to settle down, and let time and nature take it's course. This would still be in an era of innocence (Camelot, the Kennedy era etc), before the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy's assasination and before Vietnam truly affected America; an era of glamour similar to the '30s in spirit but different in style, when the torch passed from men of Indy's generation to a new generation of Americans, born in the 20th century. Becoming an ''artifact'' himself, something anachronistic to the time period, if you will, would perhaps be what drives Indy on this last quest (similar to the 1976 movie Robin and Marion ; Robin again angers the Sherrif of Nottingham in order to feel young again; Indy would go on a quest to regain his youth.)
That would end the saga.

Personally i wouldnt like the idea of an IJ5. Depends on the outcome of KotCS i guess, but for me? it's far too early to even think about IJ5 or even speculate about it.

I suppose it is too early to guess, but I don't know what more they can do with the series after this. If there is good chemistry between Indy and Mutt a fifth movie might work. If Mutt is Indy's son I don't see how they could remove him from a sequel.

EDIT: My biggest concern would be coming up with a good story in such a short period of time. They would have to get started on a fifth script immediately. I wouldn't want them to rush things and end up with a bad movie.

Yup, i agree. Eversince 89' they tried and tried again until they all agreed upon a script. If they do decide to make a 5th, they'll probably ask themselves - "What could top the Crystal Skull?" and they'll probably spend another 19 years figuring it out! or they could rush it and ruin it, so personally i think Indy 5 would be a bad move.

i dont think that they could get the band back together for another one.

i mean spielberg is off for the next few years doing others movies and then HF is like 70 and that is pretty old, even for him ;)

maybe we can get George Lucas to direct Indy 5? What is the worst that could happen?






----bad Blue jay, really really bad Blue Jay

Well, if the spoilers about KINGDOM are accurate (and I believe them to be), I think KINGDOM's a pretty good place for the franchise to stop.

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that they could come up with a decent enough story in time to crank it out in the next 2-4 years. It's definitely going to be hard to come up with yet another artifact that's unique enough to stand out from the rest by powerful enough to motivate a whole new adventure.

Try 1996.
That's a relief. The last thing we need now are Indy 5 spoilers... :)

Garden of Eden? Shangri-La? Noah's Ark?

Unlikely. It'd have to be an artifact that can be carried/taken away/whatever else.


-G

Personally, I'd love to speculate on an Indy 5. Raiders112390 has the spirit. He knows what's possible. How many good ideas are there left out there to use for another movie? HEAPS!!! We should have a thread devoted to story ideas for an Indy 5 and forward it to Lucas. Who knows, he might like something so much that he credits the originator of the idea.

He's a fine director, writing is why TPM & (mainly) AOTC sucked. If they're waiting to see how this does, well they should just go ahead & start production already. :up:

I wouldn't mind Fountain of Youth as the last McGuffin. Indy, Mutt, Dad & Marion should be the team.

I really think this is probably the last. It took Lucas forever to come up with another good idea for a film and then it took over a decade to make that actually happen. Ford is already 65 and by the time another gets made he'd probably be 67 or so. Not saying that would really make much of a difference, but it might.

PLUS. We've explored most aspects of his character by now. The only thing left really is to see how his age has affected him. On knowledge/wisdom, maturity, physicality, financially and possibly even in love. I don't know if it's been confirmed or not since I've been staying away lately... but if Mutt is indeed his son that's just another aspect of his character we'd explore that would be exhausted after KOTCS.

Another thing, the year in this film is 1957, and it is likely a future film would be set in or around the same time-frame and wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) center around Russians again.

Finally, I think they'd be out of good ideas for stuff like the "phobia" stuff and such. Like the snakes, rats, bugs, etc.

And you know what. I really really don't want to see the Adventures of Mutt. I like Shia, but this is not his series. I don't care about him. Even if I like his character I don't want to see movies about him adventuring. I only care about Dr. Indiana Jones thank you very much. His name is in the title, this is his adventures and his stories. So I don't really want or care to see the franchise carry on in spin-off sequels.

There is an expression that goes, I think, "One more brush stroke would ruin the painting." Sometimes, things are good as they are. You think you need more but more would be overkill.

Also, "All good things must come to an end." Everything. Life itself does not last forever, neither does the Indiana Jones series.

ALLLLLlllllll that being said. Doesn't mean I don't kind of want to see another. But I haven't even seen this one yet!? If they could come up with something worth seeing, TRULY worth seeing, I'd probably still go see it.

Yeah, Lucas might like the idea and use it, but don't expect him to say "a fan came up with it and his/her name is_____." From his comments about "fan expectations" for KOTCS, I think it's safe to say that though fans have (and continue to) funded his empire Lucas seems to have a disdain for them (us).

If there's an Indy 4 my friends...the beards have already talked about 5. INDY 5!

Like I said the Stones were a real drop from the Ark, but TOD was pretty good. So maybe use some of the lesser Bible artifacts.

They should do Atlantis... for God's sake, ATLANTIS!! You know... Orichalcum... Nur-Ab-Sal... Sophia Hapgood!

It would have been great fifteen years ago. Now it's too late.

Yeah it really is. Ford isn't getting any younger. He's 65 in real life and plays 55 in Indy IV. He's not going to still be able to play a mid-50s character when he's pushing 70. Let's face it, they may be able to get away with it now as Ford is playing 50-something, but in a handful of years no one besides the major fans would pay to see a 70 year old globe trotting for artifacts.

The only way I'd really predict another doing great(if Indy IV does) is if the main three are up for it and they begin shooting Indy V later this year or the next. And that won't happen because Spielberg is booked up for several films already.

I love Indy, the original trilogy is perfect and the series was great while it lasted. Indy IV is like a special treat just for the fans, for old time's sake. No need to wear Indy's welcome out.

Vendetta08, that was well said, even though I don't want to think like that. I'm a positivist and an idealist and I'd like to think that Indy 5 could be done well if they come up with a good story and that would seem easy enough to do. I don't know how it took 19 years to come up with another story or good enough script. That doesn't sound feasible so there must have been other factors. Hollywood sounds like a fickle place and I know fear of risk is a major theme in the minds of the Hollywood bigwigs. But Indy 5 would have to be a winner if the same team were working on it.

Reply to Raiders112390
 

Raiders112390, I think when Harrison said he would do Indy in a New York Minute, that was like 5 or 10 years ago and Indy 4 was still in development hell. It's on youtube, go check it out. He was being interviewed by that Barbara Walters chick.
As for your ideas for a 5,6, and yes even a 7 - never gonna happen! Besides the fact that your own story ideas are pretty lame (I don't mean to br rude), obvious, and not something Speilberg would touch with an elongated Staff of Ra; Speilberg and Ford are pretty much booked up for the next number of years with other projects. By the time they got around to figuring out a way to do another one, it really would be Indiana Bones and the zimmerframe of alluminum carbonate!
Look, I don't wish to rain on your parade, because I have no right to do so, nor do I have any more knowledge than anyone else, but perhaps we should be thankful for this (most probably final) Indy movie and enjoy the moment. I saw Raiders first time round in the movie theatre and I have watched it a gazillion times on vhs and now DVD ( I drive my girlfriend crazy when I mouth every line of Raiders while we watch it). I have done the same with the others too and will no doubt enjoy KOTCS on blu-ray one day. It never has to end becaue... we can watch it whenever we want. The law of diminishing returns applies to everything, including Indy. Lets hope KOTCS is great (and I think it will be) and then freeze Indy in a seal of quality for future generations to enjoy. Do we really want to keep going and turn this wonderful group of films into James Bond (21 and counting) Sure Casino Royale was kick ass, but we had to endure Moonraker, View to a Kill, Tomorrow Never dies before we got there... need I go on? So I say, thanks Harry, Steve, Georgie. Thanks for the most amazing movies I have ever seen and lets quit while we're all ahead.

I agree, dont push your luck, if this works out then great but do we really need a 5? I'd rather have Ford commit to a few seaons voice overs for an animated series.

Moonraker, Octo***** and A View To A Kill are all pretty great movies. So, yeah, I wouldn't mind more Indy.

Casino Royale stunk due to the awful Daniel Craig!

Each to his own, I guess.

Moonraker... good movie? Have you been drinking from the false grail or something? Ok, ok, it's your opinion and I can't argue with that. I was trying to illustrate the point that we don't want to mess with something for too long and eventually turn out a dud.

But really, Moonraker? Even the guys who made it were ashamed of it and tried to reboot the franchise with For Your Eyes Only. Ok, ok, I know, it's your opinion. But stay away from the false grail man, it'll kill ya!

Moonraker earned a friggin' ton of money. The public voted with their asses on seats. Casino Royale is so far up it's own backside! Tongue in cheek adventure is what we seek, I tell ya! Those Moore Bond films, especially Moonraker are very Indy-esque in attitude, even down to the Amazon setting.

A lot can say this and that... there can even be big bold words in a TV spot that says "Indy's Last Adventure" and it still mean bubcus!

Before SW Revenge of the Sith came out, in the very last TV spot (i believe) they said something like... the very last StarWars installment. Now they're working on an animated film... what... 3 years later? :p

Not to mention the live action TV series they've confirmed to start working on here soon... and then the animated TV series... and rumor has it they may even do a live-action film based inbetween III and IV...

Just because someone says "it's over" don't mean it's over... That's the way things work in the movie business... people regret saying things ALL the time... after Batman Begins Christopher Nolan said he wasn't gonna make a sequel... just leave it hanging... but here we are with The Dark Knight...

I like the "pagan" artifacts from long gone civilizations... but it seems to me that it was the Bible artifacts that did the best... the Ark... the grail...

What if they did something in the future along the lines of... Moses' staff... The Sword of David... The Ten Commandments... or whatever...

And as for Harrison... all he needs to do is keep in shape... and exercise...

Spielberg is booked for the rest of this year with The Trial of the Chicago 7... as well as 2009 with Tintin, Lincoln (which I will definatly see) and Interstellar...

I say at the very beginning of 2010 they begin shooting for Indiana Jones V... Harrison will be 67... Not too much older than 65... Do one final movie with Harrison as the main character... this time hunting a Biblical artifact... like... the Ark! (Noah's... :p )... Set up Mutt's own future adventures and him taking the mantle of his father... maybe have Indy give Mutt his hat as a gift before retiring.

Indiana Jones VI (or rather "Mutt Jones") is about Mutt Jones' adventures... at the very beginning of the film he still dresses in a motorcycle jacket and regular shirt and pants (but he does where the fedora)... Mutt goes on some great adventure taking his dad (Indy being the 2nd Main Character) along with him (Last Crusade type thing). By the middle of the film Mutt has accepted the entire outfit... have Mutt borrow his dad's whip during the adventure. With Mutt's Adventures it's a good opportunity to introduce some new, young, leading lovers (which Indy IV lacks, and Indy V will probably lack). May I recommend Natalie Portman?

Have Mutt's adventure be based around King Arthur's Sword or something...

Please, sit down my friend before you fall down. Not only have you been drinking from the false grail, but it seems you have also been banging you head against the Shankara Stones. You're going to damage your crystal skull if you're not careful.

Where to begin... ok, I know, you began with money, so shall I. Casino Royale (not my fav by a long shot - I was born a Connery guy and I'll die a Connery guy - he is Indy's Dad after all) is the highest grossing bond for years.

The pubic went in droves and voted with their asses to see The Phantom Menace too. Doesn't mean it was any good.
Moonraker has about as much in common with Indy as German skin flicks have with the Sponge Bob Square Pants. It is universally acknowledged (well almost) as one of the worst Bond movies of all time, even by the guys who made it. You can't get worse press than that.

Anyway, this thread is about Indy 5 and methinks we run the risk of annoying the mods if we continue with Bond.

So, you're telling me that everyone views The Phantom Menace as a poor film? Delusional person you are, sir. It's all preference.
Moonraker not like Indy? Wrong. As I said before, tongue in cheek adventure.
Perhaps you have been watching different Indy movies? Movies in which Indy ponces around in a humourless manner.

Sort yourself out, newbie boy.

(By the way, it's Sankara stones.)

Reparte worthy of the monkey who eats the bad dates. Not exactly rapier-shape wit you're displaying there Gruber. After I went to the trouble of throwing in some Indy referencesis and this is the best you can do. And what's with the newbie boy. If newbie means having seen Raiders when I was 7 first time round in 1980, then newbie I am so. And please explain why you believe I perfer Indy to be a hunourless pounce? Have I been suggesting that these would be better movies if Ingmar Bergman directed them? I don't think so. Hmmmn, let me go back and read my previous posts just in case... nope... still no...ah ha, eh, oh sorry, still no! I think you ran out of anything intelligent to say and so tried to be funny. Unfortunately methinks humour is not exactly your forte - which is ironic considering your humourless comment. Perhaps you should retreat to your Roger Moore fantasy land were British Secret Agents fight bad guys in space. You know, just like Austin Powers. Honestly, I don't mind a good parry and thrust, but you have to have a better comeback than this poorly conceived reply. Otherwise whats the point. Perhaps, you simply don't have the chops?
Not to worry, OLD BOY!
Sort yourself out? LOL...SORTED!

Shia just isn't Harrison Ford, he doesn't have the same charm. Mutt just isn't Indiana Jones and I have no intent to pay to see a movie that begins with "Mutt Jones and the (insert title here)." Carrying the series off with Mutt would be a sad cheap attempt by Lucas to keep the franchise dough rolling through a tired spin-off.

Lucas will be having enough fun with his Star Wars tv shows. And with that said, I'd love an Indiana Jones cartoon series that takes place in the 40s far more than a lame tired spin off with Mutt Jones.

NO! Just to the Mutt stuff, that is. The day Indy gives his hat to Mutt is the day I kill Shia Lebouf.

You're going to make a lot of friends here. I've seen this newbie cocksure/aggresive attitude many times. You need to learn that there are other people with differing views and preferences to your own. How old are you? You present yourself as a teen. Quit the juvenile bravado.
You're not worth my time. ;)

Spielberg could of has Lincoln released last year if he really wanted to. I think they should end at 5. Then have an animated series, switching back from the 30's/40's/50's.

A teen? Juvenile bravado? Aw please, this is too precious. Maybe the only friends you have are here, online? Bless your James Bond themed cotton socks. You have failed to explain the newbie thing. Failed to engage me in anything resembling a contest of opinions (which by the by, I am compeltely open to and if you read my posts you will realise that I was only expressing mine as you yours). Of course there are differing views. That was a FORUM is for. Am I not taking full advantage of that? That's a tough one so take all the time you need.
And now you have resorted to calling me a newbie and a teen with juvenile bravado. Oh this is just delicious! Ironic that you have just described some of Indy's most endearing traits (thank you very much for attributing them to me, I am flattered) which make his character and thus by extension the films light, funny (seriously look it up) and happy go lucky - just like you like them. But really, I didn't know that new(bie) people (I joined in Jan 08 having read this site for years) must pay homage to Old Man Gruber. I can just picture you now, sitting there on your porch shouting at the juvenile newbie's to stay off the grass. At least until they've paid their dues by agreeing with Herr Gruber.
Ok, listen, you signed off by saying that I'm not worth your time. Fine with me Old Man. But I was willing to duke it out (opinion-wise). You can cut and run. As for me, well, I'm a happy go lucky 35 year old who is proud not to have lost his youthful exuberance completely. Thank you for that gift. Sorted.

There is nothing to 'Duke out' as you call it. I have stated my preferences and you have stated yours. However, you insist on a 'Chip on the shoulder' manner. Do you have an inferiority complex, is that it?

And we're back...
If there's nothing to "duke out" as I call it (wow, did I invent that expression - I'm pretty sure it's out there awhile), then how is it we have differing opinions which we've been toing and froing on for the last hour. I'm happy to discuss the merits of mine versus yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays (isn't today Sunday?).
Then you keep throwing in these handy little non-sequiturs (newbie/juvenile/ and the lastest one - do you have an inferiority complex?). Random or what? I'll have you know that I have a chip on both shoulders. It keeps me perfectly balanced.
Look, am I correct in saying that yo want an Indy 5 etc? If so, my opinion is that it probably won't happen and would be a bad idea. Either construct an argument and debate (being humourous is optional but preferred) or don't. But if you are going to reply ( and I hope you do cause I'm not even warm yet) really put some thought into it. Because you may not think I am worth your time, b ut it is becoming painfully obvious that you are not up to the challenge poor Marcus and therefore, not worthy of mine.:gun:

P.S. And please tell me when I graduate from newbie status. Do I get a diploma or anything?

Right, for starters, my initial reply was regarding your Bond comments. I aired my views on Indy 5 long ago. If you seek a good debate, why have you wasted my time having me read incendiary jibes? I sense anger in you, young Skywalker. It's too late to take the 'Let's have a good debate angle.' Re- read your childish, name calling replies. I would never stoop to such levels.

Once there was a newbie,
Hurting like a boy,
Sitting at his keyboard,
trying to annoy,

Mommy never hugged him,
Daddy never tried,
With each and every posting,
His aggression was implied.


Well, usually I wouldn't stoop to such levels.