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TheMutt92 08-05-2011 05:23 PM

I like it... it's different. And not in a bad way. Plus, I have a feeling there may be more to this outfit.

WillKill4Food 08-05-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMutt92
Plus, I have a feeling there may be more to this outfit.

God, I hope so. She looks more like a Special Ops agent than a super-hero/villain. I'm also afraid she's going to be too much of an ally to Batman, given the bike pic; they need to portray her as a morally ambiguous character.

What I'm hoping is that the "mad scientist" character played by Israeli actor Alon Abutbul is actually Hugo Strange. It's unlikely, but the pics that have been leaked (perhaps intentionally) aren't giving me a lot of hope. After Inception, I don't think any Nolan film could live up to the hype of DKR.

Goonie 08-05-2011 06:55 PM

The costume's tight. I'm satisfied. I am talking about Anne's... :up:

Attila the Professor 08-05-2011 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
I don't understand what your view is. I never gave an opinion of the suit. I gave and opinion of Kongisking trying to defend everything about the Dark Knight (even the suit,and how it looks in the daytime).


Implicitly you did. Complaining about kongisking defending the suit implies that you think the suit is silly looking. And, as Montana suggests...

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Originally Posted by Montana Smith
I like the practical military application Bat-suit, too. It has more street cred than some previous designs.


...it's hard to tell what would be better. So, I don't think it's silly, save for the part where there's a grown-man dressing up in an outfit inspired by a bat - a part which is inescapable.

WillKill4Food 08-05-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
What I'm hoping is that the "mad scientist" character played by Israeli actor Alon Abutbul is actually Hugo Strange. It's unlikely, but the pics that have been leaked (perhaps intentionally) aren't giving me a lot of hope. After Inception, I don't think any Nolan film could live up to the hype of DKR.

Also, do any of you know if this was de-bunked?
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Originally Posted by E! Online, back in March
...chatting to E! Online, Oldman dropped a hint about the foe in the next Batman movie. "I think it's a villain from one of the old, old, from way back from the old comics," Oldman said. "It is a Batman villian... It's not going to be the Joker."

So, that's someone other than Bane and other than Catwoman? Oldman wasn't offering more clues, simply adding, "If I told you who the villain was, they'd kill me."

It seems that Christopher Nolan might still have a fair few surprises up his sleeve...


JP Jones 08-05-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
Implicitly you did. Complaining about kongisking defending the suit implies that you think the suit is silly looking.

I don't think it's silly. Don't tell me what I'm thinking, you're not that intellegent, my friend.

WillKill4Food 08-05-2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
You may be right with some things that you defend, but defending the sillyness of the suit? Let it go.

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
Don't tell me what I'm thinking, you're not that intellegent, my friend.

Indeed...

Anyway, there seems to be hardly any room for doubt (I was hoping otherwise) that Cotillard is Talia, now:

Indy Scout 117 08-05-2011 10:18 PM

heres a slideshow of all the women who have played Catwoman. thought it was cool :)

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/ent...twoman#slide=1

featofstrength 08-05-2011 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Goonie
The costume's tight. I'm satisfied. I am talking about Anne's... :up:


That "costume" does look tight, probably movement inhibiting in some ways. Though Im guessing she was somehow already familiar with getting into that Bat-pod riding position.....

Attila the Professor 08-05-2011 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
I don't think it's silly. Don't tell me what I'm thinking, you're not that intellegent, my friend.


So you're nitpicking that somebody is defending something that you yourself have no problem with?

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Originally Posted by featofstrength
That "costume" does look tight, probably movement inhibiting in some ways. Though Im guessing she was somehow already familiar with getting into that Bat-pod riding position.....


Down, tiger.

Montana Smith 08-06-2011 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
God, I hope so. She looks more like a Special Ops agent than a super-hero/villain.


A cat-eared cowl would certainly complete her look, and give her a more unique appearance.

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
I'm also afraid she's going to be too much of an ally to Batman, given the bike pic; they need to portray her as a morally ambiguous character.


Maybe she stole it! I always like Catwoman portrayed as having her own agenda, though she'll find it beneficial to help Batman at times.

QBComics 08-06-2011 12:16 AM

First thought: "This is going to piss a lot of people off."
Second thought: This going to piss off a lot of people off."
Third thought: "It's different, Nolan looking, and obviously not the full thing."

There's no way they'd reveal the full costume this soon.

Rocket Surgeon 08-06-2011 12:26 AM

Why must you task us here?


Isn't: http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=304 more your style?

featofstrength 08-06-2011 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by featofstrength
That "costume" does look tight, probably movement inhibiting in some ways. Though Im guessing she was somehow already familiar with getting into that Bat-pod riding position.....

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
Down, tiger.


What? I was refering to her time spent horseback riding in prep for "Ella Enchanted." You're sick!:p

JP Jones 08-06-2011 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
So you're nitpicking that somebody is defending something that you yourself have no problem with.

Yes.

My post was only pointing out that Kongisking cannot except that the Dark Knight isn't perfect, or that Christopher Nolan isn't a God. That's all I was trying to get across. The suit is irrelevent to what I was saying. It gets me a little mad when you tell me what I think, and believe you are right. (jerk).

Attila the Professor 08-06-2011 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
Yes.

My post was only pointing out that Kongisking cannot except that the Dark Knight isn't perfect, or that Christopher Nolan isn't a God. That's all I was trying to get across. The suit is irrelevent to what I was saying. It gets me a little mad when you tell me what I think, and believe you are right. (jerk).


I wasn't telling you what you thought. I was telling you what it sounds like you thought. There is no way of ever telling the first. The second there's plenty of room to judge.

At any rate, this is a subject best dropped now.

But I dunno, if you're looking for things that kongisking ought to criticize about the movies, I'd go for the obnoxiously blaring score, or the often incoherent action filming, or Nolan's general inability to have fun while also attempting to say something.

featofstrength 08-06-2011 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
Christopher Nolan isn't a God.

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
if you're looking for things that kongisking ought to criticize about the movies, I'd go for the obnoxiously blaring score, or the often incoherent action filming, or Nolan's general inability to have fun while also attempting to say something.

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Chris Nolan will be tomorrow's Shyamalan, or at least tomorrow's Tim Burton soon enough. One can only wonder what movie poster will cover the spot on the dorm room wall where Joe College once proudly displayed his Inception one-sheet.

Dr.Sartorius 08-06-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Scout 117
heres a slideshow of all the women who have played Catwoman. thought it was cool :)

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/ent...twoman#slide=1


From foxnews.com

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Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman in the 1989's "Batman."


These major 'news' websites almost always have stupid errors like this. :rolleyes:

Montana Smith 08-06-2011 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
Nolan's general inability to have fun while also attempting to say something.


This is true of Inception. Nolan took his subject matter so seriously, yet failed to make the premise convincing. A Post-Inception Batman is in danger of doing the same.

JP Jones 08-07-2011 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana Smith
This is true of Inception. Nolan took his subject matter so seriously, yet failed to make the premise convincing. A Post-Inception Batman is in danger of doing the same.

I'm worried about a post-Inception Batman as well, only because nothing Nolan has done, especially with the Batman franchise, has been perfect. With that said, no one has ever criticized anything he's done. I think Inception could've done much better with a more dream-like feel. Does Nolan feel every movie, needs to take place in realistic, boring locales? Frankly, Inception needed a director who could take the audience somewhere besides the "American City" or "Miscellaneous mountain".

My point here is, if we want Christopher Nolan to get better as a director we can't just praise everything he does. While I like most of what he's made, there's room for improvement, and we need to point it out.

Montana Smith 08-07-2011 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
I'm worried about a post-Inception Batman as well, only because nothing Nolan has done, especially with the Batman franchise, has been perfect. With that said, no one has ever criticized anything he's done. I think Inception could've done much better with a more dream-like feel. Does Nolan feel every movie, needs to take place in realistic, boring locales? Frankly, Inception needed a director who could take the audience somewhere besides the "American City" or "Miscellaneous mountain".

My point here is, if we want Christopher Nolan to get better as a director we can't just praise everything he does. While I like most of what he's made, there's room for improvement, and we need to point it out.


There's always room for improvement. What I liked about his take on Batman was his exposing of the mechanics behind the myth. It was in a tradition now accompanied by movies like Watchmen and Kick-Ass, or comics like The Ultimates. Nolan was literally recreating the myth of the Batman in a world we could recognize.

With Inception Nolan missed out the mechanics and went straight for myth, requiring a big "leap of faith" on behalf of the audience.

Somewhere in the middle is the perfect balance: a Batman who is mysterious, with abilities verging on the supernatural, yet based in the mechanics of a human world.

JP Jones 08-07-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana Smith
There's always room for improvement. What I liked about his take on Batman was his exposing of the mechanics behind the myth. It was in a tradition now accompanied by movies like Watchmen and Kick-Ass, or comics like The Ultimates. Nolan was literally recreating the myth of the Batman in a world we could recognize.

With Inception Nolan missed out the mechanics and went straight for myth, requiring a big "leap of faith" on behalf of the audience.

Somewhere in the middle is the perfect balance: a Batman who is mysterious, with abilities verging on the supernatural, yet based in the mechanics of a human world.

BINGO! :) :)

roundshort 08-07-2011 11:00 AM

Now I have to see this movie. With Bill Cowher and 12 Steelers aging football players at Heniz Field.... Well something will be good! Go Steelers!

featofstrength 08-07-2011 11:40 AM

y'know...as much as I hate "reboot" and what it means to most movies, I won't fight it when the next Batman rolls in and we can forget all this silliness. Just a few years more...

Attila the Professor 08-07-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by featofstrength
y'know...as much as I hate "reboot" and what it means to most movies, I won't fight it when the next Batman rolls in and we can forget all this silliness. Just a few years more...


See, here you lose me. I think the Batman series is very engaging. It's just white elephant art - too self-serious along with the good.

The Man 08-07-2011 12:57 PM

Banes speaks...AND SOMEBODY SITS ON THEIR CHIPS! EPIC!


WillKill4Food 08-07-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Man
Banes speaks...

He sounds like a goofy old man, not even really creepy, just odd. (I mean, the Joker is supposed to be goofy, but Bane?) My hopes for this movie have plummeted. Surely that's not the actual voice that will be used in the film.

The Man 08-07-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
He sounds like a goofy old man, not even really creepy, just odd. (I mean, the Joker is supposed to be goofy, but Bane?) My hopes for this movie have plummeted. Surely that's not the actual voice that will be used in the film.


I agree. Sounds like a parody of evil.

featofstrength 08-07-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
I think the Batman series is very engaging. It's just white elephant art - too self-serious along with the good.


I agree with that. I like the Nolan films, but not so much that im going to place them on that towering pedestal above all other Bat-media as many do. I just wish those that do could relax and also find the same enjoyment in something like Batman:Brave and the Bold.

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
He sounds like a goofy old man, not even really creepy, just odd. (I mean, the Joker is supposed to be goofy, but Bane?) My hopes for this movie have plummeted. Surely that's not the actual voice that will be used in the film.


Didja hear? Im working with Chris Nolan again! Just a few lines here and there and I have to wear a mask, but, hey, it pays well!

TheMutt92 08-07-2011 08:18 PM

It's interesting to see how a ton of people here and elsewhere on the internet have appeared to "jump ship" in just the past week: first Bane's appearance, than Catwoman's, now Bane's voice. I mean c'mon, at least give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Most of the material is spy footage and we have no idea at what stage these all take place at in the story. Plus, they still have a year to change things if need be.

Indy Scout 117 08-07-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMutt92
It's interesting to see how a ton of people here and elsewhere on the internet have appeared to "jump ship" in just the past week: first Bane's appearance, than Catwoman's, now Bane's voice. I mean c'mon, at least give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Most of the material is spy footage and we have no idea at what stage these all take place at in the story. Plus, they still have a year to change things if need be.

i totally agree. i mean its Chris Nolan's Batman for goodness sake. how could it be terrible?? dont give up yet. or at all, for that fact. :up:

Joe Brody 08-07-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMutt92
It's interesting to see how a ton of people here and elsewhere on the internet have appeared to "jump ship" in just the past week: first Bane's appearance, than Catwoman's, now Bane's voice. I mean c'mon, at least give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Most of the material is spy footage and we have no idea at what stage these all take place at in the story. Plus, they still have a year to change things if need be.


You raise a good point. Go back to the Dark Knight and most fans were initially averse to the Heath Ledger casting choice and did not like what they were seeing in early images. I don't think the tide of public sentiment started to turn until the Joker guerilla marketing came out.

This latest scene at Heinz Field, however, has made me a bit of skeptic. The only reason why it's in the film is because on of the producers is a part owner of the Steelers. I don't know much - but I know that too many cooks in the kitchen usually spoils the broth. I've sat quiet through other news like Bane as a character and the casting of Anne Hathaway -- but now I am losing a little confidence.

Attila the Professor 08-07-2011 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMutt92
It's interesting to see how a ton of people here and elsewhere on the internet have appeared to "jump ship" in just the past week: first Bane's appearance, than Catwoman's, now Bane's voice. I mean c'mon, at least give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Most of the material is spy footage and we have no idea at what stage these all take place at in the story. Plus, they still have a year to change things if need be.


That's assuming that all of us commenting have been paying attention to these pieces of information. Some of us aren't.

Montana Smith 08-08-2011 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
That's assuming that all of us commenting have been paying attention to these pieces of information. Some of us aren't.


For myself, seeing tweets of every new behind the scenes photo or piece of gossip defeats the object of the final film itself. The pictures are out of context with the eventual story. It's akin to deconstructing something before it's been constructed.

I'll make my mind up on the movie when I get the chance to pick it up cheap on DVD. ;)

WillKill4Food 08-08-2011 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Montana Smith
For myself, seeing tweets of every new behind the scenes photo or piece of gossip defeats the object of the final film itself.

I definitely agree about that. Given the magic of post-production, perhaps some of us are too harsh, but I think my qualms stem from a fear that Nolan is going to get too sure of himself.

featofstrength 08-08-2011 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Indy Scout 117
i mean its Chris Nolan's Batman for goodness sake. how could it be terrible??



Also...
with this promo image, im starting to think that's all we get for a Catwoman costume.

JP Jones 08-08-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by featofstrength


Also...
with this promo image, im starting to think that's all we get for a Catwoman costume.

What's that on her back? A pullover mask maybe?;)

featofstrength 08-08-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
What's that on her back? A pullover mask maybe?;)

Backpack?

Attila the Professor 08-08-2011 10:27 AM

I mean, it is called a catsuit...

featofstrength 08-08-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
I mean, it is called a catsuit...


Catsuitwoman? Or The Emmapeeler?

WillKill4Food 08-08-2011 02:50 PM

It's starting to seem like I only comment in this thread, but anyway...
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Originally Posted by featofstrength
with this promo image, im starting to think that's all we get for a Catwoman costume.

That doesn't look official, at least not to me, and one of Hathaway's stunt-ladies was seen carrying what looked like a more feline mask.

featofstrength 08-08-2011 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
That doesn't look official, at least not to me.

Guess it is fake...as updated by IGN who put it up initially.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/118/1186306p1.html

Even so, are there still those out there that believe cat ears might show up?

kongisking 08-08-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
Yes.

My post was only pointing out that Kongisking cannot except that the Dark Knight isn't perfect, or that Christopher Nolan isn't a God. That's all I was trying to get across. The suit is irrelevent to what I was saying. It gets me a little mad when you tell me what I think, and believe you are right. (jerk).


Sigh. Calm down, buddy. I don't think anybody meant any offense.

And as for me thinking TDK is flawless...nooooooooooooooooooooot quite. I accept that the film has a rather bloated running time, and that Christian Bale was upstaged by Mr. Ledger, and that the fight scenes aren't nearly as badass as they could be, and that Gotham looks too clean, and that Joker, as awesome as he is, is a total change from his modern comics counterpart, etc...believe me, I see flaws. I just think the majority of the film was so damn fantastic that I tend to ignore the flaws, as in my mind, they aren't significant enough to make the film poor.

And who says Nolan aint a god? For all we know, he could be. Morgan Freeman too, for that matter, as he actually played God Himself once...

As for Bane's voice...too soon to tell if that's final. As it is, though, I must admit, it's not what I expected. But then again, nobody expected Heath Ledger to have scars, and that turned out good, right? So maybe Bane with a tired-sounding voice could work in the end? I'm just being optimistic here. If the film sucks, I will fully eat my words and declare Nolan a hack, like you all want me to...:rolleyes:

JP Jones 08-08-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kongisking
Sigh. Calm down, buddy. I don't think anybody meant any offense.

And as for me thinking TDK is flawless...nooooooooooooooooooooot quite. I accept that the film has a rather bloated running time, and that Christian Bale was upstaged by Mr. Ledger, and that the fight scenes aren't nearly as badass as they could be, and that Gotham looks too clean, and that Joker, as awesome as he is, is a total change from his modern comics counterpart, etc...believe me, I see flaws. I just think the majority of the film was so damn fantastic that I tend to ignore the flaws, as in my mind, they aren't significant enough to make the film poor.

Now who said it was a poor film? I've said many times that I liked it. The thing that bugs me is that you give no room for improvement on anything if all you do is praise, praise, praise, and that's all you (and every other Nolan fanboy) have done for 3 years.

I hope you don't think that you can point out a few things and now be accepted as an unbiased viewer. Even in the above post, you show more blind praise to Chris. I'm sorry if my tone is coming off harsh, because all I'm trying to do is show you that things need some criticism. I want Batman Rises to be great, and "hating" on TDK is how I can suggest improvement. If all anyone talks about is how great the last one was, how do you get improvement? you only get more of the same. See?

WillKill4Food 08-09-2011 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JP Jones
The thing that bugs me is that you give no room for improvement on anything if all you do is praise, praise, praise, and that's all you (and every other Nolan fanboy) have done for 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Kongisking
And as for me thinking TDK is flawless...nooooooooooooooooooooot quite. I accept that the film has a rather bloated running time, and that Christian Bale was upstaged by Mr. Ledger, and that the fight scenes aren't nearly as badass as they could be, and that Gotham looks too clean, and that Joker, as awesome as he is, is a total change from his modern comics counterpart, etc...believe me, I see flaws. I just think the majority of the film was so damn fantastic that I tend to ignore the flaws, as in my mind, they aren't significant enough to make the film poor.

Settled, I hope?
On another note,
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Originally Posted by featofstrength
Even so, are there still those out there that believe cat ears might show up?

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
...one of Hathaway's stunt-ladies was seen carrying what looked like a more feline mask.


JP Jones 08-09-2011 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by WillKill4Food
Settled, I hope?

You obviously didn't read my whole post. "I hope you don't think you can point out a fe things and be accepted as a un-biased viewer.

Attila the Professor 08-09-2011 07:09 AM

Who needs an unbiased viewer anyhow? I'd rather have criticisms from a fan; they mean more, not less. I sure have been more impressed by a lot of the KotCS (and ToD, and LC, and even RotLA) criticism to be had here than in any other places.

JP Jones 08-09-2011 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Attila the Professor
Who needs an unbiased viewer anyhow? I'd rather have criticisms from a fan; they mean more, not less. I sure have been more impressed by a lot of the KotCS (and ToD, and LC, and even RotLA) criticism to be had here than in any other places.

In this case, they aren't fans so much as mindless followers. I don't need the opinion of someone who is all but programed to love Christopher Nolan. You can't just point out a few things and no longer be considered a mindless, biased robot.

The Man 08-09-2011 09:09 AM


featofstrength 08-09-2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Man


"you only see 1/10th of what that suit can do."
That's great, Anne but...cat ears?

Meh.


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