You can't prove that. Have you done a poll of everyone who has seen the film?

I have and it made water come out of my eyes.

I like Batman. No where near as much as Indiana Jones but I thought TDK was an overblown, pompous, and for large sections, very dull and ultimately disappointing film. And even though TDK is the 3rd weakest of the entire franchise (IMHO)… I don’t lose sleep over it. :D

I think it probably is true, looking at some of the aggregated scores/rating, to say more people actually liked it than didn't. However, it's also probably true to say that most Indiana Jones fans (or those who liked/lived through the originals) were somewhat disappointed with KOTCS and/or believe it to be not as good as the originals.

That fairy sidekick would kick the ass of Indy's new fairy sidekick. :p

ummm....NO..:cool:

I highly doubt that! :p

what about Joker vs Gopher?

Or Fridge vs Harvey Dent?

firstly, i was not a fan of TDK when it first came out. im still not a fan. CSI batman? no thanks. i prefer the comic book style batmans of yesteryear, back when they were fun. in fact, i have since shunned the christopher nolan movies as i personally do not view them as proper batman movies at all. with batman begins, nolan may have "played it safe" with more by the numbers action and stunts, which i actually enjoyed to an extent especially with the finale, but the rest of it along with TDK movie was just a snoozefest and totally uneventful movies. essentially, it was Heat with a cape. very dissapointing. it was nothing but hype and marketing the death of a celebrity. shame on hollywood. plus i didnt find ledgers joker all that great. too realistic joker, no gags or anything. certainly not oscar worthy. jack nicholson, heath ledger is not.

summer of 2008 for me was all about indy. yes i did see TDK but only cuz i remember hearing all this stuff about ledgers performance and wanted to see what all the fuss is about. plus i thought i'd give nolan one more chance to redeem himself after the ultra boring origin crap batman begins. lo and hold, i was once again, dissapointed. TDKR looks to be more of the same, easy pass this timem especially with the casting of that fugly bad actress as catwoman. like nicholson, i just know michelle pfieffer has nothing to worry about. indiana jones 4 however, while not on the level of the original 3 (who expected it to be?) was simply a fun, exciting, good time at the movies. i saw KOTCS 3 times in the theater, i just loved seeing ford back in that hat.

i understand back in 1989 Batman and indy went head to head before and batman still won out, but i attribute that especially to the fact that, aside from Batman being a REALLY awsome movie, and a proper one at that, it was also the very first big budget batman film ever made and was brand new, before it was done to death like it is today. for me, as much as i did love Returns and Forever, nothing has topped the original for me.


as for whether the TDK nerds ruined indy cuz they are a loudmouth bunch, i really dont care. they didnt ruin it for me. every board ive been on shows the hardcore nolan fanboys are extremly hostile narrowminded insulting lot who should be banned from internet use. they state there opinions as fact and consistently trash the older films, which i just cant stand for.




thank God someone agrees with me about this pretentious movie. it truly was boring. :sleep: just a buncha cops talking to each other, and joker.....what a dissapointment! twoface was lame, only in it for 2 seconds. tommy lee jones made twoface a FUNNY, ENTERTAINING villians, for the whole movie. i dont care for the comics so being accurate to the comics 100% doesnt bother me, as long as they can make the characters look cool and be entertaining, thats all i ask. the first 3 original batmans did that for me. everything afterward just failed. suddenly batman became a columbo meets NYPD. a friend of mine after seeing TDK went that was the greatest CSI episode i ever saw!:up:

Actually, I agree with you, pete33. My Batfandom has always been for the comic versions. I'm not a big fan of the "realistic" comic book movie, personally more because it takes away what makes it a comic and a fantasy world in the first place.

That is not to say that I accept super cartoonish unbelievable stunts, but with the right kind of movie magic, done in such a way that I can supend my disbelief so I can forget the laws of physics for long enough to buy it and keep watching. And I don't think it was just Ledger's death that pushed ticket sales for Batman over Indy, I think that the youth in the audience (and it isn't just geeks as I've stated before) are looking for movies that are darker and gritter and TDK was the flavour of the month, regardless of whether it was a Batman movie or not.

I would also factor in the fact that KOTCS had enough years between for quite of few people in the young audiences to have missed Indy in the first place completely. At least, I know that was very much the case in my part of the world. Ask anyone, and if it didn't happen in the last ten years, then they don't know about it. Even ten years would be pushing it. And that was a big part of why the audience before the movie even hit the box office hadn't hit the mark in it's marketing. And in the end, Indy was banking on fandom (on all levels) more than the general movie going audience.

I guess just to be blunt..I dont give a f&*k what people think of Indy,KOTCS or anything else I like..I dont like something just because its popular or the s^&* of the moment OR because of what some snot nosed critics say..never have cared, never will..
INDY beats any dumb batman movie in my books. The ONLY batman movie I liked came out in 89.:hat: ..good day..

Exactly. We all like what we like, and needn't change our opinion to please a louder voice or a perceived majority.

Which is why threads like this are essentially pointless, beyond the pulling of a leg or two.

To paraphrase two opposing points:

firstly, i was not a fan of KOTCS when it first came out. im still not a fan. CGI gophers? no thanks. i prefer the indys of yesteryear, back when they were fun.

BATMAN beats any dumb KOTCS movie in my books. The ONLY indy movies I liked came out in the 80's ..good day...


I rest my case on all counts.

Let's not forget he was "The world's greatest detective".





Almost back on topic here's a snippet of news from the Gotham Gazette:

“Before ascending to the top of the building The Batman inexplicably placed a copy of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull in the alley below…”

Batman is utterly overrated as a character and a franchise. And Nolan's movies are lame.

That would explain the ratings on IMDB!

KOTCS: 6.4/10 (180,338 votes)

BB: 8.3/10 (384,495 votes)

TDK: 8.9/10 (668,797 votes)

You're kidding me, right? You're citing your sources from IMDB?! Where every fanboy can easily vote a good score for any mediocre movie that they happen to like?

Smiffy, you DO realize that yourself (& replic*nt) are SOLIDLY reinforcing the whole point of this thread?:p

Four years later, in 2012, the BatFags STILL CONTINUE to promote hatred toward "Crystal Skull"!:gun:

"overrated" was the key phrase.

Since one of the best movies of 2008, The Reader, managed only 7.6/10 from 84,807 users.


No, this thread is pointless and I promote nothing but the poking of the Raven's corpse.

LOL... :up:

Rather a BatFag than an IndyFag.

Now how do I get out of this nuthouse?

Map

Fire

Knife

Key

...

Aw, come now, Smiffy, that's far too vicious, don't you think? A very cheap shot, if you ask me.


Yikes, Stoo. Calling all Batman fans faggots is a very easy way to make a loooooooooot not listen to you, pal.

Yathink?

Not my words. It was printed in the Gotham Gazette.

If you ask me, I think the reporter got the wrong end of the stick. Bats was just taking a much needed leak when the Bat Signal lit up. The copy of KOTCS that happened to be in the alley was probably just a fluke.


He's a very naughty boy, too. ;)

I think Stoo has some modicum of tongue being embedded in cheek to make the point.

It's hard not to use a bit of tongue in a thread such as this.

Since I'm late to the party remind me again why aren't we allowed to like both?

are we talking suspension of disbelief? Cuz i have just as hard a time swallowing Two-Face's kill-Maroni-and-escape-flipped-car-unscathed bit immediately followed by his death by backwards fall from, what, 25 feet?

Raiders112390, the OP, forbids it.





It's all a matter of opinion.

The worlds of KOTCS and TDK are galaxies apart. Luckily neither of them are likely to cross paths. Raiders Indy, however, does stand a better chance.

I was referring to TheRaiders who said you can't be a Batman and an Indy fan(Monty Quoted it above)

You have a very valid point on the second part though as I tend to want movies to be more realistic the older I get. If I would have grown up with Indy being thrown across the desert in a fridge then it would probably would'nt bother me. Since I saw it as an adult my mind has changed. I thought it was ridiculous. (remeber though, I AM a KOTCS fan. Watched it yesterday actually.) The 1st 3 movies were unrealistic but still on the verge of being realistic. It's hard to explain.

The original trilogy obeyed an internal logic born of conceit.

KOTCS ditched the conceit in exchange for shoe-horning in the cliffhanger to beat them all. Since this was set-up as the final Indy Indy movie, it was therefore their last chance to do something really outrageous.

TDK chose to go in the opposite direction, and to rationalize the world of the Batman.

I think I see what you're getting at; the first 3 (well...more ROTLA and LC) had a sense of escapist unrealism that was inside the bubble of believable reality of which the film established itself in. It gave itself parameters to stay within. TOD and KOTCS did this as well, just a bit more 'out there' in its approach.

And who's to say we shouldn't expect our films to not be completely off it's rocker? Even I had some reservations when I saw KOTCS, kind of like when I saw TOD, actually. But I tried not to have it be reservations regarding standards I didn't inflict upon the other films, as that'd be unfair.

If the OP wants to make a more fair point, I don't think he should blanket TDK Fans; maybe just the jaded filmgoer that gravitates towards that because chances are, the jaded filmgoer is quite possibly antagonistically satirical towards anything not so serious like KOTCS. One thing I've noticed is that people nowadays are either extremely amazed and over-the-top impressed with a film or tearing it down angry and cursing the director. There really isn't any middle ground and I think that says alot about our culture, in a way; that we expect things to be terrible and almost root for it to be so.

People today are a tad like spoiled children who've never created anything of their own and when they hear someone is making something, they sit back with their noses up and say; "Oh really? Well, wow me. This should be hilariously bad!"

Unfortunately at the cost of alot of source material as collateral damage...

Don't get me wrong, I love that series.
:whip:

Batman is always getting reborn and rewritten for each new generation. Nolan's version won't be the final one.

The source material is all over the place now, apart from a few simple facts.

I'm a big fan of the Bat and his many incarnations, but he's a different creature to Indiana Jones. Indy has a stable and defined history. He'll always have been born in 1899, and that's both the charm and the problem with the character. New films demand a new actor, and that's an issue when the present actor is so intertwined with the Indy we grew up with.

I don't think being a fan of one and not the other is really connected. I'm not a big Batman fan in general, since I haven't read much of it or seen many of the movies, but I did like The Dark Knight. I like Indiana Jones a lot better than Batman but I wasn't crazy about KOTCS.

im 40..never have been a big batman fan at all..but have always loved Indy..dont care about this competition between them on here..kind of strange grown adults arguing over such things honestly..:confused:

Kind of strange grown adults are here at all, talking about a man in a hat doing silly things. :p

Some argue, yes. Others discuss. Isn't that what forums are meant for?

Thankfully I'm still in my prime...I think...
:sick:

And I never grew up. :D

@Marshall2288:
Of course you are free to enjoy anything you like...but things would be better if Raven members were into "adventure" stuff/films rather than superhero sh*t.:rolleyes:

@Dr. Jonesy:
Your comments are pretty solid and they bring to light a total role-reversal of cinema in general. "Star Wars" in '77 turned popular, Hollywood cinema on its head, from extreme realism to pure fantasy. These days we are seeing a return to realism (even though, "The Dork Night", still sucks!):sick:

@EVERYBODY:
Many homosexuals feel a connection with superheroes because of the 'secret identity' thing. Are you Batman fans homosexuals?:confused: (No malice intended..Just a question, eh?)

discussion is one thing...arguing about who is better "batman or indy" is just plain funny and in most peoples eyes immature..if you like something good..if not...umm...move on. nothing to discuss.

I'm trying to reverse myself, to be quite frank. I never let myself be a kid when I was one, so I'm hitting 20 years old soon and I'm wondering whether I should be less of a stick in the mud and have some fun instead of be in the library and such. School/work is my prime focus and I've been the same personality wise since I was 11, so I'm wondering whether I've wasted alot of my youth so far.

:confused:

But good on you for keeping a young mind!

You mean it's all Brokebat Mountain?

Slide down the Bat-Pole into the Bat-Cave, baby!
:whip:

Batman and ThRobin!

Oh dear...I think I went too far there...

O_o

You guys are starting to look an awful lot like the rest of the internet with your alternately bizarre and childish treatment of homosexuality here. Move on from it.

You do realize that action-adventure films and superhero films both come from the same source, right? Are you really not familiar with the origins of Detective Comics, Action Comics, and the like? You're taking your hatred of the Batman franchise to a pretty disturbing level here...

Besides, it wasn't an either/or thing. Nobody at the theatre or at Amazon.com is saying "You may only choose one movie this year... so choose wisely".

No, they aren't from the same source!:rolleyes: You do realize that, right?.:whip:
"Disturbing"?:confused: Yes, I'm very aware of the origins but you are, unfortunately, mistaken by my aversion. I NEVER, EVER said that a person had to make a choice between Indy and the Batdork. (The "either/or thing" is for someone else, not me.)

For the record, I like the '60s "Batman" TV series but the overwhelming love here at The Raven for the Dork Knight (and superheroes in general) is disgusting!:sick:

There's room for both(and I see fandom of both equally on these forums). Who says you can't like both?


Someone outside could argue that someone who has overwhelming love for Indiana Jones to the point that he posts on a forum dedicated to it and passionately argues with strangers about it(or complaining some aren't talking about it enough) is "disgusting".

Indeed...

*Looks at post count...495..."Craaaaaap.....":o *

They all emerged from the printed word and developed into film.

Not all 'super-heroes' are super-powered. The only difference between Indy and Zorro, The Spider or The Batman is that he doesn't wear a mask. But he does wear an identifiable uniform which the audience recognizes as 'adventure gear'.

When he's not on adventure he's leading an almost respectable existence as a bespectacled, awkward college professor.