Yes, that is similar to what I just added to your 'Vogel the feminist?' thread:

Vogel is an SS-Standartenfuehrer in the premier SS regiment of its time (1938) - the Liebstandarte Adolf-Hitler. In fact, his rank would place him near the top of the command of the regiment. This would make him a big fish in a small pond, enabling him to wear a custom-coloured uniform (off-white) with custom-coloured aiguillette.

When you say off white you mean a greyish colour right? Because, at first I would agree that it was white, just covered in dust and a smoke stains, but after closely examining the scene when Donovan is negotiating with the President (or whatever he was) of Haiti his uniform, in all different lights, is grey!

I don't know much about Nazi, or any other kind for that matter, uniforms but maybe, just maybe, he wore the different colour because of the considerable heat in Haiti making a black uniform redundant!
Please correct me if I'm wrong!:hat:

You're not wrong, Col...You're right on the money, it's just that no examples of this colour uniform seem to exist which is why one can say that Vogel had it personally made. There are examples in the past of eccentric officers who wore custom outfits (with the most famous probably being Custer, who designed his own duds) so it's entirely plausible.


P.S. It's "Hatay", don't forget. Haiti is in the Caribbean.;)

I would agree with you both. Vogel's uniform is of the palest grey, even paler than the uniform I would associate with the SS-SD (Sicherheitsdienst - SS Security Service). The action figure has the colour a lot lighter, very much a cream colour.

Goering was famous for his custom unforms, too. Powder blue with cardinal's silk socks! Looking at later photographs of him, it's hard to imagine her was once a World War One flying Ace who was awarded the Blue Max. Fat Goering epitiomizes the excess and general lack of intelligence apparent throughout the Nazi Party - men for whom a custom uniform and dapper appearance is everything, just like Vogel.

Col., when you mentioned Haiti I was trying to work out what part of The Last Crusade you were referring to! Voodoo dolls and jungles came to mind! :hat:

Oh thats right... my bad:o !

IMHO I liked the uniform, it felt fitting of the desert setting and brutal showdown!:hat:

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Which other high-up party members demonstrated a lack of intelligence similar to Vogel's?

You can start with Hitler, Goering and Himmler and work your way down. The brains behind the party were men such as Hess and Goebbels.

Many of those in positions of power were put there because they could be controlled, either because they were willing lackeys or because they were being blackmailed. (Himmler made Reinhardt Heyrich protector of Bohemia, knowing that he had documentation to prove that Heydrich had a Jewish ancestor - the perfect blackmail).

Hitler ruled only through chaos - he would set up two offices to do the same job, so that each would spend their time bickering with each other. The more I read about the Third Reich, the more of a bureaucratic nightmare it reveals itself to be. The idea that the Germans were the master of efficiency is a myth, and I don't know how it came about, other than by propaganda.

Hitler came to power by presenting himself as the strong man in a weakened Germany. He surrounded himself with myth and paraphenalia, and men willing to follow him. It is interesting to note that Hitler did not have a personal history of hating the Jews. Their family doctor was Jewish, and when his moher died, Hitler was devastated, but thanked the doctor profusely for doing what he could to save her. Later, he set the Jews up as a common enemy, blaming them for Germany's desperate position, and set about uniting the country through propaganda and fear.

Hitler's vision was that of a madman - to believe he could defeat the Soviet Union, and allow the German nation to spread eastwards. And when being beaten, prevent his armies from retreating. At the end, in the bunker he issued the order to destroy all of Germany, since Germany had failed him. He was surrounded by people who lead him to believe that Germany could win such a war. His early successes (marching into the Ruhr, Austrian Anschluss, taking Czechoslovakia, dividing Poland with Russia) were the results of the weakness of his opposition, rather than the strength of Germany. Britain was weak because it would not listen to Churchill's advice to re-arm, and France had no stomach to fight another war.

The bottom line is that in order to move Germany along this path to destruction, required men who would follow blindly. Those that stood up for reason did not generally get heard for long...

The actor Michael Byrne also plays a leather gloved SS interrogator of the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler in "Rogue Male" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075151/. That character might've served as a prototype for Vogel, though he was not as flamboyantly over the top and clichéd.

Jews were set up as a convenient scapegoat in the Bible, because the New Testament was written during Roman times in Roman territory at the time of a Jewish uprising.

So in order to avoid persecution and gain readers they had to write something that was pro-Roman and anti-Jewish.

It was simply good marketing at the time.... :(

I read a book called Munich Playground written in 1941 by a reporter named Ernest Pope.
Pope was stationed in Nazi Germany until 1939.

He met Herman Göring several times and stated that Göring liked to wear military
medals which he designed himself, and when he wanted to add a new
medal to his uniform, he would put on weight to broaden his chest.

He weighed over 300 lbs when he was taken by the Americans in 1945.

As to costumes, supposedly a Los Angeles company, "Western Costumes",
held enough Nazi uniforms to outfit a division. Given the popularity of Nazis
in films, no doubt the uniforms are in constant use.


:)

Also, his aiguilettes are black, rather than silver.

His uniform certainly isn't white, looks closer to Waffen-SS if you ask me.

Doesn't it look more like an Afrika Korps officer's uniform, or did the Waffen-SS have desert uniforms too?

There was an SS tropical uniform (though the first pattern wasn't introduced until 1943). They were issued to men serving in Italy, the Balkans and southern Russia, and to the small numbers of SS-Einsatzkommando in Tunis.

Tropical uniforms were of the same pattern as the regular field grey uniforms, but made from the light drill material.

An exception would be those made from the same material and pattern as the Italian army "sahariana":




Vogel's tropical tunic is a version of the normal black or white SS-Allgemeine uniform in a different colour, complete with single shoulder board, so is therefore very likely a movie fantasy, best explained as an officer's bespoke item.

This real desert uniform looks disappointing compared to the Standartenführer's fantastic desert version of the real black uniform. I'm glad they introduced this particular historical inaccuracy.

Why do you find it disappointing Von Stalhein?:confused: If Vogel's outfit was stripped of all it's regalia, his would look just as plain.

Besides, as Montana already stated, those images are not showing the regular issued pattern. (For example: The extended hem of the breast pocket flaps that continues across the chest.)

What I emphasized is what I find disappointing.